Political Leanings of KMC

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DarthSkywalker0
Very simply prompt. State your party, political ideology, 3 favorite pundits, and name who you would have voted for in the 2016 election.

My answers are Independent, Austro-Paleolibertarian, Tom Woods, Scott Horton, and Bob Murphy. I would have probably voted for Trump.

Surtur
I'll have to think about the pundits, as for the rest, I don't identify with any one party. I have things from both sides I agree with. I would not want to be solely lumped in with either party.

dadudemon
1. I do not have a party (Some Libertarian, Some Green party, Some Independent leanings. I'm a "true centrist" with a very slight lean towards libertarianism).

2. Centrist (US) with a libertarian lean.

3. I don't have any. But I have enjoyed political commentary from Christopher Hitchens, Steven Crowder, Tucker Carlson, Cenk Uygur, Ron Paul, Ben Shapiro, Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, Milo Yiannopoulos, and very lately I took a liking to Donna Brazile.

Patient_Leech
I tend to agree with Surt in that I wouldn't really want to be lumped in with either party.

Originally posted by dadudemon
1. I do not have a party (Some Libertarian, Some Green party, Some Independent leanings. I'm a "true centrist" with a very slight lean towards libertarianism).

This. But if I had to choose it would be sort of left of center, especially on social issues. You know, things that liberals should champion: free speech, women's rights, gay rights, etc..

Tump is an idiot and an insult to our nation.

I like Sam Harris, Bill Maher, and John Oliver.

Adam Grimes
I'm the altrightest guy around here.

jaden101
I use the voteforpolicies website. Typically I match to the Green Party but they don't often stand candidates in my constituency so can only vote for them in proportional representation elections (I'm in the UK)

My favourite political commentators are Noam Chomsky, James O'brien, Jonathan Pie

dadudemon
Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0
Very simply prompt. State your party, political ideology, 3 favorite pundits, and name who you would have voted for in the 2016 election.

My answers are Independent, Austro-Paleolibertarian, Tom Woods, Scott Horton, and Bob Murphy. I would have probably voted for Trump.

So you're a combination of Austrian School of Economics and Paleolibertarianism? Because I've never heard of "Austro-Paleolibertarianism" before.

Archaeopteryx
I am non partisan

I tend to suport open minded political ideologies, (i hate the term liberal and conservative.

Trump is the anti christ

I do not follow political pundits

DarthSkywalker0
Originally posted by dadudemon
So you're a combination of Austrian School of Economics and Paleolibertarianism? Because I've never heard of "Austro-Paleolibertarianism" before.

Well, Rothbard, who is one of the core members of the Austrian School, coined the term Paleolibertarian in the 80s. So to more accurately represent my views. I just combined terms.

shiv
3 favorite pundits

Folk... Regular Folk... Ordinary People

Jonathan Pie

I don't really have time for people giving an opiniion about what someone else has to say - if someone has something to say I want to hear it direct - I want to hear them say it and see them say it I want to see how they say it - and why they're saying it - Were they asked? What was the question - etc - I'm not a big fan of second - third - fourth - fifth - sixth - seventh hand information - I don't really like pundits - I'd rather watch or listen to the full interview - I've seen too many people take 1 thing out of a 12 minute press event - highlight half a line in a 300 page book (someone's told them to) and pretend to have conversations with authors - when they clearly have no idea what they're talking about - If theres anything worth knowing about I'd rather the studio cameras cut to the source so viewers can hear it straight from the source

Political Ideology

Green

Name who you would have voted for in the 2016 election

Stein

Emperordmb
Party: Independent **** the Democrats and **** the Republicans

Political ideology: Classical liberalism- individualist (**** identity politics and identitarian movements), economically right-wing (used to be economically left wing, but I could no longer square compelled wealth redistribution with my principles), free-speech absolutist (**** hate speech laws), interest in defending life liberty and property, pro-life (life of mother>life of fetus>liberty of mother to get an abortion), pro-gun rights, pro-drug legalization (especially weed and psychedelics), pro-free trade, etc.

Political pundits: Ben Shapiro, Sargon of Akkad, Jordan Peterson

Vote in 2016: I voted for Clinton... I regret that after realizing how awful she was. If I could go back in time I wouldn't have voted for either since my vote as a Texan didn't really do anything, and both suck.

Kurk

RHaggis
Party: Independent, I guess. Pretty much all the mainstream parties in the UK are pretty poor and do not align with my political opinions.

Ideology: Libertarian Capitalism or Minarchism. Socially I'm a mixed bag. I'm socially Liberal in the sense that I agree with drug legalisation, allowing same-sex marriages (because the government won't be involved in the institution). However, I can be considered more socially Conservative on such issues as immigration, gun rights, property rights, meritocracy and the preservation of culture and a few traditions. Moreover, I support freedom of speech and religion, am a non-interventionist militarily.
Fiscally, I am very much Conservative and a supporter of the free market. The only restrictions I would consider are perhaps environmental regulation.

Pundits: Thomas Sowell, Tom Woods, Ron Paul and some Ben Shapiro and Sam Harris now and again.
Also plan on looking into Tom Delorenzo too.

Vote in 2016: I'm not an American, though if I was I would have probably voted Trump begrudgingly.

(UK vote in 2017): Since I'm from the UK, might as well chuck this in here. I voted for the Conservatives in the UK election, mainly because of their position on Brexit. However, I do personally regret this (not my support for Brexit, but rather what the Tories have made of it). As of now, I'm not sure who I'd vote for...

Silent Master
I lean more to the left on social issues, but currently can't stand either party.

lazybones
Party: Not officially affiliated with any particular party.Politics here in the UK are a tad depressing at the moment.

Ideology: Probably center left overall, though can certainly vary issue to issue.

Pundits: None in particular

2016 vote: Clinton, obviously. Trump is an utter embarassment with a shallow understanding of policy and the English language skills of a 4th/5th grader (depending on the calculation you use). Clinton could actually utter coherent sentences which showed a deep understanding of policy substance and international affairs. Regardless of her faults, and she had many, she was far and away the better candidate for President.

shiv
I know its not the most fun thing to do but if people kept an interest in who and how representatives are voting in simple every day boring things like building codes, land use, targets and oversight on spending in government departments, tarrifs, etc - you would get to know the real people asking for your votes.

Everything you see on TV or in The News is Edited - The best data you can get on Politicians w.r.t.o Voting Intent is to actually eyeball how they voted on key issues The more you watch this - The more you will see a true image of the representative(s) you're thinking of voting in to the assembly (again) to vote on your behalf.

If someone knows a better way - a way with less margin for error to work out - who - or what - a politician actually is - let me know.

playa1258
I follow my own rules.

BackFire
Party: Dem, so I can vote in the primaries.

Idealogy: In most of the world I'd probably be considered centrist. In America probably pretty far left since I'm in favor of single payer health care and UBI.

Pundits: Dunno, don't really follow any in particular.

2016 vote: Clinton. Wanted Sanders though.

Kurk
Originally posted by shiv
I know its not the most fun thing to do but if people kept an interest in who and how representatives are voting in simple every day boring things like building codes, land use, targets and oversight on spending in government departments, tarrifs, etc - you would get to know the real people asking for your votes.

Everything you see on TV or in The News is Edited - The best data you can get on Politicians w.r.t.o Voting Intent is to actually eyeball how they voted on key issues The more you watch this - The more you will see a true image of the representative(s) you're thinking of voting in to the assembly (again) to vote on your behalf.

If someone knows a better way - a way with less margin for error to work out - who - or what - a politician actually is - let me know. Couldn't agree with you more. A politician's legislative track record speaks for itself. Nothing can supersede it.

NewGuy01
I tend to be libertarian with regards to social issues, center-left with regards to fiscal policy, and liberal with regards to foreign policy. I don't affiliate with any of my country's political parties, nor do I have a particular fondness for any active politicians.

I don't think I can relate well with anyone who would still vote for Trump a year into this trainwreck of a presidency.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You're friends with Ant though. mmm

NewGuy01
Ant's basis for choosing political affiliation has nothing to do with anything that's remotely important, so I'll give him a pass. wink

DarthSkywalker0
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I tend to be libertarian with regards to social issues, center-left with regards to fiscal policy, and liberal with regards to foreign policy. I don't affiliate with any of my country's political parties, nor do I have a particular fondness for any active politicians.

I don't think I can relate well with anyone who would still vote for Trump a year into this trainwreck of a presidency.

Well, Sas, that is a pretty bold proclamation considering your close relations with both Skillz and Ant, but I digress. In regards to Trump, he is by no means the perfect president but in terms of policy, but he far outstrips Hillary. I'll start with the Executive Branch and detail his successes there. Perhaps Trump's greatest success is his slash of potential and current regulatory policy.

Trump slashed the regulation which increased the pool of workers eligible for overtime pay. I view this as a good thing as forcing an employer to give money to a worker is not only immoral but bad for business.

Trump has given oil companies the ability to make foreign deals with the encumberment of the US government. I support this as the actions of Exon Mobile abroad does not fall under the purview of the government.

Trump has made it possible for states to engineer their own welfare unemployment policy. I find this to be a welcome change. The federal government is far too large in scope and scale and top-down allocations of resources tend to be distributed in a clumsy manner. It is also worth noting the number of individuals who are on welfare programs has increased drastically despite the lack of change in poverty.

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Not to mention the amount of spending which is spent on unemployment benefits every year federally. In 2012, this number was about half a trillion.

Trump reversed a law that required special pay laws for women workers. I don't support this as it is not the government's job to dictate how private individuals spend their money.

There are many more of the 800 potential and current regulations Trump has slashed and such vigorousness is in stark contrast to previous presidents.

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I am a strong proponent of free trade and was incredibly discouraged with Trump's rhetoric on the subject during the campaign. Despite such ridiculous rhetoric, the only policy that has materialized has been his departure from the Trans-Pacific Partnership. I support this as I do not think it is the government job to mandate free trade between individuals. It dictates what shall be imported and how much shall be imported. It also mandates what type of transportation must be used throughout this process. There are many caveats which I dislike in the TPP. I do not support top-down controls on free market activity. In regards to tax legislation, Trump does not go far enough but at least he tries. His tax bill is extraordinarily lukewarm sans the corporate cuts. As far as foreign policy goes, Trump's behavior in Afghanistan and Yemen is akin to what Hillary did under Obama. This is not to say Trump is a good president he is far from it. But, when I vote for a president I do it under the pretense that he/she will be better than the opposition. Trump's mediocre presidency surpasses Clinton's disastrous one.

NewGuy01
Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0
Well, Sas, that is a pretty bold proclamation considering your close relations with both Skillz and Ant, but I digress.

Being unable to relate with someone politically is not equivalent to being unable to otherwise have a positive relationship with them, but I digress.

On the topic of relationships, you and I don't have one. Why are you calling me that? ****ing weirdo.



Look, I get that you want to try to defend yourself after reading my post--which was admittedly more provocative than I had intended--but I really wasn't asking for a crash course on why you like Trump, pal.

I'd rather not drag this out, so I'll just get to the point: I don't find your general sentiment that "vigorously slashing regulations is an inherently good thing" particularly moving, even if I do agree with a handful of the things you said. Regardless, I'm not really interested in condemning you for wanting to vote against a shitty candidate like Hillary either; I spoke somewhat thoughtlessly before. You can disregard it, if you'd like.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
^

What a dick

NewGuy01
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DarthSkywalker0
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Being unable to relate with someone politically is not equivalent to being unable to otherwise have a positive relationship with them, but I digress.

On the topic of relationships, you and I don't have one. Why are you calling me that? ****ing weirdo.

I may have misconstrued what you meant. I thought this quote, "I don't think I can relate well with anyone who would still vote for Trump a year into this trainwreck of a presidency", meant that you can't forge a relationship with someone who would support Trump.(You have been talking political my bad.) And LOL to the Sas thing I have just heard you referred to by that name so many times, I just naturally typed it.



Yea my post went on far longer than expected. That's on me. Anyway, this was way more serious then it should have been.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by NewGuy01
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NewGuy01
Originally posted by Emperordmb
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Scribble
My views go all over the place but I'm generally to the left side of things. I don't see the point in taking one ideology as I believe every situation is different and must be approached in its own way. Blanket beliefs are stupid imo and get people nowhere. I vote for Labour (I'm in the UK) because I despise the Tories and Labour are the only party capable of beating them. I'm not on Labour's side on every issue, far from it, but with the absence of a decent Conservative party to consider, Labour is the only choice for me.

Steve Zodiac
Originally posted by Scribble
My views go all over the place but I'm generally to the left side of things. I don't see the point in taking one ideology as I believe every situation is different and must be approached in its own way. Blanket beliefs are stupid imo and get people nowhere. I vote for Labour (I'm in the UK) because I despise the Tories and Labour are the only party capable of beating them. I'm not on Labour's side on every issue, far from it, but with the absence of a decent Conservative party to consider, Labour is the only choice for me. Like Scribble I vote Labour, I am a lifelong Labour voter despite the progressive leanings of the party in the last 25 years, I am a glad Nu Labour has gone and I look forward to a return to the issues that matter and are defined by a trade union-backed Socialist workers party. Jobs, pay, workers rights and the welfare state. Whilst I don't live in the UK anymore and probably never will. The future matters to me.

Kurk
Can we leave the sh!tposting/bashing out of this thread please? Do it somewhere else.

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