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Standard gear for WW and gladiator equipment for Thor. Battle takes place in Sakaar's arena, who wins?

Edit: Thor can go ssj in this fight.

Does Thor get to use his lightning powers?

Sorry, I forgot to add it. Of course he can, it's his standard mode now.

Thor wins.

Then Thor wins. One could make the argument that WW can speed blitz Thor, but if she couldn't speed blitz Luddendorf and Steppenwolf then I doubt she can speed blitz a warrior as skilled as Thor.

Even if she could, Thor's lightning aura automatically attacks opponents around him as seen in his fight along the bridge.

Then he could also strike from a distance with lightning. WW can block them of course but I doubt she could block too many if Thor decides to spam her.

And that's not even taking into account Thor's durabiliy, who took direct thrusts from Hela and Loki and continued fighting without much issue. Heck, he took a direct hit to the face from Hela and only lost an eye.

His lightning does not automatically attack people near him or it would have been tagging Hela constantly. He is not a van de graff generator, he can control his lightning.

Even then, said lightning only has feats of destroying the worst fodder in the MCU to date. Their durability is less than that of an M16.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
His lightning does not automatically attack people near him or it would have been tagging Hela constantly. He is not a van de graff generator, he can control his lightning.

Even then, said lightning only has feats of destroying the worst fodder in the MCU to date. Their durability is less than that of an M16. General Luden with his inferior skill and strength put her one her ass. Any which way you look at it Thor beats the utter shit out of her.

not sure who RagnaThor is, but he does win

Originally posted by TheGrat1
His lightning does not automatically attack people near him or it would have been tagging Hela constantly. He is not a van de graff generator, he can control his lightning.

Even then, said lightning only has feats of destroying the worst fodder in the MCU to date. Their durability is less than that of an M16.

In the bridge fight, his lightning is seen attacking oppoments coming up from behind him. Unless you think Thor has eyes at the back of his head, it seems more logical to assume it simply attacks any opponents nearby, the way lightning is attracted to the nearest conductor.

However, your points are not without merit. It is true that Thor's lightning didn't auto-attack Hela the same way it attacked fodder. Pretty much in the same way WW can easily speed blitz fodder but only fights in regular speed against Luddendorf or Steppenwolf.

So I propose a fair agreement: Either we agree that both Thor amd WW fight each other with the best of their abilities, in which case WW gets her superspeed and Thor gets his auto-lightning, or we debate only based on what they have shown with feats: which means WW only uses regular speed in melee against skilled opponents and Thor can't coat himself in auto-lightning when fighting against skilled opponents.

Which do you prefer?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
not sure who RagnaThor is, but he does win You strike me as a pretty unsure guy so it's okay, my friend.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
You strike me as a pretty unsure guy so it's okay, my friend.

am not your friend

Wonder Woman

Thor stomps.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
am not your friend Tell him, Bruce.

Originally posted by FrothByte
In the bridge fight, his lightning is seen attacking oppoments coming up from behind him. Unless you think Thor has eyes at the back of his head, it seems more logical to assume it simply attacks any opponents nearby, the way lightning is attracted to the nearest conductor.

However, your points are not without merit. It is true that Thor's lightning didn't auto-attack Hela the same way it attacked fodder. Pretty much in the same way WW can easily speed blitz fodder but only fights in regular speed against Luddendorf or Steppenwolf.

So I propose a fair agreement: Either we agree that both Thor amd WW fight each other with the best of their abilities, in which case WW gets her superspeed and Thor gets his auto-lightning, or we debate only based on what they have shown with feats: which means WW only uses regular speed in melee against skilled opponents and Thor can't coat himself in auto-lightning when fighting against skilled opponents.

Which do you prefer?

He did a 360 degree turn early in the fight so he knew enemies were behind him. How he can be accurate with his back turned can be hypothesized at least a couple of different ways.

I never said Thor could not use it. I simply disputed the assumption on this board that the lightning is "automatic" in any way and requires no effort/input from Thor himself. Of course my points have merit, they are based on the films. Why Thor decided not to use it against Hela, when I am convinced he easily could have, is anyone's guess. Maybe he did not think it would work?

Even if it is automatic, it has only killed fodder that can be clubbed into pieces by one swing of an M16. I highly doubt it does anything to someone who can manipulate her own lightning.

With the exception of Luddendorf (who is still pretty quick), every non-fodder opponent Diana has fought has shown high reaction times and beyond human reflexes. I know a lot of people on this board do not understand/accept the concept of implied speed but it is clearly at work in the DCEU. Otherwise I would have to believe Wondy can easily block bullets but allows herself to be tagged by Steppenwolf, that Superman has super speed but will not use it against Doomsday, or that Faora will go all-out against human soldiers that can not hurt her but decided to take it easy on Kal-El.

Some directors, especially Snyder in Man of Steel where he decided to eschew slow motion entirely, want the audience to actually see the detailed fight choreography without having to rely on slow motion. It has helped keep the fights kinetic and visceral. Otherwise every fight between high tiers would be 2 or 3 blurs moving across the screen. It would be a poor viewing experience. It is the same reason I can see Goku throw a punch at Frieza and not think he threw it at regular human speed.

We don't go off implied speed though, we only grant people the speed we actually see them using.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
He did a 360 degree turn early in the fight so he knew enemies were behind him. How he can be accurate with his back turned can be hypothesized at least a couple of different ways.

I never said Thor could not use it. I simply disputed the assumption on this board that the lightning is "automatic" in any way and requires no effort/input from Thor himself. Of course my points have merit, they are based on the films. Why Thor decided not to use it against Hela, when I am convinced he easily could have, is anyone's guess. Maybe he did not think it would work?

Even if it is automatic, it has only killed fodder that can be clubbed into pieces by one swing of an M16. I highly doubt it does anything to someone who can manipulate her own lightning.

With the exception of Luddendorf (who is still pretty quick), every non-fodder opponent Diana has fought has shown high reaction times and beyond human reflexes. I know a lot of people on this board do not understand/accept the concept of implied speed but it is clearly at work in the DCEU. Otherwise I would have to believe Wondy can easily block bullets but allows herself to be tagged by Steppenwolf, that Superman has super speed but will not use it against Doomsday, or that Faora will go all-out against human soldiers that can not hurt her but decided to take it easy on Kal-El.

Some directors, especially Snyder in Man of Steel where he decided to eschew slow motion entirely, want the audience to actually see the detailed fight choreography without having to rely on slow motion. It has helped keep the fights kinetic and visceral. Otherwise every fight between high tiers would be 2 or 3 blurs moving across the screen. It would be a poor viewing experience. It is the same reason I can see Goku throw a punch at Frieza and not think he threw it at regular human speed.

So what if Diana's main opponents have faster than human reflexes? Nearly every superhero in the MCU and DCEU have faster than regular human reflexes.

Still doesn't change the fact that Steppenwolf and Luddendorf are no speedsters yet had no issues tagging WW. Unless you want to claim they're speedsters too? And by extension Aquaman and all the Amazons?

And you keep harping about those M16, guess what, Diana is vulnerable to gunshots too. WW1 rifles to be exact. Guess that means she's every bit as vulnerable to Thor's lightning as those fodder then eh?

Originally posted by FrothByte
So what if Diana's main opponents have faster than human reflexes? Nearly every superhero in the MCU and DCEU have faster than regular human reflexes.

Still doesn't change the fact that Steppenwolf and Luddendorf are no speedsters yet had no issues tagging WW. Unless you want to claim they're speedsters too? And by extension Aquaman and all the Amazons?

And you keep harping about those M16, guess what, Diana is vulnerable to gunshots too. WW1 rifles to be exact. Guess that means she's every bit as vulnerable to Thor's lightning as those fodder then eh?

Steppenwolf casually deflects/catches arrows and supersonic missles. He has plenty of speed. Keeping up with Diana only confirms that.

I do not make such assumptions. Aquaman and the Atlanteans have shown no such speed feats.

I am not talking about the bullets. Skurge literally whacked an undead Asgardian with an M16 like it was a baseball bat. The fodder crumbled into pieces and the frame of the rifle wasn't even warped. Wonder Woman would not fall to pieces from the bullets, let alone being hit with the gun itself.