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did Disney make the right decision for Snoke in Last Jedi?

sounds worse than how apocalypse died in X-men movie, with jean grey turning into phoenix.

in both movies, i would have preferred an epic showdown, a very intense battle scene

at least snoke vs luke and rey and kylo ren combined using every special effect

from how snoke was defeated i'm like

maul it sounds gave qui gon jinn and obi wan a better fight

snoke is supposedly more powerful than vader and sidious

this is almost like maul all over again.

in TPM maul just 1 line then is cut down after a long and invovled fight.

in TFA we get a couple of appearances of snoke then like maul he easily gets cut in half in last jedi




i originally hoped to see a new trilogy based on old republic that devlves into snoke's origins but if he dies like this

I think it's fair to say at this point Serkis was talking out of his ass.

its a good way to deviate from Palpatine but yeah, its certainly a waste to kill him off so abruptly although ill be interested to see how Kylo runs the First Order

The minute Snoke was revealed in TFA I figured...."Great, this is essentially another Emperor 2.0 villain. Rian Johnson cleaned this mess up fairly well.

Lots of people, myself included, knocked TFA for being safe and not taking any risk. This one was ballsy. I can't complain.

Yeah, it's a pretty lazy way to get rid of him. Espeically since he's saying he sees everything going through Kylo Ren's mind. Oh, but except that he's about to kill you.

Really stupid.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Yeah, it's a pretty lazy way to get rid of him. Espeically since he's saying he sees everything going through Kylo Ren's mind. Oh, but except that he's about to kill you.

Really stupid.

at the very least,

have an epic show down between snoke and luke, using dazzling force powers

most amazing light saber sequence, topping everything ever seen before

and then both dying from each other's power. luke sacrificing himself to save kylo and rey

why watch episode 9?

I don't know if we can lay this one at Disney's door. But to my mind they killed him before his usefulness to the plot was done- there feels like a gap there. It did also undercut him as an effective villain (pun possibly intended), which is a shame as they had done a lot to start to build him up.

Snoke..... worst or weakest supreme leader of all time
Weakest dark force user ever......

Was it Rey or Kylo that killed him?

Originally posted by JediRobin23

Weakest dark force user ever......

quite the opposite IMO, which made it worse. i saw him exhibit abilities that palps/vader couldnt even touch. most notably being able to throw someone around from lightyears away and the way he clearly and casually overpowered kylo and rey's abilities. as for his untimely halving, arrogance and overconfidence was always been a characteristic and weakness of the sith. so to me "why didn't snoke sense betrayal" is just as pointless a question to ask as "why didn't palpatine sense vader's betrayal". pointless because the answer could easily be "they got caught up in the moment and became shortsighted". the reason this is bad is because snoke was kinda established as the most powerful darkside user ever (IMHO) and thus the story's yardstick for power. we don't truly find out how powerful luke became until he took on vader and bested him. kylo can never have that moment to prove himself to be the untimate dark-side user because now this trilogy's yardstick is now cut in half. at this point the only way i can see to resolve this is for kylo to overpower and defeat luke.

i do have other complaints which i don't feel like voicing now.






@ush: i wouldnt pop open the champagne just yet, because i'm still not convinced that there will be no 'grey jedi' theme.

exhibit a: "Rey: Light. Darkness. A balance." -seems to imply that balance of the force is indeed a balance between light and dark, as opposed to 'balance' as in 'undisturbed by dark-side forces'.

exhibit b: the way rey is instantly drawn to the dark side, but yet seems to explore it and gain a non-emotional familiarity with it, and later seems to feel zero desire for power when invited to rule. to me it seems to imply that she will find a way to use that side of the force without succumbing to it, which would really negate everything important before TFA.

exhibit c: the asian girl and her sister who wore the obvious yin-yang symbol around her neck. it's not much of arguable evidence, but simply pointing out sybolism which i don't believe will prove to be non-consequential.

all said i give it a 6.5/10 because i thought it was an overall sloppy and chaotic story which would have really benefited from much cutting. i think the ideal version of that film would be well under 2 hours.

I wasn't too worried by that rhetoric. I don't think it was pushing a grey agenda; I took it as seeing the whole as part of one system.

There's much stronger rhetoric the other way- Luke says there was balance for a while after ROTJ, which is after killing off the Sith, which is pretty clear. Luke is sceptical about the Jedi but is effectively shown to be just jaded and explicitly changes his mind by the end of the film (there's a review up on Den of Geek which says that they felt it was going away from the Jedi religion, which seems completely absurd an interpretation to me seeing what Luke said to Ren).

And more broadly than that- although they present a world of some complications (both sides have to buy arms from arms dealers), it's still all fundamentally good vs evil, light vs dark. The ending is us needing the Jedi to champion the light.

What will be weird plotwise there is that I suspect the new trilogy will create a setting (possibly for RJ's new films) which is what we already thought we had after ROTJ- Empire defeated, new Jedi. It's a strange plot cul-de-sac.

(That Den of Geek review also said Rey having no important origin is some sort of freeing up from the Force implying anyone can be that powerful, which is gibberish- she was still born to it and Snoke pretty much explains that her existence is a counter to Ren, which is back to the Skywalkers. I think some reviewers see what they want to)

Still, if IX goes all grey then I am wrong.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I don't think it was pushing a grey agenda;


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oh but we are, earthling

I like it. It's refreshing not just to have another standard top villain for everyone to rally and fight against, one who's just there, being a emperor.


They killed him to subvert expectations and keep the focus on the central characters. Good move.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I like it. It's refreshing not just to have another standard top villain for everyone to rally and fight against, one who's just there, being a emperor.


They killed him to subvert expectations and keep the focus on the central characters. Good move.

but why watch episode 9?

So hard to let go........

OT, particularly.......do or do not, there is no try

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
quite the opposite IMO, which made it worse. i saw him exhibit abilities that palps/vader couldnt even touch. most notably being able to throw someone around from lightyears away and the way he clearly and casually overpowered kylo and rey's abilities.

Originally posted by redpill
but why watch episode 9? To see what the conclusion is to the story's of Rey, Kylo, Finn, Poe, etc.? Like... f*cking what else would it be? You don't need an archetypical THE OLD MAN EMPEROR for every fantasy franchise. We have villains enough in Kylo and Hux.



I love how if it has too many similarities to the previous Star Wars, people hate it. But if you do something different like having the apprentice kill the emperor-master in Act 2, suddenly its TOO different! and people hate it.

yeah but snoke is kinda funny

Originally posted by Beniboybling


you disagree?

I liked Snoke. His char was unfortunately not delved deeper into but he has some interesting facets. The fact that he is below Sidious, Vader and Dooku makes him more interesting imo. Smart of him to stay away from the main Galaxy till the others are dead and he came out on top after all. A shame he was killed that fast but yeah, makes it less ESB like. It would be worse if he survives till EP 9 and gets the ROTJ treatment like Palp.

Exactly. He'll probably get resurrected for a role in a stand-alone film later anyway.

I hope not. We don't know anything about him, he's dead now, he was rather pointless... no need for a separate film.

I really didn't care. I just went to watch this movie to simply witness it. Just another failure.

Hardly. The Sequels are doing what we haven't seen in a Star Wars film since the early 80s: creating real-feeling characters that have the ability to create an emotional connection with the audience. All of the plot, story, settings, effects etc., (good as they are) are of secondary importance. A character-heavy movie needs likeable, real-feeling people to drive it all forward. We're finally getting that out of Star Wars for the first time in over 30 years, yet rabid fanboys with an overly-developed possessive streak think that because it doesn't fit in with the million+ theory/speculation/analyses videos on YouTube that they identify with, that the movie is a personal insult to them.


Holy f*ck, do people suck.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Hardly. The Sequels are doing what we haven't seen in a Star Wars film since the early 80s: creating real-feeling characters that have the ability to create an emotional connection with the audience. All of the plot, story, settings, effects etc., (good as they are) are of secondary importance. A character-heavy movie needs likeable, real-feeling people to drive it all forward. We're finally getting that out of Star Wars for the first time in over 30 years, yet rabid fanboys with an overly-developed possessive streak think that because it doesn't fit in with the million+ theory/speculation/analyses videos on YouTube that they identify with, that the movie is a personal insult to them.


Holy f*ck, do people suck.

which characters do you have in mind?

rey finn poe?

i can easily see and imagine girls liking rey

not sure about the other 2

i think adam driver is a fantastic actor, not sure if i like kylo the way i like vader tho'

Originally posted by redpill
but why watch episode 9?

Rather see episode........

Old republic season 1 episode 1....