he look like us??the beloved???

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eninn

Josh_Alexander

eninn
brother


One principle in the true Gospel true Torah and the Holy Koran

53. Say: "O 'Ibadi (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah, verily Allah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Surah Az-Zumar

Go directly to the Creator
He asked for forgiveness and remorse and not to return to sin again

There is no intermediary to reveal his mistakes

And take an instrument for forgiveness from the church

This is a particular delusion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezwN29eCUUc

The most important thing is the Ten Commandments, which will lead you to Islam easily

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Ahmed deedat أحمد ديدات يزعزع معتقد النصارى
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppRdp4kFZPQ


قس يتحدي ديدات -اثبت ان المسيح لم يصلب و سأعلن إسلامي
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNAWdTvcOr4


احمد ديدات_ اتحدى قداسة البابا و جميع القساوسة و الخاحامات
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pEF8h49r7s

اين ذكر محمد في الانجيل ؟ - احمد ديدات ترجمة 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6mmLgXivMU

MythLord
He was JEWISH. ffs

Emperordmb
Should Christians also not fly in planes because Jesus never flew in one?

Flyattractor

MythLord
Guys... Jesus wore robes, was tan and had a beard! HE WAS TOTALLY A MUSLIM! Or maybe, just maybe, most people looked like that at the time and only you Mussies were degenerate enough to keep that line of fashion?

Rockydonovang
A dictator's wet dream.

YousufKhan1212
@ennin: Mirza Ghulam Ahmed had a beard and dressed like a Muslim. Was he a Muslim?

Surtur
I remember that one time Jesus was all like "Child brides...not so bad after all".

Originally posted by MythLord
Guys... Jesus wore robes, was tan and had a beard! HE WAS TOTALLY A MUSLIM! Or maybe, just maybe, most people looked like that at the time and only you Mussies were degenerate enough to keep that line of fashion?

Jesus wore clothes. You know who else wore clothes? Hitler.

Lord Lucien
Has anyone ever seen Hitler and Jesus together in the same room? Big f*cking coincidence.

cdtm
I get what he's saying here, you bigoted fools.

Clearly, he means to say Orthodox Jews are as bad a Muslims. And that Jesus was a Jew.

The clear message: Kill the jews and muslims.

Someone needs to be the voice of reason in this cesspool, may as well be me..

Lord Lucien
Oh you actually read what that thing writes?

Beniboybling
enin makes a strong point. Christians suck. sad

Surtur
Originally posted by Beniboybling
enin makes a strong point. Christians suck. sad

It's balanced out by Islam being worse, though. The Christians are lucky. An even more abhorrent religion stole their "we are utterly horrible" thunder.

Lord Lucien
You know what religion sucks the most though? Giving a Shit About Other People's Religions...ism.


That f*cking cult has ruined countless lives ever since it was founded by that Cro-Magnon *sshole who killed buddy because he didn't worship the same dirt spirit as him.

Emperordmb
There's a lot of atheists I've met who seem more invested in wanting me to be an atheist than I am in wanting them to be a Christian.

Rockydonovang
Disliking unsubstantiated belief and disliking a lack of an unsubstantiated belief isn't quite the same Emp.

Emperordmb
Ah I knew you'd get all prickly when I posted that. Predictable.

Surtur
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You know what religion sucks the most though?

Yep, Islam.

Rockydonovang
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Ah I knew you'd get all prickly when I posted that. Predictable.
Making key distinctions isn't quite the same as "getting prickly."

Your deflection tells me you don't really have a counter present for my point.

There's nothing wrong with critiquing an unsubstantiated ideology. That's what rational people do. thumb up

Surtur
*punches Muhammad in the face for refusing a homemade bacon cheeseburger*

NewGuy01
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Ah I knew you'd get all prickly when I posted that. Predictable.

Were you planning to post that regardless of what he said? Lol.

eninn
Christmas and 25th of December
Many Christians are unaware that the true spirit of reverence which Muslims display towards Jesus and his mother Mary spring from the fountainhead of their faith as prescribed in the Holy Quran. Most do not know that a Muslim does not take the name of Jesus , without saying Eesa alai-hiss-salaam i.e. (Jesus peace be upon him).


Jesus is commonly considered to have been born on the 25th of December. However, it is common knowledge among Christian scholars that he was not born on this day. It is well known that the first Christian churches held their festival in May, April, or January. Scholars of the first two centuries AD even differ in which year he was born. Some believing that he was born fully twenty years before the current accepted date. So how was the 25th of December selected as the birthday of Jesus ?

Grolier's encyclopedia says: "Christmas is the feast of the birth of Jesus Christ, celebrated on December 25 ... Despite the beliefs about Christ that the birth stories expressed, the church did not observe a festival for the celebration of the event until the 4th century.... since 274, under the emperor Aurelian, Rome had celebrated the feast of the "Invincible Sun" on December 25. In the Eastern Church, January 6, a day also associated with the winter solstice, was initially preferred. In course of time, however, the West added the Eastern date as the Feast of the Epiphany, and the East added the Western date of Christmas".

So who else celebrated the 25th of December as the birth day of their gods before it was agreed upon as the birth day of Jesus ? Well, there are the people of India who rejoice, decorate their houses with garlands, and give presents to their friends on this day. The people of China also celebrate this day and close their shops. Buddha is believed to have been born on this day. The great savior and god of the Persians, Mithras, is also believed to have been born on the 25th of December long before the coming of Jesus .

The Egyptians celebrated this day as the birth day of their great savior Horus, the Egyptian god of light and the son of the "virgin mother" and "queen of the heavens" Isis. Osiris, god of the dead and the underworld in Egypt, the son of "the holy virgin", again was believed to have been born on the 25th of December.

The Greeks celebrated the 25th of December as the birthday of Hercules, the son of the supreme god of the Greeks, Zeus, through the mortal woman Alcmene Bacchus, the god of wine and revelry among the Romans (known among the Greeks as Dionysus) was also born on this day.

Adonis, revered as a "dying-and-rising god" among the Greeks, miraculously was also born on the 25th of December. His worshipers held him a yearly festival representing his death and resurrection, in midsummer. The ceremonies of his birthday are recorded to have taken place in the same cave in Bethlehem which is claimed to have been the birth place of Jesus .

The Scandinavians celebrated the 25th of December as the birthday of their god Freyr, the son of their supreme god of the heavens, Odin.

The Romans observed this day as the birthday of the god of the sun, Natalis Solis Invicti ("Birthday of Sol the invincible"wink. There was great rejoicing and all shops were closed. There was illumination and public games. Presents were exchanged, and the slaves were indulged in great liberties. These are the same Romans who would later preside over the council of Nicea (325 CE) which lead to the official Christian recognition of the "Trinity" as the "true" nature of God, and the "fact" that Jesus was born on the 25th of December too.

In Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Gibbon says: "The Roman Christians, ignorant of his (Christ's) birth, fixed the solemn festival to the 25th of December, the Brumalia, or Winter Solstice, when the Pagans annually celebrated the birth of Sol " vol. ii, p. 383.

Christians opposed to Christmas

There are several Christian groups who are opposed to Christmas. For example, they take the verse from the Bible in Jeremiah 10:2-4 as an admonition against decorating Christmas trees.

The King James Version reads: "Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen.... For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not."

In order to understand this subject, it is helpful to trace some of the history of Christmas avoidance, particularly its roots in Puritanism.

The Puritans believed that the first-century church modeled a Christianity that modern Christians should copy. They attempted to base their faith and practice solely on the New Testament, and their position on Christmas reflected their commitment to practice a pure, scriptural form of Christianity. Puritans argued that God reserved to himself the determination of all proper forms of worship, and that he disapproved of any human innovations - even innovations that celebrated the great events of salvation. The name Christmas also alienated many Puritans.


Christmas, after all, meant "the mass of Christ." The mass was despised as a Roman Catholic institution that undermined the Protestant concept of Christ, who offered himself once for all. The Puritans' passionate avoidance of any practice that was associated with papal Rome caused them to overlook the fact that in many countries the name for the day had nothing to do with the Catholic mass, but focused instead on Jesus' birth. The mass did not evolve into the form abhorred by Protestants until long after Christmas was widely observed. The two customs had separate, though interconnected, histories.

As ardent Protestants, Puritans identified the embracing of Christianity by the Roman Emperor Constantine in the early 300s CE as the starting point of the degeneration and corruption of the church. They believed the corruption of the church was brought on by the interweaving of the church with the pagan Roman state. To Puritans, Christmas was impure because it entered the Roman Church sometime in this period. No one knows the exact year or under what circumstances Roman Christians began to celebrate the birth of their Lord, but by the mid-300s CE, the practice was well established.


when Christ was born Ahmed Deedat a lecture debates youtube
حكم التهنئة بالكريسماس - ذاكر نايك Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X5pDQQ9EU8



when Christ was born Ahmed Deedat a lecture debates youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFfPTgHee6c


Christ in Islam a sequel (full studio debate) - Sheikh Ahmed ...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSWHt5oVAGk

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Surtur
Eninn why is there so much inbreeding with muslims? Is it just personal preference or is it something Allah has decreed?

Surtur
Originally posted by Surtur
Eninn why is there so much inbreeding with muslims? Is it just personal preference or is it something Allah has decreed?

YousufKhan1212

Adam Grimes
I would like to eat a baby jesus some day.

Nuke Nixon
I don't debate religion, or politics mostly... the two really most divisive topics ever.

I do imagine something out in the outer darkness chuckling like crazy over everybody at each others throats (metaphorically) about what went on thousands of years ago.

In the words of Palpatine... "Good good, let the hate flow through you."

Yeah there's never going to be peace, mankind is going to extinct itself way before that.

Carry on.

Surtur
Originally posted by Nuke Nixon
I don't debate religion, or politics mostly... the two really most divisive topics ever.

I do imagine something out in the outer darkness chuckling like crazy over everybody at each others throats (metaphorically) about what went on thousands of years ago.

In the words of Palpatine... "Good good, let the hate flow through you."

Yeah there's never going to be peace, mankind is going to extinct itself way before that.

Carry on.

It's a fight over who has the better imaginary friend.

Surtur

eninn
1400 yrs of Muslim Inbreeding
Why not 10,000 years of human inbreeding? Oh forget it...lets continue...

Having read the bible regarding this issue , I challenge ANYONE to show me just one direct verse that prohibits cousin marriage? Cousin marriages were common in the West throughout history (Christian era)..Many royals married within their family. Even 60 years ago , cousin marriage was NORMAL occurring in the West. Einstein was married to her cousin. Darwin is the same...and many more. Even Bible has many cousin marriages , approved by God. Heck! even Jesus mother was married to her cousin , Joseph (Catholic Encyclopedia)..Even today , in South India , Christian majority , cousin marriage is not a taboo..You can find hundreds of thousands of cousin-couples in the Christian global community today.

Plus : Islam is probably the ONLY religion that PROMOTES critical thinking. It challenges others to produce a book like Qur'an , if they think Qur'an is false. It urges its followers to 'discover the secrets of nature' etc etc. Muslims written critical books regarding Qur'an and Qur'anic claims in 10th century , a time where Christians would get their head cut off for question bible. Muslims , in those times , didn't only question but CRITICIZED Qur'an...and scholars responded with their scholarly responses...But alas , how an illiterate of basic sciences (the author) would know this?


God initiated marriage, with the housing and affection and compassion that are between spouses.

Did not come verse or talk properly in the prevention of inbreeding.

It came forensic evidence other than this, God Almighty said: (50. O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses - whom Allah has given to you, and the daughters of your 'Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your 'Ammah (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khalah (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (captives or slaves) whom their right hands possess, - in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.) verse ... Parties / 50

He married the Prophet peace be upon him of Zaynab bint colt may Allah be pleased with her, the daughter of his uncle, and the husband of his daughter Fatima, his cousin Ali ibn Abi Talib, may Allah be pleased with him, suggesting that there is nothing wrong with inbreeding.



And finally ...


"There is no talk properly to prevent marriages between relatives,
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Though Jesus is mentioned by name in twenty-five places in the Holy Quran he is also addressed with respect as: "Ibne Maryam" - son of Mary; as Masi (Heb) Messiah - translated as Christ; "Abd-ullah" servant of Allah; "Rasul -Ullah" - Messenger of Allah.

He is spoken of as "the word of God", as "the spirit of God", as a "Sign of God", and numerous other epithets of honor spread over fifteen different chapters. The Holy Quran honors this great Messenger of God, and over the past fourteen hundred years Muslims continue to hold Jesus as a symbol of truth.


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(156) 156 - That they rejected faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;

(157) 157 - That they said (in boast), we killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the apostle of God; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:

(158) 158 - Nay, God raised him up unto himself; and God is exalted in power, wise;
-Christ's peace be upon him

Yet live to God at the age of young people did not die so far

The person who crucified him is one of the disciples of Christ (Jude), who is told about Christ and Wuxi and betrayed by the Romans

And the punishment of Judah
# God gave a semi-Jesus peace be upon him Judas the traitor
And so
God saved Jesus peace be upon him, and God raised up to heaven until the coming to earth again to kill the Antichrist, and then die like any man should die in the end


-Prophet Jesus came to complete the message after the Prophet Moses.
The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him came to complete the message of Jesus was the true

But now is not located Gospel Jesus
Located is now the founder of the Christian Gospel of Paul distorted

31. They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grz-lIKoFN4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHx-1...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p86P2DuVHs

Surtur
Did this f*ckhead just defend inbreeding? I'm not even gonna read the novel he typed, I stopped after "nothing in the bible prohibits cousin marriage" because he went full retard there.

I'm talking full on Corky from "Life Goes On" type shit.

YousufKhan1212

Lord Lucien
Inbreeding is a part of human evolutionary history, so the Muslims know what's up. Muhammed confirmed for wincest. Muhammed acknowledges evolution.

Surtur
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Inbreeding is a part of human evolutionary history, so the Muslims know what's up. Muhammed confirmed for wincest. Muhammed acknowledges evolution.

I'm guessing Muslims probably invented evolution, somehow.

Lord Lucien
Did you know that all humans are descended from prophets?

YousufKhan1212
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Did you know that all humans are descended from prophets?

Did you know that Muslims invented algebra?

Surtur
Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
Did you know that Muslims invented algebra?

I'm guessing before the inbreeding really took hold.

MythLord
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I would like to eat a baby jesus some day.

Well he is so mild and tender.

Surtur
Originally posted by MythLord
Well he is so mild and tender.

Just make sure it's kosher.

eninn

YousufKhan1212
@ennin: Stop pointing the finger at the apostle Paul on the origin of the biblical version of Jesus. The belief that Jesus died by crucifixion has existed even before Paul got involved. And IIRC, Ibn Kathir, one of the earliest Islamic historians stated in his tafsir of the Quran that Paul was a true follower of Jesus, which invalidates the idea that Paul created Christianity. Futhermore, Quran 4:157 states that Allah tricked people into thinking Jesus was crucified, so if we go by Islam, the actual corrupter of the Gospel is Allah, not Paul.

Surtur

Robtard
So it's settled, Jesus was a Muslim. Cool <3

Surtur
I also remember the time they wanted to crucify Jesus and then he had his people behead a bunch of folk and then torture them with fire in order to find out the locations to treasure.

Oh that Jesus, what a scamp.

MythLord
And if Anne Frank was alive today, she'd be a Justin Bieber fan.

eninn
It's that simple

If you are a Jew will follow the teachings of Moses, peace be upon him

If you are a Christian you will follow the teachings of Jesus, peace be upon him

As well as Jewish and Christian will follow the teachings of Jesus, peace be upon him
Because
Jesus Christ, peace be upon him a prophet for Jews only

And also the true teachings of the Torah and the Gospel perfectly matched to the teachings of Islam

So it is simple and does not require twisting and turning and fraud

Jewish and Christian here understand very well what i want to say

so

Jewish

حاخام يهودي: الإسلام هو ديانة آدم ونوح.YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMVknISzTg0

حاخام يهودي يفجرها نعم أعترف بنبوة النبي الأكرم محمد صلي الله عليه وسلم و الإسلام دين المستقبل
YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGeW230b6CQ

also Christian

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

see here the true meaning
الشيخ ديدات الأب والأبن والأم والروح القدس
youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_UZ_pa2n94

الشيخ احمد ديدات يثبت تلاميذ وتابعين المسيح لم يفهموه youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grz-lIKoFN4

--Paul
he Is the founder of Christianity
Have nothing to do with the true gospel

احمد ديدات التزييف فى الكتاب المقدس - Plaigirism in The Bible YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olNROAafhuc&spfreload=10

---The truth
Islam, Christianity and Judaism
Source of the one divine
allah
But
Been corrupted Torah and the Gospels
So
Find different opinions

allah says in the Holy Qur'an
(71) O People of the Scripture, why do you confuse the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know ?

(157) Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.

here

قصة إسلام الداعية الاسترالي موسى سرنتونيو youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F37O0TLJyAk

but
The pagan, atheist, and so on

Does not recognize anything

Here a different kind of dialogue

أحمد ديدات - آيات قرآنية علمية تردع الملاحده youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZPdPvY3h1g

إثبات أن القران الكريم كلام الله خالق الكون youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndWYPURIdgQ
allah guide all

eninn
هل تجسد الله في إنسان؟ Can God Become A Man - YouTube
‫
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLftxUFSTsk


الله قادر على كل شيء لما لايتجسد God can do anything w .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWamxd6NK3w


ماذا قال الله للمسيح في سورة المائدة - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8PCsFWOHlY


رجل وامرأة يمارسان الجنس داخل كنيسة Couple Having Sex in Church

http://www.meta
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2680572/couple_having_sex_in_church/


هل جبريل مات أحمد ديدات محاضرة مناظرات - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-ENaNjtSco

Surtur
Originally posted by MythLord
And if Anne Frank was alive today, she'd be a Justin Bieber fan.

laughing

Surtur
Originally posted by eninn
هل تجسد الله في إنسان؟ Can God Become A Man - YouTube
‫
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLftxUFSTsk


الله قادر على كل شيء لما لايتجسد God can do anything w .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWamxd6NK3w


ماذا قال الله للمسيح في سورة المائدة - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8PCsFWOHlY


رجل وامرأة يمارسان الجنس داخل كنيسة Couple Having Sex in Church

http://www.meta
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2680572/couple_having_sex_in_church/


هل جبريل مات أحمد ديدات محاضرة مناظرات - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-ENaNjtSco

Lol..why did you post that thing about the couple having sex in church?

Which I admit is creepy as hell, but I'm still curious.

YousufKhan1212
Originally posted by Surtur
Lol..why did you post that thing about the couple having sex in church?

Which I admit is creepy as hell, but I'm still curious.

He's trying to tell everyone that Christianity doesn't stop Christians from having unlawul forms of sex to prove that Islam stops Muslims from having haram forms of sex. But what he doesn't realise is that the reason why a lot of Christians commit fornication and adultery is because Christianity doesn't prescribe capital punishments, whereas Islam prescribes lashes for fornicators and stoning for adulterers.

YousufKhan1212
@ennin: I've been patiently waiting an entire month to deconstruct your opening post, but I couldn't because I didn't have the sufficient amount of time to respond to so much misinformation and absurdities



Well, Jesus told his followers to love their enemies, bless those that curse them, do good to those who hate them, pray for those who are persecuting them, pray for their persecutors (Matthew 5:44), Muslims don't do that. Jesus also told his followers to be baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19), Muslims don't do that. Jesus also told his followers that the only works they need to do to attain salvation is to believe in the One (which is Jesus) who God sent (John 6:29), Muslims don't do that, and there are multiple other things that the biblical Jesus did that Muslims don't believe in. But we will talk about that later:



Muslims are bearded because it is the sunnah of Muhammad and the Sahaba to grow beards. Jesus didn't command his followers to grow beards, and the reason why Jesus was bearded was because he was a Jew (history identifies Jesus as a Jewish carpenter).



The reason why Muslims wear Arabian thobes, Indian/Pakistani shalwar kameez and a jubba that you didn't mention (which by the way look like bed sheets) is because they get pressurised into wearing them. And I'd like to point out that you mentioned that clothing as a cultural thing, not religious thing. If you want to talk about what qualifies as a Christian cultural clothing, why did you conviniently neglect talking about how catholic nuns and priests dress modestly?



That's because Christianity is exclusively a religious idealogy that doesn't pressurise Christians to adopt old age practises for all times, whereas Islam and Judaism are religious and political idealogies. That's one of the reasons why Christianity got reformed (albeit after huge amounts of bloodshed).



What on earth do you mean by "righteous" Christians who don't do the "It's not just Sundays" profile? You realise that attending Churches isn't made necessary by the biblical Jesus? And Muslims perform their 5 daily prayers every day of the year because namaaz is one of the 5 compulsory pillars of Islam. Attending Churches aren't given that same level of importance.



Some preachers/evangelists do follow this example, some don't. It depends on what method they like using. Also, I'd like to throw the same question at you; how many Islamic preachers/missionaries follow the example you gave? I've seen countless Maulvis and Shaykhs scream their heads off in person and online. Here's a really loud one who I used to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7XFwlLA9lE



Not many Christians use that greeting, lots of Muslims do, but that's because they're embodying the teachings of Muhammad (who is significantly different than Jesus). And the fact that Jesus taught his disciples the peace greeting doesn't make Jesus a Muslim.



So you're proving Jesus was Jewish?



Jesus never taught it was necessary to be circumcised, that's why you don't see many Christians doing it.



That's because Jesus never taught it as being compulsory.



Christians don't follow the Old Testament laws because Jesus taught his followers that the Old Testament laws weren't necessary. He only gave them 2 commandments. You might hear some Christian preachers and apologists saying that Christians are not under the "law", but are under "grace". Does that explain things to you?



That's because usury wasn't made forbidden by the 2 commandments that were given by Jesus.



That's true, Jesus didn't fornicate. Fornication is a sin in Christianity, some Christians fornicate, but these Christians are committing a sin. Some Muslims fornicate, but they are committed a great sin that's been made punishable by the Quran and Sunnah. Muslims are scared to commit that sin because of that punishment.



What's your point?



Christians don't purify themselves with anything like wudhu or ghusl because it's not made necessary.





This argument is overused and backfires when you read the verses that come after Matthew 26:39 which is anti-Islamic. I'll send you a video that proves how your argument backfires because it explains it better than I do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5FolPt40aE



Again, Jesus never taught his followers to fast for a month. In Islamic, fasting is not only a form of "good deeds" (works), but it's also one of the 5 compulsory pillars of Islam. Works isn't made compulsory in Christianity (or at least orthodox Christianity, Catholicism teaches that it is).



Jesus made pilgrimage because he was doing works of the Father (John 10:37-38), which is something that Christians aren't supposed to do.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
He's trying to tell everyone that Christianity doesn't stop Christians from having unlawul forms of sex to prove that Islam stops Muslims from having haram forms of sex. But what he doesn't realise is that the reason why a lot of Christians commit fornication and adultery is because Christianity doesn't prescribe capital punishments, whereas Islam prescribes lashes for fornicators and stoning for adulterers.

Christianity absolutely ascribes capital punishment for sexual "sins." Adultery, beastiality, fornication, and homosexuality are all to be punished by death. If a woman is not a virgin when she is married, she is to be put to death. If a rape victim does not cry out loudly enough that the rape is witnessed, she is to be put to death. If a woman presses her breasts together, she is to be put to death.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Christianity absolutely ascribes capital punishment for sexual "sins." Adultery, beastiality, fornication, and homosexuality are all to be punished by death. If a woman is not a virgin when she is married, she is to be put to death. If a rape victim does not cry out loudly enough that the rape is witnessed, she is to be put to death. If a woman presses her breasts together, she is to be put to death.
Jesus spoke out against that AdamPOE. That's more relevant to the discussions of whether or not Jesus's teachings more approve of Muslims than Christians, and Yousuf is blatantly pointing out that the way Muslims handle sexuality is not in keeping with Jesus... which regardless of your opinions on Christianity overall, Jesus specifically is being what is discussed here, and the evidence there speaks in favor of the point Yousuf is making.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Jesus spoke out against that AdamPOE. That's more relevant to the discussions of whether or not Jesus's teachings more approve of Muslims than Christians, and Yousuf is blatantly pointing out that the way Muslims handle sexuality is not in keeping with Jesus... which regardless of your opinions on Christianity overall, Jesus specifically is being what is discussed here, and the evidence there speaks in favor of the point Yousuf is making.

YousufKhan1212
Continued...



Jesus isn't teaching the oneness of God in Mark 12:29-30. If you carefully read Mark 12:29-30 without trying to manipulate the passage into sounding Islamic, you will notice that Jesus is giving his followers a quoted commandment that there's only one God and one Lord for them. That doesn't support the concept of Islamic monotheism known as Tawhid. The meaning of the concept of Tawhid is that there is only one God who manifests himself as only one person without any parners who are also manifestation of God. The concept of the Trinity is that there is one God who manifests himself as 3 persons.



Those verses don't support the Islamic concept of Tawhid either. They just say love God.



Jesus never mentioned the Trinity as a word or term, but he definitely taught the concept of the existence of God who doesn't just manifest himself as one person. The whole reason why the Jews wanted Jesus dead is because Jesus basically declared himself God (which was admittedly done implicitly).



Nope.



He kind of does... Multiple times. For example, Jesus actually referred to as being the Lord and God of Thomas by Thomas himself in John 20:28. If the biblical Jesus was just a mere man and mere prophet, this would be a really good time for Jesus to rebuke Thomas and warn him of shirk.



The same Bible you're appealing to says the opposite. There are multiple Bible passages that declare Jesus as being the Son of God. I'll send you a video that explains it really well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bKhCxcBo_U



The Trinitarian formula.




Umm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuL6cJPz3Nk

Being under the impression that the Torah and Gospel is corrupted is one thing and that the biblical Jesus is not the true Jesus is one thing, but to say that Muslims embody the teachings of the biblical Jesus is another thing, but to make the claim that it's a fact deserves absolute ridicule.



No they don't. The Bible doesn't predict the coming a Prophet that comes after Jesus (who biblically speaking, was more than just a mere Prophet). And appealing to biblical criteria to prove Islam is true is quite possibly the worst decision you could ever make because biblical criteria identifies Muhammad as a Satanic false Prophet. If you want to be consistent with using biblical criteria, you must reject Muhammad as a Prophet, which is kufr.

YousufKhan1212
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Christianity absolutely ascribes capital punishment for sexual "sins." Adultery, beastiality, fornication, and homosexuality are all to be punished by death. If a woman is not a virgin when she is married, she is to be put to death. If a rape victim does not cry out loudly enough that the rape is witnessed, she is to be put to death. If a woman presses her breasts together, she is to be put to death.

The capital punishments for adultery, fornication, beastility and homosexual activity are all in the Old Testament laws, not the New Testament laws. Christianity is defined by the New Testament, especially the 4 Gospels. IIRC, Paul once said that he thought one of the sexual sins that I mentioned deserved capital punishments somewhere in one of his letters, but he never actually prescribed them.



You conviniently missed out the part where Jesus says "I have come not to abolish, but to fulfil them" in verse 17 which was a reference to Old Testament prophecies. Your argument is also based on conjecture because there are other passages where Jesus rendered the Old Testament laws as unneccassary for his followers e.g. Matthew 5:31-32. In addition to that, this is reinforced by the fact that Jesus gave his followers a new law that only had 2 commandments:



That is the law that Jesus gave to his followers. You've probably heard some Christian preachers/missionaries say that Christians are grace, not the law, right? Christians aren't under the law: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrsofbMg8qU

YousufKhan1212

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Infidel can become a good Muslim
F or one reason
Do not confuse culture, customs and traditions
And between
The correct Islamic approach

This is something a treasure for the unbeliever
His life changed for the better

Can not abandon it
40000 Americans convert to islam every year youtube

70000 french convert to islam every year youtube

and so on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlELJIo5E5E
If you want to know Islam properly


And not through acts of random people


Because of this realization
Islam in increasing
In a few years
You will find many countries in Europe and America
All population Muslim
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There are a lot of priests and monks are very good

allah save them

And send to them guidance

And opens their eyes to the truth and to convert to Islam

Publish the truth after recognition

And shed tears after the light of guidance an expression of joy

So God praise those priests and monks

110. You Are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma'ruf (ie Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden), and you believe in Allah. And had the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) believed, it would have been better for them; among them are some who have faith, but most of them are Al-Fasiqun (disobedient to Allah - and rebellious against Allah's Command).
3. Surah Ale-Imran


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZP3CN05CbI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyYJPOuiKkQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ftELy_Moug

You forgot the main thing

Doaa Prophet Abraham, peace be upon him

For the people of Mecca

129. "Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own (and indeed Allah answered their invocation by sending Muhammad Peace be upon him ), who shall recite unto them Your Verses and instruct them in the Book (this Qur'an) and Al-Hikmah (full knowledge of the Islamic laws and jurisprudence or wisdom or Prophethood, etc.), and sanctify them. Verily! You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise."
Surah Al-Baqarah

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Surtur
Eninn do you think perhaps the "peace be upon him/her" thing is kinda tainted because you also say the same thing about a child raping warlord?

YousufKhan1212

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Surtur
Eninn: Jesus would beat the shit out of Muhammad in a fight.

Magic powers vs pedophilia.

MythLord
ain't muhammad THE voodoo master???

Surtur
Originally posted by MythLord
ain't muhammad THE voodoo master???

His pedo-magic pales in comparison to the awesome ability to turn water into booze.

YousufKhan1212
@ennin: John 14:16 is not about Muhammad, it's about the Holy Spirit (or Holy Ghost depending on which translation you read). If you read that entire chapter properly instead of reading just one verse, you'll realise that Jesus is saying that when he leaves, reference to the Holy Spirit being sent to dwell into to the disciples after Jesus leaves. This is confirmed by John 14:25 where Jesus identifies that comforter as the Holy Spirit/Ghost.

In response to your disorganised and misleading rant on Jihad, you've only proven that Jihad has been used by Muhammad as defensive warfare, that's it. What you have not realised is that there are 2 forms of Jihad; offensive Jihad and defensive Jihad. Jihad is not exclusively defensive warfare, it's also offensive warfare. If you're going to say that there's no such thing as offensive Jihad, then please enlighten me on what version of Islam you believe in. Jihad is not only compulsory for all Muslims to participate in, but also the most important duty to follow to the extent that its importance is even higher than the 5 pillars of Islam (if that's really that important then there should be 6 pillars of Islam, not 5 pillars, but maybe the reasons why Muslims mention Islam as having 5 pillars because Islam wants to conceal it, but doesn't do a very good job at it).

Beniboybling
why do ppl keep engaging with enin when he is probably a bot, kek

Surtur
Even bots aren't this retarded.

YousufKhan1212
Originally posted by Beniboybling
why do ppl keep engaging with enin when he is probably a bot, kek

Because Bots aren't as hypocritical, inconsistent, intellectually dishonest as ennin who's just another Muslim who misquotes and manipulates the Bible into sounding Islamic and validating Muhammad's prophet hood to mislead people. He's using the same fallacious arguments as lots of Muslim missionaries, namely Ahmed Deedat, Zakir Naik and Shabir Ally. But unlike most missionaries, ennin posts random shit at the same.

Patient_Leech
Originally posted by Surtur
Eninn: Jesus would beat the shit out of Muhammad in a fight.

Magic powers vs pedophilia.

laughing out loud

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