he look like us??the beloved???

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eninn

Josh_Alexander

eninn
brother


One principle in the true Gospel true Torah and the Holy Koran

53. Say: "O 'Ibadi (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah, verily Allah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Surah Az-Zumar

Go directly to the Creator
He asked for forgiveness and remorse and not to return to sin again

There is no intermediary to reveal his mistakes

And take an instrument for forgiveness from the church

This is a particular delusion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezwN29eCUUc

The most important thing is the Ten Commandments, which will lead you to Islam easily

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Ahmed deedat أحمد ديدات يزعزع معتقد النصارى
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppRdp4kFZPQ


قس يتحدي ديدات -اثبت ان المسيح لم يصلب و سأعلن إسلامي
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNAWdTvcOr4


احمد ديدات_ اتحدى قداسة البابا و جميع القساوسة و الخاحامات
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pEF8h49r7s

اين ذكر محمد في الانجيل ؟ - احمد ديدات ترجمة 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6mmLgXivMU

MythLord
He was JEWISH. ffs

Emperordmb
Should Christians also not fly in planes because Jesus never flew in one?

Flyattractor

MythLord
Guys... Jesus wore robes, was tan and had a beard! HE WAS TOTALLY A MUSLIM! Or maybe, just maybe, most people looked like that at the time and only you Mussies were degenerate enough to keep that line of fashion?

Rockydonovang
A dictator's wet dream.

YousufKhan1212
@ennin: Mirza Ghulam Ahmed had a beard and dressed like a Muslim. Was he a Muslim?

Surtur
I remember that one time Jesus was all like "Child brides...not so bad after all".

Originally posted by MythLord
Guys... Jesus wore robes, was tan and had a beard! HE WAS TOTALLY A MUSLIM! Or maybe, just maybe, most people looked like that at the time and only you Mussies were degenerate enough to keep that line of fashion?

Jesus wore clothes. You know who else wore clothes? Hitler.

Lord Lucien
Has anyone ever seen Hitler and Jesus together in the same room? Big f*cking coincidence.

cdtm
I get what he's saying here, you bigoted fools.

Clearly, he means to say Orthodox Jews are as bad a Muslims. And that Jesus was a Jew.

The clear message: Kill the jews and muslims.

Someone needs to be the voice of reason in this cesspool, may as well be me..

Lord Lucien
Oh you actually read what that thing writes?

Beniboybling
enin makes a strong point. Christians suck. sad

Surtur
Originally posted by Beniboybling
enin makes a strong point. Christians suck. sad

It's balanced out by Islam being worse, though. The Christians are lucky. An even more abhorrent religion stole their "we are utterly horrible" thunder.

Lord Lucien
You know what religion sucks the most though? Giving a Shit About Other People's Religions...ism.


That f*cking cult has ruined countless lives ever since it was founded by that Cro-Magnon *sshole who killed buddy because he didn't worship the same dirt spirit as him.

Emperordmb
There's a lot of atheists I've met who seem more invested in wanting me to be an atheist than I am in wanting them to be a Christian.

Rockydonovang
Disliking unsubstantiated belief and disliking a lack of an unsubstantiated belief isn't quite the same Emp.

Emperordmb
Ah I knew you'd get all prickly when I posted that. Predictable.

Surtur
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You know what religion sucks the most though?

Yep, Islam.

Rockydonovang
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Ah I knew you'd get all prickly when I posted that. Predictable.
Making key distinctions isn't quite the same as "getting prickly."

Your deflection tells me you don't really have a counter present for my point.

There's nothing wrong with critiquing an unsubstantiated ideology. That's what rational people do. thumb up

Surtur
*punches Muhammad in the face for refusing a homemade bacon cheeseburger*

NewGuy01
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Ah I knew you'd get all prickly when I posted that. Predictable.

Were you planning to post that regardless of what he said? Lol.

eninn
Christmas and 25th of December
Many Christians are unaware that the true spirit of reverence which Muslims display towards Jesus and his mother Mary spring from the fountainhead of their faith as prescribed in the Holy Quran. Most do not know that a Muslim does not take the name of Jesus , without saying Eesa alai-hiss-salaam i.e. (Jesus peace be upon him).


Jesus is commonly considered to have been born on the 25th of December. However, it is common knowledge among Christian scholars that he was not born on this day. It is well known that the first Christian churches held their festival in May, April, or January. Scholars of the first two centuries AD even differ in which year he was born. Some believing that he was born fully twenty years before the current accepted date. So how was the 25th of December selected as the birthday of Jesus ?

Grolier's encyclopedia says: "Christmas is the feast of the birth of Jesus Christ, celebrated on December 25 ... Despite the beliefs about Christ that the birth stories expressed, the church did not observe a festival for the celebration of the event until the 4th century.... since 274, under the emperor Aurelian, Rome had celebrated the feast of the "Invincible Sun" on December 25. In the Eastern Church, January 6, a day also associated with the winter solstice, was initially preferred. In course of time, however, the West added the Eastern date as the Feast of the Epiphany, and the East added the Western date of Christmas".

So who else celebrated the 25th of December as the birth day of their gods before it was agreed upon as the birth day of Jesus ? Well, there are the people of India who rejoice, decorate their houses with garlands, and give presents to their friends on this day. The people of China also celebrate this day and close their shops. Buddha is believed to have been born on this day. The great savior and god of the Persians, Mithras, is also believed to have been born on the 25th of December long before the coming of Jesus .

The Egyptians celebrated this day as the birth day of their great savior Horus, the Egyptian god of light and the son of the "virgin mother" and "queen of the heavens" Isis. Osiris, god of the dead and the underworld in Egypt, the son of "the holy virgin", again was believed to have been born on the 25th of December.

The Greeks celebrated the 25th of December as the birthday of Hercules, the son of the supreme god of the Greeks, Zeus, through the mortal woman Alcmene Bacchus, the god of wine and revelry among the Romans (known among the Greeks as Dionysus) was also born on this day.

Adonis, revered as a "dying-and-rising god" among the Greeks, miraculously was also born on the 25th of December. His worshipers held him a yearly festival representing his death and resurrection, in midsummer. The ceremonies of his birthday are recorded to have taken place in the same cave in Bethlehem which is claimed to have been the birth place of Jesus .

The Scandinavians celebrated the 25th of December as the birthday of their god Freyr, the son of their supreme god of the heavens, Odin.

The Romans observed this day as the birthday of the god of the sun, Natalis Solis Invicti ("Birthday of Sol the invincible"wink. There was great rejoicing and all shops were closed. There was illumination and public games. Presents were exchanged, and the slaves were indulged in great liberties. These are the same Romans who would later preside over the council of Nicea (325 CE) which lead to the official Christian recognition of the "Trinity" as the "true" nature of God, and the "fact" that Jesus was born on the 25th of December too.

In Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Gibbon says: "The Roman Christians, ignorant of his (Christ's) birth, fixed the solemn festival to the 25th of December, the Brumalia, or Winter Solstice, when the Pagans annually celebrated the birth of Sol " vol. ii, p. 383.

Christians opposed to Christmas

There are several Christian groups who are opposed to Christmas. For example, they take the verse from the Bible in Jeremiah 10:2-4 as an admonition against decorating Christmas trees.

The King James Version reads: "Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen.... For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not."

In order to understand this subject, it is helpful to trace some of the history of Christmas avoidance, particularly its roots in Puritanism.

The Puritans believed that the first-century church modeled a Christianity that modern Christians should copy. They attempted to base their faith and practice solely on the New Testament, and their position on Christmas reflected their commitment to practice a pure, scriptural form of Christianity. Puritans argued that God reserved to himself the determination of all proper forms of worship, and that he disapproved of any human innovations - even innovations that celebrated the great events of salvation. The name Christmas also alienated many Puritans.


Christmas, after all, meant "the mass of Christ." The mass was despised as a Roman Catholic institution that undermined the Protestant concept of Christ, who offered himself once for all. The Puritans' passionate avoidance of any practice that was associated with papal Rome caused them to overlook the fact that in many countries the name for the day had nothing to do with the Catholic mass, but focused instead on Jesus' birth. The mass did not evolve into the form abhorred by Protestants until long after Christmas was widely observed. The two customs had separate, though interconnected, histories.

As ardent Protestants, Puritans identified the embracing of Christianity by the Roman Emperor Constantine in the early 300s CE as the starting point of the degeneration and corruption of the church. They believed the corruption of the church was brought on by the interweaving of the church with the pagan Roman state. To Puritans, Christmas was impure because it entered the Roman Church sometime in this period. No one knows the exact year or under what circumstances Roman Christians began to celebrate the birth of their Lord, but by the mid-300s CE, the practice was well established.


when Christ was born Ahmed Deedat a lecture debates youtube
حكم التهنئة بالكريسماس - ذاكر نايك Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X5pDQQ9EU8



when Christ was born Ahmed Deedat a lecture debates youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFfPTgHee6c


Christ in Islam a sequel (full studio debate) - Sheikh Ahmed ...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSWHt5oVAGk

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Surtur
Eninn why is there so much inbreeding with muslims? Is it just personal preference or is it something Allah has decreed?

Surtur
Originally posted by Surtur
Eninn why is there so much inbreeding with muslims? Is it just personal preference or is it something Allah has decreed?

YousufKhan1212

Adam Grimes
I would like to eat a baby jesus some day.

Nuke Nixon
I don't debate religion, or politics mostly... the two really most divisive topics ever.

I do imagine something out in the outer darkness chuckling like crazy over everybody at each others throats (metaphorically) about what went on thousands of years ago.

In the words of Palpatine... "Good good, let the hate flow through you."

Yeah there's never going to be peace, mankind is going to extinct itself way before that.

Carry on.

Surtur
Originally posted by Nuke Nixon
I don't debate religion, or politics mostly... the two really most divisive topics ever.

I do imagine something out in the outer darkness chuckling like crazy over everybody at each others throats (metaphorically) about what went on thousands of years ago.

In the words of Palpatine... "Good good, let the hate flow through you."

Yeah there's never going to be peace, mankind is going to extinct itself way before that.

Carry on.

It's a fight over who has the better imaginary friend.

Surtur

eninn
1400 yrs of Muslim Inbreeding
Why not 10,000 years of human inbreeding? Oh forget it...lets continue...

Having read the bible regarding this issue , I challenge ANYONE to show me just one direct verse that prohibits cousin marriage? Cousin marriages were common in the West throughout history (Christian era)..Many royals married within their family. Even 60 years ago , cousin marriage was NORMAL occurring in the West. Einstein was married to her cousin. Darwin is the same...and many more. Even Bible has many cousin marriages , approved by God. Heck! even Jesus mother was married to her cousin , Joseph (Catholic Encyclopedia)..Even today , in South India , Christian majority , cousin marriage is not a taboo..You can find hundreds of thousands of cousin-couples in the Christian global community today.

Plus : Islam is probably the ONLY religion that PROMOTES critical thinking. It challenges others to produce a book like Qur'an , if they think Qur'an is false. It urges its followers to 'discover the secrets of nature' etc etc. Muslims written critical books regarding Qur'an and Qur'anic claims in 10th century , a time where Christians would get their head cut off for question bible. Muslims , in those times , didn't only question but CRITICIZED Qur'an...and scholars responded with their scholarly responses...But alas , how an illiterate of basic sciences (the author) would know this?


God initiated marriage, with the housing and affection and compassion that are between spouses.

Did not come verse or talk properly in the prevention of inbreeding.

It came forensic evidence other than this, God Almighty said: (50. O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses - whom Allah has given to you, and the daughters of your 'Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your 'Ammah (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khalah (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (captives or slaves) whom their right hands possess, - in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.) verse ... Parties / 50

He married the Prophet peace be upon him of Zaynab bint colt may Allah be pleased with her, the daughter of his uncle, and the husband of his daughter Fatima, his cousin Ali ibn Abi Talib, may Allah be pleased with him, suggesting that there is nothing wrong with inbreeding.



And finally ...


"There is no talk properly to prevent marriages between relatives,
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Though Jesus is mentioned by name in twenty-five places in the Holy Quran he is also addressed with respect as: "Ibne Maryam" - son of Mary; as Masi (Heb) Messiah - translated as Christ; "Abd-ullah" servant of Allah; "Rasul -Ullah" - Messenger of Allah.

He is spoken of as "the word of God", as "the spirit of God", as a "Sign of God", and numerous other epithets of honor spread over fifteen different chapters. The Holy Quran honors this great Messenger of God, and over the past fourteen hundred years Muslims continue to hold Jesus as a symbol of truth.


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(156) 156 - That they rejected faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;

(157) 157 - That they said (in boast), we killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the apostle of God; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:

(158) 158 - Nay, God raised him up unto himself; and God is exalted in power, wise;
-Christ's peace be upon him

Yet live to God at the age of young people did not die so far

The person who crucified him is one of the disciples of Christ (Jude), who is told about Christ and Wuxi and betrayed by the Romans

And the punishment of Judah
# God gave a semi-Jesus peace be upon him Judas the traitor
And so
God saved Jesus peace be upon him, and God raised up to heaven until the coming to earth again to kill the Antichrist, and then die like any man should die in the end


-Prophet Jesus came to complete the message after the Prophet Moses.
The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him came to complete the message of Jesus was the true

But now is not located Gospel Jesus
Located is now the founder of the Christian Gospel of Paul distorted

31. They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grz-lIKoFN4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHx-1...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p86P2DuVHs

Surtur
Did this f*ckhead just defend inbreeding? I'm not even gonna read the novel he typed, I stopped after "nothing in the bible prohibits cousin marriage" because he went full retard there.

I'm talking full on Corky from "Life Goes On" type shit.

YousufKhan1212

Lord Lucien
Inbreeding is a part of human evolutionary history, so the Muslims know what's up. Muhammed confirmed for wincest. Muhammed acknowledges evolution.

Surtur
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Inbreeding is a part of human evolutionary history, so the Muslims know what's up. Muhammed confirmed for wincest. Muhammed acknowledges evolution.

I'm guessing Muslims probably invented evolution, somehow.

Lord Lucien
Did you know that all humans are descended from prophets?

YousufKhan1212
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Did you know that all humans are descended from prophets?

Did you know that Muslims invented algebra?

Surtur
Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
Did you know that Muslims invented algebra?

I'm guessing before the inbreeding really took hold.

MythLord
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I would like to eat a baby jesus some day.

Well he is so mild and tender.

Surtur
Originally posted by MythLord
Well he is so mild and tender.

Just make sure it's kosher.

eninn

YousufKhan1212
@ennin: Stop pointing the finger at the apostle Paul on the origin of the biblical version of Jesus. The belief that Jesus died by crucifixion has existed even before Paul got involved. And IIRC, Ibn Kathir, one of the earliest Islamic historians stated in his tafsir of the Quran that Paul was a true follower of Jesus, which invalidates the idea that Paul created Christianity. Futhermore, Quran 4:157 states that Allah tricked people into thinking Jesus was crucified, so if we go by Islam, the actual corrupter of the Gospel is Allah, not Paul.

Surtur

Robtard
So it's settled, Jesus was a Muslim. Cool <3

Surtur
I also remember the time they wanted to crucify Jesus and then he had his people behead a bunch of folk and then torture them with fire in order to find out the locations to treasure.

Oh that Jesus, what a scamp.

MythLord
And if Anne Frank was alive today, she'd be a Justin Bieber fan.

eninn
It's that simple

If you are a Jew will follow the teachings of Moses, peace be upon him

If you are a Christian you will follow the teachings of Jesus, peace be upon him

As well as Jewish and Christian will follow the teachings of Jesus, peace be upon him
Because
Jesus Christ, peace be upon him a prophet for Jews only

And also the true teachings of the Torah and the Gospel perfectly matched to the teachings of Islam

So it is simple and does not require twisting and turning and fraud

Jewish and Christian here understand very well what i want to say

so

Jewish

حاخام يهودي: الإسلام هو ديانة آدم ونوح.YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMVknISzTg0

حاخام يهودي يفجرها نعم أعترف بنبوة النبي الأكرم محمد صلي الله عليه وسلم و الإسلام دين المستقبل
YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGeW230b6CQ

also Christian

Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

see here the true meaning
الشيخ ديدات الأب والأبن والأم والروح القدس
youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_UZ_pa2n94

الشيخ احمد ديدات يثبت تلاميذ وتابعين المسيح لم يفهموه youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grz-lIKoFN4

--Paul
he Is the founder of Christianity
Have nothing to do with the true gospel

احمد ديدات التزييف فى الكتاب المقدس - Plaigirism in The Bible YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olNROAafhuc&spfreload=10

---The truth
Islam, Christianity and Judaism
Source of the one divine
allah
But
Been corrupted Torah and the Gospels
So
Find different opinions

allah says in the Holy Qur'an
(71) O People of the Scripture, why do you confuse the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know ?

(157) Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.

here

قصة إسلام الداعية الاسترالي موسى سرنتونيو youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F37O0TLJyAk

but
The pagan, atheist, and so on

Does not recognize anything

Here a different kind of dialogue

أحمد ديدات - آيات قرآنية علمية تردع الملاحده youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZPdPvY3h1g

إثبات أن القران الكريم كلام الله خالق الكون youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndWYPURIdgQ
allah guide all

eninn
هل تجسد الله في إنسان؟ Can God Become A Man - YouTube
‫
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLftxUFSTsk


الله قادر على كل شيء لما لايتجسد God can do anything w .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWamxd6NK3w


ماذا قال الله للمسيح في سورة المائدة - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8PCsFWOHlY


رجل وامرأة يمارسان الجنس داخل كنيسة Couple Having Sex in Church

http://www.meta
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2680572/couple_having_sex_in_church/


هل جبريل مات أحمد ديدات محاضرة مناظرات - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-ENaNjtSco

Surtur
Originally posted by MythLord
And if Anne Frank was alive today, she'd be a Justin Bieber fan.

laughing

Surtur
Originally posted by eninn
هل تجسد الله في إنسان؟ Can God Become A Man - YouTube
‫
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLftxUFSTsk


الله قادر على كل شيء لما لايتجسد God can do anything w .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWamxd6NK3w


ماذا قال الله للمسيح في سورة المائدة - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8PCsFWOHlY


رجل وامرأة يمارسان الجنس داخل كنيسة Couple Having Sex in Church

http://www.meta
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2680572/couple_having_sex_in_church/


هل جبريل مات أحمد ديدات محاضرة مناظرات - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-ENaNjtSco

Lol..why did you post that thing about the couple having sex in church?

Which I admit is creepy as hell, but I'm still curious.

YousufKhan1212
Originally posted by Surtur
Lol..why did you post that thing about the couple having sex in church?

Which I admit is creepy as hell, but I'm still curious.

He's trying to tell everyone that Christianity doesn't stop Christians from having unlawul forms of sex to prove that Islam stops Muslims from having haram forms of sex. But what he doesn't realise is that the reason why a lot of Christians commit fornication and adultery is because Christianity doesn't prescribe capital punishments, whereas Islam prescribes lashes for fornicators and stoning for adulterers.

YousufKhan1212
@ennin: I've been patiently waiting an entire month to deconstruct your opening post, but I couldn't because I didn't have the sufficient amount of time to respond to so much misinformation and absurdities



Well, Jesus told his followers to love their enemies, bless those that curse them, do good to those who hate them, pray for those who are persecuting them, pray for their persecutors (Matthew 5:44), Muslims don't do that. Jesus also told his followers to be baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19), Muslims don't do that. Jesus also told his followers that the only works they need to do to attain salvation is to believe in the One (which is Jesus) who God sent (John 6:29), Muslims don't do that, and there are multiple other things that the biblical Jesus did that Muslims don't believe in. But we will talk about that later:



Muslims are bearded because it is the sunnah of Muhammad and the Sahaba to grow beards. Jesus didn't command his followers to grow beards, and the reason why Jesus was bearded was because he was a Jew (history identifies Jesus as a Jewish carpenter).



The reason why Muslims wear Arabian thobes, Indian/Pakistani shalwar kameez and a jubba that you didn't mention (which by the way look like bed sheets) is because they get pressurised into wearing them. And I'd like to point out that you mentioned that clothing as a cultural thing, not religious thing. If you want to talk about what qualifies as a Christian cultural clothing, why did you conviniently neglect talking about how catholic nuns and priests dress modestly?



That's because Christianity is exclusively a religious idealogy that doesn't pressurise Christians to adopt old age practises for all times, whereas Islam and Judaism are religious and political idealogies. That's one of the reasons why Christianity got reformed (albeit after huge amounts of bloodshed).



What on earth do you mean by "righteous" Christians who don't do the "It's not just Sundays" profile? You realise that attending Churches isn't made necessary by the biblical Jesus? And Muslims perform their 5 daily prayers every day of the year because namaaz is one of the 5 compulsory pillars of Islam. Attending Churches aren't given that same level of importance.



Some preachers/evangelists do follow this example, some don't. It depends on what method they like using. Also, I'd like to throw the same question at you; how many Islamic preachers/missionaries follow the example you gave? I've seen countless Maulvis and Shaykhs scream their heads off in person and online. Here's a really loud one who I used to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7XFwlLA9lE



Not many Christians use that greeting, lots of Muslims do, but that's because they're embodying the teachings of Muhammad (who is significantly different than Jesus). And the fact that Jesus taught his disciples the peace greeting doesn't make Jesus a Muslim.



So you're proving Jesus was Jewish?



Jesus never taught it was necessary to be circumcised, that's why you don't see many Christians doing it.



That's because Jesus never taught it as being compulsory.



Christians don't follow the Old Testament laws because Jesus taught his followers that the Old Testament laws weren't necessary. He only gave them 2 commandments. You might hear some Christian preachers and apologists saying that Christians are not under the "law", but are under "grace". Does that explain things to you?



That's because usury wasn't made forbidden by the 2 commandments that were given by Jesus.



That's true, Jesus didn't fornicate. Fornication is a sin in Christianity, some Christians fornicate, but these Christians are committing a sin. Some Muslims fornicate, but they are committed a great sin that's been made punishable by the Quran and Sunnah. Muslims are scared to commit that sin because of that punishment.



What's your point?



Christians don't purify themselves with anything like wudhu or ghusl because it's not made necessary.





This argument is overused and backfires when you read the verses that come after Matthew 26:39 which is anti-Islamic. I'll send you a video that proves how your argument backfires because it explains it better than I do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5FolPt40aE



Again, Jesus never taught his followers to fast for a month. In Islamic, fasting is not only a form of "good deeds" (works), but it's also one of the 5 compulsory pillars of Islam. Works isn't made compulsory in Christianity (or at least orthodox Christianity, Catholicism teaches that it is).



Jesus made pilgrimage because he was doing works of the Father (John 10:37-38), which is something that Christians aren't supposed to do.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
He's trying to tell everyone that Christianity doesn't stop Christians from having unlawul forms of sex to prove that Islam stops Muslims from having haram forms of sex. But what he doesn't realise is that the reason why a lot of Christians commit fornication and adultery is because Christianity doesn't prescribe capital punishments, whereas Islam prescribes lashes for fornicators and stoning for adulterers.

Christianity absolutely ascribes capital punishment for sexual "sins." Adultery, beastiality, fornication, and homosexuality are all to be punished by death. If a woman is not a virgin when she is married, she is to be put to death. If a rape victim does not cry out loudly enough that the rape is witnessed, she is to be put to death. If a woman presses her breasts together, she is to be put to death.

Emperordmb
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Christianity absolutely ascribes capital punishment for sexual "sins." Adultery, beastiality, fornication, and homosexuality are all to be punished by death. If a woman is not a virgin when she is married, she is to be put to death. If a rape victim does not cry out loudly enough that the rape is witnessed, she is to be put to death. If a woman presses her breasts together, she is to be put to death.
Jesus spoke out against that AdamPOE. That's more relevant to the discussions of whether or not Jesus's teachings more approve of Muslims than Christians, and Yousuf is blatantly pointing out that the way Muslims handle sexuality is not in keeping with Jesus... which regardless of your opinions on Christianity overall, Jesus specifically is being what is discussed here, and the evidence there speaks in favor of the point Yousuf is making.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Jesus spoke out against that AdamPOE. That's more relevant to the discussions of whether or not Jesus's teachings more approve of Muslims than Christians, and Yousuf is blatantly pointing out that the way Muslims handle sexuality is not in keeping with Jesus... which regardless of your opinions on Christianity overall, Jesus specifically is being what is discussed here, and the evidence there speaks in favor of the point Yousuf is making.

YousufKhan1212
Continued...



Jesus isn't teaching the oneness of God in Mark 12:29-30. If you carefully read Mark 12:29-30 without trying to manipulate the passage into sounding Islamic, you will notice that Jesus is giving his followers a quoted commandment that there's only one God and one Lord for them. That doesn't support the concept of Islamic monotheism known as Tawhid. The meaning of the concept of Tawhid is that there is only one God who manifests himself as only one person without any parners who are also manifestation of God. The concept of the Trinity is that there is one God who manifests himself as 3 persons.



Those verses don't support the Islamic concept of Tawhid either. They just say love God.



Jesus never mentioned the Trinity as a word or term, but he definitely taught the concept of the existence of God who doesn't just manifest himself as one person. The whole reason why the Jews wanted Jesus dead is because Jesus basically declared himself God (which was admittedly done implicitly).



Nope.



He kind of does... Multiple times. For example, Jesus actually referred to as being the Lord and God of Thomas by Thomas himself in John 20:28. If the biblical Jesus was just a mere man and mere prophet, this would be a really good time for Jesus to rebuke Thomas and warn him of shirk.



The same Bible you're appealing to says the opposite. There are multiple Bible passages that declare Jesus as being the Son of God. I'll send you a video that explains it really well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bKhCxcBo_U



The Trinitarian formula.




Umm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuL6cJPz3Nk

Being under the impression that the Torah and Gospel is corrupted is one thing and that the biblical Jesus is not the true Jesus is one thing, but to say that Muslims embody the teachings of the biblical Jesus is another thing, but to make the claim that it's a fact deserves absolute ridicule.



No they don't. The Bible doesn't predict the coming a Prophet that comes after Jesus (who biblically speaking, was more than just a mere Prophet). And appealing to biblical criteria to prove Islam is true is quite possibly the worst decision you could ever make because biblical criteria identifies Muhammad as a Satanic false Prophet. If you want to be consistent with using biblical criteria, you must reject Muhammad as a Prophet, which is kufr.

YousufKhan1212
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Christianity absolutely ascribes capital punishment for sexual "sins." Adultery, beastiality, fornication, and homosexuality are all to be punished by death. If a woman is not a virgin when she is married, she is to be put to death. If a rape victim does not cry out loudly enough that the rape is witnessed, she is to be put to death. If a woman presses her breasts together, she is to be put to death.

The capital punishments for adultery, fornication, beastility and homosexual activity are all in the Old Testament laws, not the New Testament laws. Christianity is defined by the New Testament, especially the 4 Gospels. IIRC, Paul once said that he thought one of the sexual sins that I mentioned deserved capital punishments somewhere in one of his letters, but he never actually prescribed them.



You conviniently missed out the part where Jesus says "I have come not to abolish, but to fulfil them" in verse 17 which was a reference to Old Testament prophecies. Your argument is also based on conjecture because there are other passages where Jesus rendered the Old Testament laws as unneccassary for his followers e.g. Matthew 5:31-32. In addition to that, this is reinforced by the fact that Jesus gave his followers a new law that only had 2 commandments:



That is the law that Jesus gave to his followers. You've probably heard some Christian preachers/missionaries say that Christians are grace, not the law, right? Christians aren't under the law: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrsofbMg8qU

YousufKhan1212

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Infidel can become a good Muslim
F or one reason
Do not confuse culture, customs and traditions
And between
The correct Islamic approach

This is something a treasure for the unbeliever
His life changed for the better

Can not abandon it
40000 Americans convert to islam every year youtube

70000 french convert to islam every year youtube

and so on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlELJIo5E5E
If you want to know Islam properly


And not through acts of random people


Because of this realization
Islam in increasing
In a few years
You will find many countries in Europe and America
All population Muslim
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There are a lot of priests and monks are very good

allah save them

And send to them guidance

And opens their eyes to the truth and to convert to Islam

Publish the truth after recognition

And shed tears after the light of guidance an expression of joy

So God praise those priests and monks

110. You Are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma'ruf (ie Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden), and you believe in Allah. And had the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) believed, it would have been better for them; among them are some who have faith, but most of them are Al-Fasiqun (disobedient to Allah - and rebellious against Allah's Command).
3. Surah Ale-Imran


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZP3CN05CbI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyYJPOuiKkQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ftELy_Moug

You forgot the main thing

Doaa Prophet Abraham, peace be upon him

For the people of Mecca

129. "Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own (and indeed Allah answered their invocation by sending Muhammad Peace be upon him ), who shall recite unto them Your Verses and instruct them in the Book (this Qur'an) and Al-Hikmah (full knowledge of the Islamic laws and jurisprudence or wisdom or Prophethood, etc.), and sanctify them. Verily! You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise."
Surah Al-Baqarah

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Surtur
Eninn do you think perhaps the "peace be upon him/her" thing is kinda tainted because you also say the same thing about a child raping warlord?

YousufKhan1212

eninn

Surtur
Eninn: Jesus would beat the shit out of Muhammad in a fight.

Magic powers vs pedophilia.

MythLord
ain't muhammad THE voodoo master???

Surtur
Originally posted by MythLord
ain't muhammad THE voodoo master???

His pedo-magic pales in comparison to the awesome ability to turn water into booze.

YousufKhan1212
@ennin: John 14:16 is not about Muhammad, it's about the Holy Spirit (or Holy Ghost depending on which translation you read). If you read that entire chapter properly instead of reading just one verse, you'll realise that Jesus is saying that when he leaves, reference to the Holy Spirit being sent to dwell into to the disciples after Jesus leaves. This is confirmed by John 14:25 where Jesus identifies that comforter as the Holy Spirit/Ghost.

In response to your disorganised and misleading rant on Jihad, you've only proven that Jihad has been used by Muhammad as defensive warfare, that's it. What you have not realised is that there are 2 forms of Jihad; offensive Jihad and defensive Jihad. Jihad is not exclusively defensive warfare, it's also offensive warfare. If you're going to say that there's no such thing as offensive Jihad, then please enlighten me on what version of Islam you believe in. Jihad is not only compulsory for all Muslims to participate in, but also the most important duty to follow to the extent that its importance is even higher than the 5 pillars of Islam (if that's really that important then there should be 6 pillars of Islam, not 5 pillars, but maybe the reasons why Muslims mention Islam as having 5 pillars because Islam wants to conceal it, but doesn't do a very good job at it).

Beniboybling
why do ppl keep engaging with enin when he is probably a bot, kek

Surtur
Even bots aren't this retarded.

YousufKhan1212
Originally posted by Beniboybling
why do ppl keep engaging with enin when he is probably a bot, kek

Because Bots aren't as hypocritical, inconsistent, intellectually dishonest as ennin who's just another Muslim who misquotes and manipulates the Bible into sounding Islamic and validating Muhammad's prophet hood to mislead people. He's using the same fallacious arguments as lots of Muslim missionaries, namely Ahmed Deedat, Zakir Naik and Shabir Ally. But unlike most missionaries, ennin posts random shit at the same.

Patient_Leech
Originally posted by Surtur
Eninn: Jesus would beat the shit out of Muhammad in a fight.

Magic powers vs pedophilia.

laughing out loud

.

Beniboybling
Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
Because Bots aren't as hypocritical, inconsistent, intellectually dishonest as ennin who's just another Muslim who misquotes and manipulates the Bible into sounding Islamic and validating Muhammad's prophet hood to mislead people. He's using the same fallacious arguments as lots of Muslim missionaries, namely Ahmed Deedat, Zakir Naik and Shabir Ally. But unlike most missionaries, ennin posts random shit at the same. lmao

eninn
Muslims believe that the original religion given to Adam and Eve was Islam (you'll often hear "Adam was the first Muslim"wink, that as time progressed the Jews corrupted it, and they of course rejected Jesus, meanwhile the Christians corrupted the teachings of Christ. Muhammad was sent to rectify those corruptions, so in their eyes he did NOT create Islam, he merely brought it back to what it was intended

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No
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
The best people in the past and present
he Is the best man walking with his feet on the ground
God says in the Holy Qur'an
Praise of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

(159) So by mercy from Allah, , you were lenient with them. And if you had been rude and harsh in heart, they would have disbanded from about you. So pardon them and ask forgiveness for them and consult them in the matter. And when you have decided, then rely upon Allah. Indeed, Allah loves those who rely .

(4) And indeed, you are of a great moral character

- Not steal - did not commit adultery - and never did not lie he called infidels and the polytheists (Sadiq the secretary)
- Maintain the trust and give it back to the owners of the infidels
Despite the attempt to kill him several times (on migration from Mecca to Medina)
- Has not seen false speech and never warned that a final warning
- An amnesty for all those who offended him (on the opening of Mecca)
- Very high morals
- Rahim in the treatment of non-Muslims and to provide advice and guidance to them
Although bad words from them and beyond the literature
- Did not drink the wine in his life
- Did not worship an idol ever
- Have not seen anything taboo

Narrated Al-Mughira bin Shu'ba (may Allah be pleased with him):
The Prophet (peace be upon him) used to pray so much that his feet used to become edematous or swollen, and when he was asked as to why he prays so much, he would say,
"Shall I not be a thankful slave (to Allah)?"

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 76, Number 478
Narrated Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him
I heard Allah's Apostle saying.
"By Allah! I ask for forgiveness from Allah and turn to Him in repentance more than seventy times a day.

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 75, Number 319

Narrated Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him):
Allah's Apostle said:

For every prophet there is one (special invocation (that will not be rejected) with which he appeals (to Allah)
and I want to keep such an invocation for interceding
for my followers in the Hereafter.

Bukhari Volume 8, Book 75, Number 317e


Narrated Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him):
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said,
"There was no prophet among the prophets but was given miracles because of which people had security or had belief, but what I was given was the Divine Inspiration which Allah revealed to me. So I hope that my followers will be more than those of any other prophet on the Day of Resurrection. "
Volume 9, Book 92, Number 379

- Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
And a role model, just do not like everyone
In religion and worship, education, work, The moral and material transactions

-Whatever I wrote would not be able to reach an appropriate description of him
God says in the Holy Qur'an

(28) It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion. And sufficient is Allah as Witness

(21) There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah often

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq4cJznc3W4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnK_Z29GCWg


This call for Muslims and non-Muslims are fair
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqzoF_zMX_A&list=PLEFABC002BD887EB6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjp6e2OwZFw

This call for Muslims and non-Muslims are fair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vay0L6LKJmc

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Do you think that the disciples and followers of Christ Jesus peace be upon him

They are the only ones who live in his reign and his life on earth?


You are mistaken
The students which follow Christ Jesus peace be upon him will not be able to

Live for 600 years until the advent of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

Disciples and followers of Christ Jesus peace be upon him

Are the ones who carry and apply the teachings of Christ and inherit Jesus

Even if the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him came

they Believe in his words and deeds


What the Holy Spirit said to you?

What are the teachings that Holy Spirit told them?


Can you say?



Do you receive the teachings of the Holy Spirit and the face-to-face?
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eninn
The goal of jihad

Is to open a non-Muslim country

To spread Islam in it

Not to kill people and steal their land and homes

Such as the West and Israel

And look at the opening of Egypt and Spain

From China to the West

Islam is wonderful with all meanings

Jihad must be performed according to Islamic rules and regulations and only for the sake or in the service of Allah. The physical or military Jihad must be called by a Muslim authority, such as, a president or head of a Muslim country after due consultations with the learned leadership.


Some of the Prophet Muhammad's Teachings (Sunnah)
He prohibited Muslim soldiers from killing women, children and the elderly, or cut a palm tree, and he advised them, "do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child."
"Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years."
"The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed." Killing is the second major sin in Islam.
"Truly your blood, your property, and your honor are inviolable."
"There is a reward for kindness shown to every living animal or human."

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You should
Studying the Qur'an

Now I know you have a problem
Surprise
The surprising result
Exact match between the Holy Qur'an and the Hadith and science

I beseech you to excuse
Throughout your life you hear from the church and the community around the western
Islam on the mistakes

Now you hear the Holy Qur'an and the Hadith
And find fascinating facts and miracles a scientific approach

Feel bewildered

53. We will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their ownselves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Qur'an) is the truth. Is it not sufficient in regard to your Lord that He is a Witness over all things?

Lots and lots of miracles, material and scientific and medical all areas
Mentioned by modern science

These discoveries are compatible with the Qur'an fully
In the past, present and future
More And More physical evidence
And so
There is no excuse for not ratifying
Not for a Muslim
But for a non-Muslim
To go in the direction of faith in God and His messengers


Why don't you stop waiting and start looking? God has promised that anyone who seeks him with his whole heart will find him. He hasn't promised to reveal himself to those who don't care enough to look for truth.


-- "scientific miracles of islam
Prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) spoke very carefully about a scientific fact realized by scientists few years ago. He said ( God will not held day of resurrection unless Arab land returns greens and rivers again )

scientifically, it was proved that one day the Arabian peninsula was full of greens and rivers as satellite photos confirm that there are buried rivers under the sand of Arab land , one of the great scientists of the American space agency (NASA) says that the taken photos for the desert had shown that one day this area was covered with rivers and lakes like Europe and one day in the future it will back again like the past."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpjPyWoSkfY

Exact match between the Holy Qur'an and the Hadith and science
In all fields of medicine - Astronomy - Heaven - earth - space - self 00000
And the testimony of scientists

must study Quran and Hadith


Will say allah akbar
Science students in america convert to islam youtube

♥♥♥Why Many Scientist convert to Islam♥♥♥ (part 1).flv youtube

㋡㋡㋡Why Many Scientists convert to Islam㋡㋡㋡ _ (part 2).flv youtube

الإسلام هو اختياري Islam - My Choice youtube

European Scientist converts to Islam youtube


53. We will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their ownselves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Qur'an) is the truth. Is it not sufficient in regard to your Lord that He is a Witness over all things?



This is the reason for the return Atheist to the Oneness of allah
allah guided you
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eninn
allah does not punish anyone without guilt

allah says in the Quran

285. . The Messenger (Muhammad ) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in Allah, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. They say, "We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers" - and they say, "We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all)."

286. Allah burdens not a person beyond his scope. He gets reward for that (good) which he has earned, and he is punished for that (evil) which he has earned. "Our Lord! Punish us not if we forget or fall into error, our Lord! Lay not on us a burden like that which You did lay on those before us (Jews and Christians); our Lord! Put not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Pardon us and grant us Forgiveness. Have mercy on us. You are our Maula (Patron, Suppor-ter and Protector, etc.) and give us victory over the disbelieving people."

Surah Al-Baqarah
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also

40. (So it was) till then there came Our Command and the oven gushed forth (water like fountains from the earth). We said: "Embark therein, of each kind two (male and female), and your family, except him against whom the Word has already gone forth, and those who believe. And none believed with him, except a few."

41. And he said: "Embark therein, in the Name of Allah will be its moving course and its resting anchorage. Surely, my Lord is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol. 12, Page 43)

42. So it (the ship) sailed with them amidst the waves like mountains, and Nuh (Noah) called out to his son, who had separated himself (apart), "O my son! Embark with us and be not with the disbelievers."

43. The son replied: "I will betake myself to a mountain, it will save me from the water." Nuh (Noah) said: "This day there is no saviour from the Decree of Allah except him on whom He has mercy." And a wave came in between them, so he (the son) was among the drowned.

44. And it was said: "O earth! Swallow up your water, and O sky! Withhold (your rain)." And the water was diminished (made to subside) and the Decree (of Allah) was fulfilled (i.e. the destruction of the people of Nuh (Noah). And it (the ship) rested on Mount Judi, and it was said: "Away with the people who are Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doing)!"

45. And Nuh (Noah) called upon his Lord and said, "O my Lord! Verily, my son is of my family! And certainly, Your Promise is true, and You are the Most Just of the judges."

46. He said: "O Nuh (Noah)! Surely, he is not of your family; verily, his work is unrighteous, so ask not of Me that of which you have no knowledge! I admonish you, lest you be one of the ignorants."

47. Nuh (Noah) said: "O my Lord! I seek refuge with You from asking You that of which I have no knowledge. And unless You forgive me and have Mercy on me, I would indeed be one of the losers."

48. It was said: "O Nuh (Noah)! Come down (from the ship) with peace from Us and blessings on you and on the people who are with you (and on some of their off spring), but (there will be other) people to whom We shall grant their pleasures (for a time), but in the end a painful torment will reach them from Us."
. Surah Hud
To commit sins against allah

Is also
Injustice of your same

there is Many kinds of injustice

The loser is the one who does not rethink and return to allah repentance

Dr Zakir Naik - Is Jesus God? The Right Perspective of Religion - YouTube


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aIlh9YADz4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSxT7a8_x4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPFoN7hGX00


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QCmlCux82c

YousufKhan1212
@ennin: Most of the shit you posted is irrelevant, but I feel that the following parts are some kind of response to my questions:



You're bullshitting you f*ucking liar. There are literally entire Hadith books that talk about Jihad being a Holy War, and also there's also the past 14 centuries of Jihad. Wherever Islam spreads, bloodshed and destruction follows it.



No shit sherlock. Jihad has conditions and rules, but these conditions and rules have easily been met by countless Muslims since the 7th century. Bringing up the rules and conditions is just a terrible attempt to distract people from bringing up Islam's destructive and violent doctorines.




Yes Muhammad told his followers that they aren't allowed to kill women, children and old people, but these rules were broken when they had a battle with polythiests where polythiest women and children were killed, the Muslims were concerned about the women and children being caught in the crossfire, but Muhammad didn't seem to give a shit and said "They are from them". Whenever a Muslim apologist is confronted with Hadiths that account for that battle, they defend it Muhammad saying "They are from them" by arguing that these women and children were accidently killed based on how some Hadiths describe the event, but that's not exactly the entire truth. What Muhammad actually meant was that he was blaming the polythiests for the deaths of their women and children, which is nothing more than an excuse. Plus.



That's not referring to non-Muslims who have been killed in the cause of Jihad.



Not if it's been done in the cause of Jihad. Doing that promises a Muslims lots of sex in heaven.

eninn
There is no excuse for not ratifying]
Not for a Muslim
]But for a non-Muslim
]To go in the direction of faith in God and His messengers
]Why don't you stop waiting and start looking? God has promised that anyone who seeks him with his whole heart will find him. He hasn't promised to reveal himself to those who don't care enough to look for truth.

allah guide you
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I know a lot of ignorant
Likes to attack Islam
Just attack
But
This does not help
Thank God
Islam in increasing
In a few years
You will find many countries in Europe and America
All Muslim population

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الرد على شبهة "امم امثالكم" - د.ويليام كامبل و د. ذاكر نايك
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqjeTcSEqAc


هل تدور الشمس حول الارض طبقاً للقرآن؟ - ذاكر نايك Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JcGs4FIuu4


تثبتون صحة القرآن بالعلم الحديث فماذا لو كان العلم خاطئاً؟ - ذاكر نايك Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ2uI1mY2hI

ماذا يقصد الله بجمع العظام يوم القيامة وسيسوي البنانه ؟ د ذاكر نايك Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf2gQnmLuvk

Adam Grimes
It's been like 5 years and I'll still say the same. Shut the **** up ennin.

YousufKhan1212
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
It's been like 5 years and I'll still say the same. Shut the **** up ennin.

Surtur
Originally posted by eninn
allah does not punish anyone without guilt

allah says in the Quran

285. . The Messenger (Muhammad ) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in Allah, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. They say, "We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers" - and they say, "We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all)."

286. Allah burdens not a person beyond his scope. He gets reward for that (good) which he has earned, and he is punished for that (evil) which he has earned. "Our Lord! Punish us not if we forget or fall into error, our Lord! Lay not on us a burden like that which You did lay on those before us (Jews and Christians); our Lord! Put not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Pardon us and grant us Forgiveness. Have mercy on us. You are our Maula (Patron, Suppor-ter and Protector, etc.) and give us victory over the disbelieving people."

Surah Al-Baqarah
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also

40. (So it was) till then there came Our Command and the oven gushed forth (water like fountains from the earth). We said: "Embark therein, of each kind two (male and female), and your family, except him against whom the Word has already gone forth, and those who believe. And none believed with him, except a few."

41. And he said: "Embark therein, in the Name of Allah will be its moving course and its resting anchorage. Surely, my Lord is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol. 12, Page 43)

42. So it (the ship) sailed with them amidst the waves like mountains, and Nuh (Noah) called out to his son, who had separated himself (apart), "O my son! Embark with us and be not with the disbelievers."

43. The son replied: "I will betake myself to a mountain, it will save me from the water." Nuh (Noah) said: "This day there is no saviour from the Decree of Allah except him on whom He has mercy." And a wave came in between them, so he (the son) was among the drowned.

44. And it was said: "O earth! Swallow up your water, and O sky! Withhold (your rain)." And the water was diminished (made to subside) and the Decree (of Allah) was fulfilled (i.e. the destruction of the people of Nuh (Noah). And it (the ship) rested on Mount Judi, and it was said: "Away with the people who are Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doing)!"

45. And Nuh (Noah) called upon his Lord and said, "O my Lord! Verily, my son is of my family! And certainly, Your Promise is true, and You are the Most Just of the judges."

46. He said: "O Nuh (Noah)! Surely, he is not of your family; verily, his work is unrighteous, so ask not of Me that of which you have no knowledge! I admonish you, lest you be one of the ignorants."

47. Nuh (Noah) said: "O my Lord! I seek refuge with You from asking You that of which I have no knowledge. And unless You forgive me and have Mercy on me, I would indeed be one of the losers."

48. It was said: "O Nuh (Noah)! Come down (from the ship) with peace from Us and blessings on you and on the people who are with you (and on some of their off spring), but (there will be other) people to whom We shall grant their pleasures (for a time), but in the end a painful torment will reach them from Us."
. Surah Hud
To commit sins against allah

Is also
Injustice of your same

there is Many kinds of injustice

The loser is the one who does not rethink and return to allah repentance

Dr Zakir Naik - Is Jesus God? The Right Perspective of Religion - YouTube


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aIlh9YADz4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSxT7a8_x4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPFoN7hGX00


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QCmlCux82c

This religion is just plain awful. Damn.

eninn

Surtur
Lol most merciful? This pedo piece of shit tortured people in order to find their treasure. Anyone who wishes peace upon him is a lunatic.

YousufKhan1212
Islam has a different definition and criteria for mercy.

Surtur
Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
Islam has a different definition and criteria for mercy.

Next to their definition of "mercy" is a picture of a dude with a bunch of explosives strapped to himself driving a bus into a crowd of people.

YousufKhan1212
@ennin: This better knock some sense into you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrLoFzKhE-o

YousufKhan1212
Also, after wasting about 10 minutes watching this disgusting video, I am now convinced that Muslims worship Muhammad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zth9_p2_CG0

@Surtur: The link above is your present. Enjoy.

eninn

Surtur
Why does a person atoning for the sins of EVERYONE sound good to you? That makes no actual sense.

YousufKhan1212
@Ennin: LMFAO, you do realise that Jesus's death by crucifixon is a historical fact, right? You do realise that the same Bart Ehrman you're citing, affirms the the crufixion as being historically indisputable, right?

eninn
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so some one tell me;

I agree with you, however, that Jesus Christ was send as a messenger by God, nothing else. Jesus said so himself as quoted in John 7:16: "I am not teaching you my own thoughts, but those of God who sent me."

Much of the blame for distoring the mission of Jesus Christ belongs to the apostle Paul

so

Jesus Christ peace be upon him
Not sacrificed for any one

e.x
You have a disease
Then comes your brother
Receive treatment instead of you

Is this acceptable to the logic of the mind?

Death to the people who worshiped the calf is repentance
At the time of the Prophet Moses, peace be upon him

Then
At the time of the Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him

Law requires repentance from sin without having to death

Jesus Christ peace be upon him
Not sacrificed for any one


(the soul that sinneth, it shall die)


Each person is responsible for his actions

(the soul that sinneth, it shall die)

احمد ديدات التزييف فى الكتاب المقدس - Plaigirism in The Bibl YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPfSZZjIhcQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v52CoXux920

عيسى المسيح - انسان , اسطوره , أم إله

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MvQNv1RldE

Jesus Christ Man, Myth, or God

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkPITDi6YEo

YousufKhan1212
@ennin: Stop saying that the biblical Jesus was nothing more than a mere Messenger of God. There are multiple instances in the same Bible you're quoting and accepting as authoritative where Jesus accepts worship (examples - John 9:38; Matthew 2:11; Matthew 28:9; Matthew 14:33; Luke 24:51; Mark 5:6), and the same Bible condemns those who worship anyone besides God. What kind of mere Messenger would do that if he's only a Human? And please stop pointing the finger at Paul, Muslims can't blame Paul for the existence of today's Christianity because the vast majority of them believe that Allah tricked everyone into thinking Jesus died by crucifixion.

SSJGGogeta
Comparing Jesus to Muslims, now?

Last I checked, Jesus didn't marry a 6 year old girl, and **** her when she was 9. Or pillage entire countries, ransacking the lands, killing the men, and raping the women/children. Or convince an entire race of people that killing was okay, if you do so in the name of God. Or convince that same race that mass-murder was praised by God, and would net you 77 virgins when you die. Or stone a woman to death for being raped. Or stone a woman to death for going out without her husband. Etc, etc, etc.

Christianity has a history of false prophets, and people that have used the bible as an excuse to kill, but it's never been supported by the church. Islam is literally based upon the premise that all non-believers should be killed, women are property, and you can do whatever you want as long as you do it in the name of God.

Muslims praise and glorify violence, murder, and rape.

Christians do not.

Jesus >>>>> Muhammed.

eninn

eninn

eninn

YousufKhan1212
@ennin: Once again, you have proven you're a chronic liar by quoting scripture that you keep mishandling. Do you really want me to post Quran verses that suggest that Jesus is the God of the Quran?

Firstly, the fact that the Old Testament God says he's not a man in Numbers 23:19 and Hosea 11:9 doesn't mean he can't be a man. It does not invalidate the idea of him taking on the form of a man, so there's no contradiction between the concept of Jesus the God-man and the Old Testament God saying he's not a man. Secondly, even if we pretend your assertion is true, this can easily be resolved by assuming that the Old Testament God that's talking is the Father, not the Son. The Son is the one who's taking on human form, and in case you bombard me with more lies by saying the Trinity isn't biblical and is a later development that came a long time later, read this before you try responding: http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/thompson/trinity.html

Thirdly, the fact that Jesus is called the Son of Man actually proves the exact opposite of what you're trying to prove. Let's read from Daniel 7:13-14 on who the Son of Man is:



And let's see what happened to Jesus when he called himself the Son of Man:



Ennin, can you explain to me why the High Priest and other Religious leaders accused Jesus of blasphemy, beat him, captured him and called for his death? If you think the fact that Jesus is called the Son of Man means he's just a man, then that means you believe that it was blasphemy for Jesus to call himself a man, which is obviously farcical and false.

eninn

Surtur
"I'm not God, but I am magic"-Jesus H. Christ

YousufKhan1212
@EnninL The quotation system is ****ed up, which means I can't quote anything from your cluster**** of a post.

Jesus isn't denying that he is God in Luke 18:19, he's asking that man why he's calling him (Jesus) good when only God is good because he wants that man the implications of Jesus's identiy if he's actually good. If Jesus said that he wasn't good, then you might have a point. But if the same Jesus was not God as you are falsely asserting, this would be a really good time for him to say something like "HEY I AM NOT GOOD BECAUSE I AM NOT GOD" or at least "I am not good" for you to prove your pitiful distortion of Bible passages. Matthew 19:17 doesn't remotely prove your point either because all what Jesus is saying is that only God is good when he's being asked what is good. Do you even read these passages? Jesus never rebuked that man for asking that question, nor did he even remotely deny that he was good. This is just some misguided nonsense you're shoehorning in those passages.

As for John 14:28 and John 10:29, Jesus only declared inferiority to the Father because of he has human nature. The same Gospel you're quoting says Jesus is God in the flesh (read John 1:1-14).

At this point it's almost as if you're doing this on purpose; Jesus did accept worship in the Bible you're trying to use against Trinitarian Christians. A few pages ago I literally showed you at least 6 crystal clear references of Jesus recieving and accepting worship from all 4 Gospels, including the Synoptic Gospels.

YousufKhan1212
@Ennin: Since you have a habit of spamming me with irrelevant links of Islamic missionaries trying to disprove the deity of Christ, usually ones with Ahmed Deedat or Zakir Naik (seriously... Zakir Naik is a joke and Ahmed Deedat's questions have been answered a million times) I am going to send you videos of Christian Prince (someone who will probably give you nightmares, lol) showing how Jesus is the God of the Quran. Enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZU1Wyv0laA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oKvD7OumF8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRJtoxsMRek

eninn

Putinbot1
Eninn, I respect how you never let the aggression towards your posts bring you down to the level of those attacking you. Good job!

eninn

Putinbot1
Jamil Jeddah Ennin.

Surtur
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Eninn, I respect how you never let the aggression towards your posts bring you down to the level of those attacking you. Good job!

Try harder.

Surtur
Actually, I do admire Eninn for sticking with his pedophile warlord.

MuslimForLife
The Bible is a logical catastrophe that's impossible to get your head around, especially on the identity of Prophet Jesus. For example, Jesus presented God because he has a lot of divine attributes, and is repeatedly identified by the Gospel of John as Yahweh, but at the same time, he also calls the Father his own God, even in that same Gospel. It's not only John who presents Jesus is divine, Matthew, Mark and Luke also glorify Jesus as a divine being, and even the other books of the New Testament also glorify Jesus (Paul takes to the extreme to the point he's basically jacking off to Jesus). However, Christianity is still false. It's good that many Christians that apostasies turn to Islam.

Robtard
Islam is the #1 growing religion in the world.

Surtur
Originally posted by MuslimForLife
The Bible is a logical catastrophe that's impossible to get your head around, especially on the identity of Prophet Jesus. For example, Jesus presented God because he has a lot of divine attributes, and is repeatedly identified by the Gospel of John as Yahweh, but at the same time, he also calls the Father his own God, even in that same Gospel. It's not only John who presents Jesus is divine, Matthew, Mark and Luke also glorify Jesus as a divine being, and even the other books of the New Testament also glorify Jesus (Paul takes to the extreme to the point he's basically jacking off to Jesus). However, Christianity is still false. It's good that many Christians that apostasies turn to Islam.

Jesus is magic. Don't question it.

Robtard
Originally posted by Surtur
Here is the thing you don't get though. Christianity is focused on because that religion has a vastly larger effect on this country then Islam or anything else. You see Radical Islam is the enemy, but you say it as if it's the only threat. Christianity represents are different kind of problem, it's more subtle..not something physical.

As much as people might be afraid of terrorists, Christianity has far more of an effect on the everyday lives of people in this country.

:0

Surtur
smile

eninn

eninn

Emperordmb
Ima have to give Yousuf props for having the patience and diligence to respond to all of this.

YousufKhan1212
@Ennin: Almost all of your most recent claims are regurgitations of old arguments that I have addressed, and some of your most recent claims are based on conjecture, meaning that they that only work if you cherry pick the Bible and completely ignore all the passages that scream Jesus is God. The only new claim you've made is that Paul being the founder of Christianity (once again, you're resorting to blaming Paul), but that's flat out false. The concept of Jesus dying by crucifixion for sins and rising from the dead already existed before Paul got involved. Even the famous New Testament textual critic Bart Ehrman that you cited earlier has gone as far as saying that it's too much to say that Paul is the founder (and even co-founder) of Christianity.

YousufKhan1212
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Ima have to give Yousuf props for having the patience and diligence to respond to all of this.

Thanks.

YousufKhan1212
@Ennin: Here's an interesting statement from Bart Ehrman:

Surtur

MuslimForLife
This thread is an example is why a Muslim should not use the Christian Bible against the cross worshippers. The Jesus of the Bible is clearly presented as a God, and we should blame Paul because he is the true founder of Christianity and also blame the Council of Nicea because they stopped the Christian Bible from having a chance of the correct Gospels.

Surtur
Council of Nicea? Oh shit somebody saw Da Vinci Code.

eninn

YousufKhan1212
Originally posted by MuslimForLife
This thread is an example is why a Muslim should not use the Christian Bible against the cross worshippers. The Jesus of the Bible is clearly presented as a God, and we should blame Paul because he is the true founder of Christianity and also blame the Council of Nicea because they stopped the Christian Bible from having a chance of the correct Gospels.

Already refuted this bullshit in the other thread, try better. But at least you are admitting the Bible teaches that Jesus is God.

Putinbot1

eninn
thank's brothers

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(156) 156 - That they rejected faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;

(157) 157 - That they said (in boast), we killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the apostle of God; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:

(158) 158 - Nay, God raised him up unto himself; and God is exalted in power, wise;
-Christ's peace be upon him

Yet live to God at the age of young people did not die so far

The person who crucified him is one of the disciples of Christ (Jude), who is told about Christ and Wuxi and betrayed by the Romans

And the punishment of Judah
# God gave a semi-Jesus peace be upon him Judas the traitor
And so
God saved Jesus peace be upon him, and God raised up to heaven until the coming to earth again to kill the Antichrist, and then die like any man should die in the end


-Prophet Jesus came to complete the message after the Prophet Moses.
The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him came to complete the message of Jesus was the true

But now is not located Gospel Jesus
Located is now the founder of the Christian Gospel of Paul distorted

31. They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grz-lIKoFN4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHx-1...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p86P2DuVHs


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- Gospel of Matthew is not true
The Gospel has been distorted

Matthew - Mark - Luke - John
Recognized by the scientists themselves Christians


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHsLecQe1so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl_VVivr1dc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovFQsZvegNc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVmv8353PeM

الشيخ ديدات الأب والأبن والأم والروح القدس
youtube


احمد ديدات التزييف فى الكتاب المقدس - Plaigirism in The Bible YouTube
الشيخ احمد ديدات يثبت تلاميذ وتابعين المسيح لم يفهموه youtube
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أحمد ديدات - متىّ لم يكتب متىّ YouTube

أحمد ديدات يفضح الثالوث عل الملأ - YouTube.flv

YousufKhan1212
Might as well give up on refuting Ennin's posts. He's inches away from being another bot, the only thing that stops him from being a full on bot is the fact that he does acknowledge and respond to some other people on this forum, but he does it very poorly and only in a minority of cases. When he's not doing that, he's posting generic Dawah missionary arguments, but in the most disorganised, convoluted and repetitive way possible. Additionally, he has a habit of going off topic, and this happens quite often, which was really frustrating when I tried quoting his arguments point by point. And at this point he's regurgitating the same falsities (e.g. Jesus never claimed deity or accepted worship), and some of the false claims that he continues parroting are just flat out lies. But debating Muslim apologists and missionaries tends to be a pain in the ass, especially when you're a Christian and/or ex-Muslim, most of these Muslims resort to committing ad hominems and no true Scotsman, and when they're not they're just being intellectually dishonest and unreasonable.

Surtur
xxMI6syAwfc

Boom, owned.

Surtur
Parents burned teen daughter with hot oil, beat her with broomsticks for refusing arranged marriage

Muhammad approves thumb up

Tempests dad
Originally posted by Surtur
Parents burned teen daughter with hot oil, beat her with broomsticks for refusing arranged marriage

Muhammad approves thumb up No comments...

eninn

Surtur

eninn

YousufKhan1212
@ennin: You're repeating the same lies, but I'm not going to address your most recent posts - instead, I'm going to post chapter 22 of the Book of Revelation and ask you to tell me on what you've concluded on reading it:



Hint: You might want to pay attention to the parts I highlighted because they mean something very important.

YousufKhan1212
@ennin: What have you noticed on reading Revelation 22?

eninn
in Islam, Judaism and Christianity
One in everything

The Old Testament and New Testament
This caused confusion for people
True Gospel
Gospel of our Jesus, peace be upon him
Is not now



Christians themselves
Does not apply the teachings of Christ
The reason is simple
Does not know
What are these teachings properly?

Hence you will find meat and minced words pornography and incest in the Bible

So God says in the Holy Qur'an

(82) You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers the Jews and those who associate others with Allah; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant.

(83) And when they hear what has been revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of what they have recognized of the truth. They say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so register us among the witnesses.

The Gospel has been distorted

Matthew - Mark - Luke - John
Recognized by the scientists themselves Christians


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHsLecQe1so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl_VVivr1dc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovFQsZvegNc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVmv8353PeM



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNxXZ_4byMs

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Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

John 16:7 But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.

Jesus sent the comforter(Paraclete) Who sent Mohamed?
The comforter will glorify Jesus Christ.

. Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, taught that Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, was the immaculate conception and miracle birth of Mary, and that she was the best creation of Almighty God. He insisted even to the Jews of Madinah, that Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, was the Messiah, the Christ, the one predicted to come in their Torah (Old Testament). He also taught that Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, did many miracles by the permission of Almighty God, curing the lepers, restoring sight to the blind and even bringing a dead man back to life, and he was not dead, rather Almighty God had raised him up.

He also predicted Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, is going to return again in the Last Days to lead the true believers in a victory over the evil and unrighteous people, and he will destroy the Anti-Christ.

John 16 : (12-14)
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but you cannot bear them now. How be it when He, the spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of himself: but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak and He will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for He shall receive of mine, and He shall show it unto you."
All people saw and heard the Prophet Mohammed in the past

Who is the witness which saw or heard the Holy Spirit, except for the prophets?
Anyone who says (I can see and hear the Holy Spirit) needs a Psychiatrist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNxXZ_4byMs

YousufKhan1212
I'll just quote a different translation, maybe you didn't like the NIV:

eninn
Allah says in the Quran what means

:
{Glory be to Him Who made His servant to go on a night from the Sacred Mosque to the remote mosque of which We have blessed the precincts, so that We may show to him some of Our signs; surely He is the Hearing, the Seeing.} (Al-Israa' 17:1)


There is no doubt that Al-Isra (the night journey) followed by Al-Miraj (the heavenly ascension) was one of the miracles in the life of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). According to the most accepted view, it happened on the 27th of Rajab, the seventh month of the Hijri calendar, in the tenth year of Muhammad's prophethood.

It is reported in Hadith literature, that the Messenger of Allah was carried from the Sacred Mosque in Makkah to the "Farthest Mosque" (Al-Masjid al-Aqsa) in Jerusalem on a creature called Al-Buraq in the company of the archangel Gabriel (peace be upon him). There he led a congregational prayer of the prophets of God.


Then Gabriel took him to the heavens where he met the prophets Adam, John, Jesus, Idris, Aaron and Moses (peace be on them all). In the seventh heaven, he met Abraham (peace be on him).

He was then brought to the Divine Presence. The details of this encounter are beautifully detailed in the beginning of surat An-Najm (52).


Prayer: God-given Gift


During this time, Allah ordered for his nation fifty daily Prayers. But on the Prophet's return, he was told by Prophet Moses (peace be on him) that his followers could not perform fifty Prayers. Thus, he went back and eventually it was reduced to five daily Prayers. After this, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) returned to Makkah on the same night itself.


Therefore, Muslims should be thankful to Allah for this gift. They should take care of it and never neglect it. It is the thing that allows the Muslim to communicate with the creator five times as day.

Time and Space Are Not Bound for Allah


One major lesson of that miraculous event, was that space and time which are bound by laws of nature for humans, are not so bound for Allah. On that night prophet Muhammad bridged time and space and this world, traveling to the heavens by Allah's will.

I believe that for those who study philosophy the abstract as well as the symbolic implications of the event might be very stimulating indeed. The gap between the reality of this life and that of the life to come simply diminished. This is illustrated by the Prophet's encounter with other prophets who were long since dead as far as we normally think of it but who, in reality, live as beings in a different form somewhere else.

The implications of the night journey cannot be overstated. The miraculous nature of the Prophet's journey established his divine-stated legitimacy as the seal of all prophets. Allah brought him to Him to show us his true worth in the sight of Allah.

All religious traditions share the concept of miracles, that is, something that defies logic, nature, or the established constitution and course of things.


We will limit our discussion to legitimate miracles from Allah, which are by definition the only true miracles. When the forces of disbelief are strong, typically the prophetic miracles that oppose them are stronger.

Prophet Moses was given several miracles, which included his staff that turned into a massive snake and culminated in his parting of the Red Sea, as a divine response to the extreme infidelity of Pharaoh.

Similarly, Prophet Jesus was given even the power to raise the dead, in order to establish his legitimacy before the Jews who would ultimately condemn him to death for blasphemy. Nevertheless, his miracles were undeniable by their nature, and it was only the obstinacy and arrogance of the people to whom he was sent that enabled them to deny him.

Muhammad's night journey was obviously not easy for the pagan Makkans to believe. Nevertheless, the Prophet proved it logically by describing the approaching caravans that he overtook on his miraculous return.


Thus, this particular prophetic miracle not only established the Prophet's eminence for Muslims as discussed above, but it also helped to prove his prophethood to the non-believers of his time.

After all these matters took place with the Prophet, he returned to the city of Makkah. Some scholars said the Prophet's journey took about one-third of the night, i.e., his journey from Makkah to Jerusalem, then to the heavens and what is above them, and then back to Makkah The next day the Prophet told the people what happened to him the previous night. The blasphemers belied the Prophet and mocked him, saying, "We need a month to get there and back, and you are claiming to have done all this in one night?"


They said to Abu Bakr, "Look at what your companion is saying. He says he went to Jerusalem and came back in one night." Abu Bakr told them, "If he said that, then he is truthful. I believe him concerning the news of the heavens--that an angel descends to him from the heavens. How could I not believe he went to Jerusalem and came back in a short period of time--when these are on earth?" At that, the Companion, Abu Bakr, was called "as-Siddiq"--because of how strongly he believed all what the Prophet said.


The blasphemous people questioned the Prophet: "If you are truthful, then describe to us Masjid al-Aqsa and its surroundings." They asked this because they knew Prophet Muhammad had never been there before the previous night. Allah enabled the Messenger to see Masjid al-Aqsa, and he described the masjid and its surroundings in exact detail. Moreover, the Prophet said, "On my way back, I saw some of your shepherds grazing their animals in a particular location. They were searching for a camel they had lost." The Prophet continued by giving the description of the camel. When these shepherds came back, they told their people what happened to them--precisely as the Prophet had already told them.


These blasphemers admitted the Prophet's description was exact. Despite that, They did accept Islam. Only those whom Allah willed to be guided, will be guided.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p97c4D2fTqw

ISRA MI'RAJ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mylm0P9srLw

Isra and Miraj (Night Journey) - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

يابانية تسأل كيف انتقل محمد من مكة الى القدس باليلة انها كذبة واضحه - اجابة ذاكر نايك
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxSalrgd1m4

YousufKhan1212
@ennin:

mmogo
Originally posted by MythLord
He was JEWISH. ffs

i think so ... Happy Dance

eninn

MuslimForLife
@ennin: False. The first 2 verses are Jesus differentiating himself from the person of the Father. The third verse is Jesus telling his followers that trusting God is a prerequisite for them to trust Jesus.

Do you like this translation?

YousufKhan1212
@MuslimForLife: Don't do my job for me.

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