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* Prime Wolverine. He cannot use his claws here.

Setting: Colloseum

Starting distance: 100 feet


Who wins?

So Wolverine still has his adamantium skeleton and healing factor?

Logan. He has several superhuman strength and durability feats. Plus he heals

Thor has far more experience and vastly better skill. Logan can heal, but he can be ko'd as far as I recall.

So that's a yes on the healing factor and adamantium skeleton?

Yes. It's Logan, but no claws.

The same Adamantium skeleton that BLOB knocked himself silly on when he headbutted Logan? The same BLOB who punched a tank shell?

Thor's gonna hurt himself hitting Logan, and he has nowhere near enough power behind his hits to KO him, especially with Logan's powers active and in his prime.

Oh, and believe it or not, Logan actually has pretty good combat instincts. Watch Wolverine and Apocalypse when he ducks and bobs and weaves and slides and dodges through people. Far more than human Thor did.

Originally posted by KingD19
The same Adamantium skeleton that BLOB knocked himself silly on when he headbutted Logan? The same BLOB who punched a tank shell?

Thor's gonna hurt himself hitting Logan, and he has nowhere near enough power behind his hits to KO him, especially with Logan's powers active and in his prime.

Oh, and believe it or not, Logan actually has pretty good combat instincts. Watch Wolverine and Apocalypse when he ducks and bobs and weaves and slides and dodges through people. Far more than human Thor did.

Logan stomps.

DP Thor was good - against fodder. He can't take someone like Logan.

A mismatch Logan stomps.

Giving someone i an unbreakable skeleton and healing factor kind of makes this a mismatch. Thor is the better fighter but he'll just hurt himself against Logan's skeleton.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Giving someone i an unbreakable skeleton and healing factor kind of makes this a mismatch. Thor is the better fighter but he'll just hurt himself against Logan's skeleton.
How is Thor a better fighter?

Thor and Logan are actually equal in pure hand to hand. Thor being much better in armed and more versatile with melee weapons. That being said. This is extremely unfair. Having an unbreakable skeleton and healing factor make this spite for Logan against any regular human.he would beat almost anybody that has human stats.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How is Thor a better fighter?

Because he's fought more skilled opponents and faired better against them.

And because Thor has far more feats of showing actual fighting skill instead of just brawling which Wolverine does for 90% of his fights.

^ Nah, healing factor would matter little in a pure h2h fight when the usual way to win is via KO or tap out, as healing factor won't stop you from getting knocked out or getting broken bones.

Wolverine's main advantage in this fight is his adamantium skeleton. The HF is just additional icing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How is Thor a better fighter?

https://s18.postimg.org/s9azp3j15/3g4eer.png

When did abhi get cheerleaders?

Wolverine per stips absolutely annihilates depowered Thor with contemptous ease. Even without the Adamantium hevwins with minor difficulty every time

Originally posted by FrothByte
Because he's fought more skilled opponents and faired better against them.


Like who? Logan has actually matched Shingen in sword fight and then defeated him.

He doesn't. Not even close. Just look at the train fight in The Wolverine. Thor isn't anywhere that skilled.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like who? Logan has actually matched Shingen in sword fight and then defeated him.

He doesn't. Not even close. Just look at the train fight in The Wolverine. Thor isn't anywhere that skilled.

Remind me again which skilled opponents Shingen actually fought?

You mean the train fight where Wolverine had such trouble taking out one thug with a knife?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Remind me again which skilled opponents Shingen actually fought?


He was quoted as a master of martial arts with years of experiences. Like most of your "skilled" opponents for Thor.

He defeated Yukio.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_RU0BJBy4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lVgIWS8_1sU



No, here.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l5unujuHyYo

Thor has never shown such skills.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was quoted as a master of martial arts with years of experiences. Like most of your "skilled" opponents for Thor.

He defeated Yukio.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_RU0BJBy4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lVgIWS8_1sU



No, here.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l5unujuHyYo

Thor has never shown such skills.

In short, Shingen doesn't have much feats to back his skill up. All you have is because someone said he's a master martial artist... sure. Who even said that?

As for the train feat, forward to the 1 minute mark onwards. See how much trouble Wolverine has against 1 thug armed with a knife. Besides, Wolverine somewhat struggled with those 4 thugs. You really think that's a good showcase of his skill? Thor has taken on dozens of frost giants with less difficulty than that.

You can only use depowered Thor feats. He can't do 90% of what he pulls off without his powers.

Originally posted by KingD19
You can only use depowered Thor feats. He can't do 90% of what he pulls off without his powers.

His fighting skill doesn't disappear just because he's depowered. He fought against opponents of similar physical stats with him if not stronger, and he displayed his fighting skill in all of them.

Originally posted by FrothByte
His fighting skill doesn't disappear just because he's depowered. He fought against opponents of similar physical stats with him if not stronger, and he displayed his fighting skill in all of them.

But when he fought them, he was doing stuff like jumping 10 feet and flipping onto Hulk's back, jumping above his head to do a hurricanrana, etc... Things that Thor simply cannot do without his godly form.

Also you can't try and downplay Logan, especially in Apocalypse and Wolverine where he was cutting down scores of people without getting touched.

And who has Thor fought with skills if we're on the topic?
Loki(unfair advantage)
Valkyrie(lost)
Hela(lost)
Destroyer(no)
Kurse(no)
Malekith(not really)
Sakaar Hulk(used his lightning powers)

Most of that list didn't show any fighting skill whatsoever. And he lost to the two who did and had similar physical stats. And had to use his lightning mode to beat Hulk before Grandmaster tazed him.

Originally posted by KingD19
But when he fought them, he was doing stuff like jumping 10 feet and flipping onto Hulk's back, jumping above his head to do a hurricanrana, etc... Things that Thor simply cannot do without his godly form.

Also you can't try and downplay Logan, especially in Apocalypse and Wolverine where he was cutting down scores of people without getting touched.

And who has Thor fought with skills if we're on the topic?
Loki(unfair advantage)
Valkyrie(lost)
Hela(lost)
Destroyer(no)
Kurse(no)
Malekith(not really)
Sakaar Hulk(used his lightning powers)

Most of that list didn't show any fighting skill whatsoever. And he lost to the two who did and had similar physical stats. And had to use his lightning mode to beat Hulk before Grandmaster tazed him.

You mean the scores of fodder that Wolverine were cutting down? That's who you want to base your argument of Wolverine being more skilled?

Thor doesn't have an "unfair" advantage over Loki. Thor is stronger but not by so much that Loki can't mandhandle him if he isn't careful. Just watch their fights and see how Loki can still throw him around and smash his head in if he isn't careful. And Loki has better combat feats than majority of foes Wolverine has fought.

Thor would have killed Hela in their throne room fight. Just so happens that Hela healed from the spear wound Thor gave her. Still, he landed the first kill blow, which shows his superior skill.

Remind me again how Wolverine faired against such skilled opponents as Mystique and Lady Deahtstrike? Those two were running circles around him. Had you taken out the claws and adamantium Wolverine would have lost those fights.

Thor was fast and skilled enough to block Chitauri fire with his hammer. Evaded majority of Hulk's blows. Was fast enough to catch IM's punch in his hand. I don't recall Wolverine doing anything that can compare to those.

And when did Thor ever lose to Valkyrie? I don't recall Thor ever fighting her.

Wolverine stomps.

Originally posted by KingD19
The same Adamantium skeleton that BLOB knocked himself silly on when he headbutted Logan? The same BLOB who punched a tank shell? I'm actually pretty sure this entire movie was retconned

Not that a human Thor has much chance here.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I'm actually pretty sure this entire movie was retconned

Not that a human Thor has much chance here.

Not against a Wolverine that has both adamantium and hf, no.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Not against a Wolverine that has both adamantium and hf, no.

Movie Wolverine also has low-end superstrength. this was an obvious bait thread.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Movie Wolverine also has low-end superstrength. this was an obvious bait thread.

Don't know about that. Multiple humans have easily blocked Wolverine's blows before.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Don't know about that. Multiple humans have easily blocked Wolverine's blows before.

I've seen it argued that he's Cap's equal in strength, but I don't feel like rewatching those crappy movies looking for feats.

WOuldn't say Cap's equal. Although X-24 was insanely strong.

Logan though has blocked hits from the SS robot, which was massive. He chopped off a Sentinel head, and even with unbreakable claws, he had to be strong enough to chop through the whole thing. In Wolverine he was flinging guys 10-15 feet with claw swipes. Etc, etc, ...

Would you agree with low-end superstrength?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Would you agree with low-end superstrength?

Oh, absolutely. It's no doubt he's superhumanly strong; just hard to get an exact gauge as Logan doesn't really do lifting feats aside from X-24 throwing that APC off him if you count that(as 24 was an imperfect clone and therefore Prime Logan should be able to do the same thing)

But yeah, I don't see Mystique for example holding out against the Samurai robot. Or tossing people as casually as Logan. She is strong, and hits damn hard. But he does stuff like stab a guy in the leg while he's on his knees and casually flip him 10 feet away.

Thank you for saving me from having to rewatch those crappy movies.

Like I said, this was an obvious bait thread.

Originally posted by FrothByte
In short, Shingen doesn't have much feats to back his skill up. All you have is because someone said he's a master martial artist... sure. Who even said that?


Just like Thor then? Because which martial artist has he beaten?

He was drastically weakened and still took out several thugs casually. The roof top fight on the train is beyond anything Thor did.

He was weakened by Viper and shot several times.

Frost giants are literally scrubs. Loki was killing them casually and Thor only did that with mjolnir.

No skills except throwing a hammer.

Originally posted by KingD19
The same Adamantium skeleton that BLOB knocked himself silly on when he headbutted Logan? The same BLOB who punched a tank shell?

Thor's gonna hurt himself hitting Logan, and he has nowhere near enough power behind his hits to KO him, especially with Logan's powers active and in his prime.

Oh, and believe it or not, Logan actually has pretty good combat instincts. Watch Wolverine and Apocalypse when he ducks and bobs and weaves and slides and dodges through people. Far more than human Thor did.