Originally posted by cdtm
Is that because you believe Black > Goku blue? Or that #17 isn't really blue level?
#17 isn't really blue level, based on the black hole episode, to be honest.
The issue is that, from what I've read, different writers are in charge of writing different episodes for Toei, so in that sense, there's a lot of inconsistencies in terms of Goku's portrayal.
For example, you have Berzerk Kale beating the ever-living crap out of SSJB Goku, then later on SSJ2 Goku, who also happens to be tired as shit, is holding up against the "far more powerful" Mastered Berzerk Kale AND SSJ2 Caulifla. Regular SSJG proceeds to destroy them.
Another example is Goku's base form. Originally in the anime, they followed with RoF in that base Goku was a saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God. This is why Base Goku was able to stalemate/defeat Final Form Frieza in RoF (who at this point was casually stomping SS Gohan like he was Nail in his first form).
Then in the very next arc, we have Base Goku seemingly struggling with 3rd Form Frost. We have absolutely no reason to believe Base Goku would be on the level of Final Form Frost.
Naturally, we'd say, "Well, I guess Final Form Frost is stronger than Final Form Frieza." The issue with this is that Piccolo was pretty relative to FF Frost in the U6 tournament, whereas First Form Frieza was CLOWNING someone that could one-shot Piccolo (at least in the context of the RoF Arc) in SS Gohan.
Then we have things like regular SSJ2 Trunks straight-up punting Rose Black into a wall, the Krillin episode, the Gohan episode, and the Android 17 shenanigans.
But equally so, we have things like RoF, the Potaufeu arc (where base Vegeta is easily stomping SSJ3 Gotenks,) and the recent episodes where Goku was clowning Kale and Caulifla, to indicate that his powers, even in Base Form, INFINITELY exceed the rest of the Z Fighters.
Even the last episode had Mystic Gohan outperforming Blue Goku and Vegeta. But I can guarantee that in the next episode, SSJG Goku will be superior again.
Essentially, I think we'd have to look to the manga to find an accurate assessment of how Goku stacks up to the Z-Fighters. /rant over
Very interesting stuff going on here.