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Cell gets wished back and trains in the ROSAT for 6 years with Zamasu as his sparring partner. After exiting the ROSAT, he immediately challenges Jiren. Who wins?

Jiren

Jiren stomps.

I assume the thread is meant to based on Frieza's ridiculousness? It took him what, 4 months to get to initial SSJB levels? Cell has his...cells...so I assume he'd be able to replicate the feat in super, and given 6 years of training, with multiple near death power ups, I could see him coming out of the chamber and strangling Jiren.

Cell would win in a single attack.

Currently, Jiren wins.

However, once the ToP arc is over, Cell would win.

Based on logical power-scaling, Cell should honestly rofl-stomp Jiren.

Look at Freeza: with a mere 4 MONTHS of training, he boosted his power from BELOW what it was on Namek to no less than SSB/God-level... And as we learned when Goku resurrected him for the ToP, that's not even Freeza's limit -- it's just what he was able to attain within that 4 months. Just meditating in hell after his defeat in RoF made him FAR more powerful, for example... Yeah, Cell has THAT potential, and also starts out at a MUCH higher level than Freeza initially did.

Cell also has the potential of Goku + Vegeta + Gohan(and we've seen the gargantuan leaps they can make in short periods of time since DBS), and also receives zenkais from battle and whatnot.

A being with a theoretical potential of THAT magnitude training for SIX YEARS with Zamasu, who is one of the best technical fighters in the franchise... I cannot even imagine the power he could attain.

Golden SSB Super-Perfect Cell /w/ 50xKK? Who f*cking knows, lol?

They both get one-shot by Zeno. /shrug

Anyways, Cell should definitely get to the point where he beats Jiren, but he'll need someone a helluva lot stronger than Zamasu to take him there.

Assuming he'd need a partner at all, lol. Goku and Vegeta always get stronger training on their own, compared to with partners. The same goes for Frieza.

Uhh, Frieza trained with a weakling (Tagoma) to reach Golden form in 4 months. Cell should be just fine.

And Tagoma was in, what? Zarbon and Dodoria's class? Lawl...

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Uhh, Frieza trained with a weakling (Tagoma) to reach Golden form in 4 months. Cell should be just fine.

I don't remember him training with Tagoma. Scans?

It was in the anime DBS RoF arc. Tagoma wasn't the nobody that he was in the RoF movie.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
It was in the anime DBS RoF arc. Tagoma wasn't the nobody that he was in the RoF movie.

Oh, that's why I don't remember it, lol. I didn't watch that arc.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Oh, that's why I don't remember it, lol. I didn't watch that arc.
Found the training part/flashback but it wasn't in english. :/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUCbC7yFZoA

But yeah. Aside from that, the only interesting thing that happened in the RoF arc (contrary to the movie) was the return of Ginyu where he took over Tagoma's body from the frog after seeing how powerful he was, though was killed by Vegeta after he and Goku arrived back on the scene.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
They both get one-shot by Zeno. /shrug

Anyways, Cell should definitely get to the point where he beats Jiren, but he'll need someone a helluva lot stronger than Zamasu to take him there.

Assuming he'd need a partner at all, lol. Goku and Vegeta always get stronger training on their own, compared to with partners. The same goes for Frieza.

Zamasu would also grow considerably stronger in the meantime, would probably become a powerhouse himself with such constant serious training.

Cell destroys Jiren.

Originally posted by Inedian
Zamasu would also grow considerably stronger in the meantime, would probably become a powerhouse himself with such constant serious training. Most definitely.

After all, Tagoma was originally stated to be Zarbon/Dodoria-level, which puts his initial PL around 23,000. After training with Freeza, however, Tagoma had become so powerful that he could effortlessly(and I mean effortlessly) stomp RoF Piccolo, and was implied to be FAR above RoF Gohan as well... And that was with just FOUR MONTHS of training. Granted, Tagoma was stated to receive a zenkai of sorts each time he was healed from battling Freeza, but still... His gains are f*cking asinine.


That said, imagine a *true* prodigy like Zamasu training with a *true* prodigy like Cell for SIX YEARS, non-stop... It's hard to even fathom the gains they would BOTH undoubtedly make, tbh.

He was implied to be far above RoF Gohan? But didn't Gohan deck him once he went SSJ?

Worse still, he was so weak at the time that he couldn't even sustain his SSJ for long periods of time. He'd have to be at namek-saga levels for that to even make sense, although that completely turns the Piccolo scaling on its head. Just another example of anime!Super's power scaling being retarded...

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He was implied to be far above RoF Gohan? But didn't Gohan deck him once he went SSJ?

Worse still, he was so weak at the time that he couldn't even sustain his SSJ for long periods of time. He'd have to be at namek-saga levels for that to even make sense, although that completely turns the Piccolo scaling on its head. Just another example of anime!Super's power scaling being retarded... After sensing his energy, Gohan himself stated that Tagoma was on par with his Boo-era Ultimate/Mystic self:
https://i.imgur.com/TVy8avG.jpg


...But after Ginyu possessed Tagoma's body, he proceeded to casually ragdoll base Gohan+Piccolo+Krillin+Roshi+Tien, before getting stomped by SSJ Gohan(who, as you mentioned, was just a sad shade of his former self at the time.)

And even though Jaco mentioned something about Ginyu possibly being able to maximize Tagoma's powers because he was a 'more experienced fighter' or w/e, I do not believe that was actually the case in the slightest. After all, the last sentient being that Ginyu possessed before Tagoma, was Goku... And when Ginyu first possessed Goku's body, he could only tap a small fraction of his power because he wasn't yet acclimated to the new vessel:
https://i.imgur.com/n6UrzBW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CbXDDSP.jpg

So why would Tagoma's body be any different? I mean, it's not like Ginyu could have possibly improved his body-swap technique, and/or the rate at which he acclimated with a new host, given that he had been trapped inside a phucking FROG since the Namek saga, lol. That said, I am going to assume the same thing that happened with Goku's body happened with Tagoma's body as well: Ginyu could only use a small fraction of his powers, because he was not yet acclimated to the body... I mean, Ginyu himself did mention that much, at least:
https://i.imgur.com/LiWc5wh.jpg
srug

...It's the only way I can rationalize the HUGE discrepancy in Tagoma's power there... But I suppose trying to 'rationalize' inconsistencies with DBS power-scaline is inherently stupid in itself... F*ck me... g_twitch

I do like to think that Ginyu weakened Tagoma/didn't have full access to his power like with Namek arrival Goku, as it's the only way to make sense of how he lost to a weak Gohan, whom Tagoma had one-shotted beforehand along with Shisami.

Ginyu couldn't utilize Goku power at all in Frieza Saga, so no difference when he had Tagoma body.

7% power level of Tagoma is what? Maybe Ginya has a shot.

Cell repented he's a pussy

too many different people in him

Freeza has that laser focus and hate like a lightsaber weilding anakin surrounded by innocent children

Cell would get bored after the first month and start raising Cell jrs or some shit

Jiren wins.

Cell isn't overcoming that much of a gap.

Yes, he is.

Only if you assume he'd receive the exact same gains as the Saiyans and Frieza. But even then it's doubtful IMO.

Cell at his best was SSJ2 level. Jiren is GOD level. The difference is just too much.

^ Freeza went from being weaker than he was on Namek to SSB-level, with 4 months of training.... Vegeta ascended from SSJ2 to SSB, with ~1 year of training... Android #17 went from below Imperfect Cell-level, to current SSJ3 Goku-level, just by apprehending no-name/human poachers for the last few years... Goku was able to access UI just by breaking through his shell, and unlocking his deeper potential. Etc.

...Cell has the potential of ALL the aforementioned characters(and more) + SIX YEARS of continuous training with Zamasu, who is one of the best technical fighters in the mythos.

Aside from that, Cell also receives zenkais from severe injuries and such(that's how he attained his 'Super-Perfect' form, after all)... And zenkais are still very much relevant in DBS -- it's why Saiyans get continuously more powerful in the heat of battle, and also why Goku and Vegeta are so much more powerful now than they were in RoF, for example... Not to mention Black, who was pretty much a walking zenkai. /shrug

I also don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for Cell to learn the Kaioken technique. After all, Cell boasted that he could probably generate a Genki Dama if he wanted:
https://i.imgur.com/qo2XAg3.jpg
Even though it's bullshit(an evil being like Cell cannot create a Genki Dama), Cell's statement at least tells us that he has full working knowledge of the techniques Goku learned from King Kai... Which makes sense, considering Goku's cells were harvested when he fought Vegeta during the Saiyan saga(wherein he used both the Genki Dama AND Kaioken.) If Cell knows about one, he logically MUST know about the other... And if he knows about Kaioken, it *should* be attainable for him, but I digress...


Regardless, I see no reason why Cell couldn't exceed Jiren/GoD-level, all things considered..? As mentioned, his theoretical potential is absolutely staggering. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Android #17 went from below Imperfect Cell-level, to current SSJ3 Goku-level, just by apprehending no-name/human poachers for the last few years...

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Yes, this. And people thought Super Android 17 was bad, lol.

He was. GT made 17 completely unlikable as a character, an emo b*tch.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
Cell repented he's a pussy

too many different people in him

Freeza has that laser focus and hate like a lightsaber weilding anakin surrounded by innocent children

Cell would get bored after the first month and start raising Cell jrs or some shit


That line of thinking must be what made Toei give us this Dabura.

https://i.imgur.com/OmQWDEo.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
laughcry

Yes, this. And people thought Super Android 17 was bad, lol. And the manga actually watered down the showing considerably. In the anime, #17 was sparring evenly with SSB Goku, lol.

S17 was an absolute shit character. DBS #17 is fantastic... How dare you compare them!!! sly