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The battle takes place on Crait. Who wins?

Round 1: Canon

Round 2: Legends

Savage. A dark side Qui-Gon Jinn wouldn't be able to Force Choke Darth Tyranus even on his best day.

Qui Gon dies.


Then he kills Savage with lightning.

Savage wins Canon; loses legends

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Qui Gon dies.


Then he kills Savage with lightning.

Lol What?

I could see this going either way.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Qui Gon dies.


Then he kills Savage with lightning.

Originally posted by Geistalt
Savage. A dark side Qui-Gon Jinn wouldn't be able to Force Choke Darth Tyranus even on his best day.

Most of the Jedi would be able to do that, if Dooku would ignore them and lowered his guard against them.

Qui Gon wins sabers. Savage wins force and all out.

Yeah, and as has been repeated time immemorial, anybody can Tk, lift etc. anybody when the opponent hasn't countered with a gesture. There are no "barriers" at all in canon, only counters through gestures.

Jinn wins both.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Yeah, and as has been repeated time immemorial, anybody can Tk, lift etc. anybody when the opponent hasn't countered with a gesture. There are no "barriers" at all in canon, only counters through gestures.

I don't think, that gesture is needed. Vader could choking without a gesture. Perhaps against Force push.
Anyway, Force guard / barrier pretty much exists, I think. But if you're discracted, your guard/barrier is lowered. That's in my opinion the reason, why Dooku was capable of owining Kenobi with the Force - he overhelmed in a saber lock and thrown off-balance. Kenobi was discracted and lowered his guard. Dooku, Kylo Ren lowered their guards against their masters, as it would be a challenge if they would not - it's a maseter's right to punish his apprentice.

Force "defenses" exist, yeah, but you "have" to gesture for them.

I mean, this is illustrated as clearly as it can in TCW. Check out Anakin's fight with Ventress.

We are talking about defense here, not offense. And Vader's tier of force power and mastery is higher than someone like Dooku's( as it rightfully should be, he's got more potential, and much better Sith training). If I had to guess, I'd say that Vader is midway between Dooku and Palpatine.

To my knowledge in canon, nobody has repelled force based attacks without a gesture.

That said, you are also right, of course.