Superman (DCEU) vs. Apocalypse and his horsemen (Fox)

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The Ellimist
Battle starts in the middle of Times Square.

- no civilians
- bloodlusted
- aware of each other's abilities
- Apoc and Magneto start with shields up
- No telepathy

FrothByte
If Apoc and Magneto start with shields up they might stand a chance. I mean, as long as the shields hold, maybe Apoc can suffocate him with sand or something. Don't see what Magneto can do though. His biggest attacks are too slow. Probably just run interference on Superman.

The rest of the horsemen are useless in this fight.

Josh_Alexander
Apoc wins.

He was able to stop Quicksilver...Once he does that Magneto and the Horse Men finish the job.

The Ellimist
After getting hit like a half dozen times he finally...what, sticks Quicksilver in some dirt? What's he going to do to stop Superman?

Adam Grimes
Superman laughs at them, and spare their lives after scolding Apoc and Mags.

Impediment
Arguably, Quicksilver is faster than both JL Flash and Superman. Apocalypse was able to take out QS.

Apoc could possibly do the same to Supes, but I don't know if a wooden root would have the same result.

Zack M
I don't see Apoc putting Supes down physically.

Adam Grimes
Originally posted by Impediment
Arguably, Quicksilver is faster than both JL Flash and Superman. Apocalypse was able to take out QS.

Apoc could possibly do the same to Supes, but I don't know if a wooden root would have the same result. That was quite an outlier for Apoc and even then Superman is infinity> Peter in stats all around.

FrothByte
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
That was quite an outlier for Apoc and even then Superman is infinity> Peter in stats all around.

Not in speed he isn't.

Adam Grimes
I agreed with that already friend. thumb up

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by The Ellimist
After getting hit like a half dozen times he finally...what, sticks Quicksilver in some dirt? What's he going to do to stop Superman?

You dont know the density if that "dirt". What makes you think Superman can do any better than Quicksilver!?

Once Apoc reduces Supes speed Magneto makes him a true man of steel!

Apoc team stomps.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by Zack M
I don't see Apoc putting Supes down physically.

Magneto can. Apoc would only serve to slow superman down so Magneto manages to impale.

The Ellimist
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You dont know the density if that "dirt". What makes you think Superman can do any better than Quicksilver!?

Once Apoc reduces Supes speed Magneto makes him a true man of steel!

Apoc team stomps.

How does he break out of it again? Doesn't Beast save him or something?

SquallX
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You dont know the density if that "dirt". What makes you think Superman can do any better than Quicksilver!?

Once Apoc reduces Supes speed Magneto makes him a true man of steel!

Apoc team stomps.

Right? Because a guy that survived being nuked, being blasted by heat vision, survived reentry is totally going to be stop by dirt.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by The Ellimist
How does he break out of it again? Doesn't Beast save him or something?

What?

Originally posted by SquallX
Right? Because a guy that survived being nuked, being blasted by heat vision, survived reentry is totally going to be stop by dirt.

Not stop, but slowed.

BruceSkywalker
Kal stomps

Adam Grimes
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Magneto can. Apoc would only serve to slow superman down so Magneto manages to impale. Lol

SquallX
Bloodlusted Superman toss them into the sun.

Surtur
This is an utter stomp for Superman.

Surtur
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
What?



Not stop, but slowed.

You said impale. Why would he be able to impale Superman? He doesn't have anything strong enough to impale him with. He's far more durable than Apocalypse.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by Surtur
You said impale. Why would he be able to impale Superman? He doesn't have anything strong enough to impale him with. He's far more durable than Apocalypse.

With metals. If Doomsday was able to pierce Superman why wouldn't Magneto?

WolvesofBabylon
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
With metals. If Doomsday was able to pierce Superman why wouldn't Magneto?

Ugh possibly because Superman was carrying a giant spear made of Kryptonite?

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
Ugh possibly because Superman was carrying a giant spear made of Kryptonite?

And? I dont recall kryptonite somehow reducing Superman's skin density.

The Ellimist
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
And? I dont recall kryptonite somehow reducing Superman's skin density.

I'm pretty sure kryptonite weakens his durability, lol. We don't know the specific mechanism (in the comics it would weaken his s-shield) but it seems pretty obviously the case.

That's my issue with buying that Apoc and co. can win - they have no realistic pathway to hurting him, even if we assume they can somehow tag him.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by The Ellimist
I'm pretty sure kryptonite weakens his durability, lol. We don't know the specific mechanism (in the comics it would weaken his s-shield) but it seems pretty obviously the case.

That's my issue with buying that Apoc and co. can win - they have no realistic pathway to hurting him, even if we assume they can somehow tag him.

As you yourself claimed. You dont know the exact mechanism. So isnt like Superman's skin is invulnerable

Magneto was ablee to influence the metal at a planetary level

JL Superman dies the moment Apoc reduces his speed. Magneto would crush Superman with all that metal.

The Ellimist
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
As you yourself claimed. You dont know the exact mechanism. So isnt like Superman's skin is invulnerable


Sure, Superman isn't invulnerable, but he can lolnope conventional weaponry and survive a nuke so I'm not sure how scrap metal or sand are going to hurt him.



Yeah but he can't concentrate that meaningfully for this fight - against Apoc he was only able to fling a bunch of nearby metal at him at high speeds, but he wasn't doing anything on a planetary level of power.



How does Apoc "reduce his speed"? He caught QS with like a root or something, that's not going to do jack against Superman.



How?

1. How does he hit Superman?
2. How does he hurt Superman with a bunch of flying metal debris?

Surtur
This is a stomp for Supes lol. To suggest his getting shanked when kryptonite was in play has any bearing on this is insane.

Kryptonite weakens him, period.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Sure, Superman isn't invulnerable, but he can lolnope conventional weaponry and survive a nuke so I'm not sure how scrap metal or sand are going to hurt him.



Yeah but he can't concentrate that meaningfully for this fight - against Apoc he was only able to fling a bunch of nearby metal at him at high speeds, but he wasn't doing anything on a planetary level of power.



How does Apoc "reduce his speed"? He caught QS with like a root or something, that's not going to do jack against Superman.



How?

1. How does he hit Superman?
2. How does he hurt Superman with a bunch of flying metal debris?

No, but a vast amount will hurt him. We have seen Doomsday's strength outpowering and even weakening Superman.

A large amount of metal or sand constantly hitting him would be devastating. Even for Superman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99wnrf4jhH0

Watch that video. I don't see Superman surviving that.

Apocalypse has TK. He also has control over Sands and apparently soil.

That wasn't a root!


Originally posted by Surtur
This is a stomp for Supes lol. To suggest his getting shanked when kryptonite was in play has any bearing on this is insane.

Kryptonite weakens him, period.

Kryptonite weakens Superman. It's like poison to him.

Doesn't mean that you can pierce Superman with a knife just because you have kryptonite near him.

Besides, Doomsday beat Superman's ass way before the Spear was a factor.

Magneto and Apocalypse > Doomsday.

MoS loses this one.

The Ellimist
So they have to do two things* to hurt Superman:

1. Catch him (how? Root or not that thing Apoc used on QS wouldn't do jack to Supes).

2. Hurt him (how? Doomsday rivals Superman in strength, a bunch of flying debris doesn't, and not sure if just having more of it would change anything).

* Of course we're conveniently ignoring the fact that Superman can attack too.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by The Ellimist
So they have to do two things* to hurt Superman:

1. Catch him (how? Root or not that thing Apoc used on QS wouldn't do jack to Supes).

2. Hurt him (how? Doomsday rivals Superman in strength, a bunch of flying debris doesn't, and not sure if just having more of it would change anything).

* Of course we're conveniently ignoring the fact that Superman can attack too.

1. What makes you think it wouldn't?

I am not saying that the root/sand/soil would completly stop him like it did QS. But certainly it would reduce his speed.

Sand controled by Apoc or TK could be used to slow Superman to a point in where Magneto and the other riders would be able to attack him.

2. Lol. A bunch of large metal debris moving at high speed you mean.

If we apply science, add the weigh of such metals plus the speed....The amount of force being applied certainly would rival that of a punch from Doomsday.

Plus, you are ignoring the fact that the Metals could possibly harm Superman.

The Ellimist
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1. What makes you think it wouldn't?


Superman flies at hypersonic speeds, casually lifts up office buildings, casually flies through missiles and casually flies through skyscrapers. Sand and soil are going to noticeably slow him?

Mind you, since Superman will be flying Apoc can't just blindside him with something sticking out from the ground, if he tries to fling sand at Supes, the sand will literally look like they're suspended in the air to him. There's no evidence Apoc can hurl that sand at like mach 1000 either.



Yes. See above.



Well two can play this game: by flying at the hypersonic speeds he does in MoS etc. Superman is tanking more force from sheer air resistance, and certainly when he then casually flies through steel structures, etc.

But Superman, Doomsday, etc.'s punches and whatever don't seem to scale that way, or else there's no way Supes could lift structures that heavy without the ground collapsing.



How are metals going to harm Superman? Missiles do nothing to him, physical impacts do nothing to him, the only non-kryptonite thing to really hurt him was a f*cking nuclear bomb.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by The Ellimist
the only non-kryptonite thing to really hurt him was a f*cking nuclear bomb.

Ohhhh Yes!!!!

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Battle starts in the middle of Times Square.

- no civilians
- bloodlusted
- aware of each other's abilities
- Apoc and Magneto start with shields up
- No telepathy

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They are in time's square which means that they are on Earth.

Magneto has control over metal all over the world. Which includes Nukes.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Superman flies at hypersonic speeds, casually lifts up office buildings, casually flies through missiles and casually flies through skyscrapers. Sand and soil are going to noticeably slow him?

Mind you, since Superman will be flying Apoc can't just blindside him with something sticking out from the ground, if he tries to fling sand at Supes, the sand will literally look like they're suspended in the air to him. There's no evidence Apoc can hurl that sand at like mach 1000 either.



Yes. See above.



Well two can play this game: by flying at the hypersonic speeds he does in MoS etc. Superman is tanking more force from sheer air resistance, and certainly when he then casually flies through steel structures, etc.

But Superman, Doomsday, etc.'s punches and whatever don't seem to scale that way, or else there's no way Supes could lift structures that heavy without the ground collapsing.



How are metals going to harm Superman? Missiles do nothing to him, physical impacts do nothing to him, the only non-kryptonite thing to really hurt him was a f*cking nuclear bomb.

Apocalypse TK is enough to slow Superman's speed.

Superman is on the losing side here Ellimist.

The Ellimist
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Ohhhh Yes!!!!



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They are in time's square which means that they are on Earth.

Magneto has control over metal all over the world. Which includes Nukes.

Lol good luck finding and then tagging with nukes a massively hypersonic guy to whom you look like a statue.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Lol good luck finding and then tagging with nukes a massively hypersonic guy to whom you look like a statue.

Apocalypse uses TK to stop him. (Since you want to exclude the root/earth feat)

The Ellimist
There's no evidence that Apoc's TK can overpower Superman, it certainly hasn't ever stopped anyone close to his strength and speed before.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by The Ellimist
There's no evidence that Apoc's TK can overpower Superman, it certainly hasn't ever stopped anyone close to his strength and speed before.

He has picked 100s if not 1000s of tons with it. Why should Superman hold any more resistance?

The Ellimist
Much like Magneto, it isn't clear that his pyramid creating TK can just be focused on a single person, given that he noticeably fails to do this against the likes of Beast, etc. In either case, Superman can fly at hypersonic speeds and easily lift that much too, soooo...

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Much like Magneto, it isn't clear that his pyramid creating TK can just be focused on a single person, given that he noticeably fails to do this against the likes of Beast, etc. In either case, Superman can fly at hypersonic speeds and easily lift that much too, soooo...

Maybe because never needed to.

But at the lights of someone like Superman....He could depict such thing.

That's speculation. He has been seen lifting Enormous objects yet he can't pick a single person? Naah, that's speculation.

Stigma
Supes approaches Apocalypse in super speed (similar to QS). But one of Supes' punches tears off Apocalypse's hesd. He then proceeds to BFR the Horsemen into space. / thread

John Murdoch
Originally posted by Stigma
Supes approaches Apocalypse in super speed (similar to QS). But one of Supes' punches tears off Apocalypse's hesd. He then proceeds to BFR the Horsemen into space. / thread

Game, blouses.

Apoc caught QS because he had an on-demand mutant power up his sleeve that allowed him to react to speed of Quicksilver's caliber, then stop him with an earth tendril.

If Apoc has to wait around for Super to hit him several times before he activates this power, Apoc will be mashed potatoes.

Psylocke, Storm, and Angel are non-factors.

Mags can't react to Superman, he gets uppercutted into the vacuum of space.

KingD19
Originally posted by John Murdoch
Game, blouses.

Apoc caught QS because he had an on-demand mutant power up his sleeve that allowed him to react to speed of Quicksilver's caliber, then stop him with an earth tendril.

If Apoc has to wait around for Super to hit him several times before he activates this power, Apoc will be mashed potatoes.

Psylocke, Storm, and Angel are non-factors.

Mags can't react to Superman, he gets uppercutted into the vacuum of space.

Why would Superman use his speed on Magneto? Has he ever used it on anyone aside from Flash who he actually needed it for?

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by John Murdoch
Game, blouses.

Apoc caught QS because he had an on-demand mutant power up his sleeve that allowed him to react to speed of Quicksilver's caliber, then stop him with an earth tendril.

If Apoc has to wait around for Super to hit him several times before he activates this power, Apoc will be mashed potatoes.

Psylocke, Storm, and Angel are non-factors.

Mags can't react to Superman, he gets uppercutted into the vacuum of space.

As the OP stated both sides have knowledge over the other.

In that aspect Apocalypse knows of Superman's speed. If Apoc stopped QS then Superman gets stopped. Period.

Superman loses this one.

Surtur
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Kryptonite weakens Superman. It's like poison to him.

Doesn't mean that you can pierce Superman with a knife just because you have kryptonite near him.

Besides, Doomsday beat Superman's ass way before the Spear was a factor.

Magneto and Apocalypse > Doomsday.

MoS loses this one.

The things you are saying have no basis in reality. It weakens him, just overall. Everything would dip. Yes, you can shank him if he's being exposed to kryptonite.

Surtur
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
As the OP stated both sides have knowledge over the other.

In that aspect Apocalypse knows of Superman's speed. If Apoc stopped QS then Superman gets stopped. Period.

Superman loses this one.

He needed to acclimate himself to the speed of QS before he reacted. He won't have time with Superman.

Surtur
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Ohhhh Yes!!!!



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They are in time's square which means that they are on Earth.

Magneto has control over metal all over the world. Which includes Nukes.

Okay what in gods name are you talking about lol. You think Magneto is going to track down nukes, and summon them all the way to NYC before Superman can react?

It's not like a stockpile of nuclear bombs is sitting beneath Times Square. He'd end up killing himself and Apocalypse as well lol. Their shields most definitely wouldn't protect them from a nuke.

The Ellimist
Originally posted by KingD19
Why would Superman use his speed on Magneto? Has he ever used it on anyone aside from Flash who he actually needed it for?

He used it on Steppenwolf and Wonder Woman.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by Surtur
The things you are saying have no basis in reality. It weakens him, just overall. Everything would dip. Yes, you can shank him if he's being exposed to kryptonite.

You do not know for sure that Doomsday was able to pierce him entirely due to the Kryptonite.

That is an assumption!

Originally posted by Surtur
He needed to acclimate himself to the speed of QS before he reacted. He won't have time with Superman.

Because he didnt know of quicksilver. In this case he is very well aware of Superman's super speed.

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay what in gods name are you talking about lol. You think Magneto is going to track down nukes, and summon them all the way to NYC before Superman can react?

It's not like a stockpile of nuclear bombs is sitting beneath Times Square. He'd end up killing himself and Apocalypse as well lol. Their shields most definitely wouldn't protect them from a nuke.

Yes. Why not? He did in X Men First Class.

Not if Apocalypse uses his TK to send Superman to outer space. Magneto could also use metals to kove superman away from them.

Khazra Reborn
Apocalypse has the power of plot, he wins.

Surtur
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You do not know for sure that Doomsday was able to pierce him entirely due to the Kryptonite.

That is an assumption!

We know kryptonite weakens him. It's kinda difficult to assume it played no part.




Not a good excuse though, he certainly would have known of him once the first punch was landed, and QS landed more than one punch.




Those missiles were close to him. There is no way he brings nukes to him before Superman gets him. And what would be the point? He and Apocalypse would both die in the explosion.

And when did Apocalypse show enough power to TK someone into space? Not to mention Superman could just fly back long before he reached space.

Adam Grimes
But QS is considerably faster than Superman.

Surtur
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
But QS is considerably faster than Superman.

Maybe, but all Supes needs is one punch to f*ck Apocalypse up. I've seen nothing to suggest he can wipe Superman out before 1 hit.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by Surtur
We know kryptonite weakens him. It's kinda difficult to assume it played no part.




Not a good excuse though, he certainly would have known of him once the first punch was landed, and QS landed more than one punch.




Those missiles were close to him. There is no way he brings nukes to him before Superman gets him. And what would be the point? He and Apocalypse would both die in the explosion.

And when did Apocalypse show enough power to TK someone into space? Not to mention Superman could just fly back long before he reached space.

So you are saying that without the Kryptonite near Doomsday spike wouldnt have been able to pierce Superman!???

laughing out loud I doubt so.

Its called prep time.

More than 1 punch in a matter of seconds. So you can already see how fast Apocalypse adapted to his speed.

No need. Apocalypse will have Superman tamed while Magneto brings the nukes.

Doesnt need to be outerspace. Just distance enough for Apocalypse's shields to be able to protect them all.

Apocalypse was able to move thousands of tons without much effort. Superman gets overpowered.

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