Knightfall Vader runs the sabers gauntlet

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The Ellimist
Legends (which includes novelizations)
Sabers + passive Force powers only
Full heal blah blah blah

1. DoE Bane
2. RotJ Vader
3. TCW Mace Windu
4. Darth Caedus
5. RotS Sidious
6. DE Sidious
7. TUF Luke
8. LotF Luke
9. Oneness Jacen Solo

AncientPower
7 & 8 are 50/50, he dies at 9.

Geistalt
5 is 50/50; dies at 6.

AncientPower
LMAO.

Geistalt
I'm being generous; a lot of people would argue that he wasn't RotS Palpatine's equal, and that he was flat-out inferior.

AncientPower
Those people are directly contradicting Canon.

The Merchant
5 but Anakin can win.

McP
Clears

hutchy1345
4

The Ellimist
Originally posted by AncientPower
7 & 8 are 50/50, he dies at 9.

Why's that?

Kurk
6 or 7 for the minority

Azronger
6 or 7

AncientPower
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Why's that?

Because everybody prior to 7 has fvck all chance of surviving KF!Vader in pure sabers.

The Ellimist
But what does he have to put him on Luke's level, or DE Sidious's?

Azronger
Originally posted by The Ellimist
But what does he have to put him on Luke's level, or DE Sidious's?

Still not sure on whether Palpatine's speed feats during DE are so much better than in RotJ that he'd surpass Knightfall Vader

The Ellimist
Originally posted by Azronger
Still not sure on whether Palpatine's speed feats during DE are so much better than in RotJ that he'd surpass Knightfall Vader

He grows stronger from RotS -> RotJ, then RotJ -> DE, and is in a younger body. It's not trivial to conclude that KF Vader is superior just because some quotes suggest he was above RotS Sidious.

Azronger
Nah, KF Vader is pretty soldily beyond RotS Sidious in sabers. Not sure if DE Palpatine can eclipse that just because he's infinitely more powerful in the Force.

The Ellimist
Originally posted by Azronger
Nah, KF Vader is pretty soldily beyond RotS Sidious in sabers. Not sure if DE Palpatine can eclipse that just because he's infinitely more powerful in the Force.

Wait, are you kidding? "Infinitely more powerful in the Force" seems to matter quite a bit, but sorry if I'm missing the sarcasm.

Azronger
No sarcasm, just that I don't think he's definitively beyond KF Anakin in just based on that. Not that I don't think he could be, I'm just not too confident to make that conclusion with too vague evidence

The Ellimist
The literature seems confused over Knightfall Vader / Anakin vs. RotS Sidious, given that some sources say Vader, some say Sidious, Sidious himself says Vader eventually but not yet, etc. I tend to reconcile these into "Vader has more sheer power but Sidious is still all-around more "powerful" practically", and say that Knightfall Vader would win in sabers because that tends to favor the former.

But DE Sidious is sufficiently above RotS Sidious that I think it's a stretch to say Vader would still win.

Azronger
Feats would suggest even base Anakin > Sidious, though, given how he clobbered Dooku

The Ellimist
Not base Anakin.

Azronger
Yes smile

LordOfTheLight
Stops at DE Sidious.

Ursumeles
Not convinced that Luke > Sidious. At least not as of TUF.

The Ellimist
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Not convinced that Luke > Sidious. At least not as of TUF.

As a duelist I'm pretty sure he surpasses Sidious before then.

Ursumeles
It's certainly possible, but Sidious has better feats, honestly.

The Ellimist
Originally posted by Ursumeles
It's certainly possible, but Sidious has better feats, honestly.

I mean Luke kinda has the best feat...beating DE Sidious. And he's grown far more powerful since.

(with some battle meditation from an untrained Leia that just unlocked some of his potential, it wasn't played as that significant and IIRC some sources don't even bother to mention it)

Ursumeles
Well, outside of this circumstancial feat, Sidious' feats are better. Luke is arguably better based on scaling, though.
As in, he should be better, but it isn't exactly clear

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