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Well, had similar thread with Avengers vs. Mutants but tbh we all know this is the main event


Both are at their peak, bloodlusted.

T'Challa is in his suit. Logan has adamantium claws.


Setting: An abandoned warehouse in Gotham Harbor

Starting distance: 100 feet


Who wins?

BP stomps.

Black Panther gets to open a Christmas present on Christmas Eve. The present: Wolverine, opened using his vibranium claws.

BP wins

Wolverine mutilates BP. As simple as that.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Wolverine mutilates BP. As simple as that.

Lol. No.

Panther wins

Not sure how we judge adamantium vs. vibranium, because if they're comparable then Logan probably wins by virtue of his healing factor.

Healing factors don't stop people from being ko'd.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Not sure how we judge adamantium vs. vibranium, because if they're comparable then Logan probably wins by virtue of his healing factor.

If they're comparable then Wolverine won't be able to cut through BP's suit, same way a steel sword cannot cut through a steel breastplate.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Lol. No.

Yes lol.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Healing factors don't stop people from being ko'd.

Vibranium wont stop Adamantium! Not anymore. Since MCU bought Fox Adamantium's feats now belong to MCU.

BP dies.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If they're comparable then Wolverine won't be able to cut through BP's suit, same way a steel sword cannot cut through a steel breastplate.

Adamantium》Vibranium.

Admantium slices Vibranium.

Per screen feats. Movie Vibranium >>> movie Adamantium

Originally posted by Silent Master
Per screen feats. Movie Vibranium >>> movie Adamantium

Screen feats matter none when information is concern!

Per Marvel Adamantium>>>>>Vibranium.

Now that Adamantium belongs to MCU this information is canon and takes presedence over feats.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Adamantium》Vibranium.

Admantium slices Vibranium.

No on screen proof of this. Per MCU, Vibranium is indesctructible. Per Fox, adamantium is indestructible. So what happens when two indestructible metals come together? Nothing. They create sparks but they don't damage each other. Therefore, Wolverine's claws won't damage BP's suit and BP's claws won't cut through Wolverine's skeleton.

If you want to claim otherwise you'll have to provide on screen proof.

Screen feat don't matter.

LOL!!!!!!!

Originally posted by FrothByte
No on screen proof of this. Per MCU, Vibranium is indesctructible. Per Fox, adamantium is indestructible. So what happens when two indestructible metals come together? Nothing. They create sparks but they don't damage each other. Therefore, Wolverine's claws won't damage BP's suit and BP's claws won't cut through Wolverine's skeleton.

If you want to claim otherwise you'll have to provide on screen proof.

Per Marvel Adamantium > Vibranium! Go read about marvel metals.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Screen feat don't matter.

LOL!!!!!!!

Who said that?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Per Marvel Adamantium > Vibranium! Go read about marvel metals.



Who said that?

Really? Which movie did Marvel say that Adamantium > Vibranium?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Really? Which movie did Marvel say that Adamantium > Vibranium?

Marvel Database as well as hundreds of comics and material from which the MCU is built.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Marvel Database as well as thousands of comics and material from which the MCU is built.

I think you got lost. This is called the movie versus forum. Where movie feats count. You want to talk about comics go to the comics vs. forum. So I ask again, which movie was it stated that adamantium > vibranium? If it didn't happen in a movie then it isn't valid here.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Screen feat don't matter.

LOL!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Who said that?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Screen feats matter none when information is concern!

Per Marvel Adamantium>>>>>Vibranium.

Now that Adamantium belongs to MCU this information is canon and takes presedence over feats.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I think you got lost. This is called the movie versus forum. Where movie feats count. You want to talk about comics go to the comics vs. forum. So I ask again, which movie was it stated that adamantium > vibranium? If it didn't happen in a movie then it isn't valid here.

Go and inform yourself.

Disney has bought Fox. MCU has the rights over Adamantium.

Which means Adamantium and its feats now exist within MCU.

MCU is based on the comics

Originally posted by Silent Master


Where does it say that "Screen Feats dont matter"?

Maybe you need glasses.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Go and inform yourself.

Disney has bought Fox. MCU has the rights over Adamantium.

Which means Adamantium and its feats now exist within MCU.

MCU is based on the comics

Sure. Great. So has it ever been said in any of these movies, whether Disney, Fox or MCU that adamantium > vibranium?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Screen feats matter none when information is concern!

Originally posted by FrothByte
Sure. Great. So has it ever been said in any of these movies, whether Disney, Fox or MCU that adamantium > vibranium?

Lol!

Because neither MCU nor Fox was able to mention each other's metal!

Now MCU can, and will use Adamantium along with its feats! Which is by the way, the strongest metal in Marvel (Vibranium Included)

Originally posted by Silent Master


So you decided to obmit the line, " when information is required".

Screen feats are information.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Since MCU bought Fox Adamantium's feats now belong to MCU.



You sound confused.

None of the Fox Marvel films take/took place in the MCU.

X-Men will get a complete reboot before getting introduced into the MCU.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Screen feats are information.

Yes. But the Screen Feats pertain to when Adamantium was not involved in Marvel (MCU)

Besides there are no statements/feats that claim Vibranium as the strongest metal.

One way or another Adamantium is superior.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You sound confused.

None of the Fox Marvel films take/took place in the MCU.

X-Men will get a complete reboot before getting introduced into the MCU.

I know. And?

I know. The Heroes will get rebooted.

Adamantium has a long history in Marvel. Isnt like the information or feats of the Metal will be ignored by MCU.

Glad you admit that screen feats are information and since currently movie Vibranium has better feats than movie adamantium.

Vibranium > adamantium.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Glad you admit that screen feats are information and since currently movie Vibranium has better feats than movie adamantium.

Vibranium > adamantium.

You mean MCU Vibranium HAS BETTER FEATS than Fox Adamantium.

MCU Adamantium>MCU Vibranium based on Marvel database.

MCU admantium doesn't exist yet.

Whether or not adamantium can cut vibranium (it can't, that directly goes against the properties of vibranium; it reflects all force outwards), Wolverine doesn't have the strength to back it up. His claws bounce off the suit and he gets KOed eventually.

Plus, Fox's adamantium got really screwed up by Wolvies solo film. It's stupid how easily and often it broke in that movie.

Originally posted by Silent Master
MCU admantium doesn't exist yet.

It does, just it hasnt been mentioned/depicted on the movies.

Which means it doesn't exist.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Whether or not adamantium can cut vibranium (it can't, that directly goes against the properties of vibranium; it reflects all force outwards), Wolverine doesn't have the strength to back it up. His claws bounce off the suit and he gets KOed eventually.

Plus, Fox's adamantium got really screwed up by Wolvies solo film. It's stupid how easily and often it broke in that movie.

What??

Vibranium's property is to absorb energies. Doesnt mean it cant be cut. Cutting is concern with molecules not energy.

Wolverine is super strong. Why shouldnt he have the force to pierce Vibranium?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Cutting is concern with molecules not energy

Originally posted by Silent Master
Which means it doesn't exist.

Which means it hasnt been mentioned. To not exist is a different thing.

Originally posted by Arachnid1


A knife cuts better through meat than a fork. The problem with the fork is that it isnt sharp.

Isnt like a knife cuts better because you applied more energy to it.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Which means it hasnt been mentioned. To not exist is a different thing.

Lol, if it hasn't even been mentioned...how can you say how strong it is?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
What??

Vibranium's property is to absorb energies. Doesnt mean it cant be cut. Cutting is concern with molecules not energy.

Wolverine is super strong. Why shouldnt he have the force to pierce Vibranium? How could you cut something without imparting kinetic energy?

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol, if it hasn't even been mentioned...how can you say how strong it is?

Because Marvel has stated so. The only reason why MCU didnt mentioned it before is because Fox had the rights to it.

But MCU is eager to use Adamantium since its a very used metal in the Marvel universe.

Also MCU never stated in its movies that Vibranium was the strongest metal. Why? Because that title belongs to Adamantium.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Which means it hasnt been mentioned. To not exist is a different thing.

It hasn't been mentioned, because it doesn't exist yet.

Originally posted by Mindset
How could you cut something without imparting kinetic energy?

Everything requires energy.

You need energy to press the knife against the meat.

However the sharper the knife the less energy you require to cut through something.

Also, Vibranium disperses/absorbs energy. However it doesnt mean that the shield is 100% invulnerable to energy.

A Sharp Adamantium claw with enough energy would cout through standard Adamantium.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Everything requires energy.

Exactly.

Which makes the post I quoted not make sense.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Because Marvel has stated so. The only reason why MCU didnt mentioned it before is because Fox had the rights to it.

But MCU is eager to use Adamantium since its a very used metal in the Marvel universe.

Also MCU never stated in its movies that Vibranium was the strongest metal. Why? Because that title belongs to Adamantium.

How could they have "said so" when you just admitted it hasn't even been mentioned lol.

And wait, I can see why Fox would have the rights to the X-Men characters, but why would they have the rights specifically to adamantium?

Originally posted by Surtur
How could they have "said so" when you just admitted it hasn't even been mentioned lol.

According to him, adamantium existing in the comics means it exists in the movies. even though the comics and movies are different universes.

Originally posted by Silent Master
According to him, adamantium existing in the comics means it exists in the movies. even though the comics and movies are different universes.

Lol, there's not even a point to using movie versions if you are going to pull stuff from the comics and say it applies.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Because Marvel has stated so. The only reason why MCU didnt mentioned it before is because Fox had the rights to it.

But MCU is eager to use Adamantium since its a very used metal in the Marvel universe.

Also MCU never stated in its movies that Vibranium was the strongest metal. Why? Because that title belongs to Adamantium.

Look Josh, bottom line is the character being referred to here is Wolverine as he was in the Foxverse. Not Wolverine as he is in the MCU because he doesn't exist yet.

Which means that the adamantium being discussed here is the adamantium as seen in the Fox movies and there is no proof in any of those movies that adamantium is stronger than vibranium. Sure that may change later on once the MCU has made X-men movies, but that's not the Wolverine being discussed in this thread.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It hasn't been mentioned, because it doesn't exist yet.

Okay you dont seem to understand.

So you are basically saying that each time a new character/item is introduced such item/being all of a sudden starts existing?

Adamantium for instance will be created in that very exact point in time in the universe (When it appears in a movie)? A small big bang will occur and Adamantium will come into existence?

Thats not how it works. Any being/item that has not been mention in the MCU exists within it. Its just that they are dormant. Waiting to appear in a movie.

Beings like the Living Tribunal, The Beyonder, Galactus, they all exist within the MCU's universe. They are just nog mentioned yet.

Originally posted by Mindset
Exactly.

Which makes the post I quoted not make sense.

Okay and? Vibranium absorbs energy. Doesnt mean it is invulnerable to it or unpenetrable.

Vibranium disperses energy which makes it a good insulator.

Originally posted by Surtur
How could they have "said so" when you just admitted it hasn't even been mentioned lol.

And wait, I can see why Fox would have the rights to the X-Men characters, but why would they have the rights specifically to adamantium?

Not mentioned in movies, but Marvel (The same Marvel that rules the movies) have stated each metal's properties.

IDK, the thing was that MCU couldnt use Adamantium. Thats why Ultron had a Vibranium suit instead of an Adamantium one.

Cap's Shield was also Proto Adamantium.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Look Josh, bottom line is the character being referred to here is Wolverine as he was in the Foxverse. Not Wolverine as he is in the MCU because he doesn't exist yet.

Which means that the adamantium being discussed here is the adamantium as seen in the Fox movies and there is no proof in any of those movies that adamantium is stronger than vibranium. Sure that may change later on once the MCU has made X-men movies, but that's not the Wolverine being discussed in this thread.

Until MCU reboots Fox movies then will the info contained in such be removed.

Until so, Fox movies and material will belong to Marvel.

So, basically Fox Wolverine is now MCU.

By feats movie vibranium is stronger, deal with it.

BP beats that ass

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Until MCU reboots Fox movies then will the info contained in such be removed.

Until so, Fox movies and material will belong to Marvel.

So, basically Fox Wolverine is now MCU.

Not to bash on you, bub, but the MCU and Foxverse don't get merged on the silver screen due to a business deal between companies unless Disney retcons in the Foxverse officially. Thus, adamantium isn't in the MCU, Fox doesn't have vibranium, the two certainly aren't scaled against one another in-universe, and BP beats down Logan.

Is BP leagues ahead of Logan? No. Is he his superior to James Howlett? Enough to the point that victory is all but guaranteed at the ringing of the bell.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay and? Vibranium absorbs energy. Doesnt mean it is invulnerable to it or unpenetrable.

Vibranium disperses energy which makes it a good insulator. What do you mean, "and?", you buffoon?

I should slap you.

Originally posted by Silent Master
By feats movie vibranium is stronger, deal with it.

Not according to the statements of Stark and Stryker, per which Vibranium is weaker.

Originally posted by John Murdoch
Not to bash on you, bub, but the MCU and Foxverse don't get merged on the silver screen due to a business deal between companies unless Disney retcons in the Foxverse officially. Thus, adamantium isn't in the MCU, Fox doesn't have vibranium, the two certainly aren't scaled against one another in-universe, and BP beats down Logan.

Is BP leagues ahead of Logan? No. Is he his superior to James Howlett? Enough to the point that victory is all but guaranteed at the ringing of the bell.

No. All the characters and items in Fox are now in the MCU.

They just need to be incorporated into the screen. When such thing happens the Fox Verse will get retconned.

Originally posted by Mindset
What do you mean, "and?", you buffoon?

I should slap you.

Is just that you say it like if Vibranium is undestructible because it absorbs energy which isnt the case.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Not according to the statements of Stark and Stryker, per which Vibranium is weaker.

What statements? Care to quote them?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Not according to the statements of Stark and Stryker, per which Vibranium is weaker.

Post a clip of them saying Vibranium is weaker.

Even with Disney buying them out, onscreen feats still put Vibranium above it as Adamantium was liquefied with a lightsaber basically. Vibranium took far more damage to actually be destroyed, and it was only ever damaged on a much larger scale.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Not according to the statements of Stark and Stryker, per which Vibranium is weaker.




Yet we have seen Cap's shield and T'Challa's suit tank a whole lot of things

BP takes it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Post a clip of them saying Vibranium is weaker.

https://youtu.be/2IMMNRmmwhE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NwCLh-F_cdU

Stark states that Vibranium is stronger than steel whilst Stryker calls Adamantium virtually undestructible.

The rest is a matter of logic.

Originally posted by FrothByte
What statements? Care to quote them?

Stryker discribed Adamantium in Wolverine Origins.

Stark described Vibranium in Captain America The First Avenger.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Yet we have seen Cap's shield and T'Challa's suit tank a whole lot of things

And we have seen Cap's Shield getting scratched by Vibranium Claws.

Vibranium being less stronger than Adamantium.

Adamantium is the strongest Metal according to Marvel.

IOW, neither Stark or Stryker actually said that Vibranium was weaker.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, neither Stark or Stryker actually said that Vibranium was weaker.

Adamantium is virtually undestructible where as Vibranium is just stronger than metal.

Its obvious by those words which is strong.

Look this is known information!!

I wont be arguing something that has been clarified time and time again by Marvel.

The MCU will begin implimenting Adamantium in its movies, and its properties will be respected.

Adamantium is the strongest metal in Marvel.

Is admantium stronger than steel?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
And we have seen Cap's Shield getting scratched by Vibranium Claws.


He scratched the paint on it, most likely. It's happened in comics.

With the introduction of adamantium, Cap's shield will likely become a mix of adamantium and vibranium... which makes all kind of sense, seeing as Vibranium Ultron got damaged far worse than he should have, if he was supposed to be equal to the shield...

I don't think Ultron was ever stated to be solid vibranium, so he was probably a mix at best.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Is admantium stronger than steel?

Steel is far far from being Undestructible. So yes.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He scratched the paint on it, most likely. It's happened in comics.

With the introduction of adamantium, Cap's shield will likely become a mix of adamantium and vibranium... which makes all kind of sense, seeing as Vibranium Ultron got damaged far worse than he should have, if he was supposed to be equal to the shield...

Cap's Shield in the comics is made of Proto Adamantium (Adamantium + Vibranium + Unknown substance).

The MCU said Vibranium because they couldnt use the term Adamantium.

Now that they can well...maybe after his shield is destroyed in IW they fix that.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Steel is far far from being Undestructible. So yes.

So, stronger than steel would be an accurate description of Adamantium?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, stronger than steel would be an accurate description of Adamantium?

No. Far far stronger than Steel.

Titanium, Diamond, and many other materials are considered "stronger" than steel.

Adamantium is stronger than even these materials.

So it is far stronger than steel.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No. Far far stronger than Steel.

Titanium, Diamond, and many other materials are considered "stronger" than steel.

Adamantium is stronger than even these materials.

So it is far stronger than steel.

What is the specific difference between stronger and far stronger?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Cap's Shield in the comics is made of Proto Adamantium (Adamantium + Vibranium + Unknown substance).

I know. It's actually more complicated, convoluted af and - to make it worse - changes from writer to writer, the most simple explanation is that it has properties of both adamantium (indestructibility) and vibranium (absorbing kinetic energy, has great aerodynamics).

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The MCU said Vibranium because they couldnt use the term Adamantium.

Now that they can well...maybe after his shield is destroyed in IW they fix that.

They should've made it clear it's more than just vibranium. But oh well.

That's one way to fix it, yeah.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I know. It's actually more complicated, convoluted af and - to make it worse - changes from writer to writer, the most simple explanation is that it has properties of both adamantium (indestructibility) and vibranium (absorbing kinetic energy, has great aerodynamics).



They should've made it clear it's more than just vibranium. But oh well.

That's one way to fix it, yeah.

Yeah.

Well i hink the 3rd material is Uru Metal.

You notice how the Shield seems to bounce back to Caps hand? It could be due to the Uru.

Originally posted by Silent Master
What is the specific difference between stronger and far stronger?

If you say that something is "strong" and then you say that something is "far stronger", which one is stronger?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yeah.

Well i hink the 3rd material is Uru Metal.

You notice how the Shield seems to bounce back to Caps hand? It could be due to the Uru.

Uru got added ONLY after Fear Itself event.

No, it was always due to Steve's incredible skill. He's a hax martial artist. In fact, when Tony added the magnetic device to the shield, Rogers disposed of it as he 1) didn't need it 2) it wrecked the delicate balance of it, Steve likes to have full control.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
If you say that something is "strong" and then you say that something is "far stronger", which one is stronger?

Attempting to dodge my question by asking another question is hardly a new tactic, I can't believe you thought it would work.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Uru got added ONLY after Fear Itself event.

No, it was always due to Steve's incredible skill. He's a hax martial artist. In fact, when Tony added the magnetic device to the shield, Rogers disposed of it as he 1) didn't need it 2) it wrecked the delicate balance of it, Steve likes to have full control.

Hmmm yeah.

Well i said maybe.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Attempting to dodge my question by asking another question is hardly a new tactic, I can't believe you thought it would work.

Just using your method of debating

Questioning is all you do.

Well let me answer my own question.

Adamantium is stronger, since just because an object is stronger than steel it doesnt make it undestructible.

You attempted to puzzle me by asking if an Undestructible object is stronger than steel. Which the answer is Yes. However an object stronger than steel (Vibranium) isnt necessarily undestructible.



Nice attempt however.

Apparently the same thing happened in MCU, as we can no longer see the magnetic gadget shown in Age of Ultron.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Apparently the same thing happened in MCU, as we can no longer see the magnetic gadget shown in Age of Ultron.

Yeah. True.

Will see how things change now that the MCU has all the rights.

Since you can't seem to follow along. Stronger than steel is a very open ended statement. it could mean .000000000000000000001% stronger or 999,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
0 times stronger. so trying to use sed statement as proof of anything is just sad and rather pathetic.

Do you have any actual proof that movie admantium is stronger than movie vibranium.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Since you can't seem to follow along. Stronger than steel is a very open ended statement. it could mean .000000000000000000001% stronger or 999,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
0 times stronger. so trying to use sed statement as proof of anything is just sad and rather pathetic.

Do you have any actual proof that movie admantium is stronger than movie vibranium.

Yet it doesnt make it undestructible. Regardless the percentage.

Kind of hard to say, BP hasn't had enough screen time yet for us to know what it takes to breach his suit. But Wolverine at his peak can take a ridiculous amount of damage, BP will have a very hard time regardless.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yet it doesnt make it undestructible. Regardless the percentage.

Neither does calling something virtually indestrucable, so what's your point?

Logan got his claws sliced off by a very hot sword.

Originally posted by KingD19
Logan got his claws sliced off by a very hot sword.

Very Hot Adamantium Sword. Which is understandable.

"Only Diamond can cut Diamond"

Originally posted by Silent Master
Neither does calling something virtually indestrucable, so what's your point?

Being stronger than Steel doesnt make something Virtually Undestructible neither.

So?

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Kind of hard to say, BP hasn't had enough screen time yet for us to know what it takes to breach his suit. But Wolverine at his peak can take a ridiculous amount of damage, BP will have a very hard time regardless.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Being stronger than Steel doesnt make something Virtually Undestructible neither.

So?

Neither does being called virtually indestructible.

So again, what's your point?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Very Hot Adamantium Sword. Which is understandable.

"Only Diamond can cut Diamond"

That's not how adamantium works.

It cannot slice through other adamantium, Marvel made that clear in numerous books. FOX just decided to ignore it.

BP kills him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's not how adamantium works.

It cannot slice through other adamantium, Marvel made that clear in numerous books. FOX just decided to ignore it.

Ik. I was explaing Fox's ideology.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Neither does being called virtually indestructible.

So again, what's your point?

If being stronger than steel doesnt make it VIRTUALLY UNDESTRUCTIBLE.

Then Vibranium<<<<<Adamantium based on that analogy.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Neither does being called virtually indestructible.

So again, what's your point?

Fox Adamantium is most certainly not indestructible, as shown on a recent episode of The Gifted, which is part of that universe. The Strucker kids were put in a room lined with Adamantium and told to go HAM with their powers, and they made a hole in the one wall.

This was it at the start:

https://i2.wp.com/thegeeknerdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/gifted-weapon-x.jpg?resize=864%2C432

This was it after:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fox-thegifted/images/7/7b/TG-Caps-1x10-eXploited-95-Adamantium-cell.png/revision/latest?cb=20171212161703

Also, it's funny how this guy goes on about how Tony's armour is supposedly 4x stronger than steel (based on unrelated RL numbers from after the film). Yet when debating Adamantium vs Vibranium (which pierced said armour), he falls back to the "stronger than steel" quote. And this is also after I pointed out in a previous thread that, at a later point in Age of Ultron, Captain America also refers to it as the "strongest" metal on MCU Earth.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
If being stronger than steel doesnt make it VIRTUALLY UNDESTRUCTIBLE.

Then Vibranium<<<<<Adamantium based on that analogy.


Stark and Stryker's statements don't prove anything.

By feats, movie vibranium > movie admantium.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Fox Adamantium is most certainly not indestructible, as shown on a recent episode of The Gifted, which is part of that universe. The Strucker kids were put in a room lined with Adamantium and told to go HAM with their powers, and they made a hole in the one wall.

This was it at the start:

https://i2.wp.com/thegeeknerdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/gifted-weapon-x.jpg?resize=864%2C432

This was it after (sorry for the big-ass image):

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fox-thegifted/images/7/7b/TG-Caps-1x10-eXploited-95-Adamantium-cell.png/revision/latest?cb=20171212161703

Also, it's funny how this guy goes on about how Tony's armour is supposedly 4x stronger than steel (based on unrelated RL numbers from after the film). Yet when debating Adamantium vs Vibranium (which pierced said armour), he falls back to the "stronger than steel" quote. And this is also after I pointed out in a previous thread that, at a later point in Age of Ultron, Captain America also refers to it as the "strongest" metal on MCU Earth.

The stronger than steel comment doesn't prove what he thinks it does, as admantium can also be described as stronger than steel.

He doesn't understand what an open ended statement is.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The stronger than steel comment doesn't prove what he thinks it does, as admantium can also be described as stronger than steel.

He doesn't understand what an open ended statement is.

Well, as I said, according to his own arguments in other threads, IM armour is 4x stronger than steel. Vibranium pierced the armour without being damaged in return (the whole action-reaction thing). And then add in the comment by Captain America, which I have directly pointed out to him before. So, him ignoring all of that and going back to a single statement by Stark from the 40s is blatant lowballing.

Either that, or he genuinely cannot grasp that all Howard Stark's comment does is establish a lower baseline to how tough Vibranium is, not it's ultimate strength. In which case, discussing it with him is pointless in anyways.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Fox Adamantium is most certainly not indestructible, as shown on a recent episode of The Gifted, which is part of that universe. The Strucker kids were put in a room lined with Adamantium and told to go HAM with their powers, and they made a hole in the one wall.

This was it at the start:

https://i2.wp.com/thegeeknerdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/gifted-weapon-x.jpg?resize=864%2C432

This was it after:

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Also, it's funny how this guy goes on about how Tony's armour is supposedly 4x stronger than steel (based on unrelated RL numbers from after the film). Yet when debating Adamantium vs Vibranium (which pierced said armour), he falls back to the "stronger than steel" quote. And this is also after I pointed out in a previous thread that, at a later point in Age of Ultron, Captain America also refers to it as the "strongest" metal on MCU Earth.

No one said it was indestructible.

No metal in marvel is considered indestructible.

Adamantium which is the strongest metal in marvel is the only one to be categorized as Virtually indestructible. Not indestructible.

Your lack of information about Marvel has been noted TheVault

Originally posted by Silent Master
Stark and Stryker's statements don't prove anything.

By feats, movie vibranium > movie admantium.

They do and are valid for debating. The fact that you cant cope with these statements doesnt mean they are invalid

Originally posted by Silent Master
The stronger than steel comment doesn't prove what he thinks it does, as admantium can also be described as stronger than steel.

He doesn't understand what an open ended statement is.

Stop avoiding things.

Vibranium doesnt hold the title of "Virtually Indestructible".

Adamantium>Vibranium any way you see it.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, as I said, according to his own arguments in other threads, IM armour is 4x stronger than steel. Vibranium pierced the armour without being damaged in return (the whole action-reaction thing). And then add in the comment by Captain America, which I have directly pointed out to him before. So, him ignoring all of that and going back to a single statement by Stark from the 40s is blatant lowballing.

Either that, or he genuinely cannot grasp that all Howard Stark's comment does is establish a lower baseline to how tough Vibranium is, not it's ultimate strength. In which case, discussing it with him is pointless in anyways.

Oh you just keep having feelings against me because i proved you Cap>Cage!!!

Its obvious you are being biased and against me.

Sorry but i dont make debates personal.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay you dont seem to understand.

So you are basically saying that each time a new character/item is introduced such item/being all of a sudden starts existing?

Adamantium for instance will be created in that very exact point in time in the universe (When it appears in a movie)? A small big bang will occur and Adamantium will come into existence?

Thats not how it works. Any being/item that has not been mention in the MCU exists within it. Its just that they are dormant. Waiting to appear in a movie.

Beings like the Living Tribunal, The Beyonder, Galactus, they all exist within the MCU's universe. They are just nog mentioned yet.

Yes lol, that should be EXACTLY how it works. And Living Tribunal has been mentioned in Dr. Strange(they have his staff). Galactus and Beyonder have never been referenced and thus as of now do not exist in the MCU. I don't see why that is a big deal, since if Galactus has never been mentioned there is no valid reason to bring him up in any debate about the MCU.

The MCU is essentially an alternate universe to the marvel comics 616 universe.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes lol, that should be EXACTLY how it works. And Living Tribunal has been mentioned in Dr. Strange(they have his staff). Galactus and Beyonder have never been referenced and thus as of now do not exist in the MCU. I don't see why that is a big deal, since if Galactus has never been mentioned there is no valid reason to bring him up in any debate about the MCU.

The MCU is essentially an alternate universe to the marvel comics 616 universe.

Whenever the MCU introduces a new character it doesnt start existing in that moment.

Isnt like Spider Man was born in Civil War. Not literally.

According to your way of thinking Spider Man wasnt alive prior to Civil War? He wasnt a part of the MCU universe?

I mean on screen he wasnt. But he did existed in the Universe.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
They do and are valid for debating. The fact that you cant cope with these statements doesnt mean they are invalid



Stop avoiding things.

Vibranium doesnt hold the title of "Virtually Indestructible".

Adamantium>Vibranium any way you see it.

Statements are worthless without feats backing them up and by feats.

Movie vibranium > Adamantium

This is getting ridiculous. BP wins, end of story. Too fast, too strong, too skilled, with an impenetrable armor.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Statements are worthless without feats backing them up and by feats.

Movie vibranium > Adamantium

Those statements are backed by the persons who said them. And also by the feats that back them.

Originally posted by FrothByte
This is getting ridiculous. BP wins, end of story. Too fast, too strong, too skilled, with an impenetrable armor.

Wolverine wins.

Super regeneration, super durable body, fast, super strong...

Wolverine has the edge.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Those statements are backed by the persons who said them. And also by the feats that back them.

Saying that the statements are backed by the people saying them is circular logic.

Also by feats, movie vibranium > movie admantium.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Whenever the MCU introduces a new character it doesnt start existing in that moment.

Isnt like Spider Man was born in Civil War. Not literally.

According to your way of thinking Spider Man wasnt alive prior to Civil War? He wasnt a part of the MCU universe?

I mean on screen he wasnt. But he did existed in the Universe.

Okay, nobody is saying they don't exist in the sense that within the universe they were just created. It is merely talking about for the purposes of debate.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Those statements are backed by the persons who said them. And also by the feats that back them.

But we do not have any feats for adamantium in the MCU. You are pulling feats from other film universes and the comics, that defeats the purpose of using movie characters.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Saying that the statements are backed by the people saying them is circular logic.

Also by feats, movie vibranium > movie admantium.

They each experienced different things. A direct comparisson cant be drawn.

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay, nobody is saying they don't exist in the sense that within the universe they were just created. It is merely talking about for the purposes of debate.



But we do not have any feats for adamantium in the MCU. You are pulling feats from other film universes and the comics, that defeats the purpose of using movie characters.

Okay. So you agree they do exist in the Universe.

So there is Adamantium in the MCU but it hasnt been shown on screen.

That means that Adamantium is dormant in the MCU until it appears in a movie.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Wolverine wins.

Super regeneration, super durable body, fast, super strong...

Wolverine has the edge.

Hah, no. Wolverine is not stronger or faster that BP. His HF is the only advantage he has over BP but even that is nullified by BP's vibranium suit.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
They each experienced different things. A direct comparisson cant be drawn.

Yes it can.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay. So you agree they do exist in the Universe.

So there is Adamantium in the MCU but it hasnt been shown on screen.

That means that Adamantium is dormant in the MCU until it appears in a movie.

I don't think it matters what you want to categorize adamantium as, but suffice to say as of now we have no feats for it and thus for the purposes of a debate it might as well not exist lol. But yes it probably does exist in the MCU, but until we see it in action it's not usable. Also IMO we would need more than just statements.

So if in the next Avengers movie it shows some adamantium somewhere in a box and Iron Man comments on how it is indestructible...it should still need feats showing that. We see in the X-Men movie universe it can withstand all kinds of damage, so that franchise actually established how tough it was and didn't merely rely on character statements.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Hah, no. Wolverine is not stronger or faster that BP. His HF is the only advantage he has over BP but even that is nullified by BP's vibranium suit.

He fought Ninjas which he later moved liie if nothing regardless the numbers and the poison.

BP loses.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes it can.

No.

Yes

Originally posted by Surtur
I don't think it matters what you want to categorize adamantium as, but suffice to say as of now we have no feats for it and thus for the purposes of a debate it might as well not exist lol. But yes it probably does exist in the MCU, but until we see it in action it's not usable. Also IMO we would need more than just statements.

So if in the next Avengers movie it shows some adamantium somewhere in a box and Iron Man comments on how it is indestructible...it should still need feats showing that. We see in the X-Men movie universe it can withstand all kinds of damage, so that franchise actually established how tough it was and didn't merely rely on character statements.

Ehhh no. If Tony Stark comes out and claims Adamantium to be stronger than Vibranium then it is.

Not until it has the feats to back sed statement up.

^ and after multiple pages of this it still doesn't change the fact that there's no proof Wolverine's claws can penetrate BP's suit, whereas BP would have no problem cutting up Wolverine. And Wolverine's fight with Lady Deathstrike proved that Wolverine can get in trouble if he takes too much injury.

Originally posted by FrothByte
^ and after multiple pages of this it still doesn't change the fact that there's no proof Wolverine's claws can penetrate BP's suit, whereas BP would have no problem cutting up Wolverine. And Wolverine's fight with Lady Deathstrike proved that Wolverine can get in trouble if he takes too much injury.

Unless you can prove that Vibranium can withstand Adamantium the suit gets penetrated.

The Adamantium claws have been able to cut through any metal on screen. Not a single time has the claws bounced off!

Naah Wolverine stomps. BP doesnt have what to hurt him with,

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Because Marvel has stated so. The only reason why MCU didnt mentioned it before is because Fox had the rights to it.

But MCU is eager to use Adamantium since its a very used metal in the Marvel universe.

Also MCU never stated in its movies that Vibranium was the strongest metal. Why? Because that title belongs to Adamantium. But since Fox has rights to it then they can allow it to be as strong as they want. They can desire it to be stronger than MCU vibranium.

So even if you do have a point that adamantium >vibranium in Marvel eyes then that might not hold in Fox eyes (which matters most since they own the rights).

Disney owns FOX now.

And Vibranium has higher feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
But since Fox has rights to it then they can allow it to be as strong as they want. They can desire it to be stronger than MCU vibranium.

So even if you do have a point that adamantium >vibranium in Marvel eyes then that might not hold in Fox eyes (which matters most since they own the rights).


lmao.. FOX is now a part of Disney.. Clearly going by screen feats Vibranium has higher feats. Vibranium proly will have more feats in Feb as well

We still don't know if Cap's shield is pure vibranium. We know it's special.

Now, we're going to find out why it's special.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
He is a scientist. Anything he says is backed by the MCU.



No. Movies use characters (scientists) to reveal plot devices.

If Tony Stark or any other scientist claim that Adamantium>Vibranium in the MCU then thats how it is.

Not going arround that.

Wrong, we go by feats. statements are worthless if they are not backed up by feats.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
We still don't know if Cap's shield is pure vibranium. We know it's special.

Now, we're going to find out why it's special. It has an spare chromosoma.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Wrong, we go by feats. statements are worthless if they are not backed up by feats.

No. Movies use statements to reveal details on things.

If the movie states that Captain America is 30 years old, then he is 30 years old!

If the movie says that Adamantium>Vibranium then it is.

Period!

Originally posted by h1a8
But since Fox has rights to it then they can allow it to be as strong as they want. They can desire it to be stronger than MCU vibranium.

So even if you do have a point that adamantium >vibranium in Marvel eyes then that might not hold in Fox eyes (which matters most since they own the rights).

Fox is now part of Disney (MCU).

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Fox is now part of Disney (MCU).

But the Wolverine being discussed in this thread isn't.

Originally posted by FrothByte
But the Wolverine being discussed in this thread isn't.

I know. We are discussing about what will happen when Adamantium enters the MCU.

Either way, Fox Wolv kicks BP.

Until we see more of BP on Feb, Wolverine will just be superior due to number of feats.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No. Movies use statements to reveal details on things.

If the movie states that Captain America is 30 years old, then he is 30 years old!

If the movie says that Adamantium>Vibranium then it is.

Period!

No movie has ever said that adamantium was stronger than vibranium.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I know. We are discussing about what will happen when Adamantium enters the MCU.

Either way, Fox Wolv kicks BP.

Until we see more of BP on Feb, Wolverine will just be superior due to number of feats.

The number of feats is not what decides the winner.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I know. We are discussing about what will happen when Adamantium enters the MCU.

Either way, Fox Wolv kicks BP.

Until we see more of BP on Feb, Wolverine will just be superior due to number of feats.

Hah. Sure, because Wolverine having such a hard time fighting off 1 human thug makes him superior to BP.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No movie has ever said that adamantium was stronger than vibranium.

Ohhh just wait for MCU to use Adamantium.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Hah. Sure, because Wolverine having such a hard time fighting off 1 human thug makes him superior to BP.

No becaused he faced the Juggernaut, multiple highly trained ninjas, and endure Dark Phoenix's TK and rage.

BP loses terribly.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Ohhh just wait for MCU to use Adamantium.



Until then , however WE STILL HAVE TO GO BY HOW ADAMANTIUM HAS BEEN PORTRAYED THUS FAR

Vibranium will continue to be known in Feb and then again in May

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Ohhh just wait for MCU to use Adamantium.

This thread is about Fox Wolverine and thus Fox Adamantium,

MCU Vibranium has the better feats.

Originally posted by Silent Master
This thread is about Fox Wolverine and thus Fox Adamantium,

MCU Vibranium has the better feats.

No. It hhas different feats. Feats which cant be compared to the ones Adamantium has faced in Fox.

Else give an example

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Until then , however WE STILL HAVE TO GO BY HOW ADAMANTIUM HAS BEEN PORTRAYED THUS FAR

Vibranium will continue to be known in Feb and then again in May

Okay.

Whatever. Until now Vibranium doesnt possess any feat to put it above Ad. Period.

Originally posted by Silent Master
This thread is about Fox Wolverine and thus Fox Adamantium,

MCU Vibranium has the better feats.

Like getting annihilated in Age of Ultron... lol

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander


No becaused he faced the Juggernaut, multiple highly trained ninjas, and endure Dark Phoenix's TK and rage.

BP loses terribly.

And yet Mystique was running circles around him, and if she had claws of her own and an indestructible suit would have ripped him apart.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No. It hhas different feats. Feats which cant be compared to the ones Adamantium has faced in Fox.

Else give an example

It has better feats.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Like getting annihilated in Age of Ultron... lol

We don't know how much Vibranium that Ultron contained and it was hit by Thor, Iron-man and a Infinity stone. which is far better than Fox's admantium getting cut.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Ehhh no. If Tony Stark comes out and claims Adamantium to be stronger than Vibranium then it is.

For the purposes of a debate you'd need more than Tony Starks word.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No. Movies use statements to reveal details on things.

If the movie states that Captain America is 30 years old, then he is 30 years old!

If the movie says that Adamantium>Vibranium then it is.

Period!

This example does not fit. There is more than a statement going on. We have all the screen time of Cap. We can see how old he looks, maybe not an exact age, but at least a general idea. Whereas if all we had is a mere statement about adamantium it wouldn't be corroborated by anything.

Originally posted by Surtur
For the purposes of a debate you'd need more than Tony Starks word.

Right, if Tony stated he ran an analysis of the metals and x or y was stronger. that would hold some weight. but him just out of the blue saying one is stronger would mean nothing without feats.