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Current List:
Abeloth
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Yoda
4. Knightfall Vader
5. Valkorion
Talzin
6. Darth Plagueis
UnuThul
7. Darth Krayt / Kyp Durron
8. Darth Krayt / Kyp Durron
9. Revan
10. Darth Caedus
Starkiller(s) / Darth Vader / Exar Kun
11. Mace Windu / Darth Malgus / Darth Tyranus / Vaylin

This is meant to be in terms of Force strength, and Vader's platform-handling is more impressive than anything Vaylin's done, tbh.

I'd put Knightfall Vader above Yoda personally.

That feedback's important to me; I formulate my opinions based on the general consensus.

Excluding entities, Knightfall Vader, Talzin / witches, random lost tribe sith, Soa, UnuThul, etc.

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Yoda
4. Darth Plagueis
5. Valkorion
6. Darth Krayt
7. Darth Caedus
8. Kyp Durron
9. Darth Vader
10. Revan

Valkorion/Sidious
Sidious/Valkorion
Luke
Yoda
Plagueis
Revan
Kun
Krayt
Caedus
Vader

Something like that. Order of bottom half subject to change. Excluding Knightfall Vader/Talzin.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Valkorion/Sidious
Sidious/Valkorion
Luke.

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Dooku plus dudes:
1. Luke
2, Sidious
3. Yoda/Anakin
4. Mace
5. Plagueis/Valk
6. Vader
7. Vaylin

The list is incomplete, but oh well

1.Knightfall Vader.
2.Valkorion.
3.Luke Skywalker.
4.Reborn Sidious.
5.Darth Nihilus.
6.Grand Master Yoda.
7.Exar Kun.
8.Revan.
9.Darth Plagueis.
10.Outlander.
11.Vaylin.
12.Mace Windu.
13.Arcann.
14.Krayt Reborn.
15.Darth Malak.

That's a very rough list, and I'm leaving off a ton of Ancient Sith and others such as Taalon and UnuThul.

Originally posted by Geistalt
This is meant to be in terms of Force strength, and Vader's platform-handling is more impressive than anything Vaylin's done, tbh.

Casually devastating the Sanitarium and the surrounding mountain by overloading it with her raw power from the orbit of a void world that massively weakens one's connection to the Force is easily superior.

Originally posted by AncientPower
1.Knightfall Vader.
2.Valkorion.
3.Luke Skywalker.
4.Reborn Sidious.
5.Darth Nihilus.
6.Grand Master Yoda.
7.Exar Kun.
8.Revan.
9.Darth Plagueis.
10.Outlander.
11.Vaylin.
12.Mace Windu.
13.Arcann.
14.Krayt Reborn.
15.Darth Malak.

That's a very rough list, and I'm leaving off a ton of Ancient Sith and others such as Taalon and UnuThul.
Just how big of a gap do you imagine there to be between knightfall anakin and yoda?

I'd say Traya is above Malak.

Legends Tyrannus could split with TPM Palpatine.

Originally posted by samappo
I'd say Traya is above Malak.
She was no where to be seen, when malak dominated the Imperial fleet/SF. He was second the Revan during the mando wars. Frankly he is more impressive.

1.GM Luke Skywalker
2.Sheev Palpatine DE
3.Valkorian
4.Yoda
5.Revan/Exar Kun
6.Exar kun/Revan
7.Mace Windu
8.Plageuis the Wise
9.Darth Caedus
10.Vaylin

Malak empowered by the Star Forge was canonically far more powerful than Muur and the Dark Jedi Exiles.

^ All these lists are shit.

1. Palpatine
2. Luke
3. The gap between these two and everyone else
4. Vader
5. Anakin
6. Yoda
7. Windu
8. Kenobi
9. Dooku
10. Plagueis
11. Tenebrous
12. Tenebrous' Master
13 - 39. Intermediary Banite Sith
40. Bane
41. Revan
42. Nihilus
43. Kun
44. Qel-Droma
45. Krayt
46. Malak
47. Muur
48. Wyyrlok
49. Nadd
50. Valkorion

Your existence is shit and your list gave my eyes cancer.

Originally posted by Azronger
^ All these lists are shit.

1. Palpatine
2. Luke
3. The gap between these two and everyone else
4. Vader
5. Anakin
6. Yoda
7. Windu
8. Kenobi
9. Dooku
10. Plagueis
11. Tenebrous
12. Tenebrous' Master
13 - 39. Intermediary Banite Sith
40. Bane
41. Revan
42. Nihilus
43. Kun
44. Qel-Droma
45. Krayt
46. Malak
47. Muur
48. Wyyrlok
49. Nadd
50. Valkorion

Most best list.

nah but seriously, we know you are trolling.

deleted cause azronger already made a similar list

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Valkorion/Sidious
Sidious/Valkorion
Luke

Wait LeG, you don't think Valkorion is above Palpatine?

@Az,
Why do you rank Palpatine above Luke, when you yourself brought forth the fact that peak Luke is above Palpatine in power?

He'd have to commit seppuku for betraying Temp.

Originally posted by AncientPower
He'd have to commit seppuku for betraying Temp.

That was pretty good not gonna lie

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
@Az,
Why do you rank Palpatine above Luke, when you yourself brought forth the fact that peak Luke is above Palpatine in power?

OP hax 'n' shit. You'll see in my debate with Ellimist eventually.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Excluding entities, Knightfall Vader, Talzin / witches, random lost tribe sith, Soa, UnuThul, etc.

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Darth Sidious
3. Yoda
4. Darth Plagueis
5. Valkorion
6. Darth Krayt
7. Darth Caedus
8. Kyp Durron
9. Darth Vader
10. Revan
That's a solid list imho

I'd say Starkiller could be at 10 perhaps.

Join Knightfall Vader in his glorious supremacy over the mythos and redeem yourself. Repent to Space Jesus.

Originally posted by Azronger
Wait LeG, you don't think Valkorion is above Palpatine?
Valkorion > Palpatine > Luke Skywalker

What is Caedus doing on these lists? He's very solidly below the Count.

1) Sheev
2) Yoda
3) Peak Anakin
4) Dooku
5) Luke













g_grin

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Valkorion > Palpatine > Luke Skywalker
What is this Palpatine > Luke thing? Is it a troll?

I see scores of characters as Count Dooku TIER and above.

Originally posted by Not_a_sock
What is this Palpatine > Luke thing? Is it a troll?
Palpatine's Force abilities are superior.

There's no way I accept Star Killer as more accomplished force user than Revan.

1. Sidious
2. Luke / Valkorion / Knightfall Vader
3. Luke / Valkorion / Knightfall Vader
4. Luke / Valkorion / Knightfall Vader
5. Yoda
6. Plagueis
7. Mace
8. Krayt / Kun / Revan
9. Krayt / Kun / Revan
10. Krayt / Kun / Revan

Originally posted by Azronger
OP hax 'n' shit. You'll see in my debate with Ellimist eventually.

This is about who's more powerful, not who'd win in a fight.

Anyways, where is your "real" list? You were obviously trolling with the previous one.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
1. Sidious
2. Luke / Valkorion / Knightfall Vader
3. Luke / Valkorion / Knightfall Vader
4. Luke / Valkorion / Knightfall Vader
5. Yoda
6. Plagueis
7. Mace
8. Krayt / Kun / Revan
9. Krayt / Kun / Revan
10. Krayt / Kun / Revan

This, except Luke's ranking is quite low here. Why you rank him along KF Vader and not Sidious is beyond me.

1. Valkorion
2. Luke / Knightfall Vader
3. Luke / Knightfall Vader
4. Exar Kun
5. Krayt / Revan / Yoda / Mother Talzin (Dathomir)
6. Krayt / Revan / Yoda / Mother Talzin (Dathomir)
7. Krayt / Revan / Yoda / Mother Talzin (Dathomir)
8. Krayt / Revan / Yoda / Mother Talzin (Dathomir)
9. Darth Plagueis
10. Count Dooku

Kyp and obviously Sidious belong on here but I'm unsure where to place them.

Ziggy, Dooku > Nadd / Vaylin etc?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I see scores of characters as Count Dooku TIER and above.

I'm interested in your list of all Dooku-level characters.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Ziggy, Dooku > Nadd / Vaylin etc?

Let's get one thing straight.

An_Sock is Ziggy

Not_A_Sock is someone else. I suspect ChingchangWalla/GodemporerTrump

Wait, there are two? KEK

Lmao

Ranking characters list-wise is controversial. I prefer TIER based rankings.

TIER 1

NOTE: Individuals who are beyond powerful

Examples:

Palpatine; Bedlam Spirits

TIER 2

NOTE: Individuals who are supremely powerful

Examples:

Darth Plagueis; Darth Tenebrous; Darth Vader; Darth Krayt; Ones of Mortis; Abeloth

TIER 3

NOTE: Individuals who are extremely powerful

Examples:

Obi-Wan Kenobi; Anakin Skywalker; Yoda; Darth Tenebrous' Master; Luke Skywalker

TIER 4

NOTE: Individuals who are very powerful

Examples:

Darth Nihilus; Count Dooku; Mace Windu; Starkiller; Galen Marek; Darth Bane; Darth Maul

TIER 5

NOTE: Individuals who are powerful

Examples:

Valkorion; Komari Vosa; Asajj Ventress; Exar Kun; Savage Opress; Quinlan Vos; Sedriss

TIER 6

NOTE: Individuals who are reasonable

Examples:

Revan; Ulic Qel-Droma; Vaylin (unchained); K'Kruhk; Jai Maruk; Pong Krell; Sa-Di

Dooku was the center of the universe. Just saying.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Dooku was the center of the universe. Just saying.

Provide evidence

And Sidious was beyond that...

Thank your for this canon revelation, member Rockydonovang

Uh, that's clearly described as such for narrative purposes, it isn't literal.

Yeah, I don't know what's up with this guy lmao.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
This is about who's more powerful, not who'd win in a fight.

Anyways, where is your "real" list? You were obviously trolling with the previous one.

It just says to rank these guys. That's it.

Anyway, here's my non-troll list:

1. Sheev
2. Luke
3. Vader
4. Anakin
5. Yoda
6. Plagueis
7. Tenebrous
8. Valkorion
9. Mace
10. Nihilus, I guess.

Not really feeling the Mace > Nihilus.

Also, I'm a bit iffy on the Sheev > Luke thing...

Mace can supposedly compete with RotS Sheev but there's conflicting info on that so idk.

And I should have my response to Ell up soon enough.

I'm not a fan of the "Mace contends with Palpatine" stuff. The novel makes it clear that Sidious could overpower Windu with the force, that does it for me.

I'm sure that in technical knowledge, Sheev rapes Luke intensely.

Yeah, the novel was pretty explicit when Sidious was overpowering Mace with lightning.

Originally posted by Azronger
Yeah, I don't know what's up with this guy lmao.



It just says to rank these guys. That's it.

Anyway, here's my non-troll list:

1. Sheev
2. Luke
3. Vader
4. Anakin
5. Yoda
6. Plagueis
7. Tenebrous
8. Valkorion
9. Mace
10. Nihilus, I guess.

I'll CaV you Vader vs Kun, if you're insane enough.

I was actually thinking of making a thread for Vader vs Kun

Haven't had the chance to participate in a proper debate here so far.

It's been done to death.

Originally posted by samappo
Haven't had the chance to participate in a proper debate here so far.

I'll gladly engage in a 1 vs. 1 with you on the subject if you wish.

Cool, you can start it if you want?

1st of all, Mace gets eaten by Nihillus. The poor old negro can't protect himself from the Dark Reaper. He doesn't know how to resist drain, meaning he has no business facing Nihilus. On top of this, the functionality of Vaapad is to syphon the energy projected from the opponent, which isn't a reliable option against someone who's favoured skill is to syphon your energy first. And it's probably the only reason Mace could contend with Palpatine. Not due to his personal power.


2nd of all, a list based on Force power, not duelling (these are always fun) :


Luke
Sheev
Yoda
Plagueis
Valkorion
Nihilus
Anakin
Revan
Exar Kun
Vader
Tenebrous
Starkillers
Mace
Maybe(?) Nadd

Originally posted by An_Sock
1st of all, Mace gets eaten by Nihillus. The poor old negro can't protect himself from the Dark Reaper. He doesn't know how to resist drain, meaning he has no business facing Nihilus. On top of this, the functionality of Vaapad is to syphon the energy projected from the opponent, which isn't a reliable option against someone who's favoured skill is to syphon your energy first. And it's probably the only reason Mace could contend with Palpatine. Not due to his personal power.

I agree Mace Windu have nothing on Palpatine. However, you greatly underestimate true capabilities of Mace Windu. Darth Nihilus can siphon energy but Mace Windu can siphon it back with Vaapad. It would create endless loop until Mace Windu cuts Darth Nihilus down with superior dueling skills.

Agreed that's why Mace walked up to the Dark Reaper waving his lightsaber around waiting to recapture the energy it stole from him as oppose to getting Anakin to do it for him

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDofPT

TIER 2

NOTE: Individuals who are supremely powerful

Examples:

Darth Krayt

TIER 3

NOTE: Individuals who are extremely powerful

Examples:

Yoda

Why?

Are you actually taking him seriously?

Windu requires time to get Vaapad up and running. Nihilus would just drain him then and there. Traya, someone weaker than Nihilus using a weaker version of the power drain ****ed three Jedi Masters after ragdoling them.

I also don't see Windu matching the feat of pulling a military class ship out of the orbit of Malachor 5.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Are you actually taking him seriously? Yes.

Fleet*

Originally posted by An_Sock
Agreed that's why Mace walked up to the Dark Reaper waving his lightsaber around waiting to recapture the energy it stole from him as oppose to getting Anakin to do it for him

Exactly, glad you understand true capabilities of Mace Windu.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Why?

Darth Krayt have unbalanced the Force. Yoda succumbed to Palpatine who have also unbalanced the Force. Yoda is extremely powerful but he have nothing on Darth Krayt.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Fleet*

Don't need to scare Windu too much mate.

.

Originally posted by samappo
Windu requires time to get Vaapad up and running. Nihilus would just drain him then and there.

Vaapad is a lightsaber form. Mace Windu have swinged his lightsaber very quickly. Darth Nihilus would have no time to drain him.



You think those Jedi are on level of Mace Windu? Those Jedi were so weak three year olds with waterguns could have defeated them. Darth Traya instantly killed them proving how weak they were.



Mace Windu have excellent showings of Telekinesis. See for yourself:

As they cleared the crest of the pass, Mace used the Force to lift himself up so that he could stand on the saddle facing forward, his hands on Nick's back, leaning to see past his shoulder.

From (Star Wars: Shatterpoint)

Darth Nihilus have ragdolled capital ship but Mace Windu have ragdolled himself. You think Darth Nihilus can ragdoll Mace Windu? I think not.

Dark Reaper saga isn't legends, guys.

?
The CW video game is Legends, isn't it? Regardless, it's been referenced by other Legends sources.

Originally posted by Azronger
?
The CW video game is Legends, isn't it? Regardless, it's been referenced by other Legends sources.

Yeah it is.

Originally posted by Azronger
I'm interested in your list of all Dooku-level characters.
In no specific order:

Valkorion
Banite Sith (all)
Dread Masters (all)
The Exiles (all)
Lord Nyax
Exar Kun
Vaylin
Arcann
Thexan
Senya
Darth Marr
Darth Jadus
Darth Nihilus
Darth Traya
Darth Thanaton
Darth Nox
Tulak Hord
Marka Ragnos
Naga Sadow
Darth Vader
Exal Kressh
Emperor's Wrath
Emperor's Wrath II
Darth Nyriss
Darth Nihilus
Darth Malak
Lord Fulminiss
Darth Malgus
Lord Draahg
Darth Baras
Thana Vesh
Revan
Freedon Nadd
Darth Krayt

More...

Count Dooku has many peers in strength, if not in dueling. I do regard Count Dooku among the very best in dueling.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In no specific order:

Valkorion
Banite Sith (all)
Dread Masters (all)
The Exiles (all)
Lord Nyax
Exar Kun
Vaylin
Arcann
Thexan
Senya
Darth Marr
Darth Jadus
Darth Nihilus
Darth Traya
Darth Thanaton
Darth Nox
Tulak Hord
Marka Ragnos
Naga Sadow
Darth Vader
Exal Kressh
Emperor's Wrath
Emperor's Wrath II
Darth Nyriss
Darth Nihilus
Darth Malak
Lord Fulminiss
Darth Malgus
Lord Draahg
Darth Baras
Thana Vesh
Revan
Freedon Nadd
Darth Krayt

More...

Count Dooku has many peers in strength, if not in dueling. I do regard Count Dooku among the very best in dueling.

You concede that Valkorion is Dooku level?

Pretty sure he's trying to say they're all above him.

Sidious would make Valkorion crawl on all fours in a gimp suit with a leash.

Lmao.

Originally posted by samappo
Sidious would make Valkorion crawl on all fours in a gimp suit with a leash.
Sidious wouldn't even make Dooku crawl on all fours, let alone Valkorion.

DE Sidious? Yeah he would.

Dooku ain't far off from ROTJ Vader, not unlike DE Luke. The difference being Dooku has decades of experience and mastery, so I doubt that.

DE Sidious is a walking Force nexus who can create moon-devouring storms of pure dark side energies.

Maybe not straight up. But if Sidious pulled out a lightsaber, cut off Dooku's hand then unleashed his lightning, doubt Dooku's gonna be able to block that.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
DE Sidious is a walking Force nexus who can create moon-devouring storms of pure dark side energies.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
DE Sidious is a walking Force nexus who can create moon-devouring storms of pure dark side energies.

Who got one-shotted by Leia. We can do the highball/lowball thing all day if you want.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Who got one-shotted by Leia. We can do the highball/lowball thing all day if you want.

Lol so give me a sane criteria for comparing Wankatine and Dooku and I'll come to the same conclusion with it.

Originally posted by samappo
Maybe not straight up. But if Sidious pulled out a lightsaber, cut off Dooku's hand then unleashed his lightning, doubt Dooku's gonna be able to block that.
Any proof why Dooku can't?

Given that DE Luke and Dooku are both sub-Vader, then him doing anything of the sort to a roughly equally powerful but far more experienced combatant than Luke is certainly debatable.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Given that DE Luke and Dooku are both sub-Vader, then him doing anything of the sort to a roughly equally powerful but far more experienced combatant than Luke is certainly debatable.

DE Luke isn't sub-Vader, and I hope you're not using the quote I think you are going to use.

Base Luke isn't = Vader by ROTJ. Neither is he in DE.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Given that DE Luke and are both sub-Vader

Originally posted by AncientPower
Base Luke isn't = Vader by ROTJ. Neither is he in DE.

Based on...?

Vader has better feats, better accolades and his over-all mastery plus experience just makes him more impressive.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Vader has better feats, better accolades and his over-all mastery plus experience just makes him more impressive.

Eh, Luke matches him in sabers by RotJ and has like another 13 years to grow.

Why isn't there a Star Wars version of Yu-Gi-OH?