Originally posted by Galan007
Jaco's comment is entirely meaningless, imo. The dude can't even sense ki, and is hardly what I would call a 'fighting prodigy'. He was also hiding behind a f*cking rock when he arbitrarily made that comment, lol... He's got uber vision, though, I'll give him that.
Frankly, Piccolo's comment is easy to dismiss as glaringly inconsistent BS. When Tagoma first entered the battle, Gohan outright stated that he was on par with his Boo-era Mystic self, and NO ONE(not even Piccolo, who actually sensed Gohan's ki back then) disagreed with him. Then, after Ginyu took Tagoma's body and blitzed the Z Fighters, Piccolo randomly commented that 'Ginoma' was "stronger than before" -- but we can say with 100% certainty that this couldn't have possibly been the case. After all, RoF-era Gohan was vastly weaker than he was during the Boo-era(he could barely even sustain SSJ at all), yet he still easily one-shot 'Ginoma' after going SSJ. Doesn't add up.
So yeah, I think it's clear that 'Ginoma' was FAR weaker than Tagoma himself... Which also falls perfectly in-line with what we saw on Namek, when Ginyu took Goku's body.
Eh, the only 'plot' is that Ginyu couldn't access all of Goku's power, because he wasn't used to the new body. It is perfectly reasonable(and moreover logical) to assume the same thing happened when he usurped Tagoma's body, imo.
After all, the last sentient being that Ginyu possessed before Tagoma, was Goku... And when Ginyu first possessed Goku's body, he could only tap a small fraction of his power, because he wasn't yet acclimated to the new vessel:
https://i.imgur.com/n6UrzBW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CbXDDSP.jpg
So why would Tagoma's body be any different? I mean, it's not like Ginyu could have possibly improved his body-swap technique, and/or the rate at which he acclimated with a new host, given that he had been trapped inside a phucking FROG since the Namek saga, lol. So yeah, it's obvious the same thing that happened with Goku's body happened with Tagoma's body as well: Ginyu could only use a small fraction of his powers initially, because he was not yet accustomed to the body... I mean, 'Ginoma' himself did mention that much, at least:
https://i.imgur.com/LiWc5wh.jpg
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Yeesh! Sorry for the long-winded response... I was trying to be thorough, not annoying. g007-psyduck
Jaco is weak as a fighter but he's the one who knew what Hit was doing with timeskip, and most of the time is shown to know what he's talking about. He's also responding to what Piccolo says, and that Ginyu can bring out Tagoma's full power.
Piccolo sense powers, was alive during Mystic Gohan (which I still don't buy Tagoma was that level anyway) and sense when Gohan said he's probably as powerful as me at my best, and then said that he had gotten even stronger. There is zero reasons to discount either statement of Jaco or Piccolo, yet take Gohan's statement to heart, when nobody disagreed with Piccolo's statement, that he said out loud. RoF Saga is wildly inconsistent with the rest of the series anyway.
The Goku on Namek part is a completely different thing, and can't be looked at with Tagoma. Ginyu, who has used the technique plenty of times, is confident he can use the body without any troubles. It's Goku who is saying he can't use the body because Goku's power comes from mind and body being as one. Had he taken over Vegeta's body he would have been able to fully access the power. Goku's martial artist mind, and body is what stopped Ginyu not any ability to not be fully accustomed to the body.
Even according to the Daizenshu Ginyu's changed forms so many times only a few people know his original form. So he's not a novice at it, and he changed into bodies that were stronger than him. If there was some time lapse he would know it.
