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Legends

Who wins?

High 8 bordering on 9 > 8.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
High 8 bordering on 9 > 8.

Yes. It's a tough fight though. Mace certainly isn't gonna power stomp Dooku.

By RotS, Windu.

Windu wins. He put his master on his ass.

Dooku wasn't his master.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Dooku wasn't his master. He put Dooku's master on his ass. You're one of those easily confused types. If you need any other help I am always a pm away.

Windu, but it'd be an incredibly close fight.

Originally posted by MythLord
Windu, but it'd be an incredibly close fight. Based on ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He put Dooku's master on his ass. You're one of those easily confused types. If you need any other help I am always a pm away.

Sorry, by default I assume you are retarded.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Windu wins. He put his master on his ass.
Something not beyond Dooku himself.

Going strictly Legends I'd vote for a split or Tyranus for a marginal victory.

Tyranus's saber skills would be enough to give him a solid win, he is technical enough not to rely in the emotions that fuel Vapaad but he has better telekinesis and has a perfect style to beat other duelists. The only reason this is even a fight is because Tyranus is an old man but sadly that's a reality for every fighter: there is someone as talented as you but younger than you are.

Some people postulate that Mace gained a permanent increase in strength and skill from his duel with Sidious.

He was also moving too quickly for baseline Anakin to see.

Originally posted by Pessimystic
Something not beyond Dooku himself.

I posted canon revelations of how Count Dooku views Palpatine in comparison to himself in another thread. Count Dooku have nothing on Palpatine. You should take a trip to stupid town.

Dooku as of ROTS would take Windu.

Dooku's a superior force wielder, with accolades that outstrip Windu's and nothing suggests he's any slower or weaker.

In terms of lightsaber skill and overall mastery, they should be about even although the Count's feats impress me more.

Originally posted by Pessimystic
Something not beyond Dooku himself. Speculation. I have evidence therefore I win, sock.

And what evidence would that be? Windu defeating Palpatine? Do you have any evidence at all suggesting Dooku couldn't do this? You adhere to the 'Mace wasn't being substantially amped' position, correct? Or at least it wasn't a one-off and he can replicate that showing again?

Originally posted by Pessimystic
And what evidence would that be? Windu defeating Palpatine? Do you have any evidence at all suggesting Dooku couldn't do this? You adhere to the 'Mace wasn't being substantially amped' position, correct? Or at least it wasn't a one-off and he can replicate that showing again? We see it happen we don't see Dooku do this to Palpatine. I don't have to disprove your theory you have to prove it. If you don't know how debating works take your trolling elsewhere.

Windu, lmao

Originally posted by Geistalt
Mace was moving too quickly for RotS Anakin to see. Originally posted by Pessimystic
In terms of lightsaber skill and overall mastery, they should be about even although the Count's feats impress me more. Surviving a distracted Yoda is hardly a feat.

Wow moving so fast that someone standing still can't see? So impressive.

I've (and, hopefully, this forum's) had enough of your insane troll logic. Fact is, Anakin beat Tyranus and Mace and Sidious were dueling at a tier above that.

The other three Jedi in the room glanced guiltily at Yoda. He snorted, but laugh lines crinkled around his eyes. "Mm. Thinking of students, I am. Best then I should go to battle with him in whom the Force is strongest, hmm? With young Skywalker, think you?"

"He's not polished," Ilena said.

"And too impulsive," Mace added.

"Hm." Yoda stirred again with his stick. "Then best of all would be the strongest student, yes? Wisest? Most learned in the ways of the Force?" He nodded. "Best of all, Dooku would be!" His eyes found the other Jedi, one by one: and one by one, they looked away. "Our great student!" Yoda's ears flexed, then drooped. "Our great failure."

Yoda calls Dooku the strongest student with Mace in the room. And sources say that Jedi Dooku outsparred Mace, but never the opposite. I'd say an even split because Vaapad is pretty good against dark siders.

There's no reason he couldn't have surpassed Dooku after all that time.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
The other three Jedi in the room glanced guiltily at Yoda. He snorted, but laugh lines crinkled around his eyes. "Mm. Thinking of students, I am. Best then I should go to battle with him in whom the Force is strongest, hmm? With young Skywalker, think you?"

"He's not polished," Ilena said.

"And too impulsive," Mace added.

"Hm." Yoda stirred again with his stick. "Then best of all would be the strongest student, yes? Wisest? Most learned in the ways of the Force?" He nodded. "Best of all, Dooku would be!" His eyes found the other Jedi, one by one: and one by one, they looked away. "Our great student!" Yoda's ears flexed, then drooped. "Our great failure."

Yoda calls Dooku the strongest student with Mace in the room. And sources say that Jedi Dooku outsparred Mace, but never the opposite. I'd say an even split because Vaapad is pretty good against dark siders.
the Committee of logic has missed you, Lord stark.

Proof Windu had a large power growth from TPM to ROTS?

We already know Mace was only possibly Dooku's equal while they were both still Jedi. The Count became even more skilled and powerful after leaving the Order, so somebody please tell me how Mace is so much better?

He beat his more powerful master Sidious. That wasn't so hard.

Originally posted by quanchi112
more powerful master
Which you haven't proven.

Someone confirmed to be Mace's equal/slight superior can't do just as well?

Anakin wouldn't have.

Originally posted by Pessimystic
Which you haven't proven.

Someone confirmed to be Mace's equal/slight superior can't do just as well? He didn't so who cares what you think it's about what you can prove.

You'll be perma banned soon for your spamming. Bye bye.

Unless you think this was a one off event Quanchi, where Mace was amped through the roof?

Because logically, it makes sense Dooku would do just as well if not better.

In every fight Dooku has stomped Ventress and then finally killed her with lightning, Mace needed to use all of his skills to defeat her.

Dooku swiftly disarmed Bulq and force pwned him. Mace duelled evenly, both landed telekinetic blows on one another.

Their fights against Grievous would also be an example of this.

You see.

I've done this type of trolling before. Though it happened in a much more normie centric environment where people were legitimately sick and offended. Know your audience people.

Typical childish overreactions from the butthurt kid.

Neph's praying these posts stay up long enough to rub one out

Originally posted by Pessimystic
Unless you think this was a one off event Quanchi, where Mace was amped through the roof?

Because logically, it makes sense Dooku would do just as well if not better.

In every fight Dooku has stomped Ventress and then finally killed her with lightning, Mace needed to use all of his skills to defeat her.

Dooku swiftly disarmed Bulq and force pwned him. Mace duelled evenly, both landed telekinetic blows on one another.

Their fights against Grievous would also be an example of this. I don't have to prove anything since the facts show he won. You can't prove Windu wouldn't lost every other time. You just ask questions and speculate which isn't debating,

Dooku was held captive by Hondo's pirate pals and he was killed quickly and decisively by Anakij whi was defeated by Kenobi. Windu beat Sidious Dooku hasn't. Condolences.

- Mace is only able to match Dooku while they're both still Jedi (A source says Windu is better, another says the Count is.)

- 'Dooku became even more formidable after leaving the Order and joining the Sith'

- Dooku has been listed as one of history's most powerful Force practitioners, Mace has not.

This all places the Count over Windu.

If Mace wasn't amped during his duel with Sidious, why would someone superior perform worse? They wouldn't. But you're not willing to concede that Windu can't replicate that showing every time or that Dooku is equal to Mace.

First off, TCW is rife with inconsistencies, and if someone superior to Windu was held captive by Hondo's crew, what makes you think Mace would instantly escape or outright evade his captors?

Killed quickly and decisively by an enraged Anakin who'd temporarily unlocked his potential. Mustafar Anakin was hindered, there's no comparing these two Anakin's as Dooku has easily dealt with Obi-Wan many times.

Originally posted by Pessimystic
- Mace is only able to match Dooku while they're both still Jedi (A source says Windu is better, another says the Count is.)

- 'Dooku became even more formidable after leaving the Order and joining the Sith'

- Dooku has been listed as one of history's most powerful Force practitioners, Mace has not.

This all places the Count over Windu.

If Mace wasn't amped during his duel with Sidious, why would someone superior perform worse? They wouldn't. But you're not willing to concede that Windu can't replicate that showing every time or that Dooku is equal to Mace.

First off, TCW is rife with inconsistencies, and if someone superior to Windu was held captive by Hondo's crew, what makes you think Mace would instantly escape or outright evade his captors?

Killed quickly and decisively by an enraged Anakin who'd temporarily unlocked his potential. Mustafar Anakin was hindered, there's no comparing these two Anakin's as Dooku has easily dealt with Obi-Wan many times. I have facts you have opinions. Facts > opinions.

So your logic Quanchi is, if it hasn't happened yet it can't happen?

- One with inferior skill and power defeats Sidious.
- One with greater skill and power can't beat Sidious because it hasn't happened.

I never realised how truly stupid you were until now.

I wonder if this has anything to do with your Maul wank, and you not accepting Dooku's better at everything?

Originally posted by Pessimystic
So your logic Quanchi is, if it hasn't happened yet it can't happen?

- One with inferior skill and power defeats Sidious.
- One with greater skill and power can't beat Sidious because it hasn't happened.

I never realised how truly stupid you were until now.

I wonder if this has anything to do with your Maul wank, and you not accepting Dooku's better at everything? Not at all. My logic is something that has happened is a fact. Something that hasn't happened is speculative at best. I go by the facts not mere possibilities. Windu beating Sidious holds more weight than the possibility of Dooku who is weaker in the force and in dueling skill getting the better of Sidious.

Windu's skill was superior to Sidious' whereas we have never seen Dooku to be able to outduel Sidious with a saber.

Not saying it can't happen only that is hasn't happened therefore carries less weight.

You misunderstand my posts but I don't care what your thoughts are. So save them for someone who cares about you. Perhaps your mother but judging from out interactions I'd say it is safe to say she regrets you.

Dooku is more powerful in the force than Maul but Maul is a more physical and skilled duelist IMO than Dooku.

Originally posted by Geistalt
There's no reason he couldn't have surpassed Dooku after all that time.


Except this was in the midst of the Clone Wars during Yoda: Dark Rendezvous.

If people can't realize that characters can have situational advantages in Star Wars I don't see the point of debating battles. The ABC logic can only take you so far when every source there is explains to us there were critical factors affecting each battle.

Dooku would win if this is pre-TPM, Mace if TPM, Dooku if AOTC, Mace if ROTS.

Since it's presumably ROTS, Mace in a good fight.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Except this was in the midst of the Clone Wars during Yoda: Dark Rendezvous. May I see the quote? If he's still considered greater than Mace by then, the only advantage Mace has here is Vaapad.

Mace surpassed Dooku toward the end of the war, IMO, tbh. ^

Despite that not making sense?

Why doesn't it make sense? The Outer Rim Sieges also saw Obi-Wan and Anakin significantly increase in ability.

I also feel Dark Rendezvous no longer falls under 19 BBY due to TCW, and that instead it should be pushed to the early-war.

So while they're both still Jedi, Dooku's understanding of the Force was far beyond his peers and was the Jedi's strongest and wisest student.

Without even factoring in the Count's power growth after leaving the Order, Mace couldn't have closed this gap fighting in some Outer Rim missions.

Jedi Dooku holds an edge over pre-TPM Mace due to power, but sources do state they are equal in combat.

Around TPM, multiple sources state Mace has become / is on par with TPM Yoda, thereby indicating he surpassed Dooku.

Dooku presumably catches up and surpasses Mace by AotC and into the Clone Wars due to dark-side studying.

Mace, based on his fight with Sheev, statements by George, and accolades around RotS, surpassed Dooku once more.

There's definitely a back-and-forth dynamic between Mace and Dooku that you're missing. I also think you underestimate how much Obi-Wan improved with just the Outer Rim Sieges. His lightsaber skills are easily comparable with Dooku in the RotS novel - yet months before the Outer Rim Sieges that was definitely not the case. It's logical to assume the same happened to Mace, given, again, his feats and hype around RotS.

TPM Mace is practically confirmed to be more powerful than Dooku.

Obi Wan and Anakin partial improved because they had a bigger room for improvement to begin with. I think it's reasonable to believe the war greatly improved Windu's fighting prowess but I don't see why it would put him above Tyranus by itself -as he was an advanced combattant before the war even started-.

If anything I think Dooku might've grown slightly weaker after the war only by the virtue of getting older. At his peak he might as well beat peak Windu in a fair fight.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
TPM Mace is practically confirmed to be more powerful than Dooku.

Really?