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no weapons. this would be a good one i think....

Punisher destroys him. What did Rorschach do to cause this debate besides get beat up by Ozy and overwhelmed by some street level cops?

i dunno. rorschach took a beating from ozy, was bounced off walls and stone tables by someone who was blatantly superhuman. he also demonstrated low level super powers himself with some of jumps and speed. he was also quite skilled, though clearly well below ozy. i'm unsure of this one tbh. /shrug

Punisher from S2 daredevil would win

Punisher from his own show would lose.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Punisher from S2 daredevil would win

Punisher from his own show would lose. the show gave him better feats than s2 daredevil did.

Originally posted by deathslash
the show gave him better feats than s2 daredevil did. maybe for taking a beating

Originally posted by xJLxKing
maybe for taking a beating you're acting as if they're completely separate characters. All of those feats were performed by the same guy.

Originally posted by deathslash

the show gave him better feats than s2 daredevil did.

Please remind me of them? Serious question.

Daredevil's Punisher had the massive prison fight, taking blows from Kingpin, going toe to toe with DD himself, who was definitely low super human.

In his own show he looked like Jason Bourne would beat him.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Please remind me of them? Serious question.

Daredevil's Punisher had the massive prison fight, taking blows from Kingpin, going toe to toe with DD himself, who was definitely low super human.

In his own show he looked like Jason Bourne would beat him.
He just generally looked better.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zG-JkwRZRJQ
Shooting someone from a country away.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v3TzG1P1djA
Far faster and more precise than how he killed the Irish in daredevil S2.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qPir34lBlWM
Getting shot by an arrow, getting shot by a high caliber rifle twice and then nearly bleeding out. Got up a day later none the worse for wear and even owned a squad of highly trained soldiers not long after.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6QMZEiW-Lf0

This is what he looks like after his later fought Lewis.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cEsXlQbIu9Q

He then (while still injured) easily murders an entire hit squad of Anvil soldiers.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qEHkfnlrlas
Before he even got into the shoot out, he killed three other soldiers, cut off the third ones head, attached a grenades to it, and then threw it at the other soldiers.

Easily kills an armed man with broken ribs, broken bones, missing teeth, a concussion, and contusions (these are all confirmed by a doctor next episode too).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V8G3jHhZZLg
Note how he shrugged off getting stabbed.

Not even a day later, he tries to kill Billy.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pnw5NfxNtOM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kfwLL4LMiBU

This all culminated in a heavily injured Frank fighting a peak form Billy. Russo even uses hostages to first distract and then threaten Frank. The punisher (with his broken ribs) then gets shot in the chest twice, evenly fights the highly trained soldier of the same caliber as he is, gets a knife through his arm, and still kicks Russo's ass hard.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hYV0s5A7kpw

Keep in mind, all of this happened over a month.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Please remind me of them? Serious question.

Daredevil's Punisher had the massive prison fight, taking blows from Kingpin, going toe to toe with DD himself, who was definitely low super human.

In his own show he looked like Jason Bourne would beat him. Bourne would give DD a tough fight tho.