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Can Valkorion supplant the will of the Force with his own by taking command of his midi-chlorians and mutating them to suit his purposes, or come close to the combined power of 42BBY Plagueis and Sidious who tainted the entire galaxy with the dark side simply by willing it so? Does Valkorion have any Force attacks more potent than lightsaber plasma, the latter being blocked by the likes of Bane and Zannah, whom Tenebrous is infinitely superior to?

Not sure actually. Tenebrous's Force feats are incredibly powerful, but they're not so astronomical as Plagueis's to make this clear cut.

How does Valkorion win, Ell?

Valkorion's room consuming lightning swallows Tenebrous

Originally posted by Pessimystic
Valkorion's room consuming lightning swallows Tenebrous

Has Valkorion's Lightning penetrated lightsaber-resistant barriers beforr?

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Bumpzie

Originally posted by Azronger
Has Valkorion's Lightning penetrated lightsaber-resistant barriers beforr?

You saying he couldn't penetrate Foundry Revan's Barriers, with Lightning, even though he overwhelmed a stronger version using what he felt was a better choice than a barrier.

Valk freezes time and uses Tenebrous as a sex slave.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
You saying he couldn't penetrate Foundry Revan's Barriers, with Lightning, even though he overwhelmed a stronger version using what he felt was a better choice than a barrier.

Proof for Revan being able to deflect lightsaber blades with a Force Barrier?

Originally posted by Azronger
Proof for Revan being able to deflect lightsaber blades with a Force Barrier?
The Strike team not cutting him down both on the foundry/Temple of sacrifice and the emperors sanctum, when he created force barriers, the ****ers couldn't scratch him, even though it would of been ideal for them..

Valkorion, obviously.

You have Satele shan using Tutaminis on a Light saber.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
The Strike team not cutting him down both on the foundry/Temple of sacrifice and the emperors sanctum, when he created force barriers, the ****ers couldn't scratch him, even though it would of been ideal for them..

Proof?

Valkorion, solidly.

Originally posted by Azronger
Proof?

As I recall in the Foundry when you get him to low health he creates an invulnerable barrier at that point and teleports away:

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10.47. Their attacks have no effect, see.

He does much the same thing in the temple of sacrifice. IIRC when he's ragdolling everyone except the player he also creates an invulnerable bubble. Revan's a ****ing beast.

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It's a consistent ability that Revan uses - plus correlates with statements made in the Book of the Sith that such an ability is possible.

Anyway, Revan beats Tenebrous - Valkorion doesn't even have to show up.

Revan beats Valk as well though

Are we just going to assume every game mechanic maps onto reality now? Wanna set that precedent?

Darth Tenebrae wins

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Are we just going to assume every game mechanic maps onto reality now? Wanna set that precedent?
That's... actually EU policy - a lot of people just generally ignore it.

That being said, there's obvious deviations to be considered.

Scripted game mechanics and live game mechanics should be treated differently.

They also shouldn't overrule other preexisting statements.

Yeah, Ant, show me a statement that declares those kinds of game mechanics canonical.

Bump.

Did Tenebrous consume a planet?

Valkorion, handily.

Not a stomp, Deronn?

Welp, eating two planets speaks volume to Vitiate's Force power. So. . .

Valkorion.

Sion tier,
tenebrous couldn't keep the majority of his midichorians alive, after death, and infact needed a live host for them.
Kek.

The only difference is he knew about Midichlorians and managed to transfer them.
Which only proves knowledge, not power.

I actually doubt time stopping would help here, given that someone far weaker than Tenebrous can use it, and power does factor into how effective it will be against the target.

Valk can't stop time.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Valk can't stop time.

Can't believe some still think he can, I mean he outright admitted that he doesn't stop time and it's still going...

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Can't believe some still think he can, I mean he outright admitted that he doesn't stop time and it's still going...
TBF, that Valkorian wasn't close to Full power.

Him growing in strength doesn't change the nature of his power.

Originally posted by ILS
I actually doubt time stopping would help here, given that someone far weaker than Tenebrous can use it, and power does factor into how effective it will be against the target.

Yup. This is supported by Tenebrous himself actually, since he has presumably experienced it in combat himself as he did beat his Master, a Sith who can manipulate time to a major degree. He did this with his "customary efficiency" - the wording implies he didn't have any significant trouble there, which would not be surprising considering that while still an apprentice, Tenebrous went "far beyond" the stuff his Master taught him, which he deemed "simplistic" to boot. All of this happened presumably in two decades or less, given how the lifespan of Bith's wouldn't allow for much longer than that.

Tenebrous then grew in power for a century more; if all it took for him to completely overshadow all the greatest abilities of the Banite Sith was a few decades at best, just imagine what that kind of growth quadrupled or quintupled would result in. Most likely any chronomantic displays of power on Valkorion's part would be met with nothing if not relentless condescension and effortless resistance - in fact that's lowballing Tenebrous since he already deemed what the Vitidiots fawn over the most petty conjurer's cheap tricks that were beneath his notice, and again, to reiterate, while still an apprentice.

Tenebrous beats Valkorion.

I like how the Tenebrous brigade pretends that Valkorion needs any kind of time manipulation to stomp when he's got the best combat feats in the mythos.

I was wondering if Valkorion's ability to stop time is in fact kinetic energy drain, like Turtle on the Flash.