Lucifer Morningstar VERSUS Thanos(HOTU)

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LordofBrooklyn
Lucifer Morningstar

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VERSUS

Thanos

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Morningstar or Madness?

Digi
No idea, but at least this is a better thread than that Sentry nonsense.

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by Digi
No idea, but at least this is a better thread than that Sentry nonsense.

VOTE COWARD!!!

Damborgson
What's Morningstars best feat? No selling a universe buster I think?

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by Damborgson
What's Morningstars best feat? No selling a universe buster I think?

Destroying every Norse pantheon in the Multiverse by pointing his finger.

quanchi112
Thanos doesn't need an amp to defeat this cur.

SquallX
Originally posted by Damborgson
What's Morningstars best feat? No selling a universe buster I think?

Tanking Michaels powers point blank,, then shaping and creating his own Multiverse.

SquallX
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos doesn't need an amp to defeat this cur.

Be quiet.

Damborgson
Hmmm...and Thanos' would be absorbing the multiverses protector, LT...

Its hard to make a decision at these levels of power.

quanchi112
Originally posted by SquallX
Be quiet.


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LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos doesn't need an amp to defeat this cur.

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DO IT THANOSI!!

quanchi112
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
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DO IT THANOSI!!

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LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by quanchi112
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quanchi112
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
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LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by quanchi112
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SquallX
Originally posted by Damborgson
Hmmm...and Thanos' would be absorbing the multiverses protector, LT...

Its hard to make a decision at these levels of power.

There pretty much even. In the end, the winner is the one you like best.

quanchi112
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
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LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by SquallX
There pretty much even. In the end, the winner is the one you like best.

I would say that Morningstar displayed more versatility with his powers and under more duress.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Originally posted by Damborgson
What's Morningstars best feat? No selling a universe buster I think?

Lucifer is a casually Multiversal + being.

Going with him in this thread.

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by quanchi112
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quanchi112
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
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LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by quanchi112
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quanchi112
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LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by quanchi112
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quanchi112
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
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LordofBrooklyn
You've HUMBLED yourself before me.

NOW, PROVE why Dione beats The Morningstar!!!

MrMind
Lucifer= the will of Presence
Hotu=a fragmentary glimpse of TOAA power

Lucifer wins with his eyes close

in before marvel fanboys claiming Presence is not equal to TOAA lol

MrMind
also been done
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=620632&pagenumber=1

quanchi112
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You've HUMBLED yourself before me.

NOW, PROVE why Dione beats The Morningstar!!! No, you made me sick and stopped the gif off first. I won. Thanos absorbs him. Lucy ain't shit. He was beat up all the time.

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you made me sick and stopped the gif off first. I won. Thanos absorbs him. Lucy ain't shit. He was beat up all the time.

So Thanos has MORE power than the Presence in your opinion?

leonidas
Obviously the better match up is sentry vs thanos with the hotu. That would be a barn burner. Personally I think sentry would kill him dead. thumb up

quanchi112
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
So Thanos has MORE power than the Presence in your opinion? Absorbs the presence.

NoctisOwen
Lucifer without too much trouble

quanchi112
Originally posted by NoctisOwen
Lucifer without too much trouble Based on ?

SquallX
Originally posted by quanchi112
Absorbs the presence.

Based on?

Stoic
Originally posted by MrMind
Lucifer= the will of Presence
Hotu=a fragmentary glimpse of TOAA power

Lucifer wins with his eyes close

in before marvel fanboys claiming Presence is not equal to TOAA lol

So Lucifer a fallen Angel, who was rendered mortal in a sense, because he no longer possessed true immortality is the will of God in comics? Interesting spin on things.

RangerDX
Didn't HOTU get retconned into universal?

Galan007
^ Regardless what some would have you believe, THOTI has always been universal... Or at least, Thanos only used it in a universal capacity. That much is nothing new.

The biggest revelation pertains to THOTI itself- We used to believe it represented the sum total of TOAA's power, but it has since been retconned into a mere "fragmentary glimpse" of said power.

Another revelation was LT(because destroying him was previously one of THOTI's best feats)- We used to believe there was only one LT in the whole of existence, who governed over all multiverseS simultaneously. However, LT has since been retconned in such a way that a different version of himself exists within each and every universe of the multiverse/omniverse(just like every other cosmic/abstract being in Marvel.) IOW, the LT who Thanos /w/ THOTI destroyed was just the universal LT of 616 specifically.


*Oh, and Starlin himself is responsible for the aforementioned retcons, btw... So they are undoubtedly intended to apply to his works, at the very least.

SquallX

quanchi112
Originally posted by SquallX
Based on? Presence resides in all of reality whereas Thanos has shown able to absorb all of reality. Logic wins the day.

SquallX

Mr Master
So is this "pre-retcon" HOTI or "post retcon?'" .... Akhenaten, who was only tapping the HOTI, not only raped Eternity/Infinity, but one-shot killed all the Skyfathers who were located in a Distant universe away /outside 616, PLUS AK's personal sanctuary was a blending of universeS, ... yeah, only "tappig." Thanos merged with the HOTI, stomping AK, absorbing Gamora and Atleza who were outside 616 with Warlock (his survival was due to his unique nature) and also eating the simultaneously existing in all MultiverseS LT. If this isn't a pissing contest, then the scale of Thanos' final absorption is irrelevant since the true feat is eaily erasing the current most powerful entity in the omniverse. We KNOW Thanos was FAR beyond universal regardless of the magnitude of his final absorption. Let's not forget, he bonded, became everything in the Omniverse, but Starlin kept the meat of the story relating to 616. Still Thanos travelled outside 616 when he stomped AK's PAST-self in Reality-4321. (representing an alternate 1331 BC) Thanos also remade a Reality situated in a PAST 2000 yearS before 4321, so that the "Celestial Order" never found the HOTI. So the HOTI empowered Thanos was God-like outside 616 unquestionably. @ My post is based on "pre-retcon" HOTI.

Zack M
Lucifer.

zopzop
Originally posted by Mr Master
So is this "pre-retcon" HOTI or "post retcon?'" .... Akhenaten, who was only tapping the HOTI, not only raped Eternity/Infinity, but one-shot killed all the Skyfathers who were located in a Distant universe away /outside 616, PLUS AK's personal sanctuary was a blending of universeS, ... yeah, only "tappig." Thanos merged with the HOTI, stomping AK, absorbing Gamora and Atleza who were outside 616 with Warlock (his survival was due to his unique nature) and also eating the simultaneously existing in all MultiverseS LT. If this isn't a pissing contest, then the scale of Thanos' final absorption is irrelevant since the true feat is eaily erasing the current most powerful entity in the omniverse. We KNOW Thanos was FAR beyond universal regardless of the magnitude of his final absorption. Let's not forget, he bonded, became everything in the Omniverse, but Starlin kept the meat of the story relating to 616. Still Thanos travelled outside 616 when he stomped AK's PAST-self in Reality-4321. (representing an alternate 1331 BC) Thanos also remade a Reality situated in a PAST 2000 yearS before 4321, so that the "Celestial Order" never found the HOTI. So the HOTI empowered Thanos was God-like outside 616 unquestionably. @ My post is based on "pre-retcon" HOTI.
WOot Mr. M! Happy New Year my friend.

As to the thread, it don't matter post or pre retcon, Thanos with the HotU wins.

RealityWarper
Thanos rips him in half.

quanchi112

WolverineX25
Thanos was able to overpower the Living Tribunal who is the Second Most Powerful Entity in the Marvel Omniverse. In pure power level, Thanos with HOTU should be able to defeat Lucifer Morningstar.

That being said, the two advantages that Lucifer Morningstar would have are:

1. Thanos was pretty much manipulated by TOAA to use the HOTU as part of whatever cosmic flaw was needed to be corrected to reset the timeline, including 616 and the local multiverse.

2. Lucifer Morningstar existed for over 10 Billion Years. His knowledge and experience far surpasses Thanos'. What Thanos accomplished as a biological being is far more impressive than what Lucifer Morningstar has proportionately accomplished. Still, Lucifer has the mind, experience, and natural cosmic awareness that Thanos has taken longer to catch up with.


This one is really close. Not sure who takes this...

SSJGGogeta
Lucifer, easily.

Lucifer = casually multiversal

HOTU Thanos = Universal

TethAdamTheRock
Originally posted by WolverineX25
Thanos was able to overpower the Living Tribunal who is the Second Most Powerful Entity in the Marvel Omniverse. He's not

xJLxKing
I thought LT was retconned to have a version of himself in every universe?

quanchi112
Thanos doesn't need the HOTU to destroy Lucy.

NewGuy01
Lol is this for real? laughing out loud

RealityWarper
Thanos rips him in half.

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Thanos rips him in half.

You can't be serious.

RealityWarper
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You can't be serious.

I am.

Lucifer isn't even Universal.

Michael's power is Universal and Lucifer has the Will to shape it.

That shouldn't even be bring in the debate...

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos doesn't need the HOTU to destroy Lucy.

Right, because it wouldn't make any difference against Lucifer.

You're putting a mutant alien with universal reality warping, up against the literal equivalent of the demiurgic might of God himself.

There is no one above Lucifer, except God himself- i.e. The Presence.

He is able to casually create multiverses, and exist simply above concepts of dimensions within the Overvoid. Meaning he is literally infinitely above beings such as Mandrakk, Cosmic Armor Superman, Mr. Myx, etc.

Lucifer could literally just send Thanos' soul straight to Hell, where he would be tormented for all eternity. Or simply just unmake Thanos and his entire multiverse with a thought.

Lucifer is conceptually above any/every being, other than God himself.

Thanos is nothing in comparison, lol. Even with the IG, HOTU, etc, all at once. That'd be like putting an ant up against an exploding sun, and giving the ant a wooden sword and chain mail armor.

This quite literally wouldn't even register as a blip on Lucifer's radar, as Thanos and his entire multiverse were swept into nothingness with a single though.

RealityWarper
The way Mike Carey intended "Multiverse" is in fact "Universe", in the battle forum definition, which means a Single Reality by Marvel's definition...

Lucifer isn't Universal in power.

Michael is Universal in power and Lucifer just can shape it...

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by RealityWarper
The way Mike Carey intended "Multiverse" is in fact "Universe", in the battle forum definition, which means a Single Reality by Marvel's definition...

Lucifer isn't Universal in power.

Michael is Universal in power and Lucifer just can shape it...

1. You made that up.

2. Wrong.

3. Uh, no.

Lucifer is literally the will of God. He has created multiverses in the past, and literally exists outside of creation itself, within the Overvoid. His brother Michael is his only equal, and the Presence(Yaweh) is his only superior.

He's literally able to do anything, other than create something from nothing. Meaning he can destroy anything, on any scale. His powers of creation simply require that he has access to "creation", meaning he can change energy into matter, or vice-versa. He simply can't create something from "nothing". This is the only limit to his power, aside from being below Yaweh.

I don't think you realize the scope of Morningstar. He is literally the shaper of creation, that exists in a realm which is inconceivable to anything within creation- other than his brother and father.

Yaweh > Lucifer ~ Michael > Everything else

backup
Lucifer wins.

RealityWarper
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
1. You made that up.

2. Wrong.

3. Uh, no.




I have already shown the tweets of Mike Carey on the topic. There is no debate possible about it.




Blah blah blah 100% bullshit like usual.

Nothing to debate.

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by RealityWarper
I have already shown the tweets of Mike Carey on the topic. There is no debate possible about it.




Blah blah blah 100% bullshit like usual.

Nothing to debate.

Lmao, I accept your concession. No one even takes you seriously, you're just a troll. laughing

RealityWarper

Zack M
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Lmao, I accept your concession. No one even takes you seriously, you're just a troll. laughing

thumb up

RealityWarper
Single Universe with Michael's power.

Someone dares calling me a troll. laughing out loud


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Zack M
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RealityWarper
Still what I am saying.

Universal:


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A Reality is the collection of an Earth-like universe and all other realms associated with that universe. For example, in general, there is one Negative Zone, one Asgard, and one Dark Dimension associated with each Earth universe. The collection of all associated realms is a Reality. Further changes to the history of a realm will alter its reality. In most cases, this actually involves overlapping or merging one reality with another.

Zack M
MULTI.

quanchi112
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Right, because it wouldn't make any difference against Lucifer.

You're putting a mutant alien with universal reality warping, up against the literal equivalent of the demiurgic might of God himself.

There is no one above Lucifer, except God himself- i.e. The Presence.

False, you're twisting the context of Lucy's abilities. He had the power to shape reality but the power resides in his brighter Michael. So Lucas's function is controlling those energies in a controlled setting which has no bearing on this fight. Firstly he was not unbeatable prior or unable to being harmed. Hell, his more powerful brother Michael was defeated by Sandolphon himself when he turned his back. Despite having the power to defeat the host of the opposition his body was quite vulnerable. Lucy doesn't have anywhere near the level of power of his brother who was defeated by far less than Thanos.

False, not that it really matters but let's delve into this a litt more specifically. The writer has went on record to state universe but both the word universe and multiverse were used. The crux it this doesn't matter as less than universal power can defeat him.

His ability is to reshape these energies not that he can take on this level of power directly. He did so in a controlled setting and this is literally his function. It's another matter entirely to pit him against someone in a battle as we see in the books. Thanos is someone who had the willpower to control the supreme power within the hotu. This wasn't his function either this is what he learned to do on his own throughout his life experiences making it vastly more impressive than Lucy whose own initial instincts is to do so. Presence tasked him with this function just as Michael was given the power to do so.
Based off what showing ? Scans.

False, his own more powerful brother was defeated by someone far less powerful than Thanos in Sandolphon.

Horrific explanation without any evidence to lead any reasonable poster to these conclusions. Thanos wins without the HOTU. He decimated his universe whe he wanted to far too many times for Lucy to stand a chance.

RealityWarper
Originally posted by quanchi112
False, you're twisting the context of Lucy's abilities. He had the power to shape reality but the power resides in his brighter Michael. So Lucas's function is controlling those energies in a controlled setting which has no bearing on this fight. Firstly he was not unbeatable prior or unable to being harmed. Hell, his more powerful brother Michael was defeated by Sandolphon himself when he turned his back. Despite having the power to defeat the host of the opposition his body was quite vulnerable. Lucy doesn't have anywhere near the level of power of his brother who was defeated by far less than Thanos.

False, not that it really matters but let's delve into this a litt more specifically. The writer has went on record to state universe but both the word universe and multiverse were used. The crux it this doesn't matter as less than universal power can defeat him.

His ability is to reshape these energies not that he can take on this level of power directly. He did so in a controlled setting and this is literally his function. It's another matter entirely to pit him against someone in a battle as we see in the books. Thanos is someone who had the willpower to control the supreme power within the hotu. This wasn't his function either this is what he learned to do on his own throughout his life experiences making it vastly more impressive than Lucy whose own initial instincts is to do so. Presence tasked him with this function just as Michael was given the power to do so.
Based off what showing ? Scans.

False, his own more powerful brother was defeated by someone far less powerful than Thanos in Sandolphon.

Horrific explanation without any evidence to lead any reasonable poster to these conclusions. Thanos wins without the HOTU. He decimated his universe whe he wanted to far too many times for Lucy to stand a chance.

PWNED ! thumb up

Zack M
Still Multi. wink

quanchi112
Originally posted by Zack M
Still Multi. wink Nah.

RealityWarper
Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah.

He is clearly trolling like a five years old and he expect that anyone will take the bait. Obvious bait is obvious.

quanchi112
Originally posted by RealityWarper
He is clearly trolling like a five years old and he expect that anyone will take the bait. Obvious bait is obvious. I know but it's fun for me to still get the last word in with him.

RealityWarper
Originally posted by quanchi112
I know but it's fun for me to still get the last word in with him.

Too easy.

U-N-I-V-E-R-S-A-L

Diesldude

RealityWarper

quanchi112

Zack M
Yep. Lucy is beyond any thanoos

SSJGGogeta
Lucifer = Michael

This has been established canon since their story began, you dullards.

"Creation" = infinite dimensions

Universe = finite dimensions

Creation, in true context outside of hyperbole > Multiverse > Universe

Anyone arguing that Lucifer could even have a chance of losing is a fool. Thanos would literally be as helpless against Lucifer as an ant against the meteor that killed the dinosaurs.

RealityWarper
My god the bullshitting again...

quanchi112
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Lucifer = Michael

This has been established canon since their story began, you dullards.

"Creation" = infinite dimensions

Universe = finite dimensions

Creation, in true context outside of hyperbole > Multiverse > Universe

Anyone arguing that Lucifer could even have a chance of losing is a fool. Thanos would literally be as helpless against Lucifer as an ant against the meteor that killed the dinosaurs. False, Michael is far more powerful than Lucy. This has been established whereas Lucy has the superior determination.

You have yet to make an argument and would rather insult without any evidence to suggest otherwise. I'll take that as a concession.

Thanos megastomps.

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by quanchi112
False, Michael is far more powerful than Lucy. This has been established whereas Lucy has the superior determination.

You have yet to make an argument and would rather insult without any evidence to suggest otherwise. I'll take that as a concession.

Thanos megastomps.

First off, Michael and Lucifer are, and have always been, equals. In fact, Lucifer has defeated Michael before. I can post scans.

Secondly, you clearly have never read the series, because you're misunderstanding the purpose of Michael and Lucifer. Michael holds all the power of God, while Lucifer holds all the will of God. Lucifer can tank Michael's attacks simply because he WILLS it. He can survive the might of God himself, because he wills to.

Just like he would erase Thanos from existence, simply because he wills to.

I've given countless reasons as to why Thanos doesn't even come close to the realm of Lucifer, you and RW are just too stupid to understand them. You're both obvious trolls, so I'm not even hoping to accomplish anything here, other than making sure that serious posters know that Thanos is less than an ant to Lucifer.

Until Thanos can survive a fight with TOAA, he can't beat Lucifer.

quanchi112
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
First off, Michael and Lucifer are, and have always been, equals. In fact, Lucifer has defeated Michael before. I can post scans.

Secondly, you clearly have never read the series, because you're misunderstanding the purpose of Michael and Lucifer. Michael holds all the power of God, while Lucifer holds all the will of God. Lucifer can tank Michael's attacks simply because he WILLS it. He can survive the might of God himself, because he wills to.

Just like he would erase Thanos from existence, simply because he wills to.

I've given countless reasons as to why Thanos doesn't even come close to the realm of Lucifer, you and RW are just too stupid to understand them. You're both obvious trolls, so I'm not even hoping to accomplish anything here, other than making sure that serious posters know that Thanos is less than an ant to Lucifer.

Until Thanos can survive a fight with TOAA, he can't beat Lucifer. Not equal in terms of power. We are discussing power. If you read the series you'd understand this.

Michael can defeat the entire host of angels with his own power with a gesture including Lucy. Lucy can't will himself through anything if he loses his power. Try reading the series and grasping it.

Prove it with a scan of him removing someone from existence of Thanos' power.

You're upset Thanos wins over Lucy who is weak. He failed to best Michael but Sandolphon easily defeated him when he left himself exposed.

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not equal in terms of power. We are discussing power. If you read the series you'd understand this.

Michael can defeat the entire host of angels with his own power with a gesture including Lucy. Lucy can't will himself through anything if he loses his power. Try reading the series and grasping it.

Prove it with a scan of him removing someone from existence of Thanos' power.

You're upset Thanos wins over Lucy who is weak. He failed to best Michael but Sandolphon easily defeated him when he left himself exposed.

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Lucifer was literally made to control the demiurge, while Michael contains it. Michael has lost to Lucifer before. Lucifer has tanked the entirety of the demiurge. Michael holds all of God's power, Lucifer controls it.

Even Death of the Endless was scared of Lucifer, and Dream of the Endless was worried because Lucifer swore to kill him- which is why he was willing to alleviate Lucifer from his reign over Hell.

These are literally omniversal, abstract concepts here, of death and dream. Literally to kill either of them, all creation would have to be gone- which Lucifer was capable of making happen.

quanchi112
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
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https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/9116/528707-photo4.jpg So you attempt to twist your claims once again by posting irrelevant scans.


Let's make this interesting. You repping your feminine god Lucy against the G.O.A.T. THANOS with the HOTU.

Then I can give this the time it deserves. You game ?

Zack M
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
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Lucifer was literally made to control the demiurge, while Michael contains it. Michael has lost to Lucifer before. Lucifer has tanked the entirety of the demiurge. Michael holds all of God's power, Lucifer controls it.

Even Death of the Endless was scared of Lucifer, and Dream of the Endless was worried because Lucifer swore to kill him- which is why he was willing to alleviate Lucifer from his reign over Hell.

These are literally omniversal, abstract concepts here, of death and dream. Literally to kill either of them, all creation would have to be gone- which Lucifer was capable of making happen.

Amazing.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Zack M
Amazing. Slapping an angel or performing his function is amazing.


laughing out loud

RealityWarper
Originally posted by quanchi112
Slapping an angel or performing his function is amazing.


laughing out loud

BATTLEZONE HIM.

quanchi112
Originally posted by RealityWarper
BATTLEZONE HIM. Lets see if he has the balls. I lost most of my comics but my ancient iPad does have the lucifer series on it. I'll pay and download Marvel's the end. And we can begin next Monday if this schmuck has any balls.

RealityWarper
Originally posted by quanchi112
Lets see if he has the balls. I lost most of my comics but my ancient iPad does have the lucifer series on it. I'll pay and download Marvel's the end. And we can begin next Monday if this schmuck has any balls.

If you need issues and scan I can provide.


Show him the true power of Dione.

quanchi112
Originally posted by RealityWarper
If you need issues and scan I can provide.


Show him the true power of Dione. Why thank you but anything I don't have I'll buy. Thanos vs Lucifer could bring me back into the fray as far as comic book battlezones go. I've heard the nonsense from the Lucy fanboys for years and when you read the comics you just laugh at the Trumpian embellishments.

RealityWarper
Originally posted by quanchi112
Why thank you but anything I don't have I'll buy. Thanos vs Lucifer could bring me back into the fray as far as comic book battlezones go. I've heard the nonsense from the Lucy fanboys for years and when you read the comics you just laugh at the Trumpian embellishments.

That's so true at so many levels and about so much characters...

RangerDX
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
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Lucifer was literally made to control the demiurge, while Michael contains it. Michael has lost to Lucifer before. Lucifer has tanked the entirety of the demiurge. Michael holds all of God's power, Lucifer controls it.

Even Death of the Endless was scared of Lucifer, and Dream of the Endless was worried because Lucifer swore to kill him- which is why he was willing to alleviate Lucifer from his reign over Hell.

These are literally omniversal, abstract concepts here, of death and dream. Literally to kill either of them, all creation would have to be gone- which Lucifer was capable of making happen.

Dream straight up admitted he was SHOOK

https://i.imgur.com/LWFWiaS.jpg

SquallX

quanchi112

RealityWarper

Zack M
Multiverse, according to Casey.

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you attempt to twist your claims once again by posting irrelevant scans.


Let's make this interesting. You repping your feminine god Lucy against the G.O.A.T. THANOS with the HOTU.

Then I can give this the time it deserves. You game ?

Irrelevant? It's irrelevant that Lucifer has beaten and tanked the full power of Michael Demiurgos, who has quite literally infinite power over infinite dimensions? Or that he no-sold him with a backhand? Michael, who possesses the power of God himself? Meaning beings like Mandrakk and CA Superman are less than ants to him? Yeah, makes sense. thumb up

If you want to battlezone this, I'm more than game. But I pick the judge, and the loser gets a permanent ban- also, if you lose, which you will, RW gets a permanent ban too. You realize that the majority of HOTU Thanos' feats were retconned, right? Lmao, you're getting perma-banned in a heartbeat. laughing

If you agree to my terms, I'm game- because I will gladly rid this forum of any troll that I can. Otherwise, gtfo. You haven't made a single case as to why Thanos wins. You and RW are obvious trolls, and I can't wait to get rid of you two. Otherwise, you're cowards and I'll be on my way- taking your reply as a concession. thumb up

LordofBrooklyn
QUAN, ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE COWARD!!!

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Single Universe with Michael's power.

Someone dares calling me a troll. laughing out loud


https://i.imgur.com/7aUkYWo.jpg Originally posted by Zack M
https://i.imgur.com/OPWd5Ba.png Originally posted by RealityWarper
Still what I am saying.

Universal:


https://i.imgur.com/XLv2ZIX.jpg


A Reality is the collection of an Earth-like universe and all other realms associated with that universe. For example, in general, there is one Negative Zone, one Asgard, and one Dark Dimension associated with each Earth universe. The collection of all associated realms is a Reality. Further changes to the history of a realm will alter its reality. In most cases, this actually involves overlapping or merging one reality with another.

Interesting. He clearly meant Multi-Universal in the same sense any reality is Multi-Universal. Such as any main Universe whether 616 or 1610 has it's own Negative Zone, Microverse etc.

I didn't know that was retconned. Does it count as a retcon?

Sheesh. Oh boy. This really is a pissing contest of who you like more.

Pre-retcon HOTU vs. Pre-retcon Lucifer and Post-Retcon HOTU vs. Post-retcon Lucifer. Same shit, different toilet.

LordofBrooklyn
HEY, stick to the REAL point.

Quan is a COWARD if he doesn't accept The Battlezone!!!

Zack M
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Interesting. He clearly meant Multi-Universal in the same sense any reality is Multi-Universal. Such as any main Universe whether 616 or 1610 has it's own Negative Zone, Microverse etc.

I didn't know that was retconned. Does it count as a retcon?

Sheesh. Oh boy. This really is a pissing contest of who you like more.

Pre-retcon HOTU vs. Pre-retcon Lucifer and Post-Retcon HOTU vs. Post-retcon Lucifer. Same shit, different toilet.

He could have meant that, but you would probably have to get a re-confirmation. Either way, the writer mentioned that he created a multiverse and in Lucifer: Nirvana, it was also mentioned that he created a Multiverse. Operator said it best:



Basically, take your pick.

Zack M
The scan from Nirvana:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36657/1174994-lucifermultiverse.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KVCYcm5.jpg

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Zack M
He could have meant that, but you would probably have to get a re-confirmation. Either way, the writer mentioned that he created a multiverse and in Lucifer: Nirvana, it was also mentioned that he created a Multiverse. Operator said it best:



Basically, take your pick.

I think it's pretty clear that the intention is Universe because from what you posted 9/10 says Universe and 1/10 says Multiverse. The writer clarified that Universe meant the 616, or Earth Prime etc. A Universe with multiple levels. Not an entire Multiverse with a capital M.

What confirmation? He flat out clarified his statement and made it clear he did not mean multiple UniverseS but different aspects of a creation. Don't be silly. It's pretty straight forward.

The quote you posted heavily supports that it was indeed a single Universe.

And I have not read Nirvana yet, I will this weekend, but totality seems to imply that the Multiverse means a complete form of creation, with its own realms, dimensions, Hell & Heaven. The same way 616 is a Multiverse. I don't know, that seems to be the vibe I'm getting. But it's different writers so who knows.

RealityWarper
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Interesting. He clearly meant Multi-Universal in the same sense any reality is Multi-Universal. Such as any main Universe whether 616 or 1610 has it's own Negative Zone, Microverse etc.

I didn't know that was retconned. Does it count as a retcon?

Sheesh. Oh boy. This really is a pissing contest of who you like more.

Pre-retcon HOTU vs. Pre-retcon Lucifer and Post-Retcon HOTU vs. Post-retcon Lucifer. Same shit, different toilet.

That wasn't retconned.

In battle forum, we meant that a character is Universal by destroying a single reality.

A reality is a Universe with his collection of realms and dimensions.

Lucifer + Michael's power created a single reality thus he is Universal with Michael's power.

I don't get why this is debated...

Zack M
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think it's pretty clear that the intention is Universe because from what you posted 9/10 says Universe and 1/10 says Multiverse. I don't know if it was different writers from Nirvana and the main series, but the main writer clarified that Universe meant the 616, or Earth Prime etc. A Universe with multiple levels. Not an entire Multiverse with a capital M.

What confirmation? He flat out clarified his statement and made it clear he did not mean multiple UniverseS but different aspects of a creation. Don't be silly. It's pretty straight forward.

The quote you posted heavily supports that it was indeed a single Universe.

Mike Carrey DID write Nirvana, so that is an In comic example of it being a multiverse.

Not only that, but like Op said, Lucifer and Michael created Yaweh's creation, which is also said to be a Multiverse.

quanchi112
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Irrelevant? It's irrelevant that Lucifer has beaten and tanked the full power of Michael Demiurgos, who has quite literally infinite power over infinite dimensions? Or that he no-sold him with a backhand? Michael, who possesses the power of God himself? Meaning beings like Mandrakk and CA Superman are less than ants to him? Yeah, makes sense. thumb up
He didn't tank it at all. You're misrepresenting his powers the context of the scene to wank Lucy. This is what I will systematically tear apart in our debate.




https://thumbs.gfycat.com/VacantSingleDassie-max-1mb.gif

So you want to pick the only judge which reeks of corruption and desperation. You seem under the delusion anyone would accept these completely one sided terms. I do believe you're a sock of a regular poster who doesn't have the balls to come out of the shadows to face me but instead would rather debate me under this veil and arrange a shady battlezone in which the only judge you select screws not only myself but RW as well.


I've been on the receiving end of a judge who admitted on the forum my argument didn't matter he was already giving it to Darkseid. That's literally a biased person who admitted he didn't decide based on the arguments presented but his own preconceived perceptions of the matchup.


We both agree on 3 judges you annoying little cur but if you aren't interested in a fair and compromising debate I'll take it as you're scared. I'll take that as a concession to Thanos the one and only G.O.A.T.

quanchi112
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
QUAN, ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE COWARD!!! This coward won't accept fair terms just wait and see. Only an idiot would say I lick the only judge (reeks of screwing the other guy over) and another poster takes a perma if I lose as well who isn't a part of this whatsoever. Go yap somewhere else you little dog.

SSJGGogeta
Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm too stupid to make an actual argument to support my claims, and I'm consciously aware of how stupid I am, therefore I'm terrified at the premise of both me, and my sock account RealityWarper, being permanently banned. So I do not accept your challenge, oh mighty SSJGGogeta, you're just too amazing of a debater, and I'm nothing more than a lowly troll, hoping to make a mockery of this forum.

Ah, I understand. Well, I'll accept that as your concession, as I said I would earlier. I'm tired of dealing with the shenanigans of you, and RW, so I'll be on my way now, knowing that you were too cowardly to agree.

Why would I want to battlezone you, if I would ever have to deal with you or RW again? Waste of my time, unless I get to first-handedly deep-six the both of you (I say both of you, for convenience sake- we all know you're the same person using multiple accounts.).

Well folks, you heard it here first- Thanos loses, like the little ***** that he is(compared to Lucifer ****ing Morningstar). thumb up

Damborgson
Why would you not battlezone that?

xJLxKing
Originally posted by Damborgson
Why would you not battlezone that? because dealing with the three trolls who jack each other off by agreeing to each other post is old

Damborgson
But a battlezone is precisely where trolls put up or shut up?

RealityWarper
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Irrelevant? It's irrelevant that Lucifer has beaten and tanked the full power of Michael Demiurgos, who has quite literally infinite power over infinite dimensions? Or that he no-sold him with a backhand? Michael, who possesses the power of God himself? Meaning beings like Mandrakk and CA Superman are less than ants to him? Yeah, makes sense. thumb up

If you want to battlezone this, I'm more than game. But I pick the judge, and the loser gets a permanent ban- also, if you lose, which you will, RW gets a permanent ban too. You realize that the majority of HOTU Thanos' feats were retconned, right? Lmao, you're getting perma-banned in a heartbeat. laughing

If you agree to my terms, I'm game- because I will gladly rid this forum of any troll that I can. Otherwise, gtfo. You haven't made a single case as to why Thanos wins. You and RW are obvious trolls, and I can't wait to get rid of you two. Otherwise, you're cowards and I'll be on my way- taking your reply as a concession. thumb up

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Ah, I understand. Well, I'll accept that as your concession, as I said I would earlier. I'm tired of dealing with the shenanigans of you, and RW, so I'll be on my way now, knowing that you were too cowardly to agree.

Why would I want to battlezone you, if I would ever have to deal with you or RW again? Waste of my time, unless I get to first-handedly deep-six the both of you (I say both of you, for convenience sake- we all know you're the same person using multiple accounts.).

Well folks, you heard it here first- Thanos loses, like the little ***** that he is(compared to Lucifer ****ing Morningstar). thumb up


I've read your posts and, as a whole, I give you a 10/10 for the hilarity that came from it.

I mean that you want to challenge me or Quan in a Battlezone ? YOU ? Seriously ? laughing out loud !!!!!

Oh man !

You have to deal on a daily basis with your poor reading comprehension skills ,and your inability to understand what the characters can or can't do, you fail to show the characters that you are "defending" the way they are presented in the comics/mangas, you fail to attack properly the characters that you want to see losing the right way too. thumb up

On top of that, the essential of your posts are dedicated at antagonizing other posters, when you fail to counter their posts like 100% of the time.

And YOU think that you are ABLE to challenge Quan or ME in a Battle zone ? ! thumb up

Oh man ! That's hilarious ! GIVE ME A BREAK !


Go rise your level of debating beyond kindergarten-level and maybe in 1000 years you have a chance to become 1/10000000000 the debaters we are ! laughing

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by quanchi112
This coward won't accept fair terms just wait and see. Only an idiot would say I lick the only judge (reeks of screwing the other guy over) and another poster takes a perma if I lose as well who isn't a part of this whatsoever. Go yap somewhere else you little dog.

STOP HIDING YOUR COWARDICE!!!

A single judge would have to be one you two mutually agree on.

quanchi112
Originally posted by RealityWarper
I've read your posts and, as a whole, I give you a 10/10 for the hilarity that came from it.

I mean that you want to challenge me or Quan in a Battlezone ? YOU ? Seriously ? laughing out loud !!!!!

Oh man !

You have to deal on a daily basis with your poor reading comprehension skills ,and your inability to understand what the characters can or can't do, you fail to show the characters that you are "defending" the way they are presented in the comics/mangas, you fail to attack properly the characters that you want to see losing the right way too. thumb up

On top of that, the essential of your posts are dedicated at antagonizing other posters, when you fail to counter their posts like 100% of the time.

And YOU think that you are ABLE to challenge Quan or ME in a Battle zone ? ! thumb up

Oh man ! That's hilarious ! GIVE ME A BREAK !


Go rise your level of debating beyond kindergarten-level and maybe in 1000 years you have a chance to become 1/10000000000 the debaters we are ! laughing Ok I have pms from reality Warper from months if not years ago. We can have a moderator look into our ip addresses and once it's verified we are different posters you can drop this baseless claim.

You are the one backing down and making ridiculous stakes where another poster is permabanned in a very childish and goofy manner. If I'm so bad at understanding what's going on in the comics why won't you accept. You seem to talk tough but when it comes down to it you're fearful of a debate with myself. Don't be scared, little one.

Quit being so emotional and be a man and accept.

RealityWarper
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
STOP HIDING YOUR COWARDICE!!!

A single judge would have to be one you two mutually agree on.

I will judge the Battlezone. I am impartial.

quanchi112
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
STOP HIDING YOUR COWARDICE!!!

A single judge would have to be one you two mutually agree on. You are free to accept the battlezone challenge as well. He clearly said he picks the judge like arisicilpus child and wants another poster perma'd. Childish stakes from a coward. If you think you can outdebate me on this subject let's begin next week. I'm game.

RealityWarper
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are free to accept the battlezone challenge as well. He clearly said he picks the judge like arisicilpus child and wants another poster perma'd. Childish stakes from a coward. If you think you can outdebate me on this subject let's begin next week. I'm game.

He wants a battlezone but he never outdebated me, not once. laughing

I can give you the links to the threads if you want.

Everytime he had to run from the thread. laughing

quanchi112
Originally posted by RealityWarper
He wants a battlezone but he never outdebated me, not once. laughing

I can give you the links to the threads if you want.

Everytime he had to run from the thread. laughing Link it up. Hilarious he calls us the same poster. He wanted to pick the judge (I am sure he wouldn't try to screw me over with a biased judge) and he thinks he can have you perma'd as well. I believe he gave these stipulations as a way for him to dodge the challenge while saving face.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
But a battlezone is precisely where trolls put up or shut up? Exactly. That's the point is a battlezone is a place a troll can't hide. So you can see the empty posturing and that I'll definitely walk the walk. The opposition will just talk the talk conceding to Thanos the G.O.A.T.

RealityWarper
Originally posted by quanchi112
Link it up. Hilarious he calls us the same poster. He wanted to pick the judge (I am sure he wouldn't try to screw me over with a biased judge) and he thinks he can have you perma'd as well. I believe he gave these stipulations as a way for him to dodge the challenge while saving face.

Have fun !

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f89/t644758.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f89/t646715.html

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=630708&from=thread&pagenumber=1#post15863724

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f89/t647862.html

You can see that his whole arguments relies in ignoring the other character abilities, and using arguments about made-up abilities for his characters from his side.

Hilarious. laughing

quanchi112
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/square_medium/11112/111126209/5274829-3055284994-tumbl.gif

RealityWarper
Thanos stomps Lucifer.

Zack M
I agree. Lucifer stomps Thanos.

MrMind
Lucifer destroy the weak sjw marvel with a single hand wave

quanchi112
Originally posted by MrMind
Lucifer destroy the weak sjw marvel with a single hand wave Lucy gets absorbed like the weakling he is. He isn't supreme like the G.O.A.T..

Zack M
Originally posted by MrMind
Lucifer destroy the weak sjw marvel with a single hand wave

Doesn't even need to do that, tbh.

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