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Let a newly qualified Doctor (top of his class) who has read all the literature perform the operation?

or

Do you choose an experienced successful surgeon with 30 years performing said life-saving brain tumour removal?

Youth or Experience?

Ha ha! You almost got me. This is a Trick Question. If its your "Mum" then this is in the U.K. and thus you don't get to decide if you "mum" gets this operation. It is up to the Leftist Fascist Death Panels to decide if she gets it or not.....which it will be NOT....unless your "mum" is rich and or famous.

HA HA!!!!!!!!!!

Yer MUM is FURKED!!!!!!!!

I mean, this is a no-brainer. We'll assume the surgeon is also obviously someone qualified to be a doctor, plus he has 30+ years experience on top of the other guy.

I'd go with the experienced man who saved lives for 30 years over someone with the potential to do so.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Ha ha! You almost got me. This is a Trick Question. If its your "Mum" then this is in the U.K. and thus you don't get to decide if you "mum" gets this operation. It is up to the Leftist Fascist Death Panels to decide if she gets it or not.....which it will be NOT....unless your "mum" is rich and or famous.

HA HA!!!!!!!!!!

Yer MUM is FURKED!!!!!!!! My mum is already dead, good try Fly. Now back to topic.

Originally posted by MythLord
I mean, this is a no-brainer. We'll assume the surgeon is also obviously someone qualified to be a doctor, plus he has 30+ years experience on top of the other guy.

I'd go with the experienced man who saved lives for 30 years over someone with the potential to do so. Exactly, experience is key every time in every job. To choose anyone without experience is foolish. They may be capable of performing a keystone role as well (they may be but haven't proven themselves).

i would choose DarthSkywalker0, who has read many medical books

Originally posted by Beniboybling
i would choose DarthSkywalker0, who has read many medical books

This is the correct answer, as medical books are greater than experience.

go, Dougie Howser, MD!

I would not choose Ellimist as his reading comprehension is shit and it wouldn't matter how many books that kid has read.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
I would not choose Ellimist as his reading comprehension is shit and it wouldn't matter how many books that kid has read.

Performing a delicate procedure that requires the utmost precision would obviously be better done by somebody with many more years to practice that. The younger surgeon could carry out the surgery correctly, but it's 'better safe than sorry' with these things. And if the older surgeon has carried out many successful procedures before, then that demonstrates that he can apply the experience that he has gathered over the years. He's not a quack boasting with vague claims of 'experience' without having anything to back that up, but a true veteran in his area of expertise. And the type of steady-hands cognition involved here means genuine experience is going to reduce complications. Not that this same reasoning can be translated perfectly to other fields. Otherwise, we wouldn't have swathes of 'experienced' 70 year olds arguing man-made climate change as a hoax, or older chess players seeing their ratings stagnate despite consistent practice with age.

Originally posted by lazybones
Performing a delicate procedure that requires the utmost precision would obviously be better done by somebody with many more years to practice that. The younger surgeon could carry out the surgery correctly, but it's 'better safe than sorry' with these things. And if the older surgeon has carried out many successful procedures before, then that demonstrates that he can apply the experience that he has gathered over the years. He's not a quack boasting with vague claims of 'experience' without having anything to back that up, but a true veteran in his area of expertise. And the type of steady-hands cognition involved here means genuine experience is going to reduce complications. Not that this same reasoning can be translated perfectly to other fields. Otherwise, we wouldn't have swathes of 'experienced' 70 year olds arguing man-made climate change as a hoax, or older chess players seeing their ratings stagnate despite consistent practice with age. The thing about flowery posts is mistakes are easy to spot, do you mean 70-year-olds?

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac

I would not choose Ellimist as his reading comprehension is shit and it wouldn't matter how many books that kid has read.

did you get replaced by a fresh graduate in ur job lol

The OP is obviously rigged to compare a massive experience difference (zero vs. 30) to a far smaller aptitude one to validate Steve's obsession with his age, but trolling aside general intelligence is the best measurable predictor of job performance in almost every field when you're careful to correct for range restrictions, etc. Not enough to say the new graduate here would be better, but something that probably bothers Steve anyway.

Originally posted by JKBart
did you get replaced by a fresh graduate in ur job lol

Angry boys. Funny stuff.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
The OP is obviously rigged to compare a massive experience difference (zero vs. 30) to a far smaller aptitude one to validate Steve's obsession with his age, but trolling aside general intelligence is the best measurable predictor of job performance in almost every field when you're careful to correct for range restrictions, etc. Not enough to say the new graduate here would be better, but something that probably bothers Steve anyway. #triggered

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Let a newly qualified Doctor (top of his class) who has read all the literature perform the operation?

or

Do you choose an experienced successful surgeon with 30 years performing said life-saving brain tumour removal?

Youth or Experience?
I think a better conundrum would be as follows:

1. Let a newly qualified Doctor (top of his class) who has read all the literature perform the operation.

2. Let an experienced surgeon with 30 years performing life-saving braid tumour removal, but he's known for having recently botched several operations and has visibly shaky hands due to old age.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
The OP is obviously rigged to compare a massive experience difference (zero vs. 30) to a far smaller aptitude one Nailed it

Also, let's not forget to mention all doctors are basically required to be highly intelligent people with great memory, great logic skills, insane amount of knowledge and education. By definition, both doctors have undergone extremely difficult education and while their scores and encyclopedic knowledge may differ, they're still obviously within the same league lol.

These two guys are gonna be essentially the same league in education, knowledge access, intelligence and mental capabilities. The first may be top tier, the second bottom tier, but they're by definition the people of similarly high requirements for intelligence, mental durability and skill, but with a giant experience gap. It's not like the second is self-learned hobbyist from Kenya lmao.

This post misses the point of the other thread.

It's less, can a young guy debate well, and more do I really want to be told what my Vietnam experience was like by a kid that never served?

Should a man tell a woman he knows where she's coming from, because he studied about it? Can a white man ever know what it's like to be a black man?

Experiences matter.

Would you demonstrate your experience in a debate?

Lol, what was the point of this thread?

Originally posted by lazybones
And if the older surgeon has carried out many successful procedures before, then that demonstrates that he can apply the experience that he has gathered over the years. He's not a quack boasting with vague claims of 'experience' without having anything to back that up, but a true veteran in his area of expertise.
http://i.imgur.com/4XRoCqZ.gif

Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0
Would you demonstrate your experience in a debate? pls doc

save my momma

Originally posted by Beniboybling
pls doc

save my momma

pls ben

reply to my post on healthcare

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol, what was the point of this thread?

for steve to show he is a ****ing retard, braindead loser who cant create a good example

Originally posted by JKBart
did you get replaced by a fresh graduate in ur job lol at least he isnt a nazi like you homeless shit
a ****ing hitler avatar? really?

Originally posted by robgod
at least he isnt a nazi like you homeless shit
a ****ing hitler avatar? really?

are you harassing me because of my political views

Originally posted by robtardshit
for steve to show he is a ****ing retard, braindead loser who cant create a good example

Look at how hard he tries:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t649753.html

lol

dude hitler slaughtered half of poland and all raped your women.

please change the avatar
thank you

Originally posted by robgod
dude hitler slaughtered half of poland and all raped your women.

please change the avatar
thank you

I hate Poland and every day I wake up I feel sad knowing I life in this cesspool, wish Hitler won and spared us the humiliation of trying to run an independent country, we can't do it right

just leave poland and kmc

no

why not??

leave bart alone

urs your not only a sheevite but also friends with a nazi??

leave nazis alone at least they have ideas unlike you cuck sock

yeah, you're just a fake sock without ideas and motivations unlike nazis were

Oh, a brain surgeon? In other words, a Neurosurgeon?


I would very easily choose the younger guy. Why?

Neurosurgeons require a 7 year residency. So in order to complete your "full" education to become a full brand new, fresh, Neurosurgeon, you would have to have done a 7 year residency - actual practice under a neurosurgeon (s). And if he's top of his class, that would make him one of the best neurosurgeons in the world.

So you've basically asked if I would want one of the best Neurosurgeons in the world to compete against a 65 year old who may be at the very end of his or her career?

Well, why did you make the decision so easy?

Perhaps you should choose a different profession that does not go directly against the point you're making about experience.

I understand the point of the thread. Go to my next post.

Here, use this example:

Premise: You are house-sitting in a $5 million mansion for your successful friend. But a pipe bursts in the walls in the bathroom. Water starts leaking from the walls on the floor. You, luckily, knew where the master water shut-off valve was located and got it stopped. You clean up the water and look through search results to see which Plumbing Company is the best in town. The plumbing company is called Shitter McGavin.

The Office Manager tells you he has 2 plumbers available at the next time slot, 1pm-3pm. He asks you who you prefer. You then ask to know a bit about each plumber:


1. One is brand new, just now licensed, and has completed the mandatory 6 months of On Job Training. He also got a perfect score on the licensing test.

2. The other is a 20 year veteran with a stellar success record and the highest customer satisfaction rating of any in the company. 20 years ago, they did not have the licensing requirements so he could not take the test but he is clearly knowledgeable.


Who would you hire to come onsite and do a burst pipe replacement on the expensive, authentic, Italian Marble bathroom?





Here's the catch:
Person 1, the new guy, is 48.
Person 2 is 31.

Originally posted by robtardshit
leave nazis alone at least they have ideas unlike you cuck sock i have the idea of a free, communistic america you dumb facist

Originally posted by JKBart
yeah, you're just a fake sock without ideas and motivations unlike nazis were #triggered

Originally posted by robgod
urs your not only a sheevite but also friends with a nazi?? I like Bart, yes.

Golden Thread, good job guys

Originally posted by dadudemon
I would very easily choose the younger guy.we know u would

Originally posted by Beniboybling


we know u would

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REKT

Originally posted by Beniboybling


we know u would

#gotem

eat

DDM going in for the kill as usual.


1.) If this is the NHS, your mom is fked depending on the severity of her illness, past medical history, etc. The system may elect to put her under hospice care as the time has come to let them go (a.k.a she's not worth saving b/c we're the government and old people are a burden on the welfare state) rather than perform surgery. If not that, maybe she gets put on a wait-list as the operation calls for a niche specialist, and they're not all that accessible since most of them moved to the US where they can actually make good money.

2.) So they've elected to put your mom under surgery; great! As DDM suggested earlier, what if she has a complicated brain tumor that's rarely seen and you have the following choices:

33 year-old newly appointed chief of neurosurgery Dr. Ben Carson, who as a resident was involved in controversial procedures and an overall pioneer in his field.

or

55 year-old Dr. Joe Blogs who has performed numerous standard procedures over the length of his career, but who has otherwise nothing really special to show that he's capable in niche cases.


OR let's change the scenario again:

Your child needs very involved oral surgery in order to correct a disfigured jaw affecting his/her ability to chew/eat. The outcome of the treatment will determine their overall quality of life. These are your options.

Dr. A is a new attending surgeon having just completed his six-year oral surgery residency. He has been in the field for just two years, but has been implementing new, less invasive, advanced technology and techniques in his procedures. As a result, the few patients he has operated on have had better outcomes, less scarring, less complications, etc. He may be inexperienced, but he is committed to continuous learning and implementing academia with the real world.


Dr. B is a 55 year old oral surgeon who has been operating for 25 years. His personal motto is, "if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it" and "that's how we've alway done it". While Dr. B has much experience under his belt, his methods are antiquated and for the most part no longer taught by moder-day residency programs. Because Dr. B is an older gentleman, his neuroplasticity level is greatly diminished as is his fluid intelligence. He dismisses continuous learning as he believes experience knows all. He can do a great operation with the standards of 20 years ago, but it will leave a higher degree of scarring, pain, and potential for complications. It is, however, the most trusted and proven method.


So what do you choose?


Understand this:

After completing medical school in the us, doctors must attend residency and fellowship programs to assimilate experience and focus on their specialty of interest. Often times they're not making the "big money" until they're in their thirties when they can actually work as an attending. They don't pop out of med school with only book smarts and hack on people.

If the older surgeon has retained the ability to learn and implement new procedures as the younger one has, then sure I'll prefer them. But more often than not, the older guys will stick to their old ways as it is easier and more convenient. In that case, I'll take the young guy who makes his decisions off of what's new and rational over the guy who primarily uses intuition.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/316/742/44b.jpg

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
My mum is already dead, good try Fly. Now back to topic.

....So which option did you choose then?

Originally posted by robtardshit
for steve to show he is a ****ing retard, braindead loser who cant create a good example Bingo!

Originally posted by cdtm
This post misses the point of the other thread.

It's less, can a young guy debate well, and more do I really want to be told what my Vietnam experience was like by a kid that never served?

Should a man tell a woman he knows where she's coming from, because he studied about it? Can a white man ever know what it's like to be a black man?

Experiences matter. You are as stupid as Zodiac Phag!

Time to be serious for a moment. The illogic in Steve using this thought experiment to say:

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Exactly, experience is key every time in every job.

Is that he's comparing a huge difference in experience to a small gap in aptitude. That is, even an average surgeon is still one of the most skilled professionals in the world, so there's a clear range restriction in the amount of variance you can have in ability, but you put that against the difference between zero experience and twenty years and expect to prove that experience is *always* more relevant.

So no, not a valid argument.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
i would choose DarthSkywalker0, who has read many medical books

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Time to be serious for a moment. The illogic in Steve using this thought experiment to say:



Is that he's comparing a huge difference in experience to a small gap in aptitude. That is, even an average surgeon is still one of the most skilled professionals in the world, so there's a clear range restriction in the amount of variance you can have in ability, but you put that against the difference between zero experience and twenty years and expect to prove that experience is *always* more relevant.

So no, not a valid argument.