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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Create two threads:-

Darth Nihilus vs. Palpatine
Darth Nihilus vs. Valkorion

And see the difference in the arguments of the deluded bunch. Double-standards, my friend.

All out. 10 meter starting distance. Flat indestructible arena.

Valkorion, good fight.

Valkorian destroys.

Nihilus noms noms.

Valkorion's stated to be a distant superior to Nihilus after Nathema, the amount of power he obtains from then on essentially multiplies. Valkorion's better in every way.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Valkorion's stated to be a distant superior to Nihilus after Nathema, the amount of power he obtains from then on essentially multiplies. Valkorion's better in every way. Got a quote?

Originally posted by AncientPower
Valkorion's stated to be a distant superior to Nihilus after Nathema, the amount of power he obtains from then on essentially multiplies. Valkorion's better in every way.

No offence, AP. But this is Valky logicboyism.
When Vitiate absorbed Nathema into himself, Nihilus wasn't even in the timeline of the universe.
Besides that: Nihilus absorbed more planets' Force energies than Vitiate. Nihilus>Vitiate. Also accolades are unreliable, whether is for Palps or Vitiate.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
No offence, AP. But this is Valky logicboyism.
When Vitiate absorbed Nathema into himself, Nihilus wasn't even in the timeline of the universe.
Besides that: Nihilus absorbed more planets' Force energies than Vitiate. Nihilus>Vitiate. Also accolades are unreliable, whether is for Palps or Vitiate.
I get the impression that much of energies Darth Nihilus absorbed, went into satiating his astounding hunger - an unintended side-effect of his condition that gradually overwhelmed his self-control.

Darth Nihilus was not growing in power, rather risking self-destruction .

Conversely, Vitiate was growing in power on a consistent basis. He too acquired hunger as an unintended side-effect of his Dark Side experiments on Medriaas and had to satiate it by feeding on the life-force of others but he demonstrated very good self-control and stability. A chunk of energies that he absorbed, went into augmenting his strength accordingly.

You will find this blog interesting: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/tenebrae-slave-to-hunger-and-false-sith-1875700/

Valkorion, handily.

@Legend nothing you posted proves Vitiate's "hunger" is anything more than a yearning for power and immortality. Are these the quality arguments you were promising earlier?

Originally posted by ILS
@Legend nothing you posted proves Vitiate's "hunger" is anything more than a yearning for power and immortality. Are these the quality arguments you were promising earlier?
Two hints:-

REVAN COULD FEEL THE EMPEROR FEEDING ON HIM, drawing on his power to sate his endless hunger.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan

AND;

"He lured many Sith Lords here before consuming them in a dark ritual that wiped out all life on the planet." (Lord Dramath)

"He did something similar on Ziost." (Lana Beniko)

"His hunger for immortality must constantly be fed." (Lord Dramath)

Why he is leeching energy of others virtually non-stop? And has to consume a planet occasionally?

Of-course, his thirst for greater power is well-known. However, his experiments and resultant gains push him towards leeching the energies of others to satiate his thirst - a hunger-esque situation.

Revan recognized this problem:

"He has become obsessed with power and immortality. The dark side is like a cancer inside him; it grows faster than he can feed it. He has consumed an entire world, but he still hungers. And with his hunger comes an all-consuming fear."

Hunger is not a tangible thing. It manifests as an unintended side-effect of actions and experiences of a character obsessed with power over the course of time.

@ILS: I do recall, when playing KOTET, Dramath suggesting Vitiate's ritual has made him eternally hungry for Force energy.

Originally posted by ILS
Got a quote?

So you trust Meetra to vaguely imply that Vitiate > Nihilus, but not to far less vaguely imply that Revan > Nihilus?

yeah, vitiate > revan > nihilius

Given she can easily be referring to Force mastery when saying 'command of the Force' rather than raw power, then I have no reasons to doubt her. The actual evidence at hand supports such a notion. Not that she's got any reason to be incorrect as we know for a fact she grasps Nihilus' true power upon meeting him.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Given she can easily be referring to Force mastery when saying 'command of the Force' rather than raw power, then I have no reasons to doubt her. The actual evidence at hand supports such a notion. Not that she's got any reason to be incorrect as we know for a fact she grasps Nihilus' true power upon meeting him.

You're playing mental gymnastics, it seems.

Not even remotely.

Meetra states that Mandalorian Wars Revan had a greater command of the Force than anybody she'd ever met. If this referred to raw power, then she wouldn't consider Nihilus' destruction of Katarr to be nigh impossible. Which she clearly does upon Visas Marr and Traya describing his abilities. Not only that, but she further realises that he's far more powerful than she'd been led to believe. Why would Nihilus' power be so unbelievable if she think Mando Wars Revan is more powerful than that? The answer is that she's referring to Revan's immense understanding and mastery of the Force, his natural aptitude and great knowledge. All things he's noted repeatedly for by multiple sources. This goes right into the hands of the things Traya teaches about Nihilus' power. In which she states that he doesn't have any real power, that his techniques are an empty road to the dark side and that his power controls him. Not vice versa.

It's obvious, really.

Nihilus

Literally his canonical inferior.

His only victory avenue is drain, but Tenebrae also happens to be nigh-supremly skilled with the technique, and FLS that demolish parties and tear ships out of the sky would be too much for Nihilus handle.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
His only victory avenue is drain, but Tenebrae also happens to be nigh-supremly skilled with the technique,
How fast is Teneraes' drain?

The lightning surged into the ships and killed it's pilots. It didn't actually damage the ship in any way. K'kruhk level feat.

As for demolishing parties, the party consisted of absolute fodder that still managed to resist him for a decent enough period of time.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Given she can easily be referring to Force mastery when saying 'command of the Force' rather than raw power, then I have no reasons to doubt her. The actual evidence at hand supports such a notion. Not that she's got any reason to be incorrect as we know for a fact she grasps Nihilus' true power upon meeting him. Actually, Drew Karpyshyn uses the phrase "Command of the Force" in regards to raw power. He did so in his Darth Bane books. Ant discovered this some time ago.

Regardless, I hardly think using Meetra's subjective, dated opinion to gauge Vitiate, Nihilus and Revan is prudent when we have lots of source material to draw from. It wouldn't be the first time a character is flat out wrong about something despite having the knowledge required to make the correct observation.

Mace Windu believed Kar Vastor was on-par with Yoda and he had no chance of ever defeating him, then beat his a** up in the same book. He believed Depa Billaba to be his superior, and then did extraordinarily well against her while holding back and hampered by other circumstances.

Originally posted by Stigma
How fast is Teneraes' drain?
Dunno y this is a relevant question, tbh. Tenebrae's drain isn't gonna be an actual factor here.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I get the impression that much of energies Darth Nihilus absorbed, went into satiating his astounding hunger - an unintended side-effect of his condition that gradually overwhelmed his self-control.

Darth Nihilus was not growing in power, rather risking self-destruction .

Conversely, Vitiate was growing in power on a consistent basis. He too acquired hunger as an unintended side-effect of his Dark Side experiments on Medriaas and had to satiate it by feeding on the life-force of others but he demonstrated very good self-control and stability. A chunk of energies that he absorbed, went into augmenting his strength accordingly.

You will find this blog interesting: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/tenebrae-slave-to-hunger-and-false-sith-1875700/

So, let me get this straight. You say that both Nihilus and Vitiate share the same 'disease', yet only Vitiate grows stronger and holds that power because...*plot reasons*?

Nowhere does it say that Nihilus' power didn't grow. In fact it was established that the more powerful he becomes, the greater the hunger would be.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Two hints:-

REVAN COULD FEEL THE EMPEROR FEEDING ON HIM, drawing on his power to sate his endless hunger.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan

AND;

"He lured many Sith Lords here before consuming them in a dark ritual that wiped out all life on the planet." (Lord Dramath)

"He did something similar on Ziost." (Lana Beniko)

"His hunger for immortality must constantly be fed." (Lord Dramath)

Why he is leeching energy of others virtually non-stop? And has to consume a planet occasionally?

Of-course, his thirst for greater power is well-known. However, his experiments and resultant gains push him towards leeching the energies of others to satiate his thirst - a hunger-esque situation.

Revan recognized this problem:

"He has become obsessed with power and immortality. The dark side is like a cancer inside him; it grows faster than he can feed it. He has consumed an entire world, but he still hungers. And with his hunger comes an all-consuming fear."

Hunger is not a tangible thing. It manifests as an unintended side-effect of actions and experiences of a character obsessed with power over the course of time.

Nihilus was anything but obsessed with power. He became a walking black hole in the Force due to the Mass Shadow Generator. He was just an anomaly, a wild card, an exception to the natural world.
Also what those quotes describe is just Vitiate's need to drain lifeforce to sustain himself because the dark side effects were ravaging his essence. It's similar to how Sidious was leeching off Byss' people's lifeforce to preserve himself.
Thus, Vitiate didn't get any 'hunger'; he was just siphoning life-force to preserve his immortality.

Originally posted by MythLord
The lightning surged into the ships and killed it's pilots. It didn't actually damage the ship in any way. K'kruhk level feat.

As for demolishing parties, the party consisted of absolute fodder that still managed to resist him for a decent enough period of time.

It's been confirmed to have damaged the ships, actually. The lightning busted their shields and fried their systems.

Originally posted by ILS
Actually, Drew Karpyshyn uses the phrase "Command of the Force" in regards to raw power. He did so in his Darth Bane books. Ant discovered this some time ago.

Regardless, I hardly think using Meetra's subjective, dated opinion to gauge Vitiate, Nihilus and Revan is prudent when we have lots of source material to draw from. It wouldn't be the first time a character is flat out wrong about something despite having the knowledge required to make the correct observation.

Mace Windu believed Kar Vastor was on-par with Yoda and he had no chance of ever defeating him, then beat his a** up in the same book. He believed Depa Billaba to be his superior, and then did extraordinarily well against her while holding back and hampered by other circumstances.

That was an interpretation of his, not fact.

Except that all it says is that Vitiate became more powerful than Meetra could imagine. Yet she gets the full measure of Nihilus' power during their fight.

Not a great refutation.

She gets the full measure of Nihilus' power after he weakens himself trying to drain her?

Nah, as soon as she gets close and is effortlessly stunned by him. That's when.

Effortlessly stunning her is the full measure of Nihilus' power? That leaves nothing to the imagination?

No, it's stated that she feels his power upon being stunned and realises he's far more powerful than she'd been led to believe.

That doesn't mean his full power is within her imagination.

Not that any of this is relevant due to how flimsy the evidence is, but it's fun to play around with the semantics.

It's not flimsy at all, lmfao. It only confirms what we already knew, but at an earlier timeline.

Nihilus is supposed to be below the Ancient Sith that you already think are below Kun. Meanwhile, Vitiate is supposed to be the most powerful Force User the galaxy has ever seen as of SWTOR. Why this thread was made is beyond me.

Yeah, Valkorion mops Nihilus up like a shit stain.

Valkorion wins, yeah.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nihilus is supposed to be below the Ancient Sith that you already think are below Kun. Meanwhile, Vitiate is supposed to be the most powerful Force User the galaxy has ever seen as of SWTOR. Why this thread was made is beyond me.

And, yet, we never see ancient Sith perform such feats without rituals or preparation.
Did it ever ooze that Kreia had no knowledge about post-Katarr Nihilus' deeds?
We all know that, by the time Kreia re-learns about Nihilus, he already mastered and perfected the 'Force' drain power to wide-planetary potency/range.

So, whatever knowledge she had about Nihilus is pre-Katarr events.

Also, SWTOR takes place after the Old Wars, of course Vitiate would be that dominator. And if you really go by in-universe accolades; then Exar Kun was stated the darkest power when post-Nathema Vitiate already happened.

I can't believe we're taking "more powerful than you can imagine" literally.

Originally posted by MythLord

The lightning surged into the ships and killed it's pilots. It didn't actually damage the ship in any way. K'kruhk level feat.

You say this, as if blasting through the defenses of ships with the residual sparks of a FLS, while weakened, isn't impressive.


I guess it isn't in that incredible little box you live in, kek. But, yeah, explain how it is a "K'kruhk level feat".

Originally posted by MythLord

As for demolishing parties, the party consisted of absolute fodder that still managed to resist him for a decent enough period of time.

Yeah - this was a team stated to be the most powerful the Jedi had to offer, including it's the greatest champion in HoT -- but they were simply "fodder", yeah, sure. As for them resisting some with their lightsaber blades - here's the thing --

- It was a widespread attack, thus spreading out its potency tremendously compared to the strength it would have if it was just a concentrated continues bolt, like what it is going to be against Nihilus. The others that didn't in fact, shield themselves with their blade was near instantaneously paralyzed .

There is also Vitiate flat-out one-shotting Marr and Arcann, and producing lightning far more powerful than Nyriss can muster before substantially growing, those feats should also do the trick.



Bottom line: Nihilus is out of his league here.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
And, yet, we never see ancient Sith perform such feats without rituals or preparation.
Did it ever ooze that Kreia had no knowledge about post-Katarr Nihilus' deeds?
We all know that, by the time Kreia re-learns about Nihilus, he already mastered and perfected the 'Force' drain power to wide-planetary potency/range.

So, whatever knowledge she had about Nihilus is pre-Katarr events.
Nihilus' feats do not change that SWTOR tells us Vitiate is more powerful than him. And considering that Vitiate ahs better feats than Nihilus, that's entirely irrelevant anyway.

TBH Nihilus may have better TK.

N.'s giga drain is implied to be instantaneous, not sure if the same can be said about Valkorion.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nihilus' feats do not change that SWTOR tells us Vitiate is more powerful than him. And considering that Vitiate ahs better feats than Nihilus, that's entirely irrelevant anyway.

SWTOR tells us that he became the dominator when Nihilus was already gone. Seriously, Nihilus devoured more planets than Vitiate: it's logical Nihilus>Vitiate.
This is just flat maths.

No, Vitiate does not win here.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
I can't believe we're taking "more powerful than you can imagine" literally.

Don't the Sheevites do the same for Palps?

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
You say this, as if blasting through the defenses of ships with the residual sparks of a FLS, while weakened, isn't impressive.


I guess it isn't in that incredible little box you live in, kek. But, yeah, explain how it is a "K'kruhk level feat".



Yeah - this was a team stated to be the most powerful the Jedi had to offer, including it's the greatest champion in HoT -- but they were simply "fodder", yeah, sure. As for them resisting some with their lightsaber blades - here's the thing --

- It was a widespread attack, thus spreading out its potency tremendously compared to the strength it would have if it was just a concentrated continues bolt, like what it is going to be against Nihilus. The others that didn't in fact, shield themselves with their blade was near instantaneously paralyzed .

There is also Vitiate flat-out one-shotting Marr and Arcann, and producing lightning far more powerful than Nyriss can muster before substantially growing, those feats should also do the trick.



Bottom line: Nihilus is out of his league here.


Vitiate ate only two planets and you saw how powerful he became. Think about Nihilus who was stated to eat a few during his Sith reign.
Conclusion: Nihilus>Vitiate

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
SWTOR tells us that he became the dominator when Nihilus was already gone. Seriously, Nihilus devoured more planets than Vitiate: it's logical Nihilus>Vitiate.
This is just flat maths.

No, Vitiate does not win here.
When you don't know what the **** you're talking about.


I wonder if everyone in the galaxy just forgot Nihilus.

Also, how do you know how many planets Vitiate ate? His father, who probably knows more than you(he actually knowing...well, anything) says he has to constantly feed on life to stay immortal.

Tbh, it looks like you're just talking out of your ass in a topic you're incredibly unknowledgeable in. But that can't be right. https://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/3024136639.gif

Originally posted by ILS
Mace Windu believed Kar Vastor was on-par with Yoda
In terms of raw power, not actualized power. And he didn't say "On-par", he said "on the same scale." It's obvious he wasn't talking about actualized power because he says "On the same scale as Anakin and Yoda" despite Yoda being vastly more powerful than Anakin at this point.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
When you don't know what the **** you're talking about.


I wonder if everyone in the galaxy just forgot Nihilus.

Also, how do you know how many planets Vitiate ate? His father, who probably knows more than you(he actually knowing...well, anything) says he has to constantly feed on life to stay immortal.

Tbh, it looks like you're just talking out of your ass in a topic you're incredibly unknowledgeable in. But that can't be right. https://r35.imgfast.net/users/3513/11/32/39/smiles/3024136639.gif

1. No one forgot Nihilus. But with him out of picture, Vitiate became the dominator Force-user. Simple math logic.

2. Better said: How do you know that Vitiate ate more planets than two? Any source to back that up? Because it was never stated.
You can't just assume because you like it to be true to support your stance. For Nihilus it was indeed stated that he performed 'Force' drain on several planets.

3. Yes, Lord Dramath is right. Vitiate has to feed on life to preserve his body that is constantly bombarded by the ravaging effects of the dark side. It's similar to how Sidious leeched the life-energies of Byss' people to preserve his body.

So, no, neither of them have the condition/Hunger that Nihilus had. Nihilus' condition was caused by Revan's Mass Shadow Generator. It wasn't something that was caused due to the use of the dark side.

I get it. You're an idiot. You seem to not even be able to understand basic sarcasm. So I'm going to break this down line by line for you.



The phrase: "has ever seen" means that nothing before or after, up until SWTOR at least, is more dominating. Because that is what ever means. Even if by some retarded stretch that you could argue Nihilus was more powerful than Vitiate, which you cannot because Kreia admits that Nihilus is only approaching the Ancient Sith, by the time of SWTOR he is the greatest in history. Bar none.

No, actually it was not stated that Nihilus consumed several planets. Anywhere. We have one confirmed planet and rumors of others, with no statement of population size. Meanwhile, Vitiate has been alive for over 1400 years and has been stated to have a need to consume life constantly to be alive. Killed hundreds, a great many Force Sensitive, in a matter of seconds. He killed billions in a matter of minutes, warped the mind of an entire world, built decimating creatures in a matter of hours without a body, can at least create stasis fields that flat out stop everything that comes into contact with them including turbolaser fire from capital ships. Has wiped out fleets on his own. He's faced down planet destroying, and civilization ending weapons and won. Three of the most powerful beings in the mythos, and a McGuffin, together weren't enough to overcome him. And this is all on his off days. Meanwhile, Nihilus is just another footnote in his story that the average Sith doesn't even care about. And they know fully well who he is and what he accomplished. Finally, it has nothing to do with preserving his body, which as far as we know does not need constant feedings as long as he is powerful, it's the immortality of his spirit. I'd love for you to provide some actual evidence for your claims now, but I won't hold my breath.

The rest of your post is completely irrelevant. It's information no one wanted or asked for, and it goes nowhere towards proving your point. But it definitely goes a long way towards proving the one I made at the top.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Even if by some retarded stretch that you could argue Nihilus was more powerful than Vitiate, which you cannot because Kreia admits that Nihilus is only approaching the Ancient Sith, by the time of SWTOR he is the greatest in history. Bar none.

Kreia didn't 'admit' that Nihilus was only approaching the Ancient Sith. She claimed as such, and she's no authority on the power of the Ancient Sith. Or the power of Nihilus, for that matter, because she and Nihilus parted before the latter went off to consume an entire colony of Jedi and millions of force sensitives which would have increased his power drastically. And if Visas could not reach out and feel Nihilus' presence despite a potent force bond, Kreia wouldn't have much luck either, so the only idea of his power she would have is pre-Katarr/planet eating spree.

Not that I disagree with the conclusion that Valkorion is obviously better than Nihilus. However, trying to bind Nihilus below the Ancient Sith by the words of somebody who has nothing to gauge of their power bar hearsay and second hand accounts, is unreasonable.

Nihilus didn't disappear from the galaxy, so I doubt Kreia was unaware of how powerful he was. And Visas flat out tells you she can sense both the Exile and Nihilus, she just refused to take her to him because she's obsessed with the Exile and doesn't want her to die. Second, of course she'd have something to gauge this on. There's tons of Sith holocrons that she'd be able to speak with that would describe what the Sith of old were capable of from first hand sources, with said holocrons being able to gauge both the past and the present.

valk wins. More powerful, greater variety of hax, and it's obvious holistically he's the top dog of the era

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
You say this, as if blasting through the defenses of ships with the residual sparks of a FLS, while weakened, isn't impressive.

What defenses? Shields? The hull? None of it seemed to be damaged, the risidual lightning only killed or shocked it's pilots. I mean, that is impressive and all, but it's not worth noting compared to top tier Sith like Nihilus.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
I guess it isn't in that incredible little box you live in, kek. But, yeah, explain how it is a "K'kruhk level feat".

Simple: K'kruhk brought down a ship(he influenced the actual ship, mind you, not the pilots), before growing considerably in power.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yeah - this was a team stated to be the most powerful the Jedi had to offer, including it's the greatest champion in HoT -- but they were simply "fodder", yeah, sure. As for them resisting some with their lightsaber blades - here's the thing -- It was a widespread attack, thus spreading out its potency tremendously compared to the strength it would have if it was just a concentrated continues bolt, like what it is going to be against Nihilus. The others that didn't in fact, shield themselves with their blade was near instantaneously paralyzed .

Quote for them being the best? Tol Braga is nigh-featless and accoladeless and still powered through most of it, whereas the two whoevers still managed to deflected the barrage for a bit before going down. It isn't that good a feat.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
There is also Vitiate flat-out one-shotting Marr and Arcann, and producing lightning far more powerful than Nyriss can muster before substantially growing, those feats should also do the trick.

These are actually good feats.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Bottom line: Nihilus is out of his league here.

I never disagreed with this; I actually said:
Originally posted by MythLord
Valkorion, good fight.

I just don't believe those two lightning feats are what's gonna net Valk the win here. Killing someone with an actual achievements like Marr and being substantially above Nyriss pre-prime are better examples.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice


Great argument, indeed. You just compared a main TOR character from the EU saga with a mini-boss from KotOR 2.

You know what's the thing here: Vitiate had more writing in his favor. It's not like Nihilus is as fleshed out as Vitiate is. So, I don't see your point. It's like saying that Vader>Tenebrous because you saw more of Vader's abilities.
Your comparison is so wrong.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nihilus didn't disappear from the galaxy, so I doubt Kreia was unaware of how powerful he was. And Visas flat out tells you she can sense both the Exile and Nihilus, she just refused to take her to him because she's obsessed with the Exile and doesn't want her to die. Second, of course she'd have something to gauge this on. There's tons of Sith holocrons that she'd be able to speak with that would describe what the Sith of old were capable of from first hand sources, with said holocrons being able to gauge both the past and the present.

1. You know what those holocrons contain?
2. Are you sure Traya doesn't deliberately lie to the Jedi Exile by undermining Nihilus' power and give her a reason to destroy Nihilus as soon as possible otherwise he will rival some of the ancient Sith?
Throughout all the game, she is the epitome of betrayal and deception.

Well, Vitiates Empire did hold Nihilus a bit highly iirc they really wanted his tech to drain life.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay


Witty comment. But I am sure you get the point.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Well, Vitiates Empire did hold Nihilus a bit highly iirc they really wanted his tech to drain life.

What tech? Nihilus uses no technology to drain life.

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Both, obviously.

Starships/freighters are obviously protected against electrical attacks. Namely, why Lord Vindicans lightning didn't electrocute Nico Okarr, despite impacted the ship at near point-blank range with enough force to move the ship while it was in flight.

That's in regards to the hulls; the shielding those ships are packing can take monumental upon them, so that is pretty self-explanatory.



Umm, what? In order for the energy attack to even get through to the pilots, it has to bypass the both the hulls and the shields. The visuals are honestly irrelevant when common sense renders their inclusion irrelevant.

Unless you think those ships weren't sporting shielding, despite, being in the middle of a firefight, which is beyond mental retardation, Valk's lightning obviously went through them.




Considering the context around the feat, yeah - I'd say it's right up that alley of someone like Nihilus.



Talk about apples to oranges. One feat is a character concentrating all of his power to actively manipulate a ship -- maybe with electromagnetic manipulation or TK; while other is bringing down several logically shielding with the residual effects of an electrical attack.

I mean the fact this comparison was even drawn inside your head s absolutely unfathomable.




I mean, it's a kinda common sense thing to assume, they'll send their best to go after a galactic level threat, but alas, ask and you shall receive:

With Grand Master Satele Shan's support, Master Braga assembles a strike team of the strongest and most resolute Jedi in the order. Their goal is to pinpoint the Emperor's hidden fortress, capture the Sith leader alive, and turn him to the light side. The Jedi do not realize that they have underestimated the true extent of the Emperor's power. It is an error that will cost them dearly.

-- Excerpt from Old Republic Encyclopedia




Now that we've established all of the Jedi present were among the best the order had to offer and the HoT, being the damn best it had to offer period -- why are we still calling the feat unimpressive again? No matter how you want to slice the pie, taking out several of the orders most powerful Jedi and greatest champion among them in a few lightning burst is madly impressive.

No amount of mental gymnastics or nitpicking is going to get around that.





Then why even waste my time with this ill-advised nitpicking, princess?