Captain America vs Batman

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Damborgson
According to highest feats.

Who would win? No PIS here, they get access to the full benefit their jobber auras have gained them.

Mindset
Batman

Philosophía
Batman vs Cap is only a good match when they're both naked.

Batman's equipment skyrockets him in tiers.

DarkSaint85
Even naked, he's still taking punches from WW sneer

celeyhyga17
Batman weaps > Cap

Cap edges him in just h2h.

Batman > Cap overall.

RadZoa
Captain America is more on Nightwings level tbh

Stoic
Originally posted by RadZoa
Captain America is more on Nightwings level tbh

Captain America is well above Nightwing actually. Batman took punches from Wonder Woman, while Captain America stood after taking a punch from IG Thanos, which was capable of shattering the shield. The idea that he wasn't killed on impact somewhat lessens Batman taking punches, and being face planted by Wonder Woman.

Captain America was taking it to King Thor, beat the Hulk into a KO, and broke even with Spider Man. I'd be impressed if Batman beat Superman, but he has never beaten Superman.

Captain America is superior, he can fight at full strength well after Batman's body has surrendered to fatigue poisons.

deathslash
Originally posted by RadZoa
Captain America is more on Nightwings level tbh http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/157/777/1256519926211.jpg

tkitna
Originally posted by RadZoa
Captain America is more on Nightwings level tbh

https://media3.giphy.com/media/QIPEV0HWAiXVm/giphy.gif

Zack M
Batman statelmated Karate Kid. He would win the feat war.

Stoic
KK rolls over to big names.

RadZoa
Originally posted by Stoic
Captain America is well above Nightwing actually. Batman took punches from Wonder Woman, while Captain America stood after taking a punch from IG Thanos, which was capable of shattering the shield. The idea that he wasn't killed on impact somewhat lessens Batman taking punches, and being face planted by Wonder Woman.

Captain America was taking it to King Thor, beat the Hulk into a KO, and broke even with Spider Man. I'd be impressed if Batman beat Superman, but he has never beaten Superman.

Captain America is superior, he can fight at full strength well after Batman's body has surrendered to fatigue poisons. Nah Captain America is too weak and too slow, Batman beat the Super Titan Gladiator, keyword is BEAT, did Cap BEAT King Thor? Nah, so he's weak.

Cap is def on Nightwing's level

Stoic
Originally posted by RadZoa
Nah Captain America is too weak and too slow, Batman beat the Super Titan Gladiator, keyword is BEAT, did Cap BEAT King Thor? Nah, so he's weak.

Cap is def on Nightwing's level

Well in all actuality, if Captain America was weak, that would make Batman weaker. There's a reason for this. The super soldier serum. Even without it, he'd be able to compete with Batman. With it, he can fight at max strength well after Batman is exhauted, and ready to call it quits.

Nightwing is below Gambit level.

DarkSaint85
Well,no.

Because Batman does things no human does. So saying 'Batman is weaker because he's just human' is false.

Unless DC humans are somehow stronger/faster etc then others.

deathslash
Originally posted by RadZoa
Nah Captain America is too weak and too slow, Batman beat the Super Titan Gladiator, keyword is BEAT, did Cap BEAT King Thor? Nah, so he's weak.

Cap is def on Nightwing's level there's a thin line between trolling and genuine retardation, and you're dancing on it.

Zack M
Originally posted by Stoic
Well in all actuality, if Captain America was weak, that would make Batman weaker. There's a reason for this. The super soldier serum. Even without it, he'd be able to compete with Batman. With it, he can fight at max strength well after Batman is exhauted, and ready to call it quits.

Nightwing is below Gambit level.

Nightwing is pretty much on Batman's level.

Zack M
Originally posted by Stoic
KK rolls over to big names.

No, he doesn't.

tkitna
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well,no.

Because Batman does things no human does. So saying 'Batman is weaker because he's just human' is false.

Unless DC humans are somehow stronger/faster etc then others.

While its true that Batman does things other humans cant, lets be clear and make no doubt about it that he is not on Captain Americas level physically. Caps feats of jumping out of airplanes without a chute, running at 60mph, and healing from a gunshot to the head among others, are well documented. I just didnt want us to lose focus here. Gadgets are the only way for Batman to win.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by tkitna
While its true that Batman does things other humans cant, lets be clear and make no doubt about it that he is not on Captain Americas level physically. Caps feats of jumping out of airplanes without a chute, running at 60mph, and healing from a gunshot to the head among others, are well documented. I just didnt want us to lose focus here. Gadgets are the only way for Batman to win.


What are Cap's highest feats?

Magnon
DC peak human >> Marvel peak human

deathslash
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What are Cap's highest feats? IIRC, he's fought the hulk and done pretty good for himself about three times, been used as a wrecking ball and had a building collapse on him without a scratch, taken hits from Namor, a clone of him knocked out Deadpool with a single punch, and he also walked off having a TV sized hole in his chest. That's all I can remember.

tkitna
Originally posted by deathslash
IIRC, he's fought the hulk and done pretty good for himself about three times, been used as a wrecking ball and had a building collapse on him without a scratch, taken hits from Namor, a clone of him knocked out Deadpool with a single punch, and he also walked off having a TV sized hole in his chest. That's all I can remember.

Yeah, he's done a ton of things Batman would be incapable of doing.

Its easy enough to look them up.

Smurph
He tanked Gambit exploding his suit.

He also did really well against Onslaught h2h, iirc.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Magnon
DC peak human >> Marvel peak human

Well, good thing Steve is not exactly a peak human, then.

Facee
Cap: You think you can take me out with some smoke pellets?!

Bats: Its not smoke. Goodnight.

darthgoober
Cap wins you freaking commies on the first page... and Face...

Vanguard
Originally posted by Magnon
DC peak human >> Marvel peak human

Batman is not equal to Cap physically. He never has been. Why do people continue to debate this????

Batman fans, for whatever reason, refuse to believe it.

RadZoa
Batman has better physical feats than Captain America, the only thing Cap fans can do is cry PIS on anything Batman does but use maximum wank for Cap. Batman wins, without too much trouble too.

Damborgson
Better strength feats? Lets see em.

tkitna
Originally posted by RadZoa
Batman has better physical feats than Captain America, the only thing Cap fans can do is cry PIS on anything Batman does but use maximum wank for Cap. Batman wins, without too much trouble too.

laughing

When Batman can do these things get back to us.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/9/96884/2275806-capstrenfdoor1tk0.jpg

http://i.stack.imgur.com/1QapG.jpg

DarkSaint85
Yeah, Batman's feats are all going to be scaled off other characters,rather than out and out feats.

Zack M
Batman is definitely up there, though. He fought for like 32 hours straight. He has insane endurance and his martial arts skill is better, IMO.

RadZoa
Originally posted by tkitna
laughing

When Batman can do these things get back to us.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/9/96884/2275806-capstrenfdoor1tk0.jpg

http://i.stack.imgur.com/1QapG.jpg Yaaawn...




https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111162446/3813914-0754663467-19835.png


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/3/39001/3855523-nw2.png

CentaurSuperman
Batman

tkitna
Curling 500 lbs without the SSS
http://i.imgur.com/aZSWm0y.jpg

Some random strength feats
http://i.imgur.com/BS39YWi.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QCMlwoI.jpg

Crumbling an electrified steel panel
http://i.imgur.com/N2VUIbm.jpg

Carrying a steel ibeam around
http://i.imgur.com/8J6RQQo.jpg

Rips off part of a bus to use as a shield
http://i.imgur.com/mECEiIl.jpg

Damborgson
Kicking a motorcycle in half was ridiculous lol. Kicking humans in half would be nothing.

tkitna
Holding up rubble from a collapsed skyscraper
https://pm1.narvii.com/6357/3d182849898c27451c88076cf4930a37a08e429d_hq.jpg

Yanks a helicopter out of the sky
https://pm1.narvii.com/6357/d3ffdb58ff24b04bd79fe112035f54793b79ff16_hq.jpg

Jumps out of a plane and destroys a car he lands on like it was nothing
https://pm1.narvii.com/6357/dfde0fb21cdcd6845a93527956ee39fa032599ad_hq.jpg
https://pm1.narvii.com/6357/419a5fb2dbf983c6383f0a32ea9fda19efa91bc7_hq.jpg

Gets thrown to the ground by War Machine to take out an enemy
https://pm1.narvii.com/6357/51bcb39aff6b0d65e9224de80eba1e8a1d88173e_hq.jpg

This shield throw is just ridiculous
https://pm1.narvii.com/6147/6b19e0d3e0e34037943e7f83f64d2f95e8d86e82_hq.jpg

Running speed again (in the snow)
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1f1wcxMI61qbatka.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/60791/2986946-1080260500-tumbl.jpg


These are all feats Batman would be unable to replicate.

tkitna
Originally posted by Damborgson
Kicking a motorcycle in half was ridiculous lol. Kicking humans in half would be nothing.

It was a good feat I admit. Probably his best to be honest. I think Cap could have done that though without much trouble.

Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't think Batman would ever be shown to be able to kick a human in half but I could see it happening to a car door, a tree, or the axle of a motorcycle.

For Captain America, I can actually see him physically tearing apart a living being if push comes to shove but that would be pretty high end.

Both have their high end feats, as is normal for a comic book, but Captain America is a flat out superhuman compared to Batman's peak human.

Like ya, Wonder Woman has high end feats, but let's be honest here, Hulk is a shit load stronger by any realistic metric.

Not to say Captain America would tear Batman in half or anything. But I think it's a possible that there would be a more noticeably stats gap.

Another example is someone posting Batman surviving a slam into concrete from Wonder Woman. I mean, ya, that's crazy, but we can fill up 3 pages of this thread with each time a street leveler survives attacks from class 100's. And that's from any one comic book company, but I can never see Batman doing this for example:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103377/2350674-avx_zone_007.jpg
https://teamhellions.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/avxvs02cap.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/captain-america-vs-gambit-3.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/captain-america-vs-gambit-4.jpg

And I think, most people understand the distinction between a comic book trope and a legit indication of a completely different tier from human beings. Batman is presented as mystically superhuman some times, but there is a difference between the two. Just my two cents.

Damborgson
Originally posted by tkitna
It was a good feat I admit. Probably his best to be honest. I think Cap could have done that though without much trouble.

Agreed.

Supermutant
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't think Batman would ever be shown to be able to kick a human in half but I could see it happening to a car door,a tree, or the axle of a motorcycle.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111212973/4967888-6885898422-44365.png

Batman has been a meta for a while now.

http://media.comicbook.com/2017/07/suicide-squad-batman-metahuman-1012536.jpg

What were you doing at age 10? Batman was koing the crap out of an adult bear.lol

http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/ftpuploads/bloguploads/0714/batman-badass-fight-bear.jpg

Zack M
Yeah, rejuvenated Batman is a meta being.

tkitna
This is nothing to superheros feat wise, but I always thought it was brutal. Cap punches the guy so hard his head spins clear around and his neck snaps.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11113/111131355/4078792-6727167422-40724.jpg

Vanguard
Originally posted by Zack M
Batman is definitely up there, though. He fought for like 32 hours straight. He has insane endurance and his martial arts skill is better, IMO.

But see Zack, that's where there is a double standard. People are okay with a regular human who has NO powers to speak of fighting for 32 hours straight. But they ***** and complain when Slade, who actually HAS powers, trips up Flash?

smh

Zack M
Deathstroke comes from the same batch of super soldiers Midnighter does. So, yeah, he's up there with Cap, too.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by tkitna
This is nothing to superheros feat wise, but I always thought it was brutal. Cap punches the guy so hard his head spins clear around and his neck snaps.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11113/111131355/4078792-6727167422-40724.jpg

That scan is one of the biggest lies in KMC's history, actually.

Sure, Cap COULD've killed that terrorist --- and believed he did for a while --- but he didn't, it was that corrupt SHIELD device that he was wearing on his neck that killed him.

Read the arc. It's a boring read (with great art and few good feats).

Supermutant
Going by what has been posted here for Cap strength feats, Batman is certainly in the same ballpark.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Q_fHo5KKDqE/WF1eHqXXsKI/AAAAAAAAAZk/LAxv8skhOZ4nBmiKmGMMHbf_4lY8-0yUwCLcB/s1600/captain-america-bench-press.JPG

http://www.hip2bfit.com/superhero/batman/benchpress-batman.jpg

Bruce can throw a batarang a 100 mph and run 10 feet in a second.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/124784/3292001-5383443267-lotdk.jpg

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Vanguard
But see Zack, that's where there is a double standard. People are okay with a regular human who has NO powers to speak of fighting for 32 hours straight. But they ***** and complain when Slade, who actually HAS powers, trips up Flash?

smh

Because the gap between flash and DS is waaaaaaayyyyy beyond the gap between Batman and normal DC humans.

panthergod
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't think Batman would ever be shown to be able to kick a human in half but I could see it happening to a car door, a tree, or the axle of a motorcycle.

For Captain America, I can actually see him physically tearing apart a living being if push comes to shove but that would be pretty high end.

Both have their high end feats, as is normal for a comic book, but Captain America is a flat out superhuman compared to Batman's peak human.

Like ya, Wonder Woman has high end feats, but let's be honest here, Hulk is a shit load stronger by any realistic metric.

Not to say Captain America would tear Batman in half or anything. But I think it's a possible that there would be a more noticeably stats gap.

Another example is someone posting Batman surviving a slam into concrete from Wonder Woman. I mean, ya, that's crazy, but we can fill up 3 pages of this thread with each time a street leveler survives attacks from class 100's. And that's from any one comic book company, but I can never see Batman doing this for example:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103377/2350674-avx_zone_007.jpg
https://teamhellions.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/avxvs02cap.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/captain-america-vs-gambit-3.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/captain-america-vs-gambit-4.jpg

And I think, most people understand the distinction between a comic book trope and a legit indication of a completely different tier from human beings. Batman is presented as mystically superhuman some times, but there is a difference between the two. Just my two cents.

That's... Nothing to Batman. Absolutely nothing.

Batman has had slugfest with Aquaman. Multiple times.

You need to stop pretending as if you're in a position to evaluate DC characters.

And no Hulk isn't "shitload" stronger than Diana who is EASILY on par with Thor physically.

Zack M
Yeah, people need to catch up on these characters. Batman isn't JUST peak human, as supermutant pointed out. He has his highs, just like Cap.

https://i.imgur.com/yNOfQjm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZRMsK7N.png
https://i.imgur.com/lLs1Aff.png

Smurph
Originally posted by tkitna
Holding up rubble from a collapsed skyscraper
https://pm1.narvii.com/6357/3d182849898c27451c88076cf4930a37a08e429d_hq.jpg

Yanks a helicopter out of the sky
https://pm1.narvii.com/6357/d3ffdb58ff24b04bd79fe112035f54793b79ff16_hq.jpg

Jumps out of a plane and destroys a car he lands on like it was nothing
https://pm1.narvii.com/6357/dfde0fb21cdcd6845a93527956ee39fa032599ad_hq.jpg
https://pm1.narvii.com/6357/419a5fb2dbf983c6383f0a32ea9fda19efa91bc7_hq.jpg

Gets thrown to the ground by War Machine to take out an enemy
https://pm1.narvii.com/6357/51bcb39aff6b0d65e9224de80eba1e8a1d88173e_hq.jpg

This shield throw is just ridiculous
https://pm1.narvii.com/6147/6b19e0d3e0e34037943e7f83f64d2f95e8d86e82_hq.jpg

Running speed again (in the snow)
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1f1wcxMI61qbatka.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/60791/2986946-1080260500-tumbl.jpg


These are all feats Batman would be unable to replicate. thumb up

RadZoa
Originally posted by Damborgson
Kicking a motorcycle in half was ridiculous lol. Kicking humans in half would be nothing. This is true, Batman would have to hold back or he might kill Cap on accident.

Zack M
Originally posted by RadZoa
This is true, Batman would have to hold back or he might kill Cap on accident.

Batman fought Karate Kid twice. That alone trumps anything Cap has done. thumb up

RadZoa
Yeah as I said Cap is more Nightwing level

Zack M
Nightwing is Batman's peer, though. He's fought both Batman (and won) and Midnighter. Cap might not even be Nightwing level now.

Faceless808
Originally posted by Stoic
. The super soldier serum. Even without it, he'd be able to compete with Batman.

I thought Steve Rogers was a 90lb weakling without the super serum. Was that retconned?

darthgoober
Originally posted by Faceless808
I thought Steve Rogers was a 90lb weakling without the super serum. Was that retconned?
It varies from writer to writer.

StiltmanFTW
Yes, it varies. One could argue it depends on how you depower him.

Similar with Spidey. When depowered, he's still quite athletic and really agile in some showings.

Faceless808
OK, thanks, guys!

StiltmanFTW
Np.

Examples:

Steve Rogers reverted to his original fragile weakling state in Steve Rogers: Super Soldier mini (Heroic Age).

Old Captain America run contradicts it... as Steve was still a peak human w/o SSS in his bloodstream and still managed to beat Crossbones.

tkitna
Originally posted by Zack M
Batman fought Karate Kid twice. That alone trumps anything Cap has done. thumb up

Hard to believe they wrote KK down to that level.

Philosophía
If anybody wants to do a 'Cap is above Batman in strenght/speed/durability/endurance' battlezone, I'm all for it.

Time to dispel the myth that people try to sneak in the forum.

Damborgson
I'm not sure who would be an appropriate opponent for that one.

Stilt maybe?

Zack M
Do it!!

Zack M
Originally posted by tkitna
Hard to believe they wrote KK down to that level.

Val still looked superior, though.

panthergod
Cap is physically superior on average. Bats has lower lows and is much more fallible. Anyone who is honest knows this.

tkitna
Originally posted by Zack M
Val still looked superior, though.

I read the fight when Val was coming out of the coma, but never saw the second one.

Zack M
Originally posted by tkitna
I read the fight when Val was coming out of the coma, but never saw the second one.

The second one is with 3Boot Val. A different Val.

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