Dragon Age 4

Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.



emporerpants
So, I want Anthem to do well because if it doesn't, we might not get Dragon Age 4. I love Dragon Age. So, what would you like out of Dragon Age 4? Also, which Dragon Age is your favorite? I really liked Dragon Age 1. 1 is my favorite of the series so far, followed by 3.

Nephthys
I think its a given that Dragon Age 4 is going to be in Tevinter and it'll probably cover the topics of Tevinters mage system, slavery, the Qunari war and Solas' plan. I imagine it has a strong possibility of taking place in Seheron with the Qun-Tevinter war heating up and you in the middle choosing a side while looking to stop Solas. Maybe the end game will give you a choice between the Qunari's plan of strengthening the Veil and a lesser version of Solas' plan in weakening it.

I'd really, really love to continue playing as the Inquisitor with a cool robot arm or something but I know that's practically a pipe dream. I just think it would seriously weaken Solas as a character without the Inquisitor as the protagonist. If not her then maybe an elite agent of the Inquisition or a Tevinter noble looking to reform the Imperium. Dorian is probably going to come back and play an important role. I doubt any other characters from Inquisition will return since their official endings pretty much eliminate that possibility.


1 and 3 are definitely my favorites. I like them for different reasons but I think Origins probably edges it out.

Smasandian
I hope the gameplay is reminiscent of the first game. I liked Inquistion but I felt it was too impersonal. I didn't need all that stuff to do and prefer the singleplayer focus Dragon Age 1 had.

But I read there was going to be "live" elements so I have no idea what that means.

emporerpants
I believe that the live elements were supposed to be dlc related. One can only hope it means extra stuff as opposed to stuff that should have been in the game from the start and was withheld in order to milk more money out of consumers.

quanchi112
Origins had the best experience I've ever had in a video game. It was nonstop until the end of the game. Second was a letdown and a huge drop in quality but 3 recaptured some of the magic. It wasn't as great as origins which set the bar too high IMO. But it did have fantastic characters and Solas is one exception to my rules of characters I tend to gravitate towards.

I loved Corypheus and usually gravitate towards the all powerful bad guy obsessed with domination but Solas was utterly fantastic and hidden right under our noses the entire time. The big reveals at the end of the main game to be further gone into during the trespasser dlc was the best part of the game. Solas was ****ing epic. I can't wait for this to be explored in the next game. Love Solas.

-Pr-
My wishlist only really has two things above all: Proper tactical combat, and to be as dark as the first game was. The subsequent games had their moments, but Origins could be downright creepy in a way that the later games didn't manage.

With all the people who made the originals mostly gone (and losing Gaider was HUGE), it might be too much to ask, but a man can hope.

emporerpants
Originally posted by quanchi112
Origins had the best experience I've ever had in a video game. It was nonstop until the end of the game. Second was a letdown and a huge drop in quality but 3 recaptured some of the magic. It wasn't as great as origins which set the bar too high IMO. But it did have fantastic characters and Solas is one exception to my rules of characters I tend to gravitate towards.

I loved Corypheus and usually gravitate towards the all powerful bad guy obsessed with domination but Solas was utterly fantastic and hidden right under our noses the entire time. The big reveals at the end of the main game to be further gone into during the trespasser dlc was the best part of the game. Solas was ****ing epic. I can't wait for this to be explored in the next game. Love Solas.

Agreed almost 100%. I would put origins in my top 5 video experiences, but maybe not quite #1. I loved everything about origins. I loved the whole feel of the game, I loved pretty much everything about it. What class did you run Quan? I went dual wielding fighter, as I tend to favor swordsmen in fantasy rpgs.

Also, yeah, Solas was pretty damn awesome in 3. I feel 3 was a giant step in the right direction after the letdown that was 2, although it still wasn't really close to origins. I also really want 4's combat to go back to the style of origins, although that is very unlikely.

I also hope the darkspawn go back to their origins design. I thought they looked a shit ton better in origins than 2 or 3.

-Pr-
Originally posted by emporerpants
Agreed almost 100%. I would put origins in my top 5 video experiences, but maybe not quite #1. I loved everything about origins. I loved the whole feel of the game, I loved pretty much everything about it. What class did you run Quan? I went dual wielding fighter, as I tend to favor swordsmen in fantasy rpgs.

Also, yeah, Solas was pretty damn awesome in 3. I feel 3 was a giant step in the right direction after the letdown that was 2, although it still wasn't really close to origins. I also really want 4's combat to go back to the style of origins, although that is very unlikely.

I also hope the darkspawn go back to their origins design. I thought they looked a shit ton better in origins than 2 or 3.

I thought the Genlocks were improved, tbh. Hurlocks not so much. The others... Eh, I could go either way.

BackFire
It was recently revealed by Bioware that indeed a new DA game is currently in development by a small team. I imagine once Anthem is done they'll shift most of the people at the studio over to DA4. So we're definitely getting something.

When it comes to setting and all that, I agree with everything Neph said. Tevinter seems the most obvious choice, and I too would like to continue playing as the Inquisitor. There's not really a good reason not to aside from the series' tradition of having a new protagonist in every game. Even if he's not the main protagonist, I'm sure he'll have a large role, something like an advisor or something, and I imagine Dorian will be a party member again.

I also expect them to take cues from Witcher 3 in regards to the design of the world, I imagine there will be fewer zones than Inq, but have them more packed with things to do and improve the quality of the sidequests.

-Pr-
I read that. A smaller team screams Andromeda all over again, but I have to think EA won't risk letting it happen again.

Unless of course Bioware is going to end up like all of EAs other victims.

Smasandian
Andromeda wasn't a small team. It was damn big one.

I don't think we need to worry about it being another Andromeda. From what I understand (and what Backfire said) is that a small group is doing pre-production which is most likely concept and prototypes of new gameplay mechanics.

I'm not sure I want Dragon Age 4 to be exactly like Witcher 3 and be open world. I quite like how Origins was set in a few hubs with added linear environments. One of my favourite memories of the game was attacking the tower at the start and how atmospheric it was. However, the sidequests all have to be unique without any added filler (which they can absolutely do ex. Killing Flemeth).

I just don't want something like Dragon Age Inquisition again. I didn't have the greatest time walking through those environments. It felt like work.

-Pr-
I meant in the sense that it wasn't prioritised as much as it should have been. If more people do come onboard when Anthem is ready (though even that's been pushed back), that would be nice to see.

quanchi112
Originally posted by emporerpants
Agreed almost 100%. I would put origins in my top 5 video experiences, but maybe not quite #1. I loved everything about origins. I loved the whole feel of the game, I loved pretty much everything about it. What class did you run Quan? I went dual wielding fighter, as I tend to favor swordsmen in fantasy rpgs.

Also, yeah, Solas was pretty damn awesome in 3. I feel 3 was a giant step in the right direction after the letdown that was 2, although it still wasn't really close to origins. I also really want 4's combat to go back to the style of origins, although that is very unlikely.

I also hope the darkspawn go back to their origins design. I thought they looked a shit ton better in origins than 2 or 3. I always go through the game twice at least. First time is a noble warrior wielding the heavier two armed weapons. The second time is a Mage who is extremely selfish more akin to my real life persona.

I loved Loghain from the first game. Same voice actor from one of my favorite video game characters in Kain from the Legacy of Kain games. The first game blew my mind.

Solas is compassionate and not selfish which is what makes him so damn interesting to me. He's an anomaly for what I like but he does have the insane power thing going for him.

I am glad by the end of the third we have a villain outside the darkspawn. They are great but how much farther can you go there. Sure I want more darkspawn but I'm good without them being the main villains again.


No series comes close to the lore from Dragon Age. Witcher 2 was awesome but it's vastly different which I like but definitely prefer the lore For Dragon Age as opposed to the game of thrones adult oriented content of that series.

BackFire
Another game like Origins would be cool but unfortunately, open world games are so popular and successful I think it's kind of a given that it'll follow that formula again, especially with how successful Inq was for them. But like I said, I doubt it'll be the exact same formula as Inq. Fewer zones with more effort put into them would go a long way.

quanchi112
Originally posted by BackFire
Another game like Origins would be cool but unfortunately, open world games are so popular and successful I think it's kind of a given that it'll follow that formula again, especially with how successful Inq was for them. But like I said, I doubt it'll be the exact same formula as Inq. Fewer zones with more effort put into them would go a long way. I agree I like that's it isn't as open as games like Witcher 3 or Elder Scrolls. I'm far too obsessive with these games. Part of the reason I haven't dove into Witcher 3 is because I'm not coming out for a long time.

BackFire
Missing out. Witcher 3 is game of the generation imo.

Smasandian
Originally posted by BackFire
Another game like Origins would be cool but unfortunately, open world games are so popular and successful I think it's kind of a given that it'll follow that formula again, especially with how successful Inq was for them. But like I said, I doubt it'll be the exact same formula as Inq. Fewer zones with more effort put into them would go a long way.

True, that is probably what is going to happen. However, I hope they do not skimp out on missions levels that are not part of the open world itself.

KingD19
Pls bring back finishers with updated graphics.

-Pr-
Originally posted by KingD19
Pls bring back finishers with updated graphics.

thumb up

That and melee attacks for mages please.

Smasandian
I hope they keep similar combat and make it a bit more tactical. Or at least ensure party members play a big role because there isn't a lot of games out there like that.

Would it be crazy if they want all tactical like XCOM? I think that would be ****ing awesome.

quanchi112
Originally posted by BackFire
Missing out. Witcher 3 is game of the generation imo. I purchased it when it came out. I'll buy all the dlc once I get around to it. I know it's great but I also know once I go in I'm not coming out for a while.

Smasandian
Yes, it's a larger game, especially if you play a lot of Gwent.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Smasandian
Yes, it's a larger game, especially if you play a lot of Gwent. What is strange is that I didn't play through Witcher 2 initially. I tried got 1/6 through and lost interest. Came back a year later started over and finished it twice in a row from scratch. It looks like the same thing is going to happen to Witcher 3 because I didn't play it long enough to get obsessed so I'll have to start it from scratch again.

Smasandian
Witcher 3 starts working really well once you get past the first area (even though that area is pretty damn awesome for a prologue).

I'm replaying it right now and I wish I could play this without knowing about it....it's a great game.

emporerpants
Originally posted by quanchi112
I always go through the game twice at least. First time is a noble warrior wielding the heavier two armed weapons. The second time is a Mage who is extremely selfish more akin to my real life persona.

I loved Loghain from the first game. Same voice actor from one of my favorite video game characters in Kain from the Legacy of Kain games. The first game blew my mind.

Solas is compassionate and not selfish which is what makes him so damn interesting to me. He's an anomaly for what I like but he does have the insane power thing going for him.

I am glad by the end of the third we have a villain outside the darkspawn. They are great but how much farther can you go there. Sure I want more darkspawn but I'm good without them being the main villains again.


No series comes close to the lore from Dragon Age. Witcher 2 was awesome but it's vastly different which I like but definitely prefer the lore For Dragon Age as opposed to the game of thrones adult oriented content of that series.

Ha, I pretty much do the same thing. I do my first playthrough as my noble swordsman, which is my "canon" playthrough, and then I play through again as an evil mage. One of the things I like about origins, jade empire, kotor, etc. is that bioware gave you the freedom to be an evil prick if you wanted. I always enjoyed playing through twice to see how things changed. In recent bioware games though they seem to be getting away from that kind of freedom, which I think is sad. Not much really changes based on your choices in DA:I. You could be a jerk, but not really a truly evil dude. I enjoy the freedom to do either.

emporerpants
This may also sound weird, but you know what I really liked in origins? The camp. I just loved talking to my companions by the fire, and I felt the atmosphere at camp was amazing. I really felt like I was part of an adventuring group out to save the world. Origins just knocked the atmosphere out of the park in general imo.

-Pr-
Originally posted by emporerpants
This may also sound weird, but you know what I really liked in origins? The camp. I just loved talking to my companions by the fire, and I felt the atmosphere at camp was amazing. I really felt like I was part of an adventuring group out to save the world. Origins just knocked the atmosphere out of the park in general imo.

It really did.

It's an amazing game. Easily my favourite of the last decade.

emporerpants
Indeed. It was a good time to be a bioware fan, cuz not long after origins, Mass Effect 2 came out. So I went right from playing the shit out of origins to playing the shit out of Mass Effect 2. Those were the days man.

emporerpants
So, if you could have one thing guaranteed in Dragon Age 4, what would it be? It can be a story element, game mechanic, combat system, character, etc. If you could only pick one and have it in the game for sure, what would it be?

Smasandian
Easily, less maps with more memorable areas/quests. I don't like the paint by numbers quests Dragon Age 3 had. The main story was interesting but everything else was weaker.

quanchi112
Originally posted by emporerpants
Ha, I pretty much do the same thing. I do my first playthrough as my noble swordsman, which is my "canon" playthrough, and then I play through again as an evil mage. One of the things I like about origins, jade empire, kotor, etc. is that bioware gave you the freedom to be an evil prick if you wanted. I always enjoyed playing through twice to see how things changed. In recent bioware games though they seem to be getting away from that kind of freedom, which I think is sad. Not much really changes based on your choices in DA:I. You could be a jerk, but not really a truly evil dude. I enjoy the freedom to do either. How can you play this game so similarly to myself and champion superman. Anyways, yes I agree the first game probably had a lot more time in developing it then the sequels so I'd gather that's the reason why.

As I previously said there won't ever be an experience that rivals my first play through of Origins. I just know they can come close to the sun again like certain parts of Inquisition the Solas dlc especially the ending of it which IMO is the true ending to the game.

quanchi112
Originally posted by emporerpants
This may also sound weird, but you know what I really liked in origins? The camp. I just loved talking to my companions by the fire, and I felt the atmosphere at camp was amazing. I really felt like I was part of an adventuring group out to save the world. Origins just knocked the atmosphere out of the park in general imo. Yes, you truly felt by the end of the main quest in origins you went on this adventure with them. It was surreal hence my utter devotion to this series even if they don't come close to recreating that sense of connection to a fantasy game.

BackFire
quanchi, just curious, have you ever played the Mass Effect games?

quanchi112
Originally posted by BackFire
quanchi, just curious, have you ever played the Mass Effect games? Never.

BackFire
That's surprising. You should try them, similar to the DA games in a lot of ways. Great stuff.

quanchi112
Originally posted by BackFire
That's surprising. You should try them, similar to the DA games in a lot of ways. Great stuff. I am more into medieval sorcery with these types of games. Sci Fi is great in a movie setting for me but when it comes to these quest like games medieval, fantasy setting is what I love. Witcher 3 after god of war. I don't game enough to devote the time but I do suspect I would like the games if I gave them a chance.

BackFire
I think you would, especially if you like Star Trek and Star Wars, those were the main inspirations for Mass Effect and it's pretty obvious.

I'm like you, I prefer Medieval fantasy over Sci Fi usually, but the Mass Effect series grabbed me in a way no other game series ever had. If you ever have the time or get the chance, I think you should definitely give them a go.

-Pr-
Originally posted by emporerpants
So, if you could have one thing guaranteed in Dragon Age 4, what would it be? It can be a story element, game mechanic, combat system, character, etc. If you could only pick one and have it in the game for sure, what would it be?

Just one? Ha.

-Less MMO shite.
-Darker tone.
-Play my Warden again.
-Better writing.
-Less annoying companions. Seriously, **** off Sera.
-Proper tactical combat.
-Bring back the (imo) superior magic trees from the first two games.
-Less ****ing with the lore.

etc, etc.

quanchi112
Originally posted by BackFire
I think you would, especially if you like Star Trek and Star Wars, those were the main inspirations for Mass Effect and it's pretty obvious.

I'm like you, I prefer Medieval fantasy over Sci Fi usually, but the Mass Effect series grabbed me in a way no other game series ever had. If you ever have the time or get the chance, I think you should definitely give them a go. I have been on record to make this claim. I would take the experience of Dragon Age Origins over a relationship with a woman. It was that amazing. But maybe one day I'll get around to it but right now when I do go knee deep into a video game these two already called shotgun.

John Murdoch
Dragon Age: Origins might be the most immersed I've ever been with a video game world. It was Lord of the Rings Trilogy for video games

Loved Dragon Age 2 as well, but it's a B/maybe B+ to DA:O's A+.

Haven't been able to get into Inquisition, as I got it on PlayStation Store for like $11...on the PS3. The last gen version (all 10 minutes I played of it) was pretty horrible. Imagine getting through Fellowship of the Ring and Two Towers, only to find out Return of the King was filmed in VHS-quality resolution and the "TRACKING" lines and static popped up every cut. Very disappointing.

Such a disappointment brought me to Mass Effect, and it's been a blast.

cdtm
Have Origons sitting on my hard drive.

Tried the flash demo on a pc, and it seemed fun.

ares834
Originally posted by Smasandian
Easily, less maps with more memorable areas/quests. I don't like the paint by numbers quests Dragon Age 3 had. The main story was interesting but everything else was weaker.

That was my big problem with the game. It forced you to do these shitty side quests to progress the main plot.

BackFire
Another thing I would change, and this goes for all modern Bioware games, I'd go back to actually utilizing the cinematic style camera during ALL conversations again, like they had with Mass Effect 1 and 2, and as they do with Witcher 3 and Horizon. The way they do it now is just not immersive and feels too dry. Just not as engaging.

Adam Grimes
Yeah, why did they make the decision of stepping back in that regard?

Doesn't make sense.

KingD19
I also wish they'd incorporate more "Interrupt" moments like in ME2. They had a very small amount in DA2 and Inquisition, but it was more like a branching conversation because you had some extra knowledge or getting a different reaction due to your class than say, "Stabbing someone in the gut because they disrespected you, or blasting someone with your magic during the conversation before the fight for an advantage.

Smasandian
I'm not sure I want another Dragon Age. I got the feeling that Dragon Age 3 filled out the universe enough.....

Maybe a new IP? A current day spy RPG would be ****ing awesome.

BackFire
Did you play Trespasser, the final DA3 dlc? They set up quite a bit to cover in the coming games with that.

Nephthys
Yeah, after Trespasser not getting a DA 4 should be considered a war crime.

Smasandian
Originally posted by BackFire
Did you play Trespasser, the final DA3 dlc? They set up quite a bit to cover in the coming games with that.

No, I didn't......after playing Dragon Age 3, I was done with it.

-Pr-
Yeah, Trespasser sets up a LOT of stuff going forward. TBH, it really shouldn't be DLC, but rather the final act of the game.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, after Trespasser not getting a DA 4 should be considered a war crime. thumb up

quanchi112
Originally posted by Smasandian
No, I didn't......after playing Dragon Age 3, I was done with it. Trespasser was the most enjoyable part of dragon age. Hands down.

Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.