If Beerus is a 10...

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Galan007
If Beerus is a 10, where do the following characters rank in comparison..?

-SSB Vegito
-Jiren
-UI Goku
-Hakaishin-Toppo
-SSB Goku /w/ KKx20
-ASSB Vegeta
-Golden Freeza
-LSSJ2 Kefla
-Aniraza


*All estimates should be based on the MOST CURRENT information. IOW, this scale is subject to change on a weekly basis, until the conclusion of the ToP(and subsequently DBS itself.)

Damborgson
From what the manga seemed to be implying on Vegito...

9 or 9.5 for Vegito Blue, Zamasu arc. Who knows how powerful he'd be now.

Jiren: 12

UI Goku: 8.5

Toppo: 9.5

Goku x20: 7

ASSB Vegeta: 7 as of right now

Golden Frieza: 5

Kefla: 5.5

Aniraza: 6

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Damborgson
From what the manga seemed to be implying on Vegito...

9 or 9.5 for Vegito Blue, Zamasu arc. Who knows how powerful he'd be now.

Jiren: 12

UI Goku: 8.5

Toppo: 9.5

Goku x20: 7

ASSB Vegeta: 7 as of right now

Golden Frieza: 5

Kefla: 5.5

Aniraza: 6

UI Goku needs to be wayyyyy higher, he's better then Beerus.

cdtm
Originally posted by Galan007
If Beerus is a 10, where do the following characters rank in comparison..?

-SSB Vegito 7
-Jiren 30
-UI Goku 9
-Hakaishin-Toppo 9
-SSB Goku /w/ KKx20 6
-ASSB Vegeta 6
-Golden Freeza 4
-LSSJ2 Kefla 8
-Aniraza 8
-Superman Infinity+1


*All estimates should be based on the MOST CURRENT information. IOW, this scale is subject to change on a weekly basis, until the conclusion of the ToP(and subsequently DBS itself.)

Damborgson
Originally posted by Jmanghan
UI Goku needs to be wayyyyy higher, he's better then Beerus.

By the end of the tournament I have no doubt he will be, but as of now...not quite.

cdtm
Not at all. There's no reason to believe Goku is above Beerus.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Damborgson
By the end of the tournament I have no doubt he will be, but as of now...not quite. I think UI Goku is > Jiren tbh, considering his performance against him.

cdtm
Jiren wasn't fighting seriously.

SSJGGogeta
If Beerus is a 10, then

-SSB Vegetto: 11, was stated that SSJB Vegetto was superior to Beerus
-Jiren: 12, possibly higher
-UI Goku: 9 or 10, give or take. Not sure as of right now.
-Hakaishin-Toppo: No way to know for sure, but probably around 8 or 9
-SSB Goku /w/ KKx20: Probably around 7 or 8
-ASSB Vegeta: Right up there with KK Goku at 7 or 8
-Golden Freeza: Probably no more than 4 or 5
-LSSJ2 Kefla: Probably around 8 or 9. Above ASSJB Vegeta, but below UI Goku
-Aniraza: Not sure.
-Superman: 0.0000000000000000000000000000001, on average.

NewGuy01
Whis: 15
Jiren: 11(?)
SSB Vegetto: 10
Beerus: 10
GoD Toppo: 9
ASSB Vegeta: 8
SSBKKx20 Goku: 8
LSSJ2 Kefla: 8
Golden Frieza: 7
SSG Goku: 6

Inedian
Ok... Beerus probably is the most powerful GoD out of those 8 universes. Beerus himself has also UI to probably high degree (but not mastered UI) combined with immense raw power.

For now, Jiren is 7 at best.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Whis: 15
Jiren: 11(?)
SSB Vegetto: 10
Beerus: 10
GoD Toppo: 9
ASSB Vegeta: 8
SSBKKx20 Goku: 8
LSSJ2 Kefla: 8
Golden Frieza: 7
SSG Goku: 6

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carver9
-SSB Vegito - 8
-Jiren - 13 or 14
-UI Goku - 9.5
-Hakaishin-Toppo - 9
-SSB Goku /w/ KKx20 - 6
-ASSB Vegeta - 6
-Golden Freeza - 4
-LSSJ2 Kefla 6
-Aniraza - 5

Jmanghan
Originally posted by Inedian
Ok... Beerus probably is the most powerful GoD out of those 8 universes. Beerus himself has also UI to probably high degree (but not mastered UI) combined with immense raw power.

For now, Jiren is 7 at best. lol wtf.

Galan007
Originally posted by Inedian
Ok... Beerus probably is the most powerful GoD out of those 8 universes. Beerus himself has also UI to probably high degree (but not mastered UI) combined with immense raw power.

For now, Jiren is 7 at best. I'm inclined to agree, actually(though I would probably put Jiren a bit higher.)

As of right now, I don't think he's displayed power superior to that of Beerus, which is why I am somewhat surprised to see that most are putting him above that level. At *full* power I'm sure that will be a different story, but we have yet to see his full power. In fact, we don't even know how much power Jiren is currently using -- could be 99% of his maximum, could be 50%, could be 2%. /shrug

Sj_Sharp
Since the very first episodes of DBS it resulted clear that the 6-10-15 scale was not intended to be linear. Furthermore, when KK first appeared, it definitely sealed it.
Big numbers on linear scales become relatively small and close to themselves on logarithmic scales, and this would be exactly the case, allowing to to cover and fit to the story all the transformations that we have seen until now.

For example, on a log10 scale, BoG SSG Goku being 6 and Beerus being 10 means that Beerus would actually be 10000 times stronger on a linear (BP) scale.

Being said that:

- SSB Vegetto (vs MZ) = 10
He was stated to be perhaps greater than Beerus in the manga. With KK his level would be higher, not to mention that a current (ToP) SSB Vegetto would be much more powerful.

- Jiren = at least 10.1
On my current scale it means that he would be minimum 1.25 times stronger than Beerus (who is top 3 GoDs). 1.25 times stronger in DB> used to mean "STOMP". Also remember that a small step on a log scale is actually big with a linear approach. It is probable that, at the end of the ToP, I would have him even higher when he will show his full power.

- UI Goku (2nd appearance vs Kefla) = 9.7
I still have him at least 2 times weaker than Beerus at this point, but you can see from Beerus' face that he is almost there. However, if a supposed master UI is going to happen at the climax of the last ToP episodes, in order to match (or at least get close to) whatever a serious Jiren will have to offer, his level would definitely have to go beyond Beerus'.

- GoD Toppo = 9.4
The GoDs are not all equal in power, however it is clear that they have to be at least in the same ballpark. I have GoD Toppo (who is a beginner) placed at the low-end scale of the GoDs' rank.

- KKx20 SSB Goku (current) = 8.7
Simply, 20 times more powerful than his current SSB version

- Super Saiyan My Cabba Vegeta = 8.7
I have him equal to KKx20 Goku right now, however things could change after the new episodes...

- True Golden Freeza = 7.4
I have him more or less equal to current SSB Goku.

- LSS2 Kefla = 9
She was a beast, but, even if her last attack could have damaged Goku due to its "extreme, OP, cutting-laser-like" nature, I don't believe she could have matched him in actual BP. Indeed, at the end of the day she couldn't touch him and got obliterated by his Kamehameha. As for the other forms of Kefla (base and LSSJ), it it is imortant to remember that she fighting an extremely tired SSB Goku and she was even losing.

- Aniraza = 7.9
3 SSB tiers characters (+ 2 lesser ones) were required to match his power beam, so I have him a little bit more than 3 times stronger than current SSB Goku.

Bonus

- Whis = 15
This really makes you understand how much more powerful the Angels are than all the rest. LOL.
Master of UI, space and time manipulation, Whis is a beast

- BoG SSG Goku = 6

- Ssj4 Gogeta = 3.16
This is where I have the strongest being of the pre-Super DB continuity. He surely is a beast (I have him at a multi-galaxy level scale), but he cannot compare with DBS top dogs.

- Grand Priest = ?
Whis cannot even touch him, and he explicitly stated in the manga that he is strongest being in all of creation. Considering that Whis is not even the strongest among the Angels and that the GP tops all of them by an unfunny degree, I would have him at 20 or even more.

Galan007
Of course the "15, 10, 6" scale Toriyama originally provided after the release of BoG(but before RoF and DBS) is no longer applicable. As we now know full-well, n00b SSG Goku was definitely NOT within 40% of Beerus' maximum... Not when Beerus can casually one-shot-ragdoll FPSSBs without even really trying.

I just used '10' here as an arbitrary number. Makes it a bit simpler to rank the others in comparison when using a 10-scale, imo. That's all.

Sj_Sharp
Originally posted by Galan007
Of course the "15, 10, 6" scale Toriyama originally provided after the release of BoG(but before RoF and DBS) is no longer applicable. As we now know full-well, n00b SSG Goku was definitely NOT within 40% of Beerus' maximum... Not when Beerus can casually one-shot-ragdoll FPSSBs without even really trying.

I just used '10' here as an arbitrary number. Makes it a bit simpler to rank the others in comparison when using a 10-scale, imo. That's all.

Yes, a simple, linear 6-10-15 scale stopped to make sense at the very beginning of DBS.
When KK on top of SSB was first introduced, I started to think about it as a log "6-10-15" scale, and it really makes sense, covering pretty well all of the power increases of we saw in the show until now.
I also found a very interesting thread on Kanzenshuu where a detailed analysis demonstrated the capability to use a log scale to cover current DBS power-levels (which are too big to be comfortably expressed in a linear manner) and then to compare them to and convert them into old fashioned, DBZ power levels.

Of course, nothing serious at the end of the day, just to have fun.

bbrem123
Beerus: 10
Jiren: 8 (will most likely pass Beerus)
UI Goku: 7 (will most likely pass Beerus)
Hakaishin-Toppo: 6
ASSB Vegeta: 5 (Rage boost 7)
SSB Goku /w/ KKx20: 5
LSSJ2 Kefla: 5
SSB Vegito: 4 (anime was not impressive at all, manga would be a 10)
Aniraza: 4
Golden Freeza: 3

NewGuy01
Really, I don't see it as a logarithmic scale either. It's simply that SSG Goku is a "level six" whereas Beerus is a "level ten," with each level being an order of magnitude above than the last.

Galan007
So, any guesstimates on where a full-power Jiren stands, relative to Beerus?

NewGuy01
Not really. He himself didn't comment, and the current characters are too far removed from any incarnation that fought Beerus to be of much help.

The best we can do is scale off Toppo, but that seems pretty unreliable.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ

carver9
Can Beerus stand in one spot without flinching while Blue Goku pounds on him? If the answer is yes, please provide anime evidence.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ

Galan007
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Well, we know from Jiren's comment that Vegeta was still throwing around power capable of beating up Hakaishin Toppo, and Jiren proceeded to oneshot him into Base after the comment. If Toppo has any degree of relativity with the Hakaishin, and Vegeta even moreso, it should give us a decent idea of where Jiren stands. True, but last episode it was also stated that Vegeta expended nearly all of his power when he used the Kamikaze attack against Toppo -- IOW, he was literally running on fumes this episode, which might help explain why Jiren kept one-shotting him back to base.

It was basically a repeat of a depleted SSG/SSB Goku vs. Kefla. /shrug

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
There is no evidence either way, which is kind of the point. We literally don't know where Beerus stands in relation to Jiren. I'd like to think at this point that Jiren is above Beerus, but nothing has been conclusively proven. thumb up

Personally, I was surprised that neither Beerus or Whis commented on Jiren's full power... Though I expect the character-comments to start rolling in once Goku attains MUI.

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