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another terrible post, just stop az

His posts are usually terrible but he still thinks he is cool and smart(and with facts) because he is part of the Sheev Brigade.

https://youtu.be/ayAu5OkvwGY

Oh boy, I like how you still think that they're the only ones who have done this.

I pitty Azronger. He keeps cherishing attention from likes like ILS and Tempest.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
I pitty Azronger. He keeps cherishing attention from likes like ILS and Tempest.
LMAO

KMC doesn't even deserve intelligent posts at this point.

But yeah, Tenebrous is a monster.

Does he beat Failkorion, ILS?

Not sure, but it's possible.

Could Failkorion will the galaxy into a dark side nexus, or steal midi-chlorians from the Force's control? Could he overpower the will of the Force?

Originally posted by Azronger
Could Failkorion will the galaxy into a dark side nexus, or steal midi-chlorians from the Force's control? Could he overpower the will of the Force?
we have no way of knowing

Tenebrous > Valkorion seems pretty strong yeah

Originally posted by Intrpd
we have no way of knowing

But if people say he can, then it's up to them to prove it. Right now it seems Tenebrous has superior feats, and in the absence of such feats from the other party, we assume the former is stronger, like with any other matchup.

It's also quite ironic how the guy with "no feats" can beat Failkorion in a feat war, isn't it?

no

Tenebrous' barrier feat is pretty insane, too. The caverns were the size of cathedrals, and the gas explosion was likened to a throat gasping for breath. So the entire cavern was engulfed by the explosion. Tenebrous "contained" the entire explosion, bottlenecking all of it as well as all of the force pushing it forward, and he held it while Plagueis got to his feet, held some slabs and then warned Tenebrous.

Tenebrous then helped with holding up the falling ceiling while the remainder of the explosive flames "licked his back." So he was at that point multi-tasking between containing the remainder of the explosion and holding up stone slabs.

As a feat, it shits on just about every other barrier feat I can think of. Unlike Cade Skywalker's lab explosion feat or Zannah's forest feat, where they just protected themselves inside of bubbles as the explosion washed over them, Tenebrous held the entire cathedral-sized gas explosion at bay in a bottleneck. The fact he was able to multi-task while doing so and the lack of descriptors also suggests it wasn't exactly his most desperate hour, either.

I like how Book of Sith destroys the idea of midichlorian manipulation being overly superior to sorcery. But people can't read, evidently.

Originally posted by ILS
Tenebrous' barrier feat is pretty insane, too. The caverns were the size of cathedrals, and the gas explosion was likened to a throat gasping for breath. So the entire cavern was engulfed by the explosion. Tenebrous "contained" the entire explosion, bottlenecking all of it as well as all of the force pushing it forward, and he held it while Plagueis got to his feet, held some slabs and then warned Tenebrous.

Tenebrous then helped with holding up the falling ceiling while the remainder of the explosive flames "licked his back." So he was at that point multi-tasking between containing the remainder of the explosion and holding up stone slabs.

As a feat, it shits on just about every other barrier feat I can think of. Unlike Cade Skywalker's lab explosion feat or Zannah's forest feat, where they just protected themselves inside of bubbles as the explosion washed over them, Tenebrous held the entire cathedral-sized gas explosion at bay in a bottleneck. The fact he was able to multi-task while doing so and the lack of descriptors also suggests it wasn't exactly his most desperate hour, either.

mareks barrier feat is a bit better iirc

Originally posted by Intrpd
mareks barrier feat is a bit better iirc
TBH Marek also seems to be above Valkorion in that regard.

What do you think, Stigma? Can Tenebrous unbalance the galaxy? Can he beat Failkorion?

Originally posted by Stigma
TBH Marek also seems to be above Valkorion in that regard.

Given Vaylin protected herself and Senya from the explosion of a hyperdrive at point-blank range with nothing but a purely instinctual barrier, probably not.

how does vaylin having a good barrier mean that so does valkorion lol

Originally posted by Azronger
What do you think, Stigma? Can Tenebrous unbalance the galaxy? Can he beat Failkorion?
Hard to say. Whenever I think I have a firm place for Valkorion in the SW pecking order, he still surprises me and manages to go lower on the totem pole.

As of now Tenebrous is superior to Tenebrae, it seems.

Originally posted by Intrpd
how does vaylin having a good barrier mean that so does valkorion lol

He repeatedly one-shots her, that's why. His power is magnitudes greater than her own. She used raw power to summon an instinctual barrier, his being far greater makes that logic pretty easy to follow.

simply being more powerful than someone overall does not mean you are superior to that person with every single force power lol.

Given Valk's barrier is consistently portrayed as beyond everyone else's ability, you're just stretching.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Given Valk's barrier is consistently portrayed as beyond everyone else's ability, you're just stretching.
which barrier feats does he have

When the Outlander summons lightsaber-resistant, hand-sized barriers, because of Valk's power boon, Arcann loses his shit and realises Valk's spirit must be in the Outlander. That same power boon takes the Outlander from one-shot material to victory over Arcann and then Vaylin. It couldn't be more obvious.

Valkorion is obviously vastly superior to chained Vaylin in every respect, lmao.

Originally posted by AncientPower
When the Outlander summons lightsaber-resistant, hand-sized barriers, because of Valk's power boon, Arcann loses his shit and realises Valk's spirit must be in the Outlander. That same power boon takes the Outlander from one-shot material to victory over Arcann and then Vaylin. It couldn't be more obvious.
i think ive seen that before, where he blocks lightsaber strikes with his hand? thats force deflection lol not force barrier

Are you always this dense?

He's a troll, AP. Don't bother.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Are you always this dense?
concession accepted you retarded cross-breed

Originally posted by Nephthys
He's a troll, AP. Don't bother.
lol but how does valks barrier > vaylin just because he is more powerful than her? you wouldnt agree that by the same logic, tenebrous' lightning is > bane's

You can't figure it out for yourself? Just think about it man.

Just think about it.......

Originally posted by Nephthys
You can't figure it out for yourself? Just think about it man.

Just think about it.......
so tenebrous lightning is >>>>>>>>>>>>> bane's? ok

Originally posted by AncientPower
When the Outlander summons lightsaber-resistant, hand-sized barriers, because of Valk's power boon, Arcann loses his shit and realises Valk's spirit must be in the Outlander. That same power boon takes the Outlander from one-shot material to victory over Arcann and then Vaylin. It couldn't be more obvious.

Given that Vader can do that I suppose this proves Vader > anyone in TOR not named Valkorion.

Originally posted by Intrpd
mareks barrier feat is a bit better iirc

Which one?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Which one?
he creates a barrier that withstands the heat comparable to the outer layers of a star iirc. forgot which book tho.

Originally posted by Intrpd
he creates a barrier that withstands the heat comparable to the outer layers of a star iirc. forgot which book tho. Nope, it was just him tanking re-entry heats while falling into earth's atmosphere. Nowhere near star level heats.

I'm guessing a massive gas explosion is hotter than re-entry.

Originally posted by ILS
Nope, it was just him tanking re-entry heats while falling into earth's atmosphere. Nowhere near star level heats.

I'm guessing a massive gas explosion is hotter than re-entry.

Nah the passage says it's heats on the order of the outer layers of a star.

That's not exactly the best barrier feat though.

Arcann's barrier feat is also insane.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Given that Vader can do that I suppose this proves Vader > anyone in TOR not named Valkorion.

The actual barrier isn't the point, I don't think. 'Thor does the same thing against the First Son essentially. AP's argument is that its Spirit Valk's power boost that enables the Outlander to create barriers powerful enough to withstand Arcann and Vaylin. Naturally Valkorion's full strength would be significantly greater than the Outlanders in this regard.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Nah the passage says it's heats on the order of the outer layers of a star.

That's not exactly the best barrier feat though. He needed to maintain the Force shield against the sort of heat he might find in the outer layers of a star.

Eh, I'm not clued up enough on physics to know how hot re-entry heats get, but I'm guessing it's not as hot as the outer layers of a star, hence the "might."

And again, he was only shielding himself from the heat, whereas Tenebrous was bottlenecking the whole explosion, so I'd say Tenebrous' is better. Granted Galen then went on to destroy half a frigate at the same time.

Az, I'm impressed with what you've acccomplished for Nome here. Innocuous details most of us would have (and did) overlook. For such a minor character, Tenebrous is obviously extremely powerful. I suppose between Banite scaling, his cosmically significant esoteric powers, and his standing relative to Plagueis, a credible argument can indeed be made that he's much more powerful than Failkorion.

Originally posted by ILS
He needed to maintain the Force shield against the sort of heat he might find in the outer layers of a star.

Eh, I'm not clued up enough on physics to know how hot re-entry heats get, but I'm guessing it's not as hot as the outer layers of a star, hence the "might."

And again, he was only shielding himself from the heat, whereas Tenebrous was bottlenecking the whole explosion, so I'd say Tenebrous' is better. Granted Galen then went on to destroy half a frigate at the same time.
in any case, both are very impressive. arguing which one is better is probably borderline impossible

Originally posted by ILS
He needed to maintain the Force shield against the sort of heat he might find in the outer layers of a star.

Eh, I'm not clued up enough on physics to know how hot re-entry heats get, but I'm guessing it's not as hot as the outer layers of a star, hence the "might."

And again, he was only shielding himself from the heat, whereas Tenebrous was bottlenecking the whole explosion, so I'd say Tenebrous' is better. Granted Galen then went on to destroy half a frigate at the same time.

tbh though it hurts Starkiller to say this, a lot of explosions would generate higher temperatures anyway.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Az, I'm impressed with what you've acccomplished for Nome here. Innocuous details most of us would have (and did) overlook. For such a minor character, Tenebrous is obviously extremely powerful. I suppose between Banite scaling, his cosmically significant esoteric powers, and his standing relative to Plagueis, a credible argument can indeed be made that he's much more powerful than Failkorion.

I am honored one as far above us mortals as yourself has descended down from Sheev's heaven to not only acknowledge, but to give praise to such a lowly cretin as I. I am forever your servant, Master, and will not rest until Failkorion lies in the dirt. Right now, it seems Tenebrous has surpassed him. The notion will be cemented in the coming weeks, I assure you.

Originally posted by Intrpd
in any case, both are very impressive. arguing which one is better is probably borderline impossible Not really. Galen putting a shield over himself so the explosion passes over him, versus Tenebrous holding back a cathedral-sized cavern's worth of explosive energy is a clear win for Tenebrous.

The explosion was also powerful enough to knock Plagueis to the ground, for whatever that may be worth.

Originally posted by ILS
Not really. Galen putting a shield over himself so the explosion passes over him, versus Tenebrous holding back a cathedral-sized cavern's worth of explosive energy is a clear win for Tenebrous.
tenebrous contained the fireball that emerged from the explosion of cathedral sized caverns.

starkiller contained air hotter than ordinary flame (metal rungs had turned red from heat) that would have fried him if not for his barrier, then maintaining the shield against heat comparable to outer layers of a star and raindrops that hit with the force of thermal detonators while simultaneously holding the ship together and then practically disintegrating what remained of the frigate.

how is tenebrous' barrier superior lol.

Originally posted by Intrpd
mareks barrier feat is a bit better iirc

prolly tbh

Because I see little evidence outside of flowery descriptions that SK was dealing with anything hotter than atmospheric re-entry.

His use of TK obviously makes the feat way more impressive I agree, but the use of Force Barrier itself was more impressive on Tenebrous' part.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
prolly tbh
i told ant to greet you from me, did he?

Originally posted by ILS
Because I see little evidence outside of flowery descriptions that SK was dealing with anything hotter than atmospheric re-entry.

His use of TK obviously makes the feat way more impressive I agree, but the use of Force Barrier itself was more impressive on Tenebrous' part.
but he simultaneously devoted energy to presumably using the force to ground himself to the ship and using the force to keep the ship from falling apart, then tk'ing the ship. and still his barrier was resisting raindrops of energy compared to thermal detonators and outer-star-layer heat. this barrier would almost certainly have needed more concentration to pull off than ''simply'' contain the fireball from the cave explosion that tenebrous did, in my opinion. but unless you have any way to reliably quantify heat levels or similar of each event, then it is impossible to justify our opinions other than ''i feel like...''. arguing subjective interpretations is a waste of time

Fine by me ningen.

2015 ils would be ashamed of this filthy weebshit coming out of your mouth, 2018 ils. no

Originally posted by NewGuy01
2015 ils would be ashamed of this filthy weebshit coming out of your mouth, 2018 ils. no I blame you, personally.

Originally posted by ILS
I blame you, personally.

Fair.

These Sith existed in an era in which midichlorians of a living being could be observed with relevant tools (and experimented with). How exactly is this an indication of superiority in strength over ancients who did not had access to similar tools?


Throughout history, scores of Force-users have defied the will of the Force by cheating death; Valkorion being the most prominent case in this matter.

What is so special about Darth Tenebrous preventing a tiny fraction of his midichlorians to be subsumed into Cosmic Force after death?

Revan kept his body "animated" with sheer force of will, after his apparent death in a fight with an Imperial Strike Team. Revan's act of defiance was so intense that his spirit lurked separately from his animated corpse - and this caused a massive disturbance in the Force that could be felt from anywhere.


Flowery explanation notwithstanding, Darths Tenebrous and Plagueis were strong in the Force and really good scientists on top with the luxury to observe and experiment with midichlorians.

Perhaps some are not aware of accomplishments of Darth Scabrous:

In the dining hall, Lussk was watching the dead awaken.

He saw it with two sets of eyes: the ones he'd had when he'd been alive, and the strange new vision that the Sickness had given him. On some intuitive level he understood that the first set was fading, going blind, and that was fine with him, absolutely fine. The Sickness had given him everything he'd hoped for, everything he wanted, power and strength beyond all imagining. It had altered the midi-chlorians in his bloodstream, telescoping his natural abilities, enhancing them exponentially.

He had been here, of course, when the things burst out of the kitchen, and he'd defended himself adroitly with a series of Force pushes and acrobatic jumps while weaker and less skilled students had fallen and been devoured. Within minutes the things from the kitchen had transformed the dining hall into a charnel house of untrammeled butchery. Now the floors were slick with blood.

The newly dead were rising slowly, shuffling to their feet. Rising up with them, Lussk stared into their faces, faces that he recognized from the academy, now contorted into something utterly new. He felt no fear at the sight of them, no sense of foreboding-only a slick dark fascination.

I'm looking at my future, he thought, and shivered with anticipation. It was a good future, he realized, an endless future, a place of unfathomable possibility.

He saw it all now. The rumor was that Darth Scabrous had been experimenting with an immortality drug, a remedy for death itself, and Lussk saw now that the Sith Lord had been successful beyond his wildest dreams and most deranged nightmares. These things had transcended death. The power they held was beyond anything taught here at the academy. Before it, both Jedi and Sith were nothing, less than nothing, infinitesimal crumbs in the vast expanse of the universe.

Taken from Red Harvest


Darth Plagueis's demonstration of briefly re-animating the corpse of Darth Venamis pales in comparison to accomplishments of Darth Scabrous in relatively disadvantaged circumstances.

Darth Scabrous >>>>>

Both Tenebrous and Plagueis can observe midichlorians through the Force, Tenebrous in particular can observe them individually.

Meh, I still favor valk over tene but I'm open to being convinced.

Originally posted by ILS
Both Tenebrous and Plagueis can observe midichlorians through the Force, Tenebrous in particular can observe them individually.


Mind telling me that at what point in their lives they were able to do that?

They lived in an era in which midichlorians were "well-understood." And both were scientists on top.

There's more than a few quotes on this, but these should surely suffice:


Darth Plagueis

The Tenebrous Way

And for Tenebrous:
The Tenebrous Way

I swear that Az's post is so stupid that he has problems in reading the text.



You see. The text flatly says that the only reason Tenebrous managed to do that was by creating a retroviruse using his Bith intellect and senses. He didn't do anything via the Force to challenge the Force's rule. Instead he did it via science(a non-Force method). He didn't do anything via his own raw power in the Force. He didn't impose his own will over the Force, so the Force didn't respond back.

I think Red Harvest implies that Lussk can also perceive the midi-chlorians. Not only that, but in order for Scabrous to alter the properties of midi-chlorians, he has to Force-perceive them in the first place.

Sorry why is noticing midichlorians in your body dying impressive, when you have the likes of Soa mentally affecting people, across the galaxy, which is Far far far far far bigger, in terms of pinpointing something than pinpointing certain midichlorians.

Creating Holocrons require manipulation at the atomic level anyway, which the likes of Child vitiate can do.

So the collective order of the sith, blinded the collective order of the Jedi, not surprised when they have Vitiate.

But meh, Sidious highhandedly Blocked the Jedi's connection to foresight, during order 66, resulting in the Jedi purge.

yup^

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Plagueis's demonstration of briefly re-animating the corpse of Darth Venamis pales in comparison to accomplishments of Darth Scabrous in relatively disadvantaged circumstances.

Darth Scabrous >>>>>

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Originally posted by MythLord
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this gif is ****ing perfect LMFAO

Originally posted by Haschwalth
So the collective order of the sith, blinded the collective order of the Jedi, not surprised when they have Vitiate.

But meh, Sidious highhandedly Blocked the Jedi's connection to foresight, during order 66, resulting in the Jedi purge.

Exactly. This proves that even Vitiate is capable of such cosmic feats. As about Palpatine. It was much easier for Palpatine to hinder the Jedi's sight by himself because he and Plagueis mostly did it when they underwent that Sith meditation of suffusing the galaxy with the power of the dark side.

Note: I do not thing that Vitiate had anything to do with what Malgus said. I think Malgus said that the Sith Emperor isn't concerned with the fate of the empire. Even, so, this proves that if someone like Malgus could do that with a collective of Sith, what stops Vitiate from doing that by himself? Probably because Vitiate doesn't care about the Jedi nor the Sith, he only faced them when necessary.