Originally posted by leonidas
when i said no context, i meant no context. he was literally standing on a roof controlling all the villains. as for constantine, he wiped him out along with animal man and the others effortlessly. and the wendigo has repeatedly been referenced as animalistic. the recent ones in amazing xmen seem less...magical than the older ones. the older ones also seemed to have humans still in reach. either way seems like grodd is well suited here.
hmmmm? they just showed up already under grodds control. So when did he take them over? he did it off-panel prior to sending them to fight Batman/Superman. how did he do it? one on one? during a fight? with prep? etc. He showed up with them already under his control, but we have zero context how and when he did it.
again none of them are know for having invulnerability without prep which they didn't have there.
Yes referred to be an animal-like, but as stated many times is a demon spirit.
Less magical? Ok now I know your trolling. Talsiman was there because they were magical and was cancelling the curse saving some before she tried to do that big spell before being stabbed. Wendigo was crossing the border and turning back into humans due to the curse. The Xmen then even go to the spirit realm to fight magical creatures...like how, HOW? in your mind can you seriously say they were less magical then previous stories. This was one of their biggest magical stories for the wendigo sans Mauvais
Humans still in reach? haha ok Leo. Sure if you ignore all the onpanel statements and years of continuity.
I just don't understand how you don't get it. "the cannibal is overcome by his own greed and gluttony. His very humanity begins to melt away, when all that remains is the physical embodiment of his insatiable hunger the wendigo is born"
Wolverine: "...wilderness cannibal gets possessed by the spirit of wendigo. same spirit. different body
soon after the act of cannibalism, ALL aspects of the cannibal's humanity becomes OBLITERATED as the person assumes the voracious appetite and bestial instructs of the wendigo". Later it states "....during the fight cartier's mind was COMPLETLY SUBMERGED"
"Under MOST circumstances a Wendigo possesses only a crude animal-like intellect; certain individuals have proven able to retain their human intelligence via use of magic".
Ghost rider "...and invoked the ancient curse that transformed him into the wendigo. As the last vestiges of his humanity were CONSUMED, his soul screamed out to his beloved "
"then, his LAST vestiges of HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS fading, the shaggy woodsbeast turns to the granite wall that imprisons him"
The ONE example you used to say that it should be considered fact and ignore everything else says "in a fleeting moment of incongruous (ie. not in harmony or keeping with the surroundings or other aspects of something) calm, the wendigo pauses to regard its damaged hand -- itself straining to focus -- to reveal a life before the rage, before the curse"...."so focused and driven by it's primal rage-- that the tiny spark of humanity still left within the possessed beat -- grasps once more at a flickering memory of what had come before" That doesn't scream to me the human is easily accessible which even says this was incredibly rare and contradicts years and years of other on-panel statements. This was used as a way to show how the wendigo turned into the wendigo and nothing more
again if it was so easy as you say why haven't ANYONE pulled the human out of them?
You trying to give scenarios as fact for your character even though no one has ever done it
Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not making a stretch at all. she'd been fighting a long time. her brain on fire meant she was exhausted to me. she was also holding 3 of them--it would certainly have been exhausting fighting all of them. you're making excuses for them along the lines of why doesn't superman use his super speed all the time. absence of proof isn't proof of absence.
No she wasn't. They even were having breaks between the waves. They had a lot of downtime between their first encounter in UXM9 until AX11 where she makes the brain on fire comment.
AXM9 - Weren't fighting long and then Talisman saves them. they have an extended talking scene and were resting while talisman did all the work with the spell. wolverine stabs her in the back.
AX10- Starts off the team BFR the wendigo that was around and colossus holding wolverine-wendigo until they bfr him too. Then they stand around and talk some more. round 2 starts and everyone is fine as they keep bfr removing them. Kurt is working over-time. Then they stand around again, talk, attempt to heal talisman, talk. Alpha Flight arrives, they talk, then they fly to the portal. Battle at portal starts
AX11-Portal fight continues and nightcrawler keeps porting them away. Rachael mentions the last wave was 7 minutes before last, the wave before was 12 minutes before the last so because nightcrawler getting more tired (even says he is) they are returning quicker and quicker but still lots of downtime. Next wave arrives and that's when Rachael says her brain is on fire while other then nightcrawler (which makes sense) no one else seems tired or drained
Not at all your trying to say characters are going to act and do feats they have never done before.
Originally posted by leonidas
crush a wendigo? who said anything about that? the only thing needing crushing would be the brain. and yeah, his tk was capable of handling green lanterns, so IF he had it here, he should pretty easily be able to crush one brain. you already said he's vulnerable to tk as it's physical. no reason he couldn't crush the brain. like there was no reason rachel couldn't imo. it would kill the entity though so she never would. she has blocked mjolnir--pretty sure she could summon the force needed to crush a brain....
Sorry I misinterpreted what you said. you meant brain thought you meant him in general like crush into a ball. So you have examples of Grodd doing that? If you don't your point is invalid.
No reason Rachel couldn't.... unless Wendigo had some sort of magical defence which prevents the full capabilities of powers. *le gasp. Obvious answer is obvious.
Why would it kill the entity?
Originally posted by leonidas
sure if its virus wendigo. but then as common knowledge grodd would know not to get scratched and would use tp from the get-go.
Really isn't public knowledge. Most of the world doesn't even believe the wendigo is real. Even after the first few virus outbreaks no one knew about it in the amazing X-Men story
Other then speedforce grodd. I say good luck not being scratched when they have tagged speedsters as well as Nightcrawler and Wolverine.
Originally posted by leonidas
not sure what you mean here. i've already said she coudn't read their minds... but she could get a sense of them and their thoughts. i said if they used tk to crush the brain (rachel has opened a BLACK HOLE for goodness sake, and has molecular levels of tk feats) she could crush a brain. even if it healed it would ko the thing.
Exactly. All she could do was get a very vague sense of them. Which what would that imply? They have a form of telepathic resistance. She even struggled to read their minds, she made a guess on them being scared. ie. the original debate was Wendigo having telepathic defence which you were adamant was not true.
in the above section you said it would kill the wendigo, glad your backing down. So once again WHEN has Grodd EVER done anything in that regard?
Originally posted by leonidas
the usual fan-sourced material:
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Georges_Baptiste_(Earth-616)
may or may not be true, but it seems like it was a legit wendigo. /shrug
anyway, as i said--grodd has controlled animals, and magic/magical-related beings. weight of evidence would seem to suggest he was well suited to this match. /shrug
Well then I'm confident to say that is busted
Of course you would say it was a legit wendigo haha. Now why would you say it was a legit ? We even saw the same group make a fake Wendigo and not once did Wendigo actually say his name. His trademark
Not at all. Your misinterpeting a great deal of things. Wendigo is NOT an animal. Demonic spirit that possesses a human. Doesnt matter how many times you say it, he is not an animal and people more advanced the grodd could not easily do it (or at all). He affected Magical beings, sure...but without the same invulnerablity as wendigo. So once again how does that make it fact?
I do find it interesting you keep giving all the high showings for characters you are arguing (and even showings they dont even have), but refuse to allow that for Wendigo
