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Pre Ragnarok Thor Hammerless Thor

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Duo

You mean like depowered Thor or just without hammer?

Thor without hammer

Originally posted by Blindside12
Thor without hammer

In that case the Panthers win.

Thor will get a number of good cuts but the cats get KO'd or end up with broken bones.

Do we know the limits of the force the suit could take?

Originally posted by h1a8
Do we know the limits of the force the suit could take?

We know that a rhino charge hurt BP pretty good. And Thor is strong enough to hurt Hulk with his bare fists.

Define "hurt"

Thor

Originally posted by Blindside12
Define "hurt"

Knocked down, unable to get up immediately, clearly feeling pain from the hit, short of breath and need a brief period to recuperate. That's from one rhino hit. Thor can hit harder than that and can launch faster and more skillful shots.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor will get a number of good cuts but the cats get KO'd or end up with broken bones.

The Panthers are better fighters than Thor.

Also we saw Loki hurting Thor pretty easily with a knife on the Avengers tower. The Panther suit has Vibranium claws.

Thor gets butchered.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The Panthers are better fighters than Thor.

Also we saw Loki hurting Thor pretty easily with a knife on the Avengers tower. The Panther suit has Vibranium claws.

Thor gets butchered.

Loki is far stronger than the Panthers and he uses Asgardian daggers which may have magical properties. Just because Loki can cut/stab Thor doesn't automatically mean the Panthers have enough strength to replicate the feat.

Remember that both Loki and Thor have taken direct hits to the face from Cap's shield and it didn't even leave a rash.

But even if we assume that vibranium can cut Asgardians, the panther's claws are what, max 1 inch long?

Loki has stabbed Thor with both knife and spear. Hela impaled Thor with a spear. Thor was able to easily continue fighting despite these injuries. Heck Thor took a full sword blow to the face and only lost an eye, instead of you know, losing half his face. Thor's physiology is obviously very hardy, how much damage do you think 1 inch claws are going to do? Especially when Thor wears Asgardian armor.

Besides, Thor is a highly skilled fighter in his own right and he isn't that much slower than the panthers that he won't be able to land hits of his own. Just look at the Cap vs. Loki fight.

Black Widows tazers dropped Tchalla. They die within seconds.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Loki is far stronger than the Panthers and he uses Asgardian daggers which may have magical properties. Just because Loki can cut/stab Thor doesn't automatically mean the Panthers have enough strength to replicate the feat.

Remember that both Loki and Thor have taken direct hits to the face from Cap's shield and it didn't even leave a rash.

But even if we assume that vibranium can cut Asgardians, the panther's claws are what, max 1 inch long?

Loki has stabbed Thor with both knife and spear. Hela impaled Thor with a spear. Thor was able to easily continue fighting despite these injuries. Heck Thor took a full sword blow to the face and only lost an eye, instead of you know, losing half his face. Thor's physiology is obviously very hardy, how much damage do you think 1 inch claws are going to do? Especially when Thor wears Asgardian armor.

Besides, Thor is a highly skilled fighter in his own right and he isn't that much slower than the panthers that he won't be able to land hits of his own. Just look at the Cap vs. Loki fight.

Yeah, that's true. The size of the claws would be an issue. But surely they can cut him.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Black Widows tazers dropped Tchalla. They die within seconds.

Good one.

Yeah, the BP's suit seems to not be as strong as standard Vibranium.


However this is Pre-Ragnarok Thor without hammer so....no electricity.

He still has lightning.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
He still has lightning.

He does? I don't recall Thor with lightning pre ragnarok without hammer.

Thor wins

Thor had lightning with no hammer in Age of Ultron in the cave scene

Originally posted by Inhuman
Thor had lightning with no hammer in Age of Ultron in the cave scene

I'd like to take a look at that. Do you have a clip?

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Black Widows tazers dropped Tchalla. They die within seconds.

That was his CW suit, which seemed to be much less formidable than the one in his solo movie...

Thor gets butchered, cries for help from Papa Odin before dying.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That was his CW suit, which seemed to be much less formidable than the one in his solo movie...

Thor gets butchered, cries for help from Papa Odin before dying.

The only difference between that suit and his current one is that the current one is deployed from the necklace and is capable of absorbing/charging kinetic energy.

I don't recall any mention of the current suits actually being tougher.

this is one match the cats lose

Originally posted by FrothByte
The only difference between that suit and his current one is that the current one is deployed from the necklace and is capable of absorbing/charging kinetic energy.

I don't recall any mention of the current suits actually being tougher.

He's just messing with people that like Thor, it's his shtick. just run a search for his other Thor comments.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Thor had lightning with no hammer in Age of Ultron in the cave scene

This feat is invalid for this fight for numerous reasons.

1. He was dreaming and not in control of it.
2. He never used it to fight anyone in that movie.
3. He never demonstrated control over it fluidly till his final fight in Asgard.

In reply to H1 (whom I can't seem to quote):

I don't recall any mention of the rhino's being altered other than them having some armor on. And even then, I doubt they could tear up the hulls of spaceships as easily as Thor could.

And Hulk got rocked every single time Thor has hit him in h2h. You don't get rocked by a hit that doesn't hurt you.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The only difference between that suit and his current one is that the current one is deployed from the necklace and is capable of absorbing/charging kinetic energy.

I don't recall any mention of the current suits actually being tougher.

That's a major difference, isn't it.

Originally posted by FrothByte
In reply to H1 (whom I can't seem to quote):

I don't recall any mention of the rhino's being altered other than them having some armor on. And even then, I doubt they could tear up the hulls of spaceships as easily as Thor could.

And Hulk got rocked every single time Thor has hit him in h2h. You don't get rocked by a hit that doesn't hurt you.

I forgot the suit was K. Energy rechargeable!

That means Thor has even less chances of winning. For every punch Thor lands, it's gonna be that same energy bouncing at him.

The cats win in such a scenario.

Thor wins pretty effortlessly if he is serious. It took a blast many times stronger than a nuke to KO him for a little bit. There is nothing these 2 are doing to him. Neither are their kenetic charge blasts.
Thor can ragdoll them. Even in a vibranium suit they got rocked by impacts less than what Thor can dish out.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Thor wins pretty effortlessly if he is serious. It took a blast many times stronger than a nuke to KO him for a little bit. There is nothing these 2 are doing to him. Neither are their kenetic charge blasts.
Thor can ragdoll them. Even in a vibranium suit they got rocked by impacts less than what Thor can dish out.

Which blast stronger then nukes did he take?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
A pre-Ragnarok hammerless Thor, which by the way has no feats can somehow manage to defeat them?

Dont let fanaticism cloud your judgemet.

The Black Panther suit can repulse Kinetic energy which by the way Thor isnt immune to.

You also forget that the panthers arent only faster but better fighters than Thor.

Thor is at a disadvantage here.

The Cats win.

A hammerless Thor is not a depowered Thor. Thor has many feats fighting without a hammer. The first fight against Hulk for example where a simple right cross already turned Hulk a full 360.

The suits can absorb kinetic energy but they don't fully protect their wearers from impact, and they've been hurt by less hits than what Thor can dish out.

You also have zero evidence that the panthers are better fighters than Thor.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's a major difference, isn't it.

Not when you were originally talking about tasers.

Originally posted by Blindside12
Which blast stronger then nukes did he take?

Sokovia Blast.

If you droped a nuke on Sokovia, it would have not completely blown up to peices. Buildings and houses on the surface would be flattened maybe a small crater but that's it.
Originally posted by FrothByte
A hammerless Thor is not a depowered Thor. Thor has many feats fighting without a hammer. The first fight against Hulk for example where a simple right cross already turned Hulk a full 360.

The suits can absorb kinetic energy but they don't fully protect their wearers from impact, and they've been hurt by less hits than what Thor can dish out.

You also have zero evidence that the panthers are better fighters than Thor.

Also the fact that a leviathan didn't budge the Hulk, he stopped in his tracks with a punch.
Every time Thor has punched Hulk he has rocked him. Thor even sent Hulk flying and impacted into the stone walls in the arena on Sakar leaving him dazed for a few seconds. Any of the Panthers getting punch like that would make their brains and internal organs explode. Even wearing the suits.

WTF is this?

Thor stomps.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Sokovia Blast.

If you droped a nuke on Sokovia, it would have not completely blown up to peices. Buildings and houses on the surface would be flattened maybe a small crater but that's it.


Also the fact that a leviathan didn't budge the Hulk, he stopped in his tracks with a punch.
Every time Thor has punched Hulk he has rocked him. Thor even sent Hulk flying and impacted into the stone walls in the arena on Sakar leaving him dazed for a few seconds. Any of the Panthers getting punch like that would make their brains and internal organs explode. Even wearing the suits.

Wrong, a nuke would leveled Sokovia. You also said "several blasts with more power then nukes" by all means, back those up as well.

Originally posted by Blindside12
Wrong, a nuke would leveled Sokovia. You also said "several blasts with more power then nukes" by all means, back those up as well.

Show me a nuclear detonation that has blown up a city or country completely to pieces like in Boulder size pieces.

There is a huge difference from leveling a city by destroying any standing structures, buildings, houses in a few miles radius to completely blowing it up to chunks of rocks.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Thor wins pretty effortlessly if he is serious. It took a blast many times stronger than a nuke to KO him for a little bit. There is nothing these 2 are doing to him. Neither are their kenetic charge blasts.
Thor can ragdoll them. Even in a vibranium suit they got rocked by impacts less than what Thor can dish out.

The knifes from Loki seem to be pretty efficient against the Asgardian King...Which by the way aren't made of vibranium....

Again, Pre Ragnarok Thor without hammer doesn't have enough feats to make him win this. To say otherwise is mere fanaticism.

Originally posted by FrothByte
A hammerless Thor is not a depowered Thor. Thor has many feats fighting without a hammer. The first fight against Hulk for example where a simple right cross already turned Hulk a full 360.

The suits can absorb kinetic energy but they don't fully protect their wearers from impact, and they've been hurt by less hits than what Thor can dish out.

You also have zero evidence that the panthers are better fighters than Thor.

I am aware. But still, he has no feats to really give him a win. Else, bring me evidence.

You overestimate Thor. The panthers have shown to be far better fighters than Thor.

If you forgot T' Challa was easily able to fight Bucky, who by the way wouldn't struggle with shabby Shield guards.

Regular Thor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shield Agents.

One time Thor tripped and fell and BP was standing nearby.

BP was removed from a full body cast 13 months later.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Sokovia Blast.

If you droped a nuke on Sokovia, it would have not completely blown up to peices. Buildings and houses on the surface would be flattened maybe a small crater but that's it.


Also the fact that a leviathan didn't budge the Hulk, he stopped in his tracks with a punch.
Every time Thor has punched Hulk he has rocked him. Thor even sent Hulk flying and impacted into the stone walls in the arena on Sakar leaving him dazed for a few seconds. Any of the Panthers getting punch like that would make their brains and internal organs explode. Even wearing the suits.

WHAAATTTTT!!!!!?

Do you know what a nuke is right? Either way, what does Sokovia's destruction have to do with a hammerless Thor? You are clearly confused.

Okay, it seems you didn't got the memo. This is a pre-ragnarok Thor WITHOUT A HAMMER. And in no way is Thor stronger than Hulk.

Nukes don't actually destroy cities. It's not like a DBZ ki blast.

Lets put the cards on the table, since it seems all of you are just bringing fairy tales up here!

Thor (No hammer and Pre Ragnarok):

- He has no feats to really know his potential.
-He is not as good as a fighter as T'Challa or Killmonger
- Is being OUTNUMBERED.

Panthers:

-Vibranium suits which can repulse KE.
- Vibranium claws, which by the way are harder than Loki's knifes.
-Are known elite fighters
- Are arguably faster and more agile.

Freak, it's pretty obvious whose in disadvantage here


I know you guys are enormous Thor lovers, but a hammerless P-R Thor isn't the same!

Originally posted by Surtur
Nukes don't actually destroy cities. It's not like a DBZ ki blast.

But what does Sokovia have to do with all of this!?

The Destruction of Sokovia was done by a Thor with MJOLNIR! Thor doesn't have Mjolnir here, nor has God-mode.

So again, i don't see the connection.

Okay cards on the table, they don't have the damage output needed to KO Thor meanwhile Thor does have the damage output needed to defeat them.

Originally posted by ares834
WTF is this?

Thor stomps.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Okay cards on the table, they don't have the damage output needed to KO Thor meanwhile Thor does have the damage output needed to defeat them.

Can Vibranium claws affect Thor?

Possibly, just not enough to win the fight, imo.

Originally posted by Blindside12
Can Vibranium claws affect Thor?

Why shouldnt they? Loki's knifes can, and Vibranium is the strobgest metal in the MCU as per Black Panther.

Loki's magical knives being able to affect Thor isn't proof that Panthers vibranium claws can. You actually have to provide evidence of his claws damaging something on Thor's durability level.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Why shouldnt they? Loki's knifes can, and Vibranium is the strobgest metal in the MCU as per Black Panther.

No, strongest metal on earth. BP has never been to Asgard or the nine realms.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
WHAAATTTTT!!!!!?

Do you know what a nuke is right? Either way, what does Sokovia's destruction have to do with a hammerless Thor?

Let me simplify it for you.

Thor was in the middle of the blast that reduced Sokovia to rubble.
Thor was not killed by this, just KO'ed for a bit. Sokovia was reduced to rubble by the blast.
In order for a blast to reduce a piece of land the size a city or larger, a nuke wont be enough.
Look at nuclear bomb destruction in the past detonations. Hiroshima, Nagasaki were leveled on the surface. Most buildings, houses, structures were destroyed and burned. Other than that the land was ok besides radiation.
Look at detonations by more powerful nukes on small islands on the pacific. The island didnt disappear from the face of the earth. It wasn't in chunks on the bottom of the ocean after the blast. The island is still there, besides the surface being gone and radiation all around.
In the Sokovia blast , Sokovia was gone not just the surface. Sokovia was peices of rocks now.

You seen those documentaries on the Discovery channel or Nat Geo about how to deal with city sized asteroids right?
Even if we drill into the asteroid and put in a nuke inside , the asteroid wont blow up to rubble. It will break up into 3-5 medium sized pieces instead of the huge city sized asteroid. The asteroid wont be blown into pieces of rocks with just a nuke.

So the blast that reduced Sokovia to rubble had to be more powerful that a standard nuke. And Thor was right in the middle of the blast.

Get it or are you still confused?


Originally posted by Josh_Alexander Okay, it seems you didn't got the memo. This is a pre-ragnarok Thor WITHOUT A HAMMER. And in no way is Thor stronger than Hulk.

I never said Thor was stronger than the Hulk. Thor is still strong, probably in the same ball park. Even if he is not as strong he is strong enough to rock Hulk with his punches.

Also what does this being Pre-Ragnarok Thor have to do with this? You think Thor is a regular dude if he isnt in lightning god of thunder Thor mode? Or if he has no hammer he is weak?
Pre- Ragnarok Thor survived the blast I noted no problem. Also fought Hulk in the hellcarrier no hammer and was affecting Hulk with his punches and kicks.

The Panthers have no chance of winning. The most they will do is scratch up Thor. This is even if Vibranium cuts Thor at all.
And if they get close enough to scratch Thor they will the punched to death, Tossed, break their necks with a choke hold, or rag-dolled like Hulk did Loki.

Thor stomps?

In Thor Ragnarok, Hela was turning him into a pincushion and he kept on trucking. Even Loki stabbing him with his daggers or gungnir didn't stop him. He has crazy resistance to damage. His blunt/energy force damage is arguably the best in the current Movie Universe.

They are incapable of putting him down. He on the other hand, can one-shot them...

Wouldn't a better fight be "depowered-Thor vs no heart herb Black Panther/Killmonger"?

Thor is still stronger than both of them and even with kinetic energy redirection, Black Panther and Killmonger can only do so much before Thor can take them out.

Then again when everyone in BP had vibranium tech to use against the suits its hard to gauge how raw physical force would do. Also wasn't the rhino wearing vibranium armor too?

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Wouldn't a better fight be "depowered-Thor vs no heart herb Black Panther/Killmonger"?

Thor is still stronger than both of them and even with kinetic energy redirection, Black Panther and Killmonger can only do so much before Thor can take them out.

Then again when everyone in BP had vibranium tech to use against the suits its hard to gauge how raw physical force would do. Also wasn't the rhino wearing vibranium armor too?

I already made a depowered Thor vs. depowered T'Challa thread.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Loki's magical knives being able to affect Thor isn't proof that Panthers vibranium claws can. You actually have to provide evidence of his claws damaging something on Thor's durability level.

No i dont.

Vibranium is the strongest metal in the MCU, and Loki's knifes can penetrate Thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor stomps?

In Thor Ragnarok, Hela was turning him into a pincushion and he kept on trucking. Even Loki stabbing him with his daggers or gungnir didn't stop him. He has crazy resistance to damage. His blunt/energy force damage is arguably the best in the current Movie Universe.

They are incapable of putting him down. He on the other hand, can one-shot them...

Irrelevant comment as this pertains to a PRE RAGNAROK Thor.

I remember Thor grumping on the Stark Tower after Loki stabb him. The Panthers wont stabb him once!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No i dont.

Vibranium is the strongest metal in the MCU, and Loki's knifes can penetrate Thor.

Yes, you do.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Let me simplify it for you.

Thor was in the middle of the blast that reduced Sokovia to rubble.
Thor was not killed by this, just KO'ed for a bit. Sokovia was reduced to rubble by the blast.
In order for a blast to reduce a piece of land the size a city or larger, a nuke wont be enough.
Look at nuclear bomb destruction in the past detonations. Hiroshima, Nagasaki were leveled on the surface. Most buildings, houses, structures were destroyed and burned. Other than that the land was ok besides radiation.
Look at detonations by more powerful nukes on small islands on the pacific. The island didnt disappear from the face of the earth. It wasn't in chunks on the bottom of the ocean after the blast. The island is still there, besides the surface being gone and radiation all around.
In the Sokovia blast , Sokovia was gone not just the surface. Sokovia was peices of rocks now.

You seen those documentaries on the Discovery channel or Nat Geo about how to deal with city sized asteroids right?
Even if we drill into the asteroid and put in a nuke inside , the asteroid wont blow up to rubble. It will break up into 3-5 medium sized pieces instead of the huge city sized asteroid. The asteroid wont be blown into pieces of rocks with just a nuke.

So the blast that reduced Sokovia to rubble had to be more powerful that a standard nuke. And Thor was right in the middle of the blast.

Get it or are you still confused?




I never said Thor was stronger than the Hulk. Thor is still strong, probably in the same ball park. Even if he is not as strong he is strong enough to rock Hulk with his punches.

Also what does this being Pre-Ragnarok Thor have to do with this? You think Thor is a regular dude if he isnt in lightning god of thunder Thor mode? Or if he has no hammer he is weak?
Pre- Ragnarok Thor survived the blast I noted no problem. Also fought Hulk in the hellcarrier no hammer and was affecting Hulk with his punches and kicks.

The Panthers have no chance of winning. The most they will do is scratch up Thor. This is even if Vibranium cuts Thor at all.
And if they get close enough to scratch Thor they will the punched to death, Tossed, break their necks with a choke hold, or rag-dolled like Hulk did Loki.

I knew thats what you'd say.

And clearly, you are misunderstanding the whole scene.

1. Thor is the God of Thunder: Would you mind pay attention what destroyed the city? Wasnt it Thor's own lightning?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mf6hAatHQi0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m8fuqhGS-qc

Both in the Empire States and in Asgard Thor received powerful blasts from lightning with 0 damage. But again, those are his attacks and his power.

2. Mjolnir works as an Energy shield: You do realize that Mjolnir actually protects Thor from Energy blasts right?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V3Z8kMXRpSI

Min 3:29:

Thor clearly repels Energy blasts with his hammer.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2_rv1EZ3rv0

Min 1:10:

Mjolnir clearly blocked Surtur's attack.

Now, what was Thor holding between him and the explosion of Sokovia?

Thor isnt immune to energy attacks. Thor has a high resistance but enough energy should do with him.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, you do.

Trolling wont aid you Silent. Vib is the strongest metal whilst Loki's knife arent Vib.

Vib would slice through.

Loki's knives are magical.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Loki's knives are magical.

Magical yet physical manifestations. Isn't like they are energy projections.

Magic knives.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No i dont.

Vibranium is the strongest metal in the MCU, and Loki's knifes can penetrate Thor.

You do realize that kilmonger is not as strong as Loki right?

Prove that vibranium weapons are stronger than Asgardian weapons? Especislly magically imbued weapons.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You do realize that kilmonger is not as strong as Loki right?

Prove that vibranium weapons are stronger than Asgardian weapons?

Magical Asgardian weapons.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You do realize that kilmonger is not as strong as Loki right?

Prove that vibranium weapons are stronger than Asgardian weapons? Especislly magically imbued weapons.

No, but there is no evidence that you need to be Loki's strong to be able to cut Thor. I don't recall reading anything that only Loki can cut Thor.

What?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No, but there is no evidence that you need to be Loki's strong to be able to cut Thor. I don't recall reading anything that only Loki can cut Thor.

What?

So show me someone weaker than Loki cutting Thor.

Prove that vibranium weapons are stronger than Asgardian weapons.

That's not the way it works, if you want to claim that vibranium can replicate Loki's feat. you have to prove it.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So show me someone weaker than Loki cutting Thor.

Prove that vibranium weapons are stronger than Asgardian weapons.

There has been no instance, yet that doesn't mean only Loki can do so. That's a fallacy.

Did you watch the beginning of Black Panther? MCU considers Vibranium the strongest metal. Asgard weapons aren't vibranium, or atleast hasn't been mentioned.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That's not the way it works, if you want to claim that vibranium can replicate Loki's feat. you have to prove it.

Actually it's the other way around.

If you want to claim that your character is immune to something you have to prove it.

I've already proven that Thor can be stabb by a weapon less strong than Vibranium. If you wan't to claim that Thor is immune to stabs, then prove it.

I never said Thor was immune, you are however saying that it's a given. thus the burden is on you. and no. being stabbed by a magical asgardian knife isn't proof that vibranium claws would cut Thor.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I never said Thor was immune, you are however saying that it's a given. thus the burden is on you. and no. being stabbed by a magical asgardian knife isn't proof that vibranium claws would cut Thor.

You can't attribute powers to a character without feats.

You are claiming that Thor is immune to Vibranium weapons so PROVE IT!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You can't attribute powers to a character without feats.

You are claiming that Thor is immune to Vibranium weapons so PROVE IT!

Here is proof that Josh is a liar.

Originally posted by Blindside12
Can Vibranium claws affect Thor?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Possibly, just not enough to win the fight, imo.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Here is proof that Josh is a liar.

So why are you asking me to prove that Vib can hurt him, when you yourself are claiming that it can?

Originally posted by Silent Master
That's not the way it works, if you want to claim that vibranium can replicate Loki's feat. you have to prove it.

The prove that you are a troll not worthy of debating with.

Consider yourself ignored SM.

I see, you don't know what the word possible means.

BTW, Consider yourself to be a proven liar.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
There has been no instance, yet that doesn't mean only Loki can do so. That's a fallacy.

Did you watch the beginning of Black Panther? MCU considers Vibranium the strongest metal. Asgard weapons aren't vibranium, or atleast hasn't been mentioned.

Quote the actual statement that says vibranium is the strongest metal in the MCU. Otherwise you're just inventing stuff.

The problem with using the "its from Asgard" is that it is a no limits fallacy. Just because its from Asgard doesn't mean its always automatically superior to anything in the other nine realms.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Actually it's the other way around.

If you want to claim that your character is immune to something you have to prove it.

I've already proven that Thor can be stabb by a weapon less strong than Vibranium. If you wan't to claim that Thor is immune to stabs, then prove it.

Both Loki and Thor have taken a full hit to the face with Cap's shield and didn't even get a rash from it. Thor didn't do anything more than blink. Yet this shield is 1. made of vibranium 2. has been shown to easily cut through cement and steel and 3. was thrown by someone of comparable strength to the panthers.

Also consider that every time an Asgardian has been shot at they have proven to be bulletproof, thus obviously showing that they have a high degree of penetration durability. In AoS, an Asgardian farmer caught a tactical knife by the blade and crumpled it in his hand. Again, proving that Asgardian physiology is highly resistant to man-made weaponry.

So if you want to claim that the panthers' claws can cut through Thor as easily as Loki's knife does, onus is on you to prove that. We know that the panthers are nowhere near as strong as Loki which is a big factor and we know that every weapons Loki has used to stab Thor were magically imbued Asgardian weapons... and it only makes sense that Asgardian weapons would be capable of taking out Asgardians.

Then there's also the fact that even after getting stabbed by Loki, Thor continued to fight on without issues. And like I said, the claws are only about an inch long, far shorter than Loki's knives or Gungir. Even if the claws can penetrate Thor's armor + hide, all they'll do is give him flesh wounds.

Originally posted by Blindside12
The problem with using the "its from Asgard" is that it is a no limits fallacy. Just because its from Asgard doesn't mean its always automatically superior to anything in the other nine realms.

No, it doesn't make it superior, but that same logic also applies to Vibranium. It's the strongest metal known to humankind but how does it compare to the metals of other realms or planets?

Asgardian weapons have been proven to be effective against Asgardians and other beings of similar toughness. On the other hand, we have no feats from Vibranium weapons that show them being as effective against beings as tough as Asgardians.

So no, it's not a no limits fallacy, because as of the moment Asgardian weapons have better piercing feats than Vibranium weapons.

Originally posted by Blindside12
The problem with using the "its from Asgard" is that it is a no limits fallacy. Just because its from Asgard doesn't mean its always automatically superior to anything in the other nine realms.

You don't appear to understand the argument being made or what constitutes a no limits fallacy.

Originally posted by FrothByte
No, it doesn't make it superior, but that same logic also applies to Vibranium. It's the strongest metal known to humankind but how does it compare to the metals of other realms or planets?

Asgardian weapons have been proven to be effective against Asgardians and other beings of similar toughness. On the other hand, we have no feats from Vibranium weapons that show them being as effective against beings as tough as Asgardians.

So no, it's not a no limits fallacy. Because as far as feats go, Asgardian melee weapons > Vibranium melee weapons.

But that is still a no limits fallacy ie "Vibranium hasnt even been shown to hurt an Asgardian therefore it cant."

I agree with SM that they could hurt an Asgardian. To what degree its impossible to assume that because there are no direct feats of it happening.

Originally posted by Blindside12
But that is still a no limits fallacy ie "Vibranium hasnt even been shown to hurt an Asgardian therefore it cant."

I agree with SM that they could hurt an Asgardian. To what degree its impossible to assume that because there are no direct feats of it happening.

Err no, that's not a no limits fallacy. A no limits fallacy would be saying that vibranium can cut any being regardless of how tough they are just because its vibranium.

Asgardian weapons have been shown to pierce beings that are normally immune to human-made melee weapons. Vibranium doesn't have feats to match. All I'm saying is Asgardian weapons have better feats than Vibranium weapons. That's not a no-limits fallacy.

Now just to be clear, I'm not saying that vibranium can't actually pierce Asgardian hide, I'm just pointing out that just because something can be done with an Asgardian magical dagger, it doesn't mean that feat can easily be replicated with a vibranium claw.

So what about Adamantium, since its from Space, not earth?

Originally posted by Blindside12
So what about Adamantium, since its from Space, not earth?

Adamantium is not yet part of the MCU, so it's irrelevant to this discussion at the moment. And vibranium is from outer-space.

"Vibranium is a fictional metal appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. It is most commonly known as one of the materials used to construct Captain America's shield, and it is also noted for its connection to Black Panther, as his suit is made from vibranium and is found in his native homeland of Wakanda (a fictional country in Africa)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibranium

So a meteor crashed there?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Both Loki and Thor have taken a full hit to the face with Cap's shield and didn't even get a rash from it. Thor didn't do anything more than blink. Yet this shield is 1. made of vibranium 2. has been shown to easily cut through cement and steel and 3. was thrown by someone of comparable strength to the panthers.

Also consider that every time an Asgardian has been shot at they have proven to be bulletproof, thus obviously showing that they have a high degree of penetration durability. In AoS, an Asgardian farmer caught a tactical knife by the blade and crumpled it in his hand. Again, proving that Asgardian physiology is highly resistant to man-made weaponry.

So if you want to claim that the panthers' claws can cut through Thor as easily as Loki's knife does, onus is on you to prove that. We know that the panthers are nowhere near as strong as Loki which is a big factor and we know that every weapons Loki has used to stab Thor were magically imbued Asgardian weapons... and it only makes sense that Asgardian weapons would be capable of taking out Asgardians.

Then there's also the fact that even after getting stabbed by Loki, Thor continued to fight on without issues. And like I said, the claws are only about an inch long, far shorter than Loki's knives or Gungir. Even if the claws can penetrate Thor's armor + hide, all they'll do is give him flesh wounds.

The shield comparisson is irrelevant!

In no way is a shield comparable to a knife/claw!

A shield can cut yes, but the amount of force required is much much much higher.

Again, Loki's knife was able to pierce him with no effort.

Why shouldnt T'Challa or Killmonger with vibranium claws be able to do so? There is no actual feat that prevents them from doing so. Else give me one.

Originally posted by Blindside12
"Vibranium is a fictional metal appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. It is most commonly known as one of the materials used to construct Captain America's shield, and it is also noted for its connection to Black Panther, as his suit is made from vibranium and is found in his native homeland of Wakanda (a fictional country in Africa)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibranium

So a meteor crashed there?

Vibranium is an Alien metal. But yes it can be found in Africa/Wakanda.

Loki's magical knife, it cutting Thor doesn't mean that vibranium can.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The shield comparisson is irrelevant!

In no way is a shield comparable to a knife/claw!

A shield can cut yes, but the amount of force required is much much much higher.

Again, Loki's knife was able to pierce him with no effort.

Why shouldnt T'Challa or Killmonger with vibranium claws be able to do so? There is no actual feat that prevents them from doing so. Else give me one.

1. Loki is far stronger than the panthers. Piercing ability is heavily dependent on the force behind it. You can't use Loki piercing Thor as proof the panthers can do it because they're not as strong as Loki. Are you too stupid to understand this? It's like saying a toddler can cut a rhino with a knife just because an adult can cut a rhino with a knife.

2. Loki uses magically imbued Asgardian daggers. The Panthers are using vibranium claws. They are not using the same weaponry nor the same technology. The feats from one weapon are not transferable to the other.

3. A thrown projectile normally hits with more force than that same projectile being driven by hand. Cap's shield also has more mass than the panther claws. In short, yes the shield is not as sharp as the claws but it also hits with more force when thrown as compared to a claw slash.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I knew thats what you'd say.

And clearly, you are misunderstanding the whole scene.

1. Thor is the God of Thunder: Would you mind pay attention what destroyed the city? Wasnt it Thor's own lightning?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mf6hAatHQi0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m8fuqhGS-qc

Both in the Empire States and in Asgard Thor received powerful blasts from lightning with 0 damage. But again, those are his attacks and his power.


Im not here to discuss what destroyed Sokovia. If it was the strike from Thor, his lightning , the Vibranium machine, a combo of all 3, who cares, thats not the point.

The point is that there was an explosion that reduced Sokovia to rubble. Thor was right in the middle of that blast and survived.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander

2. Mjolnir works as an Energy shield: You do realize that Mjolnir actually protects Thor from Energy blasts right?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V3Z8kMXRpSI

Min 3:29:

Thor clearly repels Energy blasts with his hammer.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2_rv1EZ3rv0

Min 1:10:

Mjolnir clearly blocked Surtur's attack.

Now, what was Thor holding between him and the explosion of Sokovia?

Thor isnt immune to energy attacks. Thor has a high resistance but enough energy should do with him.

The hammer doesn't work as an energy shield all around Thor . If you have proof then post it.
Every time Thor has blocked an attack he has aim to where the attack is coming at him from. The hammer doesnt give him an 360 degree full body shield around Thor.
The Sokovia blast was all around Thor, not just in front of his hammer. Plus Thor didn't have the hammer up trying to block the blast. Even of he did it wouldn't have shielded him from the full blast that was all around him.

To think that Thor blocked the blast of that magnitude from every angle with his hammer is nonsense.

Anyhow, to simplify this further.

Even Hulk pounding Thor on the ground for a while didnt KO Thor.
Neither of the Panthers have enough physical force to beat Thor that way.
If they try to beat him with cutting or scratching him they will be close enough for Thor to 1 shot them.
Superficial wounds wont keep Thor from killing these 2 when they get close, when more powerful foes(than these 2) wounding Thor haven't slowed him down before.

This is a spite thread. Thor 10/10

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Loki is far stronger than the panthers. Piercing ability is heavily dependent on the force behind it. You can't use Loki piercing Thor as proof the panthers can do it because they're not as strong as Loki. Are you too stupid to understand this? It's like saying a toddler can cut a rhino with a knife just because an adult can cut a rhino with a knife.

2. Loki uses magically imbued Asgardian daggers. The Panthers are using vibranium claws. They are not using the same weaponry nor the same technology. The feats from one weapon are not transferable to the other.

3. A thrown projectile normally hits with more force than that same projectile being driven by hand. Cap's shield also has more mass than the panther claws. In short, yes the shield is not as sharp as the claws but it also hits with more force when thrown as compared to a claw slash.

1. Again, there is nothing to suggest that only Loki can penetrate Thor. Now if you have evidence of such then bring them on board!

2. AGAIN! There is no evidence to suggest that only Asgardian Daggers can do so. The fact is this: Vibranium is the strongest metal in the MCU (Asgard included), WHICH BY LOGIC should be enough to suggest that Vibranium claws can cut Thor. Are you so stupid as to understand this?

3. You can't compare a bullet with a Vibranium weapon! WTH! That's right, more mass and more surface area which makes it more difficult to cut things. It's basic physics knowledge!

Originally posted by Inhuman
Im not here to discuss what destroyed Sokovia. If it was the strike from Thor, his lightning , the Vibranium machine, a combo of all 3, who cares, thats not the point.

The point is that there was an explosion that reduced Sokovia to rubble. Thor was right in the middle of that blast and survived.



The hammer doesn't work as an energy shield all around Thor . If you have proof then post it.
Every time Thor has blocked an attack he has aim to where the attack is coming at him from. The hammer doesnt give him an 360 degree full body shield around Thor.
The Sokovia blast was all around Thor, not just in front of his hammer. Plus Thor didn't have the hammer up trying to block the blast. Even of he did it wouldn't have shielded him from the full blast that was all around him.

To think that Thor blocked the blast of that magnitude from every angle with his hammer is nonsense.

Anyhow, to simplify this further.

Even Hulk pounding Thor on the ground for a while didnt KO Thor.
Neither of the Panthers have enough physical force to beat Thor that way.
If they try to beat him with cutting or scratching him they will be close enough for Thor to 1 shot them.
Superficial wounds wont keep Thor from killing these 2 when they get close, when more powerful foes(than these 2) wounding Thor haven't slowed him down before.

This is a spite thread. Thor 10/10

Did you read what i wrote?



The attack is coming from Thor and he has the Hammer between him and the blast

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V3Z8kMXRpSI

OMG!!!!!!


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V3Z8kMXRpSI


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2_rv1EZ3rv0

WOULD YOU CARE TO LOOK AT THE VIDEOS?

It's more than evident that Mjolnir protects Thor from energy attacks, to say otherwise is being biased!

It's lovable to see how biased you guys become when the topic concerns Thor.

Thor loses this battle.

He is outnumbered, and has neither hammer nor God Mode to make a difference.

If you wan't to say otherwise, bring me Pre Ragnarok Hammerless feats from Thor to debate, not just your opinions!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1. Again, there is nothing to suggest that only Luki can penetrate Thor. Now if you have evidence of such then bring them on board!

2. AGAIN! There is no evidence to suggest that only Asgardian Daggers can do so. The fact is this: Vibranium is the strongest metal in the MCU (Asgard included), WHICH BY LOGIC should be enough to suggest that Vibranium claws can cut Thor. Are you so stupid as to understand this?

3. You can't compare a bullet with a Vibranium weapon! WTH! That's right, more mass and more surface area which makes it more difficult to cut things. It's basic physics knowledge!

1. Correct, it's not only Loki who can cut Thor. It would be anyone of Loki's strength range or over. If you want to claim that people of lesser strength than Loki can cut Thor up then you have to prove it. I already proved to you that a thrown vibranium shield didn't even so much as leave a red line on Thor's face. Ball is in your court, I provided my proof, time you backed up your words with proof.

1.5 Are you saying that strength doesn't play a factor in whether a weapon can cut/stab through a target?

2. I keep asking you to provide a quote that says Vibranium is the strongest metal in the MCU... you keep dodging. There's nothing to suggest that Vibranium claws can replicate feats made by Asgardian magical daggers. If you want to claim they are then where is the proof?

3. Cap's shield has cut through cement and steel. If you want to claim that the claws can cut better then please provide proof. Remember that a claw tip is not sharpened like a razor. They're pointed but they don't have a sharpened edge, so you can't really claim that the claws are sharper than Cap's shield. And like I said, how serious an injury do you think 1-inch claws are going to do against Thor?

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Correct, it's not only Loki who can cut Thor. It would be anyone of Loki's strength range or over. If you want to claim that people of lesser strength than Loki can cut Thor up then you have to prove it. I already proved to you that a thrown vibranium shield didn't even so much as leave a red line on Thor's face. Ball is in your court, I provided my proof, time you backed up your words with proof.

1.5 Are you saying that strength doesn't play a factor in whether a weapon can cut/stab through a target?

2. I keep asking you to provide a quote that says Vibranium is the strongest metal in the MCU... you keep dodging. There's nothing to suggest that Vibranium claws can replicate feats made by Asgardian magical daggers. If you want to claim they are then where is the proof?

3. Cap's shield has cut through cement and steel. If you want to claim that the claws can cut better then please provide proof. Remember that a claw tip is not sharpened like a razor. They're pointed but they don't have a sharpened edge, so you can't really claim that the claws are sharper than Cap's shield. And like I said, how serious an injury do you think 1-inch claws are going to do against Thor?

1. What evidence you have of such? The movie never claimed so! Nor is there a feat of a weaker person than Loki not being able to cut through Thor. Again, that is a fallacy. The shield feat is irrelevant, a shield doesn't equal a knife.

1.5 No, am not saying that, am saying Loki was able to cut him, and that there is no evidence to suggest that it requires Loki's strength to do so. Period.


2. Okay, it seems evident that you haven't watch Black Panther or are just deciding to obmit the first minutes of the movie. Or are you trolling? Which one is it Froth?

3. If you can't grasp the concept of a Knife being a better cutting tool than a Shield, then evidently there is something wrong with you. By logic, 1 inch wounds as maximum cutting dept, but it requires less than an Inch slice to cut through a vital vein.

Again Froth. Do you have Hammerless Thor feats to give him an advantage here?

Yes or No?

If no, then it's evident where the balance of this battle lies (That is ofcourse if you are not being biased)

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1. What evidence you have of such? The movie never claimed so! Nor is there a feat of a weaker person than Loki not being able to cut through Thor. Again, that is a fallacy. The shield feat is irrelevant, a shield doesn't equal a knife.

1.5 No, am not saying that, am saying Loki was able to cut him, and that there is no evidence to suggest that it requires Loki's strength to do so. Period.


2. Okay, it seems evident that you haven't watch Black Panther or are just deciding to obmit the first minutes of the movie. Or are you trolling? Which one is it Froth?

3. If you can't grasp the concept of a Knife being a better cutting tool than a Shield, then evidently there is something wrong with you. By logic, 1 inch wounds as maximum cutting dept, but it requires less than an Inch slice to cut through a vital vein.

Again Froth. Do you have Hammerless Thor feats to give him an advantage here?

Yes or No?

If no, then it's evident where the balance of this battle lies (That is ofcourse if you are not being biased)

1. So you think just because an adult with a knife can stab through a rhino then a toddler with the same knife can replicate the feat? This is common sense dude. When a very strong person is able to accomplish a physical feat, it would be stupid to think that weaker people can replicate it. Again, I've provided my proof regarding Cap's shield. You have provided ZERO proof.

2. Oh I watched Black Panther alright. They mentioned that vibranium was the strongest metal on Earth. On. Earth. Not in the entire universe, not in the entire 9 realms, not in the entire MCU. Do you understand the difference or do I have to dumb it down for you some more?

3. Why are you bringing up knives? We're talking about claws, not knives. And claws are not sharpened the same way knives are. So far Black Panther's claws have no feats of cutting that Cap's shield can't replicate. Again, you make lots of claims but never provide proof.


I have multiple feats of hammerless Thor. Many have already been mentioned. But why should I bother listing them down when you don't bother providing your own proof?

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. So you think just because an adult with a knife can stab through a rhino then a toddler with the same knife can replicate the feat? This is common sense dude. When a very strong person is able to accomplish a physical feat, it would be stupid to think that weaker people can replicate it. Again, I've provided my proof regarding Cap's shield. You have provided ZERO proof.

2. Oh I watched Black Panther alright. They mentioned that vibranium was the strongest metal on Earth. On. Earth. Not in the entire universe, not in the entire 9 realms, not in the entire MCU. Do you understand the difference or do I have to dumb it down for you some more?

3. Why are you bringing up knives? We're talking about claws, not knives. And claws are not sharpened the same way knives are. So far Black Panther's claws have no feats of cutting that Cap's shield can't replicate. Again, you make lots of claims but never provide proof.


I have multiple feats of hammerless Thor. Many have already been mentioned. But why should I bother listing them down when you don't bother providing your own proof?

I didnt saw Loki struggling to stab through Thor. So, you cant say a person needs to equal Loki's strength to do so.

The movie was explicit to say that it was the strongest metal. I dobt recall the movie limiting the metal to Earth. And yet there is no evidence neither to claim Asgardian metal superior!

3. Clearly a Claw reassembles more to a knife than to a Shield. So its valid.

Bahahahaha! No you havent! WTH!? Which feats, let me see them!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I didnt saw Loki struggling to stab through Thor. So, you cant say a person needs to equal Loki's strength to do so.

The movie was explicit to say that it was the strongest metal. I dobt recall the movie limiting the metal to Earth. And yet there is no evidence neither to claim Asgardian metal superior!

3. Clearly a Claw reassembles more to a knife than to a Shield. So its valid.

Bahahahaha! No you havent! WTH!? Which feats, let me see them!

1. Following your logic, are you going to say that the panthers can tank a full kick from Cap without moving just because Loki did so?

2. The person talking in the beginning of the movie was Wakandan, describing their culture's history. That person has not traveled the universe or the 9 realms to enable him to compare vibranium to other metals there. If my memory serves me right, I believe the description of vibranium is "strongest metal known to man". So do you now agree that vibranium has no proof of being stronger than Asgardian weaponry?

3. I guess you missed my point entirely, about how claws don't have a razor edge like knives do.


I'm still waiting for you to provide any sort of proof to back up your numerous claims.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Following your logic, are you going to say that the panthers can tank a full kick from Cap without moving just because Loki did so?

2. The person talking in the beginning of the movie was Wakandan, describing their culture's history. That person has not traveled the universe or the 9 realms to enable him to compare vibranium to other metals there. If my memory serves me right, I believe the description of vibranium is "strongest metal known to man". So do you now agree that vibranium has no proof of being stronger than Asgardian weaponry?

3. I guess you missed my point entirely, about how claws don't have a razor edge like knives do.


I'm still waiting for you to provide any sort of proof to back up your numerous claims.

1. Receiving damage and dealing damage is a completely different thing. You can't compare them.

2. I don't have the movie's intro words completely fresh to argue. So, I guess this point isn't debatable.

Well, based on feats Vibranium has proven to be the strongest MCU Metal. Asgardian metal have no feats to contest Vibranium.

3. The razor of a blade is meant to slice not stab.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Lets put the cards on the table, since it seems all of you are just bringing fairy tales up here!

Thor (No hammer and Pre Ragnarok):

- He has no feats to really know his potential.
-He is not as good as a fighter as T'Challa or Killmonger
- Is being OUTNUMBERED.

Panthers:

-Vibranium suits which can repulse KE.
- Vibranium claws, which by the way are harder than Loki's knifes.
-Are known elite fighters
- Are arguably faster and more agile.

Freak, it's pretty obvious whose in disadvantage here


I know you guys are enormous Thor lovers, but a hammerless P-R Thor isn't the same!

These are my arguments Froth, all of which i can back with evidence.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1. Receiving damage and dealing damage is a completely different thing. You can't compare them.

2. I don't have the movie's intro words completely fresh to argue. So, I guess this point isn't debatable.

Well, based on feats Vibranium has proven to be the strongest MCU Metal. Asgardian metal have no feats to contest Vibranium.

3. The razor of a blade is meant to slice not stab.

1. Yet strength plays a very big factor in both of them, why are you disregarding strength only in one?

2. You just don't want to admit it. The person talking in the beginning is Wakandan, therefore it doesn't matter what exact words he uses, fact is he can only be referring to Earth because he's never been outside of Earth to compare metals with other planets and races. Bottom line, there's no proof that vibranium weapons are actually stronger than Asgardian weapons. As per feats, Asgardian weapons have been shown to easily injure Asgardians, Dark Elves, Kursed ones and Frost Giants. What's the most durable thing vibranium weapons have taken on?

3. So are you saying that you think the panthers will only stab at Thor? That's fair. He'll get about a half an inch of steel stabbed into him. You really think that's going to stop Thor?

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Yet strength plays a very big factor in both of them, why are you disregarding strength only in one?

2. You just don't want to admit it. The person talking in the beginning is Wakandan, therefore it doesn't matter what exact words he uses, fact is he can only be referring to Earth because he's never been outside of Earth to compare metals with other planets and races. Bottom line, there's no proof that vibranium weapons are actually stronger than Asgardian weapons. As per feats, Asgardian weapons have been shown to easily injure Asgardians, Dark Elves, Kursed ones and Frost Giants. What's the most durable thing vibranium weapons have taken on?

3. So are you saying that you think the panthers will only stab at Thor? That's fair. He'll get about a half an inch of steel stabbed into him. You really think that's going to stop Thor?

1. If Loki would have struggled to penetrate Thor's skin THEN AND ONLY THEN you would have point. However the knife went inside like if it was butter! So you really can't say it requires an impressive or Loki's level of strength to perform the feat.

So again, you don't have a valid point Froth.

2. I don't recall. Otherwise, i would admit my mistake Froth. And still, Vibranium has better feats than Asgardian metal.

3. How about a stab in the neck? Or multiple stabs everywhere? The Panthers are clearly faster.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Im not here to discuss what destroyed Sokovia. If it was the strike from Thor, his lightning , the Vibranium machine, a combo of all 3, who cares, thats not the point.

The point is that there was an explosion that reduced Sokovia to rubble. Thor was right in the middle of that blast and survived.



The hammer doesn't work as an energy shield all around Thor . If you have proof then post it.
Every time Thor has blocked an attack he has aim to where the attack is coming at him from. The hammer doesnt give him an 360 degree full body shield around Thor.
The Sokovia blast was all around Thor, not just in front of his hammer. Plus Thor didn't have the hammer up trying to block the blast. Even of he did it wouldn't have shielded him from the full blast that was all around him.

To think that Thor blocked the blast of that magnitude from every angle with his hammer is nonsense.

Anyhow, to simplify this further.

Even Hulk pounding Thor on the ground for a while didnt KO Thor.
Neither of the Panthers have enough physical force to beat Thor that way.
If they try to beat him with cutting or scratching him they will be close enough for Thor to 1 shot them.
Superficial wounds wont keep Thor from killing these 2 when they get close, when more powerful foes(than these 2) wounding Thor haven't slowed him down before.

This is a spite thread. Thor 10/10

Josh is just a massively biased fanboy. the guy actually claimed movie Juggernaut's punches were comparable to Thor's charged hammer shots.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1. If Loki would have struggled to penetrate Thor's skin THEN AND ONLY THEN you would have point. However the knife went inside like if it was butter! So you really can't say it requires an impressive or Loki's level of strength to perform the feat.

So again, you don't have a valid point Froth.

2. I don't recall. Otherwise, i would admit my mistake Froth. And still, Vibranium has better feats than Asgardian metal.

3. How about a stab in the neck? Or multiple stabs everywhere? The Panthers are clearly faster.

1. Why would Loki need to struggle? He's in Thor's strength range. He wouldn't have trouble stabbing Thor in much the same way a human adult wouldn't struggle stabbing another human adult. That doesn't mean that a 2 yr old can stab an adult just as easily. You do realize that knives don't just cut and puncture on their own, you actually need to put some force into it.

2. I'm already telling you, you're mistaken. It was never stated that Vibranium was the strongest metal in the entire universe, let alone the MCU. Besides, what better feats does Vibranium have?

3. Multiple stabs in the neck might work... if they can do it. You'd need to prove that the panthers are fast and skilled enough to go in, stab Thor a few times then get back out of range all without getting hit or grabbed by Thor.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Why would Loki need to struggle? He's in Thor's strength range. He wouldn't have trouble stabbing Thor in much the same way a human adult wouldn't struggle stabbing another human adult. That doesn't mean that a 2 yr old can stab an adult just as easily. You do realize that knives don't just cut and puncture on their own, you actually need to put some force into it.

2. I'm already telling you, you're mistaken. It was never stated that Vibranium was the strongest metal in the entire universe, let alone the MCU. Besides, what better feats does Vibranium have?

3. Multiple stabs in the neck might work... if they can do it. You'd need to prove that the panthers are fast and skilled enough to go in, stab Thor a few times then get back out of range all without getting hit or grabbed by Thor.

1. The Panthers ain't 2 year old, nor are they normal humans. They do have superhuman strength, and nothing suggests that they couldn't be able to replicate Loki's feat.

Loki is in the same strength level as Thor!??? WELLLLL that is a new one to me!

2. Let's say you are right, and i decide to believe you. Featwise, Vibranium is stronger than Asgardian metal. So still, you reach nowhere.

3. T'Challa is fast and agile enough to rival elite fighters like Cap and Bucky. Thor on the other hand doesn't have good fighting feats to put him in par.


Okay Froth, you are still not giving me any evidence and are just trying to refute my points. Do you have evidence or no?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1. The Panthers ain't 2 year old, nor are they normal humans. They do have superhuman strength, and nothing suggests that they couldn't be able to replicate Loki's feat.

Loki is in the same strength level as Thor!??? WELLLLL that is a new one to me!

2. Let's say you are right, and i decide to believe you. Featwise, Vibranium is stronger than Asgardian metal. So still, you reach nowhere.

3. T'Challa is fast and agile enough to rival elite fighters like Cap and Bucky. Thor on the other hand doesn't have good fighting feats to put him in par.


Okay Froth, you are still not giving me any evidence and are just trying to refute my points. Do you have evidence or no?

1. The panthers are superhumanly strong but nowhere near the level of Asgardians who are strong enough to casually chuck around cars. I said Loki is in the same strength RANGE as Thor, not that he's as strong as Thor. Because if he wasn't, he wouldn't be able to manhandle Thor like he does every now and then.

2. I'm still waiting for you to provide these supposed feats that prove vibranium is stronger. Well? Are you every going to provide proof?

3. So prove to me that Thor won't be able to land a hit on the panthers. After all, Loki had no trouble keeping up with Cap so it's not like the supersoldiers have a massive speed advantage over the Asgardians.


Thor fought SHIELD agents hammerless. Majority of his fight against IM and Hulk in Avengers was done hammerless. He fought prisoners and even killed on in TDW hammerless. He took out Hydra agents in the beginning of AoU hammerless after he threw Mjolnir for the first hit.
See? Multiple proof. Now your turn: Prove to me that BP is too fast for Thor to hit or that BP can survive getting hit by Thor.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. The panthers are superhumanly strong but nowhere near the level of Asgardians who are strong enough to casually chuck around cars. I said Loki is in the same strength RANGE as Thor, not that he's as strong as Thor. Because if he wasn't, he wouldn't be able to manhandle Thor like he does every now and then.

2. I'm still waiting for you to provide these supposed feats that prove vibranium is stronger. Well? Are you every going to provide proof?

3. So prove to me that Thor won't be able to land a hit on the panthers. After all, Loki had no trouble keeping up with Cap so it's not like the supersoldiers have a massive speed advantage over the Asgardians.


Thor fought SHIELD agents hammerless. Majority of his fight against IM and Hulk in Avengers was done hammerless. He fought prisoners and even killed on in TDW hammerless. He took out Hydra agents in the beginning of AoU hammerless after he threw Mjolnir for the first hit.
See? Multiple proof. Now your turn: Prove to me that BP is too fast for Thor to hit or that BP can survive getting hit by Thor.

Loki is a frost Giant not an Asgardian. And still, again, you haven't brought any reliable evidence to say that only Loki can stab Thor. So either you have it, or it is just your opinion.

Taking blows from Mjolnir. Resisting Chitauri blasts. Taking Space Stone energy blasts. Resisting Scepter's blasts. And many many many many more feats. How about Asgardian metal?

You do realize that T' Challa is faster than Cap right?

And you are comparing Shield, Hydra and Prisoners to T'Challa and killmonger!?

Iron Man isn't a good fighter and Hulk is a brute beast.

Sorry not enough feats to give Thor an adv.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Prove to me that BP is too fast for Thor to hit or that BP can survive getting hit by Thor.

Maybe being surrounded by Vibranium?...

Surely a hit from Thor would be shocking, but not mortal. And it's two against one.

Also, again, they are better fighters and faster. Thor will struggle to land good hits on these fellows.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Loki is a frost Giant not an Asgardian. And still, again, you haven't brought any reliable evidence to say that only Loki can stab Thor. So either you have it, or it is just your opinion.

Taking blows from Mjolnir. Resisting Chitauri blasts. Taking Space Stone energy blasts. Resisting Scepter's blasts. And many many many many more feats. How about Asgardian metal?

You do realize that T' Challa is faster than Cap right?

And you are comparing Shield, Hydra and Prisoners to T'Challa and killmonger!?

Iron Man isn't a good fighter and Hulk is a brute beast.

Sorry not enough feats to give Thor an adv.


Proof doesn't work like that. You cannot expect me to prove a negative. You're the one claiming panthers can stab Thor, therefore burden of proof is on you. Thor is extremely durable and has never been harmed by a man-made weapon. You want to claim that humans can harm him with man-made weapons then go ahead: prove it.


Weren't you the one who said that offensive and defensive capabilities are not the same? And yet here you are listing all defensive feats for vibranium. How bout you prove that vibranium makes better weapons than Asgardian weapons since, you know, that's what claws are.

There's no proof that T'Challa is faster than Cap.

You asked for proof of hamerless Thor, I gave it to you. IM and Hulk would beat the crap out of BP or Kilmonger and these are guys Thor fought hammerless. Just because they're not as agile doesn't mean Thor's feats don't hold merit.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Proof doesn't work like that. You cannot expect me to prove a negative. You're the one claiming panthers can stab Thor, therefore burden of proof is on you. Thor is extremely durable and has never been harmed by a man-made weapon. You want to claim that humans can harm him with man-made weapons then go ahead: prove it.


Weren't you the one who said that offensive and defensive capabilities are not the same? And yet here you are listing all defensive feats for vibranium. How bout you prove that vibranium makes better weapons than Asgardian weapons since, you know, that's what claws are.

There's no proof that T'Challa is faster than Cap.

You asked for proof of hamerless Thor, I gave it to you. IM and Hulk would beat the crap out of BP or Kilmonger and these are guys Thor fought hammerless. Just because they're not as agile doesn't mean Thor's feats don't hold merit.

Okay we are just going in circles now.

You haven't shown any viable feats of a hammerless pre-ragnarok Thor to make him win this battle.

He is outnumbered, and has no viable way of defeating the panthers. We shall continue this debate when you bring me compelling evidence.

Post data: Thor and IM don't have Vibranium daggers/claws.

He has a very viable way of defeating them, it's called punching them with his vastly superior strength.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Josh is just a massively biased fanboy. the guy actually claimed movie Juggernaut's punches were comparable to Thor's charged hammer shots.

Seems that way.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Seems that way.

Am not the one supporting Thor here.

And concession accepted.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Am not the one supporting Thor here.

And that is why you look like a biased troll. This is a spite thread against the panthers. They are outclassed here. If you cant see this then go watch the movies again, because you seem to not know what these characters are capable of.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander

It's more than evident that Mjolnir protects Thor from energy attacks, to say otherwise is being biased!

Where have I said the hammer doesn't protect Thor or is not able to deflect attacks? Show me. Im fully aware what the hammer can do from what is shown in the movies.
I said the hammer doesn't protect Thor in a 360 degree radius around his body. Only right in front of him, while the attacks are hitting the hammer.
Do you know what 360 degrees means? Maybe that is the issue here, you not knowing what these words mean. You seem confused a lot in your replies in various threads. Reminds me of shades of H1.
The Sokovia blast was ALL AROUND Thor NOT just in from of him in the area around the hammer. Thinking this is stupid and ridiculous.


Here is my post again.


Originally posted by Inhuman
Im not here to discuss what destroyed Sokovia. If it was the strike from Thor, his lightning , the Vibranium machine, a combo of all 3, who cares, thats not the point.

The point is that there was an explosion that reduced Sokovia to rubble. Thor was right in the middle of that blast and survived.



The hammer doesn't work as an energy shield all around Thor . If you have proof then post it.
Every time Thor has blocked an attack he has aim to where the attack is coming at him from. The hammer doesnt give him an 360 degree full body shield around Thor.
The Sokovia blast was all around Thor, not just in front of his hammer. Plus Thor didn't have the hammer up trying to block the blast. Even of he did it wouldn't have shielded him from the full blast that was all around him.

To think that Thor blocked the blast of that magnitude from every angle with his hammer is nonsense.

Anyhow, to simplify this further.

Even Hulk pounding Thor on the ground for a while didnt KO Thor.
Neither of the Panthers have enough physical force to beat Thor that way.
If they try to beat him with cutting or scratching him they will be close enough for Thor to 1 shot them.
Superficial wounds wont keep Thor from killing these 2 when they get close, when more powerful foes(than these 2) wounding Thor haven't slowed him down before.

This is a spite thread. Thor 10/10

Also Thor is a skilled enough fighter that has hundreds/thousands of years of combat experience. Every time he has fought with no hammer he has shown he is a capable fighter. He was outfighting HUlk in Avengers and Ragnarok.
Even if I agree the Panthers may be a bit faster. That wont help them at all.

Just like a feather wight boxer that is faster and more skilled fighting a heavyweight boxer that isn't as fast or skilled.

The heavy weight will destroy the feather weight regardless of not having a speed or skill advantage.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Am not the one supporting Thor here.

And concession accepted.

Which is why you're being called a fanboy as this is an obvious spite thread against BP's team.

Thor smashes their heads against each other.

Originally posted by Inhuman

I said the hammer doesn't protect Thor in a 360 degree radius around his body.

https://youtu.be/2_rv1EZ3rv0

minute 0:24.

Clearly there is a bubble arround Thor protecting him from Surtur's flaming sword. Am not seeing Thor's hair getting burnt, or his back.

Clearly you are biased fanboy who doesnt even know how Thor operates.

Please Boy! Inform yourself

If you cant even understand and grasp such a simple concept as Mjolnir protecting Thor, then its useless to adress your other MISUNDERSTOOD points.


But, dont worry, Your opinion is respected

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Thor smashes their heads against each other.

With Mjolnir i'd agreen entirely.

Bare handed....Seriously?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander


Bare handed....Seriously?


Yes.

What's so difficult to believe. He's like 1000 time stronger than them. And just as fast.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay we are just going in circles now.

You haven't shown any viable feats of a hammerless pre-ragnarok Thor to make him win this battle.

He is outnumbered, and has no viable way of defeating the panthers. We shall continue this debate when you bring me compelling evidence.

Post data: Thor and IM don't have Vibranium daggers/claws.

We keep going around in circles because I keep listing down proof which you just keep ignoring. Then you go ahead and make ridiculous claims and not back them up. Want proof? Here, I'll re-list all the arguments I've made which you have failed to address. I bet you're going to ignore them again.

1. Thor is strong enough to hurt Hulk even without his hammer. He's punched and knee'd Hulk before which has rocked Hulk. That proves that Thor can knock out, if not kill the panthers with his fists since they've not been shown to be anywhere as durable as Hulk. If you disagree, please provide proof that the Panthers are as durable as Hulk if not more.

2. Thor easily crushed IM's armor with his barehands. Considering that IM's armor has withstood tank shells and numerous falling cars, Thor's casual display of strength shows that he can simply crush the panthers if he gets a hold of them. If you disagree, please show proof of the panther's suits being tougher than IM's.

3. Thor has been hit in the face with a full throw from Cap's shield without even getting a red line in the face. This proves that Thor has a high degree of durability vs. vibranium. If you want to claim that panther's claws can cut better than Cap's shield then please provide a feat that shows them cutting something massively tougher than what Cap's shield has done. Remember that Thor wasn't even hurt by Cap's shield throw, so the claws being better at cutting/penetrating by a bit won't be good enough. You have to show that they're far better at cutting/penetrating than Cap's shield.

4. Thor has ducked and dodged majority of hits from Hulk and Ironman. Thor has caught IM's punch in his hand (something that BP has never done). Thor has dodged ultronbot blasts. Thor has blocked chitauri blasts. All of these prove that Thor is not a slow fighter. He might not be as acrobatic as the panthers, that doesn't mean he is slower than them. If you disagree, please provide a feat that clearly shows a massive speed difference between Thor and the panthers.

5. Loki vs. Cap was a one sided fight. This proves 2 things: First, that Loki had no problems keeping up with Cap's speed and second, that Cap's hits were completely ineffective against Loki. Considering that Thor is generally considered the better melee fighter over Loki and that Cap and the panthers are generally considered roughly equal, so we already know how ineffective the panthers are going to be against Thor. If you disagree, please provide proof that the panthers are actually stronger and faster than Cap.

6. I've already proven that vibranium was only ever stated to be the strongest metal on Earth, not the entire universe. Considering that Thor has pretty much been resistant to every man-made weapon (even survived Ultron's vibranium explosion and IM's point blank blast to his face) then if you want to claim that panther claws can injure him enough to cause death then you need to back that up.


Now, I hope you actually reply with facts and proof instead of just covering your ears.

Edit:

7. Loki has stabbed Thor both with dagger and spear. Hela has impaled Thor with a spear and hit Thor full in the face with a sword. Thor was able to fight without issues even after all of these injuries. This is proof that 1-inch claws are not going to do much to slow Thor down. If you disagree, please provide proof that 1-inch vibranium claws are better weapons than Asgardian daggers and spears.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
https://youtu.be/2_rv1EZ3rv0

minute 0:24.

Clearly there is a bubble arround Thor protecting him from Surtur's flaming sword. Am not seeing Thor's hair getting burnt, or his back.

Clearly you are biased fanboy who doesnt even know how Thor operates.

Please Boy! Inform yourself

If you cant even understand and grasp such a simple concept as Mjolnir protecting Thor, then its useless to adress your other MISUNDERSTOOD points.


But, dont worry, Your opinion is respected

0:24 Doesnt show anything.
Seems you dont even know whats going on in your own video.
If you meant @ 1:05 then we see Thor spinning his hammer in order for him to be able to block Surters attack the way he did. The hammer spin block isnt the same as Thor swatting away blasts with his hammer or putting his hammer in front of him to block an attack.
You do realize this right? But this has nothing to do with the Sokovia blast Thor survived because Thor doesnt do the hammer spin block. Thor doesnt even put the hammer in front of him to block. If you have proof that he did anything to block the blast post it. And most importantly to block the blast all around him, 360 degrees.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
With Mjolnir i'd agreen entirely.

Bare handed....Seriously?

You know that smashing both their heads against each other requires both hands right? Why would he need his hammer?

lulz, every reply you look more foolish

Originally posted by Inhuman
0:24 Doesnt show anything.
Seems you dont even know whats going on in your own video.
If you meant @ 1:05 then we see Thor spinning his hammer in order for him to be able to block Surters attack the way he did. The hammer spin block isnt the same as Thor swatting away blasts with his hammer or putting his hammer in front of him to block an attack.
You do realize this right? But this has nothing to do with the Sokovia blast Thor survived because Thor doesnt do the hammer spin block. Thor doesnt even put the hammer in front of him to block. If you have proof that he did anything to block the blast post it. And most importantly to block the blast all around him, 360 degrees.



You know that smashing both their heads against each other requires both hands right? Why would he need his hammer?

lulz, every reply you look more foolish

1:09 that is.

Okay, clearly you dont even know what happened in Sokovia.

As I said, your opinion is respected.

Come back when you have actual evidence of Thor winning.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1:09 that is.

Okay, clearly you dont even know what happened in Sokovia.

As I said, your opinion is respected.

Come back when you have actual evidence of Thor winning.

Here is the scene.

jMv80Q63xAA

Show me where Thor blocks the blast, or stop trolling.

0:23 you even see Thor's body being blown away by the force of the blast.

I have already said how Thor would win multiple times.
This is a spite thread against the Panthers.

/thread

Originally posted by Inhuman
Here is the scene.

jMv80Q63xAA

Show me where Thor blocks the blast, or stop trolling.

0:23 you even see Thor's body being blown away by the force of the blast.

I have already said how Thor would win multiple times.
This is a spite thread against the Panthers.

/thread

You are so stupid you can't realize that the hammer is between him and the blast.

Just like in the scenes with Surtur and the Destroyer the hammer has proven to be able to deflect energy blasts.

You clearly don't know your stuff boy

Don't waste my time and go inform yourself.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You are so stupid you can't realize that the hammer is between him and the blast.

Just like in the scenes with Surtur and the Destroyer the hammer has proven to be able to deflect energy blasts.

You clearly don't know your stuff boy

Don't waste my time and go inform yourself.

Give me what frame shows this in the video. I want to see what you are seeing.
I dont want any idiotic speculations, I want you to show me what part in the video shows the hammer blocking the blast.
Screen shot it or tell me what second it happens.

Speculations dont fly. Either show me where it shows what you are claiming or quit the dumb ass trolling. There was also no hammer twirling in this scene.

Get some glasses , watch the moves again , or lurk more and learn how to debate.

So far you're basically h1 jr. barker

Originally posted by FrothByte
We keep going around in circles because I keep listing down proof which you just keep ignoring. Then you go ahead and make ridiculous claims and not back them up. Want proof? Here, I'll re-list all the arguments I've made which you have failed to address. I bet you're going to ignore them again.

1. Thor is strong enough to hurt Hulk even without his hammer. He's punched and knee'd Hulk before which has rocked Hulk. That proves that Thor can knock out, if not kill the panthers with his fists since they've not been shown to be anywhere as durable as Hulk. If you disagree, please provide proof that the Panthers are as durable as Hulk if not more.

2. Thor easily crushed IM's armor with his barehands. Considering that IM's armor has withstood tank shells and numerous falling cars, Thor's casual display of strength shows that he can simply crush the panthers if he gets a hold of them. If you disagree, please show proof of the panther's suits being tougher than IM's.

3. Thor has been hit in the face with a full throw from Cap's shield without even getting a red line in the face. This proves that Thor has a high degree of durability vs. vibranium. If you want to claim that panther's claws can cut better than Cap's shield then please provide a feat that shows them cutting something massively tougher than what Cap's shield has done. Remember that Thor wasn't even hurt by Cap's shield throw, so the claws being better at cutting/penetrating by a bit won't be good enough. You have to show that they're far better at cutting/penetrating than Cap's shield.

4. Thor has ducked and dodged majority of hits from Hulk and Ironman. Thor has caught IM's punch in his hand (something that BP has never done). Thor has dodged ultronbot blasts. Thor has blocked chitauri blasts. All of these prove that Thor is not a slow fighter. He might not be as acrobatic as the panthers, that doesn't mean he is slower than them. If you disagree, please provide a feat that clearly shows a massive speed difference between Thor and the panthers.

5. Loki vs. Cap was a one sided fight. This proves 2 things: First, that Loki had no problems keeping up with Cap's speed and second, that Cap's hits were completely ineffective against Loki. Considering that Thor is generally considered the better melee fighter over Loki and that Cap and the panthers are generally considered roughly equal, so we already know how ineffective the panthers are going to be against Thor. If you disagree, please provide proof that the panthers are actually stronger and faster than Cap.

6. I've already proven that vibranium was only ever stated to be the strongest metal on Earth, not the entire universe. Considering that Thor has pretty much been resistant to every man-made weapon (even survived Ultron's vibranium explosion and IM's point blank blast to his face) then if you want to claim that panther claws can injure him enough to cause death then you need to back that up.


Now, I hope you actually reply with facts and proof instead of just covering your ears.

The reason why we are going in circles is because you keep bringing unrelated and invalid evidence.

Either way, let's see what you've got.

1. Yes he has, yet nothing serious enough to harm the Hulk. A couple of punches and what's not. Surely Thor would land some good punches on the panthers, am not arguing otherwise. Yet, it's not enough feat to make it serious for the panthers.

2. The Gold Titanium IM suit shouldn't be tougher than the Panther's suit according to the Black Panther movie. So, irrelevant feat. But i would agree that Thor punches would be heavy.

3. See? This is why we are going in circles.

You can't compare a shield with a knife or claw! They are different tools meant for different purposes.

A shield isn't a cutting device, so your feat is IRRELEVANT.

4. I never said Thor was a snail, i said the Panthers are faster. IRRELEVANT.

5. A. Thor isn't a better fighter than Loki.
B. Thor isn't faster than Loki.
C. The panthers are arguably faster than Captain America.

Irrelevant to bring the Loki vs Cap feat here.

6. Vibranium>>>Asgardian Metal based on feats. Or do you disagree??

If a random knife could cut Thor, then a Vib weapon could too.

Thor ain't impenetrable, doesn't matter how much you want to wail about it.

Stop avoiding and trying to circle things out Froth. Again, you haven't brought any solid evidence Froth.

You are trying to bring an A + B = C + D type of thing, but the problem is that there are mathematic errors in your formula.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The reason why we are going in circles is because you keep bringing unrelated and invalid evidence.

Either way, let's see what you've got.

1. Yes he has, yet nothing serious enough to harm the Hulk. A couple of punches and what's not. Surely Thor would land some good punches on the panthers, am not arguing otherwise. Yet, it's not enough feat to make it serious for the panthers.

You do know that boxers and MMA fighters take more than a few punches to seriously hurt each other right? No different for Hulk and Thor. I'm still waiting for you to prove that the panthers can tank hits from Thor. Right off the bat you're immediately dodging.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
2. The Gold Titanium IM suit shouldn't be tougher than the Panther's suit according to the Black Panther movie. So, irrelevant feat. But i would agree that Thor punches would be heavy.

Prove that the panther's suits are tougher than IM's suit. Prove, as in provide feats.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
3. See? This is why we are going in circles.

You can't compare a shield with a knife or claw! They are different tools meant for different purposes.

A shield isn't a cutting device, so your feat is IRRELEVANT.

And yet that shield has cut more stuff than the BP's claws have. Again, waiting for you to prove that their claws are better cutting weapons than the shield.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
4. I never said Thor was a snail, i said the Panthers are faster. IRRELEVANT.

Prove that the panthers are faster.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
5. A. Thor isn't a better fighter than Loki.
B. Thor isn't faster than Loki.
C. The panthers are arguably faster than Captain America.

Irrelevant to bring the Loki vs Cap feat here.

A: prove that Loki is a better fighter
B. prove that Loki is faster
C: prove that the panthers are faster than CA


Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
6. Vibranium>>>Asgardian Metal based on feats. Or do you disagree??

If a random knife could cut Thor, then a Vib weapon could too.

Thor ain't impenetrable, doesn't matter how much you want to wail about it.

Disagree. Asgardian melee weapons > vibranium melee weapons as per feats. Loki doesn't use a random knife, or have you not watched the movies yet? And once again, you keep neglecting to factor in the strength of the knife wielder. It's almost as if you know you'll lose the debate so you intentionally ignore it.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Stop avoiding and trying to circle things out Froth. Again, you haven't brought any solid evidence Froth.

You are trying to bring an A + B = C + D type of thing, but the problem is that there are mathematic errors in your formula.

See, what did I tell you? I knew you'd try to duck and dodge again. I provided proof, you replied with pure opinion and zero proof. I guess you don't know how debates work. Do you even know what providing proof means?

Originally posted by FrothByte
You do know that boxers and MMA fighters take more than a few punches to seriously hurt each other right? No different for Hulk and Thor. I'm still waiting for you to prove that the panthers can tank hits from Thor. Right off the bat you're immediately dodging.


Prove that the panther's suits are tougher than IM's suit. Prove, as in provide feats.


And yet that shield has cut more stuff than the BP's claws have. Again, waiting for you to prove that their claws are better cutting weapons than the shield.


Prove that the panthers are faster.


A: prove that Loki is a better fighter
B. prove that Loki is faster
C: prove that the panthers are faster than CA




Disagree. Asgardian melee weapons > vibranium melee weapons as per feats. Loki doesn't use a random knife, or have you not watched the movies yet? And once again, you keep neglecting to factor in the strength of the knife wielder. It's almost as if you know you'll lose the debate so you intentionally ignore it.



See, what did I tell you? I knew you'd try to duck and dodge again. I provided proof, you replied with pure opinion and zero proof. I guess you don't know how debates work. Do you even know what providing proof means? \

Why shouldn't they? It's Vibranium they are sorrounded with! Vibranium absorbs KE! Sure, the suits aren't 100% E absorbant! But there is no evidence to claim Thor's punches will be serious.

Vibranium is the strongest metal on Earth according to BP (Note i give you the benefit of the doubt). Also we saw Cap's Shield penetrating IM's suit. The Shield itself wasn't harm, therefore Vib>Gold Titanium.

T'Challa's encounter with Bucky, where he proved to be more agile and faster! Bucky on the other hand can rival Cap who is as fast as Loki who is faster than Thor.

I've already proven that Loki is a better fighter than Thor.

Go watch Avengers and Thor.

You keep avoiding things. Vib>Asgardian metal, therefore Vib weapon SHOULD be able to penetrate Thor.

I guess it's useless to debate with you when Thor is concerned.

You guys get too biased and blinded!

We shall talk when you bring compelling evidence.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Give me what frame shows this in the video. I want to see what you are seeing.
I dont want any idiotic speculations, I want you to show me what part in the video shows the hammer blocking the blast.
Screen shot it or tell me what second it happens.

Speculations dont fly. Either show me where it shows what you are claiming or quit the dumb ass trolling. There was also no hammer twirling in this scene.

Get some glasses , watch the moves again , or lurk more and learn how to debate.

So far you're basically h1 jr. barker

With what did Thor striked Sokovia? What was touching the ground when the blast occured?

Also, the blast itself isn't that harmful it appears. Iron Man was just below the blast and suffer no apparent damage.

H1!!!!? BAHAHAHAHA. If that's so then you are Silent Master jr!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
\

Why shouldn't they? It's Vibranium they are sorrounded with! Vibranium absorbs KE! Sure, the suits aren't 100% E absorbant! But there is no evidence to claim Thor's punches will be serious.

Vibranium is the strongest metal on Earth according to BP (Note i give you the benefit of the doubt). Also we saw Cap's Shield penetrating IM's suit. The Shield itself wasn't harm, therefore Vib>Gold Titanium.

T'Challa's encounter with Bucky, where he proved to be more agile and faster! Bucky on the other hand can rival Cap who is as fast as Loki who is faster than Thor.

I've already proven that Loki is a better fighter than Thor.

Go watch Avengers and Thor.

You keep avoiding things. Vib>Asgardian metal, therefore Vib weapon SHOULD be able to penetrate Thor.

I guess it's useless to debate with you when Thor is concerned.

You guys get too biased and blinded!

We shall talk when you bring compelling evidence.

Proof, dude. You need to provide proof. I don't mind that you disagree with me, but at least do me the courtesy of providing proof for your claims the same way I provided proof for mine.

You have yet to provide proof that the panther suits can withstand hits as strong as Thor's. You have yet to prove that the bp suits are stronger than IM's. You have yet to prove that their claws can cut better than Cap's shield. You have yet to prove that the panthers are fast enough to not get hit by Thor (hint: BP was not fast enough to escape getting hit by Cap). No proof whatsoever that the panthers are strong enough to hurt Thor even with their claws.

In short, no one cares about your arguments if you can't back them up with proof.


Edit: I do acknowledge that you provided your proof that Loki is faster than Thor. I don't agree with it, and I think it's silly that you're using a reluctant Thor as proof that he's slower, but at least you made the effort to actually back it up. You need to do the same with your other arguments.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Proof, dude. You need to provide proof. I don't mind that you disagree with me, but at least do me the courtesy of providing proof for your claims the same way I provided proof for mine.

You have yet to provide proof that the panther suits can withstand hits as strong as Thor's. You have yet to prove that the bp suits are stronger than IM's. You have yet to prove that their claws can cut better than Cap's shield. You have yet to prove that the panthers are fast enough to not land hits on Thor (hint: BP was not fast enough to escape getting hit by Cap). No proof whatsoever that the panthers are strong enough to hurt Thor even with their claws.

In short, no one cares about your arguments if you can't back them up with proof.

He is a h1/quan style troll. in that be believes his massively biased opinions and speculation is actually proof.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Proof, dude. You need to provide proof. I don't mind that you disagree with me, but at least do me the courtesy of providing proof for your claims the same way I provided proof for mine.

You have yet to provide proof that the panther suits can withstand hits as strong as Thor's. You have yet to prove that the bp suits are stronger than IM's. You have yet to prove that their claws can cut better than Cap's shield. You have yet to prove that the panthers are fast enough to not land hits on Thor (hint: BP was not fast enough to escape getting hit by Cap). No proof whatsoever that the panthers are strong enough to hurt Thor even with their claws. I do acknowledge that you provided your proof that Loki is faster than Thor. I don't agree with it, but at least you made the effort to actually back it up. You need to do the same with your other arguments.

In short, no one cares about your arguments if you can't back them up with proof.

Ive shown you clear videos Froth! CLEAR. Dont turn the blind eye now.

Regarding T'Challa's speed, go rewatch Civil War.

Everything else, ive proven in previous replies.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He is a h1/quan style troll. in that be believes his massively biased opinions and speculation is actually proof.

Yeah, what he's doing is basically saying "I already proved it because I said so.".

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Ive shown you clear videos Froth! CLEAR. Dont turn the blind eye now.

Regarding T'Challa's speed, go rewatch Civil War.

Everything else, ive proven in previous replies.

What videos have shown that the panther suits can tank hits strong enough to rock Hulk?

What videos have shown that the panther suits are tougher than IM's?

What videos show that the panther claws can cut better than Cap's shield?

I watched CW, nothing in there shows panther to be some kind of speedster that Thor can't hit. Or are you judging his speed based mainly on how well he does flying spin kicks?

Originally posted by FrothByte
What videos have shown that the panther suits can tank hits strong enough to rock Hulk?

What videos have shown that the panther suits are tougher than IM's?

What videos show that the panther claws can cut better than Cap's shield?

I watched CW, nothing in there shows panther to be some kind of speedster that Thor can't hit. Or are you judging his speed based mainly on how well he does flying spin kicks?

He's not aware that Thor is fast enough to block multiple energy attacks.

Originally posted by FrothByte
What videos have shown that the panther suits can tank hits strong enough to rock Hulk?

What videos have shown that the panther suits are tougher than IM's?

What videos show that the panther claws can cut better than Cap's shield?

I watched CW, nothing in there shows panther to be some kind of speedster that Thor can't hit. Or are you judging his speed based mainly on how well he does flying spin kicks?

Twisting my words are useless Froth.

1. When did Thor rocked Hulk barehanded? Sure he lift him up, yet not rock him. Nor is that force enough to claim it can defeat the Panthers. We saw TChalla surviving far greater forces than that!

2. The fact that its made of Vibranium.

3. You are evidentely avoiding things now.

4. Okay, by now its pretty obvious you are avoiding facts.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah, what he's doing is basically saying "I already proved it because I said so.".

And you are trying to circle your way arround my evidence!

Actually its the other way arround, when Thor is concerned, you and the others become Quan when Snoke is concerned.

Look at that, he didn't post a single bit of proof.

Okay, nuff said. None of you have shown any viable evidence to give Pre Ragnarok Thor without hammer the win. All you guys have done is bring your fanaticism and biased opinions.

Until you guys lower your emotions for Thor, its useless to debate anything regarding his character.

So, Bye Bye.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Twisting my words are useless Froth.

1. When did Thor rocked Hulk barehanded? Sure he lift him up, yet not rock him. Nor is that force enough to claim it can defeat the Panthers. We saw TChalla surviving far greater forces than that!

2. The fact that its made of Vibranium.

3. You are evidentely avoiding things now.

4. Okay, by now its pretty obvious you are avoiding facts.



And you are trying to circle your way arround my evidence!

Actually its the other way arround, when Thor is concerned, you and the others become Quan when Snoke is concerned.

1. When Thor punched Hulk strong enough to turn him a full 360 degress. When you consider that Hulk can maintain his stance despite getting pushed against by a leviathan, you'll get an idea of how strong that punch is. Show me proof of the panther suits withstanding that kind of force. SHOW.ME.PROOF.

2. Yeah and? Where's the proof of the suits (and their wearers) surviving greater trauma than IM did?

3. In other words, you are unable to prove that the claws can actually cut better than the shield. Gotcha.

4. In other words, you are unable to clarify why exactly you think BP is faster than Thor.


And... I'm sorry, but what evidence? You haven't posted any. Do you know what evidence means?

See, you point out that he doesn't post evidence and just relies on his massively biased opinion and what does he do? he accuses you of doing the same thing and then runs away.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. When Thor punched Hulk strong enough to turn him a full 360 degress. When you consider that Hulk can maintain his stance despite getting pushed against by a leviathan

OMG!!! I just couldnt resist myself from quoting this.

You are using the Leviathan feat and comparing it to the Hellicarrier fight!? WTF!?

Have Thor replace the Leviathan and hit Hulks fist with the same force as in the Helicarrier...You are really fanatic when it comes to Thor. You even twist the movie feats!

Now yes, am gone. Later.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
OMG!!! I just couldnt resist myself from quoting this.

You are using the Leviathan feat and comparing it to the Hellicarrier fight!? WTF!?

Have Thor replace the Leviathan and hit Hulks fist with the same force as in the Helicarrier...You are really fanatic when it comes to Thor. You even twist the movie feats!

Now yes, am gone. Later.

No, you're twisting my words. I did not say Thor hits as hard as Hulk or the leviathan. I mentioned the leviathan feat so you get an idea of how stable Hulk is on his feet and not easily rocked.

I noticed that you only resorted to backhanded insults and, again, provided no proof. You know you've lost this debate, you're just trying to cover your shame snide comments.

Originally posted by Silent Master
See, you point out that he doesn't post evidence and just relies on his massively biased opinion and what does he do? he accuses you of doing the same thing and then runs away.

I pointed out that he doesn't post evidence and just relies on his massively biased opinion. What does he do? He replies with some massively biased opinions and doesn't post evidence.

Thor, he doesn't need his hammer anymore remember and his strength is another level from what these guys can handle even in those vibranium suits