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Who wins

Mangog.

Superman grabs the ugly cow by the horns and rips his head off.

I'll wait to see how Jane Thor actually does.

As of now, edge to Superman.

Unless there's a lot of context to Mangog's eventual defeat, besides "wearing him down", I think he can do it

On account of the speed advantage, and if he goes "Death of Superman/Probe Buster".

Mangog stomps tbh.

Mangog is too slow for this fight.

Superman

Mangog beats the shit out of him.

Superman survived a planet exploding COMPLETELY unscathed while still on it.

MANGOG DIES BRUTALLY!!!

Mangog in a STOMP. Not even close. Spite, spite and spite.

Not very familiar with current Mangog, but going by feats, Superman should take this handily.

Mangog is above Thor, but so is Superman. I would argue that Mangog couldn't handle most of the things that current Superman has tanked.

Right now, Mangog wins.

I want to see how Jane beats him. If she does. She could just send him somewhere or something I guess.

But if she physically beats him, then I will say Supey wins.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right now, Mangog wins.

I want to see how Jane beats him. If she does. She could just send him somewhere or something I guess.

But if she physically beats him, then I will say Supey wins.

That's what has me edging towards Superman.

But i'll also reserve judgement until next month.

Should be a stalemate. Superman's perception of Mangog should allow him not to get hit if he didn't want to.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right now, Mangog wins.

I want to see how Jane beats him. If she does. She could just send him somewhere or something I guess.

But if she physically beats him, then I will say Supey wins.

Or Jane is that good.

She's above Skyfather?

Then she should replicate those showings in other books. Right now she's struggling with the Black Order etc.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She's above Skyfather?

Then she should replicate those showings in other books. Right now she's struggling with the Black Order etc.

Is she going all out against Black Order? Should I list everyone new Supes has been koed by?

Originally posted by carver9
Is she going all out against Black Order? Should I list everyone new Supes has been koed by?

THE HOUSE OF EL HAS CHAPTERS ACROSS THE GLOBE!!!

YOU'VE BEEN WARNED GAMMITE!!!

Originally posted by JBL
Mangog in a STOMP. Not even close. Spite, spite and spite.

Exactly. Mangog is magical in nature.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Exactly. Mangog is magical in nature.

Are you aware Superman has defeated SEVERAL immensely powerful villains who are in magical nature?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Are you aware Superman has defeated SEVERAL immensely powerful villains who are in magical nature?

And I am aware that he was defeated by far less powerful beings than Mangog.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
And I am aware that he was defeated by far less powerful beings than Mangog.

You believe characters should be solely defined by their low showings?

He beat the Destroyer and no weapon on Asgard can stop him, which on last count included the Twilight Sword, Odin sword, Casket of Ancient Winters, Norn Stones and at least one more reality warping weapon. Loki as Sorcerer Supreme wouldn't f*ck with him. Asgard is also home to the World Tree, which is more potent magic than you'd find almost anywhere else in Marvel (Axis of the Multiverse etc.) He stomped Cul. The Phoenix would probably run from him. He crushed Ultimate Mjolnir. He's beating the shit out of Odin and Thor, even though they are not what they once were, if Galactus or a Celestial invaded Asgard today, I'd bet on that duo kicking ass.

The girls of Thunder and King Thor did way better against Galactus. A small portion of Asgard's army and the Destroyer raped the Sh'iar and the Imperials Guard. Remender and Aaron came up with a spell in Asgard's vault that could rape Celestials (The original bane of the Old Gods). He also had Odin blast a Celestial down from the First Host and kill it with the Phoenix etc. a million years ago.

Usually when someone is raping an enemy's fortress, they kind of ignore all the high end shit. Aaron is aware of it, and blatantly states that it doesn't matter. I don't know how Jane is going to pull this off, but it better be more then heart force. Aaron knows exactly how powerful Asgard can be. It makes Mangog that much scarier.

Anyways, Superman might chip a tooth before getting ripped in half I guess.

Originally posted by carver9
Is she going all out against Black Order? Should I list everyone new Supes has been koed by?

She went all out against that meteor.

And yes, she seems pretty pissed against the BO. Nonetheless, you're the one who used averages, yes? Supes has way more showings than Thor. You need to average across his appearances.

One or two low showings for Thor has way more of an impact than with Superman with his 1001 showings.

If you go by averages.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She's above Skyfather?

Then she should replicate those showings in other books. Right now she's struggling with the Black Order etc.

That's a super loaded question. Even for a reply to Carver. Everyone's performance in team books has been subjected to ninja syndrome. Besides, it's metal master controlling Mjolnir that gave her some problems, she beat the shit out of Black Obsidian and the Blood Brothers.

If I made a respect thread for Jane and included all her fights and feats, I'm not sure which herald would be able to match her average. She's only been around for 3 years, but has crazy feats. I mean, your version of a bad showing for he is not casually stomping everyone on the Black Order because Metal Master is using Mjolnir against her.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He beat the Destroyer and no weapon on Asgard can stop him, which on last count included the Twilight Sword, Odin sword, Casket of Ancient Winters, Norn Stones and at least one more reality warping weapon. Loki as Sorcerer Supreme wouldn't f*ck with him. Asgard is also home to the World Tree, which is more potent magic than you'd find almost anywhere else in Marvel (Axis of the Multiverse etc.) He stomped Cul. The Phoenix would probably run from him. He crushed Ultimate Mjolnir. He's beating the shit out of Odin and Thor, even though they are not what they once were, if Galactus or a Celestial invaded Asgard today, I'd bet on that duo kicking ass.

The girls of Thunder and King Thor did way better against Galactus. A small portion of Asgard's army and the Destroyer raped the Sh'iar and the Imperials Guard. Remender and Aaron came up with a spell in Asgard's vault that could rape Celestials (The original bane of the Old Gods). He also had Odin blast a Celestial down from the First Host and kill it with the Phoenix etc. a million years ago.

Usually when someone is raping an enemy's fortress, they kind of ignore all the high end shit. Aaron is aware of it, and blatantly states that it doesn't matter. I don't know how Jane is going to pull this off, but it better be more then heart force. Aaron knows exactly how powerful Asgard can be. It makes Mangog that much scarier.

Anyways, Superman might chip a tooth before getting ripped in half I guess.

i thought Loki being Sorcerer Supreme was a lie or illusion? Isnt that what he recently stated in Stranges book. It could be an elaborate plot

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's a super loaded question. Even for a reply to Carver.

If I made a respect thread for Jane and included all her fights and feats, I'm not sure which herald would be able to match her average. She's only been around for 3 years, but has crazy feats.

On a purely physical strength level?

I mean yes she has amazing feats, not denying that.

But my point was, I don't think her physical feats are superior to Supermans.

Hence, if she beats Mangog by pure physical force, I don't see it being something Superman can't do.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i thought Loki being Sorcerer Supreme was a lie or illusion? Isnt that what he recently stated in Stranges book. It could be an elaborate plot

The tournament to take the title away was an illusion but he was actually Sorcerer Supreme for a few months.

Brilliant trolling.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i thought Loki being Sorcerer Supreme was a lie or illusion? Isnt that what he recently stated in Stranges book. It could be an elaborate plot

Strange was always the Supreme still, Loki just phucked with him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
On a purely physical strength level?

I mean yes she has amazing feats, not denying that.

But my point was, I don't think her physical feats are superior to Supermans.

Hence, if she beats Mangog by pure physical force, I don't see it being something Superman can't do.

What kind of logic is that?

You presuppose that Superman IS superior to her and so that automatically anything she does, he would be able to accomplish. Because her beating Mangog would be a superior feat to anything I see Superman accomplishing. It's not completely impossible but it's so far out the realm of the norm, it's like saying Hulk could beat Galactus because of that one time he did this because that one time Thor beat him. Yes, sure possibly, but, you're basically being Carver at that point.

Would Mangog rape Superman? Yes, almost certainly. BUT maybe that one of 100 times Superman wins, okay but who cares? Jane is dying, this is her last hurrah, this is her 1 of 100 fights to give it her all.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You believe characters should be solely defined by their low showings?

Nope.

But Superman is vulnerable to magic and a single blow of Mangog is enough to get the work done.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Strange was always the Supreme still, Loki just phucked with him.

If you're implying that he wasn't more powerful than before, that would be nice, the title gave mad props to Loki as a Sorcerer but whatever authority is conveyed to a SS, Loki clearly had it, so it muddied the waters.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What kind of logic is that?

You presuppose that Superman IS superior to her and so that automatically anything she does, he would be able to accomplish. Because her beating Mangog would be a superior feat to anything I see Superman accomplishing. It's not completely impossible but it's so far out the realm of the norm, it's like saying Hulk could beat Galactus because of that one time he did this because that one time Thor beat him. Yes, sure possibly, but, you're basically being Carver at that point.

Would Mangog rape Superman? Yes, almost certainly. BUT maybe that one of 100 times Superman wins, okay but who cares? Jane is dying, this is her last hurrah, this is her 1 of 100 fights to give it her all.

Because he has the physical feats like benching the Earth for five days etc.

I just think he's physically stronger than her. That's all. And if she wins through physical means....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right now, Mangog wins.

I want to see how Jane beats him. If she does. She could just send him somewhere or something I guess.

But if she physically beats him, then I will say Supey wins.



I concur. For now mangog, but could change with upcoming Jane fight

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Nope.

But Superman is vulnerable to magic and a single blow of Mangog is enough to get the work done.

PERVERSE LIES!!!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
PERVERSE LIES!!!

T_T

Originally posted by Zack M
Mangog is too slow for this fight.
He can travel through space without the aid of flight.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The tournament to take the title away was an illusion but he was actually Sorcerer Supreme for a few months.

Brilliant trolling.

im confused. so loki never was sorcerer supreme and never got a power upgrade?

And on a related point, Rage names all the weapons that Mangog will tank.

Says who? They didn't even try them. Loki just says nothing will stop him.

And we know that's a lie. As Thor will stop him.

Originally posted by Sin I AM

im confused. so loki never was sorcerer supreme and never got a power upgrade?

Loki tricked Doctor Strange with an illusion into giving him over the Sorcerer Supreme title. So he was the Sorcerer Supreme and had the power upgrade.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She went all out against that meteor.

And yes, she seems pretty pissed against the BO. Nonetheless, you're the one who used averages, yes? Supes has way more showings than Thor. You need to average across his appearances.

One or two low showings for Thor has way more of an impact than with Superman with his 1001 showings.

If you go by averages.

I see you enjoy clinging to one showing.

Being pissed doesn't mean you're going all out. I can point out a lot of showings of Superman being pissed during combat and you all would deny it. Also, new Supes, NEW Supes, doesn't have far more showings. I am talking about the Superman after the merge. Hello!!!

Going by average of high showings via combat, Jane showings piss on his showings. Phil used a ft of him getting mutilated by a group of Heralds as a high showing. If it takes fts like that to prove that Superman is operating above Herald tier then Jane is the better.

Current Superman is the same as before the reboot.

Current is what use being used in this thread.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Current Superman is the same as before the reboot.

Current is what use being used in this thread.

I'm confused. I thought you all said he is 2 times more powerful (WTF)?

Originally posted by carver9
I'm confused. I thought you all said he is 2 times more powerful (WTF)?

What does this have to do with new superman?

Where did you even get new superman from?

Thread title clearly says current. Hello!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And on a related point, Rage names all the weapons that Mangog will tank.

Says who? They didn't even try them. Loki just says nothing will stop him.

And we know that's a lie. As Thor will stop him.

yeah i was thinking the same thing. just because loki, of all people, says it, doesn't come close to meaning all of the weapons would ACTUALLY fail. hard to believe that some of what they have wouldn't be enough to end him. i'd love to see a god blast and what effect it would have. i'd also LOVE to see unworthy thor and that axe go into warrior madness. see how tough mangog REALLY is....

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah i was thinking the same thing. just because loki, of all people, says it, doesn't come close to meaning all of the weapons would ACTUALLY fail. hard to believe that some of what they have wouldn't be enough to end him. i'd love to see a god blast and what effect it would have. i'd also LOVE to see unworthy thor and that axe go into warrior madness. see how tough mangog REALLY is....
There's a good chance that you'll get your wish in regards to the Godblast. Since a Godblast is powered by lifeforce and Jane's dying anyway, I can totally see her putting ALL of her life energy into the blast to take down Mangog in the end.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What does this have to do with new superman?

Where did you even get new superman from?

Thread title clearly says current. Hello!

Lol...current Superman is new Superman. Do you want me to call him old Superman?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And on a related point, Rage names all the weapons that Mangog will tank.

Says who? They didn't even try them. Loki just says nothing will stop him.

And we know that's a lie. As Thor will stop him.

Ummm says Loki, and by extension the writer?

Jane might stop him in the end, but that doesn't make Loki's statement untrue...

I mean, I can understand some skepticism, but like, how can Aaron make it any clearer at this point that Mangog can't be stopped with just brute force? Have him systematically stomp every deity ever?

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah i was thinking the same thing. just because loki, of all people, says it, doesn't come close to meaning all of the weapons would ACTUALLY fail. hard to believe that some of what they have wouldn't be enough to end him. i'd love to see a god blast and what effect it would have. i'd also LOVE to see unworthy thor and that axe go into warrior madness. see how tough mangog REALLY is....

I don't see why Loki would be lying at that point. His goal is save his mother, Freya. She is the one who he REALLY cares about. At the moment, she's getting choked to death by Mangog like some hentai porn. If there was something that could stop him, why wouldn't he use it?

I thought he was a clear writing tool to address all the fan complaints of why Mangog is just storming through Asgardia without any of the big artifacts whipped out.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
im confused. so loki never was sorcerer supreme and never got a power upgrade?

I don't think Sorcerer Supreme gives you a power upgrade, not for someone like Loki in the classic sense, who is himself a master sorcerer with a great resource but there is SOME change. I think the title invokes the ability to access entities, artifacts, and other items that no one else can.

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Even in this issue. He prefaces sending Freya away even from Mangog BECAUSE he's Sorcerer Supreme. Which implies it would be difficult, or not possible for someone who isn't the Sorcerer Supreme to do.

He was after all, stalemating supposedly the most powerful Doctor Strange ever.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Ummm says Loki, and by extension the writer?

Jane might stop him in the end, but that doesn't make Loki's statement untrue...

I mean, I can understand some skepticism, but like, how can Aaron make it any clearer at this point that Mangog can't be stopped with just brute force? Have him systematically stomp every deity ever?



I don't see why Loki would be lying at that point. His goal is save his mother, Freya. She is the one who he REALLY cares about. At the moment, she's getting choked to death by Mangog like some hentai porn. If there was something that could stop him, why wouldn't he use it?

I thought he was a clear writing tool to address all the fan complaints of why Mangog is just storming through Asgardia without any of the big artifacts whipped out.

meh, feels like a plot device to me. could be factually true i suppose. regardless, we'll never know.

Originally posted by leonidas
meh, feels like a plot device to me. could be factually true i suppose. regardless, we'll never know.

The plot device is Jane. She's doing what a Thor does, being the greatest God who ever lived. I just wish Thor and Odin were dead in some glorious battle so they didn't have to be dragged through the mud to justify her existence.

People are getting their panties in a tizzy over Jane, forgetting that the entire point of her journey is a mortal living up to the example that Thor set out. The best feat in all of Thor's history was still written by Jason Aaron:
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Trillions of gods, across all of time, any God that had ever been born, lived, or died was saved by Thor doing the impossible. And this story specifically took into account the existence of Elder/Old Gods. Retarded bro.

Thor with two Mjolnir's is confirmed Living Tribunal level.
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The plot device is Jane. She's doing what a Thor does, being the greatest God who ever lived. I just wish Thor and Odin were dead in some glorious battle so they didn't have to be dragged through the mud to justify her existence.

People are getting their panties in a tizzy over Jane, forgetting that the entire point of her journey is a mortal living up to the example that Thor set out. The best feat in all of Thor's history was still written by Jason Aaron:
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Trillions of gods, across all of time, any God that had ever been born, lived, or died was saved by Thor doing the impossible.

Superman would've INCINERATED Gorr!!

I'm sure he would've.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He beat the Destroyer and no weapon on Asgard can stop him, which on last count included the Twilight Sword, Odin sword, Casket of Ancient Winters, Norn Stones and at least one more reality warping weapon. Loki as Sorcerer Supreme wouldn't f*ck with him. Asgard is also home to the World Tree, which is more potent magic than you'd find almost anywhere else in Marvel (Axis of the Multiverse etc.) He stomped Cul. The Phoenix would probably run from him. He crushed Ultimate Mjolnir. He's beating the shit out of Odin and Thor, even though they are not what they once were, if Galactus or a Celestial invaded Asgard today, I'd bet on that duo kicking ass.

The girls of Thunder and King Thor did way better against Galactus. A small portion of Asgard's army and the Destroyer raped the Sh'iar and the Imperials Guard. Remender and Aaron came up with a spell in Asgard's vault that could rape Celestials (The original bane of the Old Gods). He also had Odin blast a Celestial down from the First Host and kill it with the Phoenix etc. a million years ago.

Usually when someone is raping an enemy's fortress, they kind of ignore all the high end shit. Aaron is aware of it, and blatantly states that it doesn't matter. I don't know how Jane is going to pull this off, but it better be more then heart force. Aaron knows exactly how powerful Asgard can be. It makes Mangog that much scarier.

Anyways, Superman might chip a tooth before getting ripped in half I guess.
Shall I start with Superman feats now? I guess power scaling only works when it's Thor?

Gladiator choked Jane out, she struggled with grey she hulk just a few issues ago and was stalemating Hercules in arm wrestling. All under Aaron.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

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Did you ever catch Thor moving through time dilation there?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Shall I start with Superman feats now? I guess power scaling only works when it's Thor?

Gladiator choked Jane out, she struggled with grey she hulk just a few issues ago and was stalemating Hercules in arm wrestling. All under Aaron.

And proceeds to immediately attempt to lowball Jane. It's like a mental disease.

Also, Jane Thor and Hercules stalemting in an arm wrestling isn't a low showing WTF. Nor is stalemating a Hulked out She-Hulk that was literally a stand in for the Hulk.....

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Did you ever catch Thor moving through time dilation there?



Nice! An even better speed feat than Jane's brain surgery under Aaron.

Anyone ever browse through the first page of the vs. Forums? Abhil is like a gay candy man. Say Superman 3 times in the mirror and he'll appear behind you in Superman undies jerking off into JLA/Avengers.

We need to create a separate forum for Superman related threads. It's sad.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And proceeds to immediately attempt to lowball Jane. It's like a mental disease.


Who said it's a low showing?

Are you that retarded? Who said it's a low showing?

Jane isn't some skyfather under Aaron. If she beats Mangog, it will only reflect poorly on Odin.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Did you ever catch Thor moving through time dilation there?
"Time became tar."

Does it specifically says Thor overcame the "tar" to say he overcame the time delation?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Nice! An even better speed feat than Jane's brain surgery under Aaron.

Anyone ever browse through the first page of the vs. Forums? Abhil is like a gay candy man. Say Superman 3 times in the mirror and he'll appear behind you in Superman undies jerking off into JLA/Avengers.

We need to create a separate forum for Superman related threads. It's sad.
You two finished jerking off each other?

Funny how that fits your profile to a T. Say anything about Thor related and you come with a toy mjolnir sticking in your ass and swallowing another toy mjolnir.

It's sad how much this affects you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
"Time became tar."

Does it specifically says Thor overcame the "tar" to say he overcame the time delation?

"Time became tar."

hmm... Wut do you think that meant?

It means it looks like it had stopped, but was actually moving. Moving so slow that things seemed frozen.

There was a pause. Then you see him moving through it. Simple really.

I DESTROYED THE THOR CORPS!!!!

NOW THIS DAMN RAGNAROK MOVIE HAS GIVEN THEM NEW LIFE!!!

Originally posted by abhilegend
"Time became tar."

Does it specifically says Thor overcame the "tar" to say he overcame the time delation?



Huh?

If time became tar, and a single moment stretched into Infinity, but Thor was able to move, obviously he's overcoming the time dilation....

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who said it's a low showing?

Are you that retarded? Who said it's a low showing?

Jane isn't some skyfather under Aaron. If she beats Mangog, it will only reflect poorly on Odin.

So what was the point of mentioning it? To prove that Jane isn't consistently walking around at Skyfather levels? I don't think anyone ever argued that.

I however did make a point to note that Jane overcoming all logical limitations is not a stretch because she has the power of Thor. Thor is the greatest God in all of creation, including Odin, that's the running theme of this series.

Jane beating Mangog in a fist fight wouldn't even be the craziest feat in the series so far. The original Thor didn't just overcome Odin, he saved every single God in the MU. So your attempt to lowball Odin is worthless.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
"Time became tar."

hmm... Wut do you think that meant?

It means it looks like it had stopped, but was actually moving. Moving so slow that things seemed frozen.

There was a pause. Then you see him moving through it. Simple really.

Yes, but at what speed? Did it specify that Thor was moving at normal speed?

Otherwise it's not overcoming time dilation.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Huh?

If time became tar, and a single moment stretched into Infinity, but Thor was able to move, obviously he's overcoming the time dilation....

This is retarded. Single moment didn't stretch into infinity.

"Eternity echoed with wailing and gnashing of teeth. With the dying of Gods".

It's typical flowery language from Aaron showing Gods were dying.

And this is typical for Aaron.


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Doesn't mean Loki overcame time delation or whatever.

1) How is that typical for Aaron? Show me one instance where time being meddled with was mentioned and overcome means that wasn't raw power?

2) How does a realm where time is sick/diseased/broken/does not pass equivalent to Thor overcoming time being tar? Do you just throw shit at the wall until it sticks?

3) Also, was that really Aaron? Double check the writer. I don't have my comic drive on this laptop. Odin is almost too poised and respected to be Aaron.

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Mangog was viewed as an unstoppable force of Judgement by the Phoenix:
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Mjolnir was also able to hurt the Phoenix, again and it actually feared the hammer. I don't know what else Aaron has to do to make it clear Mangog is unstoppable and a Thor with Mjolnir is the only force in the Universe that can overcome it (With Odin not being what he once was). Again, just like Gorr.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How does a realm where no time passes equivalent to Thor overcoming time being tar?
Time passed there but also lay stagnant.

And where did Thor overcome time being tar? He moved at an unknown pace and tar can be navigated with sufficient force.

Aaron had a second writer to balance him but yes, he was the writer.

And? Phoenix doesn't has a very good record herself under Aaron.



Yeah, it's standard Doomsday scenario. Where only Superman can stop Doomsday.

Only Mangog is weaker, less tough version of Doomsday.

Abhilegend, how long do you THINK it took for Thor to move, considering that the bomb was killing more and more gods as they spoke?

And that between the scenes where Gorr was talking to King Thor and Gorr swung himself around to see what was going on, they were still in the same position. It was moments, and whatever was going on at the epicenter of that bomb, Thor was forced to overcome.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Abhilegend, how long do you THINK it took for Thor to move, considering that the bomb was killing more and more gods as they spoke?

And that between the scenes where Gorr was talking to King Thor and Gorr swung himself around to see what was going on, they were still in the same position. It was moments, and whatever was going on at the epicenter of that bomb, Thor was forced to overcome.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. If it was only moments for everyone, the time dilation wasn't much. If say it was days for everyone and moments for Thor, then we can say Thor overcome time dilation

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, but at what speed? Did it specify that Thor was moving at normal speed?

Otherwise it's not overcoming time dilation.

At the time of the explosion, we see Thor suspended in mid air right in the center(heart) of the godbomb. However he powers through it and actually moves through the time dilation. He moved fast enough to absorb the entirety of the black stuff and save the other gods were literally falling and dying at that very same moment. Keep in mind time had basically come to a standstill in the center.
https://imgur.com/tt2xi6f.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UbkNlFv.jpg

https://imgur.com/wmuZV2w.jpg




And just for reference, tar moves so slow that it looks solid to the naked eye. Can take years just for a tar pitch to drop.
https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2013/07/19/Pitch-is-a-liquid-finally-drips-after-69-years/3791374265046/

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2013/07/19/drip-from-tar-pitch-experiment-seen-for-the-first-time-ever/#.Wo-DgkxFw2w

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
At the time of the explosion, we see Thor suspended in mid air right in the center(heart) of the godbomb. However he powers through it and actually moves through the time dilation. He moved fast enough to absorb the entirety of the black stuff and save the other gods were literally falling and dying at that very same moment. Keep in mind time has basically come to a standstill inside.
https://imgur.com/tt2xi6f.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UbkNlFv.jpg

https://imgur.com/wmuZV2w.jpg


Time dilation wasn't much as outside the godbomb only a few moments passed for Gorr and King Thor.

It's the degree of time dilation that matters. Even Spider-Man has overcame slight time dilation.

More specifically, there is no mention of Thor using any kind of speed to overcome any time dilation.


I somehow doubt King Thor and Gorr were fighting for years outside godbomb.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. If it was only moments for everyone, the time dilation wasn't much. If say it was days for everyone and moments for Thor, then we can say Thor overcome time dilation

That dilation didn't spread outside of the god bomb itself, Thor was slowed and he moved within it at speeds he shouldn't have. Where is the lack of understanding?

It said "inside the heart of the god bomb", and seeing as how time was flowing regularly outside, it didn't take long for Thor to overcome it, but he did nevertheless.

I don't want to see you bitching when some troll lowballs a Superman feat.

But yeah, Thor may be close to Superboy in speed and strength.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superboy smash time freeze.

https://s6.postimg.org/42hmz2s8d/tmp-cam--1085503096.jpg https://s6.postimg.org/9f6hd7g4t/tmp-cam-393139241.jpg https://s6.postimg.org/lv376y9gt/tmp-cam--36838753.jpg https://s6.postimg.org/4j2ulifzh/tmp-cam-1138817008.jpg

Dat kryptoninan strength doe...

Maybe.

Originally posted by Damborgson
That dilation didn't spread outside of the god bomb itself, Thor was slowed and he moved within it at speeds he shouldn't have. Where is the lack of understanding?


Because you can only measure how much dilation is going on by comparing normal flow of time and what Thor went through.

And there is no mention of Thor needing speed to do it.

Eh? Even when Thor was "suspended", it didn't flow like days for King Thor and Gorr.

I know it's only one kind of feat for Thor but don't get too excited.



Like Rage/Celey leave any chance for that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because you can only measure how much dilation is going on by comparing normal flow of time and what Thor went through.

And there is no mention of Thor needing speed to do it.

Eh? Even when Thor was "suspended", it didn't flow like days for King Thor and Gorr.

I know it's only one kind of feat for Thor but don't get too excited.



Like Rage/Celey leave any chance for that.

Only you can look at a feat, and say it's not a feat, because it doesn't specify it. Despite looking right at it.
I guess Superman didn't no sell a planet exploding, because no text confirmed it? I know I can see it but...I really need that text.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Time dilation wasn't much as outside the godbomb only a few moments passed for Gorr and King Thor.

It's the degree of time dilation that matters. Even Spider-Man has overcame slight time dilation.

More specifically, there is no mention of Thor using any kind of speed to overcome any time dilation.


I somehow doubt King Thor and Gorr were fighting for years outside godbomb.
Uggh....

Time moving like tar is pretty much a metaphor for time moving so slow that it's in a virtual standstill.
He moved through a virtual standstill. Not really difficult to follow.

Outside of the time dilation, gods were choking on black death while time was moving normally. However in that virtual standstill, he moved fast enough to save all the dying gods.

And just caught this.
Originally posted by abhilegend


And where did Thor overcome time being tar? He moved at an unknown pace and tar can be navigated with sufficient force.


Wtf? The metaphor is going right over your head. "Tar can be navigagted with sufficient force"? Lol.. wtf.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Only you can look at a feat, and say it's not a feat, because it doesn't specify it. Despite looking right at it.
I guess Superman didn't no sell a planet exploding, because no text confirmed it? I know I can see it but...I really need that text.

I didn't say it's not a feat. Just that the degree of time delation was never showed to be higher than say a few moments slower.

Now you are just talking like Celey.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Uggh....

Time moving like tar is pretty much a metaphor for time moving so slow that it's in a virtual standstill.
He moved through a virtual standstill. Not really difficult to follow.


Is it now? How come King Thor and Gorr never mentioned it like he was standing still in time.

And its not metaphor for time to stand still.

That's just laughable. Time wasn't standing still all of a sudden. When it does, it's stated by characters outside the time warp.

No such statements were made.



Never moved anything in a tarpit, have you?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I didn't say it's not a feat. Just that the degree of time delation was never showed to be higher than say a few moments slower.

Now you are just talking like Celey.

That's not what tar is like.

I'm immigrating you actually. At least you saw it was illogical.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Abhilegend, how long do you THINK it took for Thor to move, considering that the bomb was killing more and more gods as they spoke?

And that between the scenes where Gorr was talking to King Thor and Gorr swung himself around to see what was going on, they were still in the same position. It was moments, and whatever was going on at the epicenter of that bomb, Thor was forced to overcome.

Didn't the bomb affect every god at every time? Gorr said that thor was meeting death at every single second of his life, like every other god. This bomb was a time bomb so that it affected every god at all time. imo time became tar like in a chimney because a time bomb had gone off. Navigating through burnt up time isn't a speed feat.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Didn't the bomb affect every god at every time? Gorr said that thor was meeting death at every single second of his life, like every other god. This bomb was a time bomb so that it affected every god at all time. imo time became tar like in a chimney because a time bomb had gone off. Navigating through burnt up time isn't a speed feat.


https://media1.tenor.com/images/90feb35b239103493c608982a6236322/tenor.gif

It was only within the god bomb itself.

Jesus christ when did Quentin Quire become a ****ing sjw shitter

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is it now? How come King Thor and Gorr never mentioned it like he was standing still in time.

And its not metaphor for time to stand still.
Why would they have to mention something narration itself just made clear.

You expect them to say "omg, Thor is in a time dilation"? Lol..
For all we know they didn't even notice since Thor moved through it fairly quickly judging by him moving fast enough to save all the dying gods.

Originally posted by abhilegend

That's just laughable. Time wasn't standing still all of a sudden. When it does, it's stated by characters outside the time warp.

No such statements were made.



Never moved anything in a tarpit, have you?
Abhi... The godbomb was "infused by the chonomancy of the time lords of chronux". Time magic was a major component. "At the heart" of the explosion, "time had become tar". Metaphor for something moving so slow that it looks like it's not moving at all. Not hard to fathom considering the bomb itself was infused with time magic.
https://i.imgur.com/XXCdY16.jpg

In this country when someone says you're moving as slow as molasses, it means you are moving phukkin slow like your brain is in this thread.
If someone says you're moving like tar... Well.... You may as well not move at all.

Anyways..
Peace and luv my tarpit swimming friend.

Originally posted by Damborgson
https://media1.tenor.com/images/90feb35b239103493c608982a6236322/tenor.gif

It was only within the god bomb itself.

So a bomb goes off and time becomes putty? Lame logic i mean gif.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...current Superman is new Superman. Do you want me to call him old Superman?

Its just Superman. He's the same.

Originally posted by Damborgson
That's not what tar is like.

I'm immigrating you actually. At least you saw it was illogical.
Do you know what tar is? It's not some immovable object.

Look how Celey diverted the topic. It's the same.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Why would they have to mention something narration itself just made clear.


That time was standing still? Where is that said?

They saw him doing exactly what he was doing. Gorr was saying what he is doing and King Thor says he is dying like a God.

To move the effect of the bomb on all gods across the time.

It never says that time would stand still inside the bomb.

Yeah, real life examples are so useful here.

You too tarpit overcoming speedster.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Do you know what tar is? It's not some immovable object.

Look how Celey diverted the topic. It's the same.

Yeah, yeah.

You already agreed he went through a time slowing effect, so works for me

Originally posted by abhilegend
Time passed there but also lay stagnant.

And where did Thor overcome time being tar? He moved at an unknown pace and tar can be navigated with sufficient force.

Aaron had a second writer to balance him but yes, he was the writer.

And? Phoenix doesn't has a very good record herself under Aaron.

Yeah, it's standard Doomsday scenario. Where only Superman can stop Doomsday.

Only Mangog is weaker, less tough version of Doomsday.

In the God Bomb. Time was stopped or close to it, Thor moved regardless.

The Phoenix was described as a literal Universal force capable of ending creation and burning it to a crisp.

Can someone please just ask Aaron on twitter about this? He can reply and we can end this discussion and not detail this thread.

Damborgson, Celey, don't reply to Abhil anymore. It literally stifles all conversation and buries any interesting posts or scans in like minutes over the same shit being recurgetated over and over. Terrible for conversations. Let's get some other posters in here, hell, even Philo. Just so we can have some lively conversations. This shit is a lot more fun and enjoyable when we aren't spending ten pages arguing that what was stated on panel is what happened.

Darksaint, xjlking, dieseldudes, share your opinions! Let's have some dick measuring the fun way!

Originally posted by Damborgson
Yeah, yeah.

You already agreed he went through a time slowing effect, so works for me
Yeah he went through time dilation. Not much of it though.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In the God Bomb. Time was stopped or close to it, Thor moved regardless.


Proof of this?

Phoenix has a lot of lip service. In actual practice it's not so good.

Go ahead.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Damborgson, Celey, don't reply to Abhil anymore. It literally stifles all conversation and buries any interesting posts or scans in like minutes over the same shit being recurgetated over and over. Terrible for conversations. Let's get some other posters in here, hell, even Philo. Just so we can have some lively conversations. This shit is a lot more fun and enjoyable when we aren't spending ten pages arguing that what was stated on panel is what happened.

Darksaint, xjlking, dieseldudes, share your opinions! Let's have some dick measuring the fun way!
Says the guy who just replied to me.

Afraid of me, eh rage?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Yeah, yeah.

You already agreed he went through a time slowing effect, so works for me Let's try an analogy...

Him being dropped in that location where time became tar, would be the equivalent of me dropping you in the water and telling you to run, you'd agree, no?

But you can still run in water, even if slower. Does that mean you have super speed? Of course not.

On the other hand, what abhi is trying to say, is that if it was specified that every second there is like an minute/hour etc. outside, then we'd know that Thor is 60/3600 etc. times faster than 'normal. This is not the case.

That's why he brought up the 'days' thing. If you're dropped into a region of space where 1 second for you is 5 days for the one outside, and you accelerate so fast that you're catching up to what is outside, it would mean you're 60 (seconds) * 60 (minutes) * 24 (hours) * 5 (days) faster than normal so that a second outside would be the equivalent of a second inside.

Then, to draw a comparison to that, he pointed out that the time outside Thor's bubble, even as he was standing still and hadn't began moving, wasn't passing ridiculously fast compared to him, so it means that the relative difference in time passage is insignificant.

Makes sense?

Originally posted by h1a8
Should be a stalemate. Superman's perception of Mangog should allow him not to get hit if he didn't want to.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That time was standing still? Where is that said?

They saw him doing exactly what he was doing. Gorr was saying what he is doing and King Thor says he is dying like a God.

To move the effect of the bomb on all gods across the time.

It never says that time would stand still inside the bomb.

Yeah, real life examples are so useful here.

You too tarpit overcoming speedster.
Yeah. They saw Thor picking up the hammers in mid air and smashing them together. Then he proceeded to absorb the black stuff. It didn't indicate whether they knew there was a time distortion or maybe if they were within the distortion themselves, but had no effect. They were after all beyond Thor's level.

Yes. We know it was to affect gods in different timelines. But the mere fact there was time magic involved, it's not inconceivable a time dilation resulted from such an explosion. We know there was a time dilation because the book actually pointed it out.

And as for the flow of time outside the field of distortion, it depends on whose perception or point of view.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VUO1uECVhOs/UwLXYdAsGNI/AAAAAAAAT8U/I2-B4jn2Bk8/s1600/-005.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Fe_Bl08Yt84/UwLXbMDeAdI/AAAAAAAAT88/J9ry6HC5HxM/s1600/-012.jpg

He powered through time dilation and moved fast enough to save the dying gods.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yeah. They saw Thor picking up the hammers in mid air and smashing them together. Then he proceeded to absorb the black stuff. It didn't indicate whether they knew there was a time distortion or maybe if they were within the distortion themselves, but had no effect. They were after all beyond Thor's level.

It indicates how much time dilation was there. Answer : not much.

It wasn't shown hence it wasn't there. End of the discussion.

Because that's just localized time manipulation and she just speeded time up. Hence why one character is surprised to see other one.



Good luck with that.

So how much time was passing outside the bubble.

I posted scans of Bloodthirst putting Superman in a "time bubble" that claimex days and nights were passing in moments, from his perspective. Until he managed to speed up to normal time.

Posted the scans many times, and no one cared, so pardon me for insisting on some proof of how great this feat is. Before I get to be the one blowing feats off.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Its definitely different than how I'd interpreted it. And yes, it makes more sense now.

But here's I guess where the confusion lies for me.

The water analogy makes sense of course, just because its difficult to move doesn't mean your super fast, but what if you start moving normally?

The feat isn't clear, and its not an indication of super forum speed, but it does indeed look like Thor is held up at first, then powers through it. /shrug

Do you see it as a feat at all? In one manifestation or another? I'd put it in the willpower/endurance category, tbh, and I think that was how the scene was intended. It's really meaningless as any sort of speed feat.

Lol.. There's no rule on when a feat should be considered just because the writer didn't put a magnifying glass and focus on certain things that happened in a scene.

If the board only accepted feats in such a narrow point of view, do u know how many feats cam be simply hand waived away? Heck Most of us if not all have retrieved feats from the most inconspicuous parts of a scene.

What we do know for sure is that Aaron had Thor overcome some really crazy shiet in that scene. It doesn't really matter if he didn't expand upon this particular portion of the whole.

It's there and it happened.

Yeah, yeah,whatever. You can start paddling this BS somewhere else. I've already said everything about it.

Thread derailed, mission accomplished, right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, yeah,whatever. You can start paddling this BS somewhere else. I've already said everything about it.

Thread derailed, mission accomplished, right?
Okay there Mr. Subspace routes

You know it... Mangog.

superman throws mangog to the sun

Originally posted by Insane Titan
No bfr

Who wins

Didn't Mangog bite chunks out of an enchanted Uru hammer that survived the destruction of it's native dimension? People still under the impression that he's weak?

Originally posted by Stoic
Didn't Mangog bite chunks out of an enchanted Uru hammer that survived the destruction of it's native dimension? People still under the impression that he's weak?
He also died in the sun so yeah lol

Originally posted by xJLxKing
He also died in the sun so yeah lol

He didn't die. Superman was also one shot by Helspont. So we can pull lows out the ass all day if you'd like?

helspont would one shot mangog too
so not really low

Superman tears Mangog apart.

Easily, once he gets pissed enough.

Small godling, small world and all.

Mangog had one low showing versus most being pretty high JLX. If you can't see how you low balled then I don't know what to tell you, except that Superman has also had plenty of low showings, which was my point. We both know this. Let's not pretend that Mangog is weak and move on.

And MrMind, what are you basing your opinion on, because your statement at this point is awfully weak.

And now Panthergod is making claims that Superman is the Hulk, and that all he has to do is get angry enough.

Originally posted by Stoic
Mangog had one low showing versus most being pretty high JLX. If you can't see how you low balled then I don't know what to tell you, except that Superman has also had plenty of low showings, which was my point. We both know this. Let's not pretend that Mangog is weak and move on.


No, you're totally wrong on this one, sorry


You can''t say "mangog had a nice showing, he chewed off Uru" in the thor 705, but refuse to even admit that in the same arc, Uru was treated as garbage by the same writer. It doesnt work that way

You cant pick and choose what you want to accept so your argument.

Either
1. Mangog chewed off the Uru because the writer doesn't see it as being strong. It's why it got both chewed off and it able to get HEAVILY damaged by a star. That means that Mangog showing isn't that good
OR
2. Uru is very durable and the showing is extremely high by Mangog but at the same time



Again, this isn't the same thing as low balling. You're deliberately ignoring the entire arc and using other authors interpretation to build on a feat but disregarding other stuff.

Originally posted by Stoic
Mangog had one low showing versus most being pretty high JLX. If you can't see how you low balled then I don't know what to tell you, except that Superman has also had plenty of low showings, which was my point. We both know this. Let's not pretend that Mangog is weak and move on.

And MrMind, what are you basing your opinion on, because your statement at this point is awfully weak.

And now Panthergod is making claims that Superman is the Hulk, and that all he has to do is get angry enough.

No, I'm claiming that Superman is Superman. the fact that you know nothing relevant about this character and his power mechanics isn't my problem.

A sufficently motivated Superman tears Mangog apart easier than he did Mangog's superior Doomsday, while he was weakened on multiple levels.

Cry about that.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
No, you're totally wrong on this one, sorry


You can''t say "mangog had a nice showing, he chewed off Uru" in the thor 705, but refuse to even admit that in the same arc, Uru was treated as garbage by the same writer. It doesnt work that way

You cant pick and choose what you want to accept so your argument.

Either
1. Mangog chewed off the Uru because the writer doesn't see it as being strong. It's why it got both chewed off and it able to get HEAVILY damaged by a star. That means that Mangog showing isn't that good
OR
2. Uru is very durable and the showing is extremely high by Mangog but at the same time



Again, this isn't the same thing as low balling. You're deliberately ignoring the entire arc and using other authors interpretation to build on a feat but disregarding other stuff.

Beth g engulfed by a star when you can't fly is a low showing? How? It actually makes perfect sense, but again Mangog isn't dead. Look at all of the feats that Mjolnir had under that same writer, and yes the hammer survived the destruction of its native dimension. That's enough to realize that it was extremely durable. You do realize that I'm talki g about Ultimate Mjolnir right? If Mangog can chew through a magical weapon that survived the destruction of its native dimension, then I it shows an enormous keel of strength.

Originally posted by panthergod
No, I'm claiming that Superman is Superman. the fact that you know nothing relevant about this character and his power mechanics isn't my problem.

A sufficently motivated Superman tears Mangog apart easier than he did Mangog's superior Doomsday, while he was weakened on multiple levels.

Cry about that.

Actually you appear to 've the one crying a lot and making an absolute ads of yourself. I'll take tour response as you saying that you know norhing, because your head is filled with shit. Get it ? Shithead

Originally posted by Stoic
Actually you appear to 've the one crying a lot and making an absolute ads of yourself. I'll take tour response as you saying that you know norhing, because your head is filled with shit. Get it ? Shithead

So let's add laughable goofball illiteracy to your established record of stupidity and ignorance. Please, continue demonstrating your utter inability to display accurate knowledge about this character.

Amuse me some more, puppet.

Mangog? Death by sun heat? ... damn, this "current" Mangog must've been downgraded.

Mangog has tanked, unharmed, blasts that can tear a sun apart.

Funny thing, it was supposedly his most powerful form. It was implied that Mango may even be above Phoenix(silly). Me thinks Aaron didn't know how to handle him after giving him all this implied power so he tried to end him the lazy way.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Funny thing, it was supposedly his most powerful form.
Hardly ...

Mangog, no solds, (unharmed) "an energy beam powerful enough to tear apart the core of a star"

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/24146927_Mangog_Tuff1.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/24146928_Mangog_Tuff2.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/24146929_Mangog_Tuff3.jpg

Mangog tanks Odin's stellar scale attack:

Odin's blast lit up space like a sun going nova:

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/24161053_Odin_power1.jpg

But the result ... no use vs Mangog:

https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/40814353_OD.jpg

"the demon is unstoppable"

I get wut ure saying. I'm just pointing out Aaron's inconsistency when it came to Mango and especially his apparent death.

Everything leading up to him getting dumped in the sun was pretty beastly. He was doing things that were so ridiculous that you could almost believe he was more powerful than ever like travelling through space w/o flight. He was literally jumping planet to planet at massively ftl speeds. Also chomping off the Destroyer's arm? Yeesh!!...

Even though Aaron did add that bit with the use of "indestructible" chain to bind him so he wouldn't end up just jumping out of the sun again, it still left a bad taste in the mouth.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I get wut ure saying. I'm just pointing out Aaron's inconsistency when it came to Mango and especially his apparent death.

Everything leading up to him getting dumped in the sun was pretty beastly. He was doing things that were so ridiculous that you could almost believe he was more powerful than ever like travelling through space w/o flight. He was literally jumping planet to planet at massively ftl speeds. Also chomping off the Destroyer's arm? Yeesh!!...

Even though Aaron did add that bit with the use of "indestructible" chain to bind him so he wouldn't end up just jumping out of the sun again, it still left a bad taste in the mouth.

Yeah, it was weird:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11132/111321350/6293797-the+mighty+thor+%282015-%29+704-010.jpg

"Star-Shattering Superbombs"

locolaugh

Casket of Ancient Winters.

Keep in mind, it was heavily implied (If not outright stated) that the Mangog > Phoenix Force as seen. A few issues earlier, Jane Foster diverted a Super-Nova sized comet, and the PF was said to burn with a fire capable of wiping the Universe clean.

The Sun death was a really weird way to end it off, but I really don't understand why people harp on it so much. Superman could easily die in the Sun if the writer chose him to (Wasn't he dying in the core of the Earth in the JL?) and that's his source of power.

The Mother Storm could sweep through Galaxies and Mangog was competitive with it power-wise apparently.

Like I said. This should be a stalemate since Bfr is off and Mangog won't touch Superman if he doesn't want to be touched.

Actually, Superman's HV should win in this case.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Casket of Ancient Winters.

Keep in mind, it was heavily implied (If not outright stated) that the Mangog > Phoenix Force as seen. A few issues earlier, Jane Foster diverted a Super-Nova sized comet, and the PF was said to burn with a fire capable of wiping the Universe clean.

The Sun death was a really weird way to end it off, but I really don't understand why people harp on it so much. Superman could easily die in the Sun if the writer chose him to (Wasn't he dying in the core of the Earth in the JL?) and that's his source of power.

The Mother Storm could sweep through Galaxies and Mangog was competitive with it power-wise apparently.

Lol and you don't see why people harp on it?

Burgers fuel me. Doesn't mean I can't OD on them or whatever.

Otoh, you're talking about GALAXY level this and UNIVERSE level that....and a itty bitty Sun is enough to end the Mangog. The levels are just insanely different. A single Galaxy alone has about 250 BILLION stars....but a single one is enough for Mangog.

That's the difference.

Originally posted by h1a8
Like I said. This should be a stalemate since Bfr is off and Mangog won't touch Superman if he doesn't want to be touched.

Actually, Superman's HV should win in this case.

Well, that, and he can just physically beat the shit out of Mangog.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol and you don't see why people harp on it?

Burgers fuel me. Doesn't mean I can't OD on them or whatever.

Otoh, you're talking about GALAXY level this and UNIVERSE level that....and a itty bitty Sun is enough to end the Mangog. The levels are just insanely different. A single Galaxy alone has about 250 BILLION stars....but a single one is enough for Mangog.

That's the difference.

....Because everyone in this thread has been reading comic books for years....?

The inconsistency is obvious, especially since Thor can swim through Stars under the same writer. Even jarring and confusing. However, it is ultimately rather pointless. It was a plot device from an idiotic writer who had written himself in a corner.

You can argue that Superman can win by flying Mangog into the Sun (More likely he gets his head bitten off getting that close for such a prolonged period) I guess but that's about as impactful as it is in most threads.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
....Because everyone in this thread has been reading comic books for years....?

The inconsistency is obvious, especially since Thor can swim through Stars under the same writer. Even jarring and confusing. However, it is ultimately rather pointless. It was a plot device from an idiotic writer who had written himself in a corner.

You can argue that Superman can win by flying Mangog into the Sun (More likely he gets his head bitten off getting that close for such a prolonged period) I guess but that's about as impactful as it is in most threads.

Where has Mangog demonstrated the ability to bite Superman's head off?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
....Because everyone in this thread has been reading comic books for years....?

The inconsistency is obvious, especially since Thor can swim through Stars under the same writer. Even jarring and confusing. However, it is ultimately rather pointless. It was a plot device from an idiotic writer who had written himself in a corner.

You can argue that Superman can win by flying Mangog into the Sun (More likely he gets his head bitten off getting that close for such a prolonged period) I guess but that's about as impactful as it is in most threads. are you trying to argue for a different version of mangog other then the current one?
I assume we use the current one, the one that died in the sun

Originally posted by xJLxKing
are you trying to argue for a different version of mangog other then the current one?
I assume we use the current one, the one that died in the sun
No. Why would you think that?

Superman's HV is hotter than the Sun.

lol at Mangog dying via stellar heat. That's utter nonsense.

classic Mangog was threatening universal destruction. (not Eternity/Infinity,
but rather everything inside the universe, eg. stars, planets yada, yada)

Odin was literally afraid of him.
When Odin tried to attack Mangog with all of asgard's armies,
they all got wtfstomped one-shot style by Mangog. (Odin even got k.o'd)

Mangog withstood )no sold) unharmed a weapon that tears apart the core of stars.

Mangog tanked Odin's mightiest attack for that story,
it was so spectacular, that the blast lit up space like a star going nova.
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his feat, including teleporting asgard to another universe, drained Odin completely.

Mangog? Kept on stomping afterward.

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But forget that cause this is a "new" Mangog (under different writer)

cool, but the writer is a phuking idiot indeed if he's going to make us think via character dialogue,
that Mangog can't be stopped by the Casket of Winters, or star-shattering bombs,
or the freakin Phoenix Force, which can definitely eat a sun.
yet, Mangog gets owned by a sun, a PF lunch.

Dumb shit son. Let's be real.

Originally posted by Mr Master
lol at Mangog dying via stellar heat. That's utter nonsense.

classic Mangog was threatening universal destruction. (not Eternity/Infinity,
but rather everything inside the universe, eg. stars, planets yada, yada)

Odin was literally afraid of him.
When Odin tried to attack Mangog with all of asgard's armies,
they all got wtfstomped one-shot style by Mangog. (Odin even got k.o'd)

Mangog withstood )no sold) unharmed a weapon that tears apart the core of stars.

Mangog tanked Odin's mightiest attack for that story,
it was so spectacular, that the blast lit up space like a star going nova.
T
his feat, including teleporting asgard to another universe, drained Odin completely.

Mangog? Kept on stomping afterward.

------------------------------------------

But forget that cause this is a "new" Mangog (under different writer)

cool, but the writer is a phuking idiot indeed if he's going to make us think via character dialogue,
that Mangog can't be stopped by the Casket of Winters, or star-shattering bombs,
or the freakin Phoenix Force, which can definitely eat a sun.
yet, Mangog gets owned by a sun, a PF lunch.

Dumb shit son. Let's be real.

Well although this has nothing to do with the current thread, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

In my opinion, it is dumb for most characters to survive inside a star for a prolonged period. It contradicts 99% of their showings.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well although this has nothing to do with the current thread, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

In my opinion, it is dumb for most characters to survive inside a star for a prolonged period. It contradicts 99% of their showings.

Except for characters that have intestines that are capable of not only surviving Mjolnir's god blast, but actually eating it, and shooting it back out. His end was plot based, itwas in no way the end of Mangog.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
....Because everyone in this thread has been reading comic books for years....?

The inconsistency is obvious, especially since Thor can swim through Stars under the same writer. Even jarring and confusing. However, it is ultimately rather pointless. It was a plot device from an idiotic writer who had written himself in a corner.

You can argue that Superman can win by flying Mangog into the Sun (More likely he gets his head bitten off getting that close for such a prolonged period) I guess but that's about as impactful as it is in most threads.

Well yeah, it's like SBP vs the Titans all over again....So on that angle I'm not surprised.

It's just how glaring it was....In the same issue Aaron is talking about the Casket of Ancient Winters and star shattering superbombs, Odin is quaking in fear etc etc (OK maybe an exaggeration but still)...

I mean, even Mr Master's write-up doesn't sound implausible for Mangog...All the way until the final couple of pages.

Mangog did really good, then he did really bad. Be like Thor soloing Venom and Carnage or someone he wouldn't normally be able to beat and then losing to a frag grenade.

With that said, Mangog throws Superman into the sun.

Originally posted by Stoic
Except for characters that have intestines that are capable of not only surviving Mjolnir's god blast, but actually eating it, and shooting it back out. His end was plot based, itwas in no way the end of Mangog.

Surviving inside the sun is also a pressure feat.