MCU Super Soldier Ranking

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Robtard
How would you rank MCU's various super-soldier/human formulas in terms of power/abilities provided to the recipient?

-Method used to create the Red Skull

-Method used to create Captain America

-Method used to create the Winter Soldiers

-Method used to create the Black Panthers

Blindside12
Wow A Robtard Thread.

relentless1
at this point it would appear that Panthers way is superior, hes faster than Steve as we saw in the chase scene in Civil War and hes arguably just as strong seen when they fought evenly and struggled with each other over Caps shield at one point.

Either him or Cap though surely

FrothByte
I have to disagree with the panthers. As of now, we have no idea just how durable they are without their suits. We know Cap is tough enough to go h2h with IM for a bit. I'm unsure if an unarmored T'Challa can do the same.

Robtard
While it can be argued that Tony wasn't trying to kill Cap and therefore held back, Cap still has several impressive durability feats:

-Chitauri rifle blast to the gut
-Repeated punches from WS' metal arm (it can dent concrete and IM's armor)
-4 bullets and iirc, 2 knife stabbings

Also of note, unarmored T'Challa did worse against WS than shieldless Cap did.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by Robtard
How would you rank MCU's various super-soldier/human formulas in terms of power/abilities provided to the recipient?

-Method used to create the Red Skull

-Method used to create Captain America

-Method used to create the Winter Soldiers

-Method used to create the Black Panthers

Cap's SSS is the best. Red Skull tried to replicate the formula, we also know that the Hulk was the result of a failure attempt to recreate the formula.

We've seen Cap reaching levels of resistance, strength, and agility unrival by the other Super Soldiers.

TheVaultDweller
The Mark 2 Winter Soldiers seemed pretty potent. One of them looked to be outmuscling Bucky's robo arm with their human arms, something even Steve can't do. Only issue with those guys is they seemed to have permanent roidrage going.

Khazra Reborn
As of now, gotta go with Steve, until T'Charlie has more showings without his suit.

wakkawakkawakka
Well Captain America was the only one out of the western bunch, Red Skull and the WS', to be made a SS using the actual process for it. In terms of raw stats he has the best feats.

The heart herb seems to have more agile user though.

TethAdamTheRock
The other Hydra Soldiers (In CW) Overpowered Winter Soldiers metal arm.

Just like spiderman did.

So Hydra.

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by Robtard
While it can be argued that Tony wasn't trying to kill Cap and therefore held back, Cap still has several impressive durability feats:

-Chitauri rifle blast to the gut
-Repeated punches from WS' metal arm (it can dent concrete and IM's armor)
-4 bullets and iirc, 2 knife stabbings

Also of note, unarmored T'Challa did worse against WS than shieldless Cap did.
Its not that clean though. In CW Cap got KTFOd by Bucky during tha latter's escape while T'challa was smacking him around. And not even in one of their 3 fights did T'challa remotely seem to be threatened by Bucky, suit or no suit. Can't say the same for Steve.

John Murdoch
T'Challa's heart-shaped herb or Steve's SSS.

FrothByte
Cap's serum was able to change a man's bone structure and muscle mass. None of the other ss solutions were strong enough to do that.

Arachnid1
IDK Red Skull was pretty evenly matched against Cap in hand to hand, and Cap even had his shield. He even seemed to have the edge for the majority of the fight, with Cap getting in a hit here and there. It's either Cap or him IMO, though I'm leaning towards Red Skull.

FrothByte
Originally posted by Arachnid1
IDK Red Skull was pretty evenly matched against Cap in hand to hand, and Cap even had his shield. He even seemed to have the edge for the majority of the fight, with Cap getting in a hit here and there. It's either Cap or him IMO, though I'm leaning towards Red Skull.

Yes but Red Skull's serum didn't convert him from a 90 pound asthmatic weakling. Meaning the serum improved him less than it did Steve.

Mindset
Didn't Red Skull's serum make him Cap's equal, it just phucked his face up/skin?

TheVaultDweller
Red Skull seemed comparable to Steve in the first film. But Steve in the first film also visibly strained to bend an already partially bent piece of railing, but can currently pin down helicopters. Also, Steve is a WAY better fighter than he was back then, so there is no guarantee a rematch would go even remotely the same as the first fight did. Cap has become far more skilled, experienced and used to his powers since then.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by Mindset
Didn't Red Skull's serum make him Cap's equal, it just phucked his face up/skin?

No.

The serum Red Skull took wasn't the same Cap took. Cap's serum is the original one.

Red Skull on the other had took an "imperfect" version of the serum.
He got super abilities that's for sure, but it was never cap's equal.

Mindset
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No.

The serum Red Skull took wasn't the same Cap took. Cap's serum is the original one.

Red Skull on the other had took an "imperfect" version of the serum.
He got super abilities that's for sure, but it was never cap's equal. It's beside the point whether they were different serums.

He appeared to be his equal.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Red Skull seemed comparable to Steve in the first film. But Steve in the first film also visibly strained to bend an already partially bent piece of railing, but can currently pin down helicopters. Also, Steve is a WAY better fighter than he was back then, so there is no guarantee a rematch would go even remotely the same as the first fight did. Cap has become far more skilled, experienced and used to his powers since then. Well yea, probably because he kept training.

NemeBro
Originally posted by FrothByte
Cap's serum was able to change a man's bone structure and muscle mass. None of the other ss solutions were strong enough to do that. This is actually a great point. From what we can tell, the other SS serums were used on already fairly fit, strong men (or was Panther also a weak manlet? Not seen yet). Cap's SS serum was applied to a 90 pound five foot tall asthmatic weakling who couldn't win a fight with a thirteen year old girl. That Cap's serum arguably has the best physical feats of any serum user independently while also having by far the least formidable base form clinches it tbh.

Imagine if Bucky was given the serum instead of Steve. He'd be over seven feet tall and be able to toss tanks around.

TheVaultDweller
Originally posted by NemeBro
(or was Panther also a weak manlet? Not seen yet).

Nope. Even without the power of the herb, T'Challa is a fit and muscular (if somewhat lean) individual.

Mindset
Originally posted by NemeBro
This is actually a great point. From what we can tell, the other SS serums were used on already fairly fit, strong men (or was Panther also a weak manlet? Not seen yet). Cap's SS serum was applied to a 90 pound five foot tall asthmatic weakling who couldn't win a fight with a thirteen year old girl. That Cap's serum arguably has the best physical feats of any serum user independently while also having by far the least formidable base form clinches it tbh.

Imagine if Bucky was given the serum instead of Steve. He'd be over seven feet tall and be able to toss tanks around.
It brings you to a physical peak; so if they used it on Steve and he was already 6ft whatever, that doesn't mean it'd make him grow another foot.

John Murdoch
CRUCIAL QUESTION, POSSIBLY THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION EVER ASKED ON THIS SITE:

Will taking the SSS make me grow from 5'6" to 6'4"? If so, I choose that one over heart-shaped herb. Not that I'm insecure about my height or anything....................

Robtard
It helped a 90lbs 5'1" manling, it can help you.

The_Tempest
It's also important to note, I think, that all Red Skull seemed to do in the flashback in CA:TFA was inject himself intravenously with the SS.

Meanwhile Cap was injected, put in some sort of suped-up iron maiden, and blasted with laser beams. Might also help explain the significant changes in height, mass, and bone density.

TheVaultDweller
Well, everyone else just got a form of SSS IIRC. I think Steve was the only one who got the SSS/Vitae ray combo.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by Mindset
It's beside the point whether they were different serums.

He appeared to be his equal.
Well yea, probably because he kept training.

Yeah, they were stats wise comparable.

The problem is that the serum Red Skull took gave him mental issues. The serum wasn't optimized/perfect. In contrast Cap was given the optimum serum, the correct one.

See it like Red Skull took a prototype of Cap's serum.

h1a8
Originally posted by Robtard
While it can be argued that Tony wasn't trying to kill Cap and therefore held back, Cap still has several impressive durability feats:

-Chitauri rifle blast to the gut
-Repeated punches from WS' metal arm (it can dent concrete and IM's armor)
-4 bullets and iirc, 2 knife stabbings

Also of note, unarmored T'Challa did worse against WS than shieldless Cap did.

Fiction isn't consistent as real life physics are.
A character busting a planet in one scene with a punch does not mean they are applying that same level of force in another scene. You can't equate feats with other feats. Rather, you can use the average showing to equate in another feat.


Characters physical stats are PLOT base and fluctuate from scene to scene.


On average, Cap's skin is not much more durable than a human's.
He can be cut very easily, bullets pass through him just as easy as a human, etc. His muscles are tougher and more durable, possibly his bones too.

I would say that WS punching Cap with metal arm is a low showing for WS and not a high one for Cap.

In what part did WS dent IM armor?

h1a8
Originally posted by Robtard
How would you rank MCU's various super-soldier/human formulas in terms of power/abilities provided to the recipient?

-Method used to create the Red Skull

-Method used to create Captain America

-Method used to create the Winter Soldiers

-Method used to create the Black Panthers

Cap
BP
RS
WS


But if you judge strength on leaping ability then

BP
Cap
RS
WS

John Murdoch
Originally posted by Robtard
It helped a 90lbs 5'1" manling, it can help you.

Amen.

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