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TPM Jinn.

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RotS Kenobi.

versus

RotS Tyranus.

Dooku wrecks. He already casually took down Obi-Wan in Ep. 3, who at that time was noted as the best defensive saber duelist in the galaxy. And Qui-Gon had almost no feats to his name, so going by those alone he doesn't even bring as much to the table as Anakin.

Dooku wrecks.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
TPM Jinn.

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RotS Kenobi.

versus

RotS Tyranus.

Depends on the scenario.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
TPM Jinn.

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RotS Kenobi.

versus

RotS Tyranus.

Where does this battle takes place Stiltman.

Kenobi as badass as he was as proven several times he don't belong fighting Dooku and adding Qui-Gon helps but ultimately they both will die.

Dooku wins easily

Dooku

A far inferior duo (Ventress and Opress) gave Dooku hell in TCW. And of course Kenobi did what Dooku couldnt when he defeated Anakin.

That said the duo loses here, just because Dooku seems to have Kenobis number every time they face each other.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
A far inferior duo (Ventress and Opress) gave Dooku hell in TCW. And of course Kenobi did what Dooku couldnt when he defeated Anakin.

That said the duo loses here, just because Dooku seems to have Kenobis number every time they face each other.

Savage Oppress is inferior? Assajj is inferior? Lol thats funny.

Dooku wins:

- Dooku already had a check in the win column against Obi-Wan and Anakin from AotC.
- Dooku manhandled Obi-Wan in RotS.
- Qui-Gon isn't an Anakin Skywalker, so it's game over for the duo here.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
A far inferior duo (Ventress and Opress) gave Dooku hell in TCW. And of course Kenobi did what Dooku couldnt when he defeated Anakin.

That said the duo loses here, just because Dooku seems to have Kenobis number every time they face each other.

It would all depend ultimatly where the fight takes place.

If its an open field then the team wins. If it's in a close quarters scenerio Dooku most likely.

I agree, in the long term it can be argued that Kenobi》》 Dooku.

Dooku stomps

Originally posted by KingD19
Savage Oppress is inferior? Assajj is inferior? Lol thats funny.


Clearly you didnt finish watching Clone Wars. Because yeah Opress is massively inferior to Kenobi.

Hence the DUO being massively inferior.

Qui-Gon and Ventress are likely approx on par going by her fight against other Jedi Masters like Luminara.

Originally posted by KingD19
Savage Oppress is inferior? Assajj is inferior? Lol thats funny. I laughed as welll.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Where does this battle takes place Stiltman.

1st round - featureless environment, standard rules... think "empty white room", with just floor, seemingly endless, no walls or ceiling.


2nd round - they fight in Palpatine's throneroom from RotJ.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
1st round - featureless environment, standard rules... think "empty white room", with just floor, seemingly endless, no walls or ceiling.


2nd round - they fight in Palpatine's throneroom from RotJ.

Round 1 takes it the team. Dooku won't have tools to use or TK to overpower them, team wins.

Round 2....Hm...Dooku would certainly overpower Qui Gon. Qui Gon's style of combat ain't good for close quarters...

Kenobi on the other hand....If Kenobi is focused like when he fought Anakin or defeated Grievous then Kenobi would certainly win.

Otherwise, Dooku's TK and treachery would give him the win.

Dooku FTW.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Round 1 takes it the team. Dooku won't have tools to use or TK to overpower them, team wins.

Kenobi on the other hand....If Kenobi is focused like when he fought Anakin or defeated Grievous then Kenobi would certainly win.

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where do you get the idea that Obi Wan could do ANYthing to Dooku when every single time they've fought Dooku treated him like a child:

Episode 2,

Clone Wars on Oba Diah

Episode 3

all instances where Dooku wasn't even trying with Kenobi in fact he was toying with him

Originally posted by relentless1
where do you get the idea that Obi Wan could do ANYthing to Dooku when every single time they've fought Dooku treated him like a child:

Episode 2,

Clone Wars on Oba Diah

Episode 3

all instances where Dooku wasn't even trying with Kenobi in fact he was toying with him

The fact that in the end Obi Wan defeated Anakin and Anakin defeated Dooku.

That's why i said, if Obi Wan is as serious and focused as when he fought Anankin, then he should proof enough to win.

Also, this is ROTS Dooku, which is way weaker than CWs Dooku.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The fact that in the end Obi Wan defeated Anakin and Anakin defeated Dooku.

That's why i said, if Obi Wan is as serious and focused as when he fought Anankin, then he should proof enough to win.

Also, this is ROTS Dooku, which is way weaker than CWs Dooku.

Really? Obi-Wan had the high ground. He caught Anakin during his flip. Also Anakin was completely overtaken by his rage so he wasn't thinking clearly. Don't act like he simply beat him down or something.

Because by that logic, Dooku already beat Anakin twice. And Obi-Wan multiple times. It was only Palpatine fueling his aggression that let him win. He could've killed either of them multiple times if you watched the movie or the show.

Obi-wan trained and taught Anakin almost everything he knew. He knew Anakins fighting technique more than anyone. Pretty much their whole fight Obi-Wan was on the defensive. And the high ground thing. Thats why Obi-Wan got the best of Anakin.

Still they fought as virtual equals for the longest Saber fight in the saga.

Its too much of a difference between Obi-Wan vs Dooku and Obi-Wan vs Anakin to simply put down to Obi-Wan having trained Anakin.

Theres definitely a clash of styles there too. Obi-Wan IS a defensive fighter. And fights best like he did against Anakin. Against Dooku he was always on the offence.

Originally posted by KingD19
Savage Oppress is inferior? Assajj is inferior? Lol thats funny.


Originally posted by juggernaut74
I laughed as welll.



https://youtu.be/EUevM0XLJLQ


https://youtu.be/no4SxdIIDBE

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The fact that in the end Obi Wan defeated Anakin and Anakin defeated Dooku.

That's why i said, if Obi Wan is as serious and focused as when he fought Anankin, then he should proof enough to win.

Also, this is ROTS Dooku, which is way weaker than CWs Dooku.

Obi Wan didn't beat Anakin, Anakin beat himself. Watch that fight again, Obi Wan is being backed up the entire time and by the time they were on that little skiff out on the lava Obi Wan was on his last leg, his jump to the high ground was a jump of desperation you can see it all over his face. Anakin was dumb enough to jump at Kenobi and Kenobi was smart enough to take advantage simple as that.

Dooku wins by playing it smart, but the duo at their best could beat him.

Originally posted by relentless1
Obi Wan didn't beat Anakin, Anakin beat himself. Watch that fight again, Obi Wan is being backed up the entire time and by the time they were on that little skiff out on the lava Obi Wan was on his last leg, his jump to the high ground was a jump of desperation you can see it all over his face. Anakin was dumb enough to jump at Kenobi and Kenobi was smart enough to take advantage simple as that.


Obi-Wan is a defensive combatant though. So he will give ground, especially against a physically stronger opponent.

That point aside however, they fought as equals the entire time. And for the longest save fight in the saga.

So lets not pretend Kenobi was just running away the entire time, and that Anakin did not have the time to beat him or something.

Qui Gon dies of a heart attack after taking 3 steps.

As someone who hasn't read and/or watched hardly any of the CW and EU/Legends, but who is a more than casual Star Wars fan:

- Anakin's aggressive style was the rock to Dooku's scissors.
- Dooku's dueling style was the scissors to Obi-Wan's paper.
- Obi-Wan's defensive style was the paper to Anakin's rock.

Forgive me if I'm mistaken.

How does Qui-Gon stack up to Dooku in terms of style differences?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Obi-Wan is a defensive combatant though. So he will give ground, especially against a physically stronger opponent.

That point aside however, they fought as equals the entire time. And for the longest save fight in the saga.

So lets not pretend Kenobi was just running away the entire time, and that Anakin did not have the time to beat him or something.

im not saying he ran away, i know hes a defensive fighter but look at the weariness on his face when they clash for the last time on that tiny skiff; Anakin was only getting stronger while Obi wan was running out of juice, the panic is written all over his face

Originally posted by relentless1


all instances where Dooku wasn't even trying with Kenobi in fact he was toying with him I wonder how badass Dooku would be had he actually put effort into his fights.

Originally posted by relentless1
Anakin was only getting stronger



He got so strong he couldn't even do a good Force Jump

Originally posted by KingD19
Really? Obi-Wan had the high ground. He caught Anakin during his flip. Also Anakin was completely overtaken by his rage so he wasn't thinking clearly. Don't act like he simply beat him down or something.

Because by that logic, Dooku already beat Anakin twice. And Obi-Wan multiple times. It was only Palpatine fueling his aggression that let him win. He could've killed either of them multiple times if you watched the movie or the show.

Really. Anakin also fought Dooku enraged and irrationally! Actually, it was Anakin's inmense rage and hate that made him into one of the most powerful Sith Lords in the republic's history.

Obi Wan out-best Anakin, period.

He did, however Dooku lost in the end. It's called Continuity. Anakin proved to become better than Dooku.

Originally posted by relentless1
Obi Wan didn't beat Anakin, Anakin beat himself. Watch that fight again, Obi Wan is being backed up the entire time and by the time they were on that little skiff out on the lava Obi Wan was on his last leg, his jump to the high ground was a jump of desperation you can see it all over his face. Anakin was dumb enough to jump at Kenobi and Kenobi was smart enough to take advantage simple as that.

And that's what makes Obi Wan such a deadly Jedi. Obi Wan is known for his ability to maintain control over his opponents and knowing when to strike and when to back up.

Dooku was old and tired by the time of ROTS.

I doubt he could win against a mature and cautious Obi Wan.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I wonder how badass Dooku would be had he actually put effort into his fights.

Yeah, that's Dooku's disadvantage. He is too overconfident.

Originally posted by relentless1
Obi Wan didn't beat Anakin, Anakin beat himself. Watch that fight again, Obi Wan is being backed up the entire time and by the time they were on that little skiff out on the lava Obi Wan was on his last leg, his jump to the high ground was a jump of desperation you can see it all over his face. Anakin was dumb enough to jump at Kenobi and Kenobi was smart enough to take advantage simple as that. I agree. Anakin making such a foolish move only proves that he wasn't in his right mind during that fight. Dude just murdered his pregnant wife.

A Sith's weapon is rage and hatred. That's the very same reason Sidious wanted Anakin so much, cause of his hate.

Anakin beat Dooku because he was OVERALL a better Sith than Dooku.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvTa1vxmY3M


I believe Anakin was fighting Obi Wan just like how he was fighting when he defeated Dooku. Just like a true Sith would with hate.

And even so, he lost to Obi Wan.

Again, a concentrated Obi Wan should be able to defeat Dooku.

Originally posted by John Murdoch
As someone who hasn't read and/or watched hardly any of the CW and EU/Legends, but who is a more than casual Star Wars fan:

- Anakin's aggressive style was the rock to Dooku's scissors.
- Dooku's dueling style was the scissors to Obi-Wan's paper.
- Obi-Wan's defensive style was the paper to Anakin's rock.

Forgive me if I'm mistaken.

How does Qui-Gon stack up to Dooku in terms of style differences?

Good post

And good question...

Originally posted by John Murdoch
Dooku wins:

- Dooku already had a check in the win column against Obi-Wan and Anakin from AotC.
- Dooku manhandled Obi-Wan in RotS.
- Qui-Gon isn't an Anakin Skywalker, so it's game over for the duo here.

Your analogy would be perfect if it weren't for one little green inconvenience....

Yoda is consider a far more aggressive duelist than Anakin.

Dooku by the time of the CW was way stronger and more powerful than ROTS Dooku. Proof of this? Withstanding Yoda's attack.

Dooku didn't won the battle but was atleast able to survive, yet somehow he lost to Anakin in ROTS.

Dooku was clearly not the same in ROTS.

Originally posted by KingD19
It was only Palpatine fueling his aggression that let him win. Good point that is always overlooked.

And the fact Dooku was holding back against them as he was told do so by Palpatine. By the time Dooku realized what was going on it was too late.