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smh...two over hyped characters. they stalemate

Youz a hater supreme.

Still love ya tho.

Yeah, they're very similar in many ways.

Pale skin, overpowered, arrogant, near-perfect track records (at least used to be that way)...

Morlun is more powerful physically, Gorgon is more versatile and skilled...

So who do you have?

Gorgon. Seems to have too many options.

Stone Stare - while it's not a sure-fire way to end all opponents, I don't recall Morlun showing any notable transmutation resistance feats...?

Gorgon always carries with him some uber blade --- whether it's Godkiller, Grasscutter, fake Wolverine claws or some unnamed katana that somehow blocks a strike from adamantium-slicing energy sword... coupled with his superior speed and Mister X-esque telepathy, he should be able to turn Morlun into a pincushion, then slice him to pieces.

Even Solus wasn't invincible:

https://tinyurl.com/y9tkr8us

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, they're very similar in many ways.

Pale skin, overpowered, arrogant, near-perfect track records (at least used to be that way)...

Morlun is more powerful physically, Gorgon is more versatile and skilled...

this is y they stalemate

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Gorgon. Seems to have too many options.

Stone Stare - while it's not a sure-fire way to end all opponents, I don't recall Morlun showing any notable transmutation resistance feats...?

Gorgon always carries with him some uber blade --- whether it's Godkiller, Grasscutter, fake Wolverine claws or some unnamed katana that somehow blocks a strike from adamantium-slicing energy sword... coupled with his superior speed and Mister X-esque telepathy, he should be able to turn Morlun into a pincushion, then slice him to pieces.

Even Solus wasn't invincible:

https://tinyurl.com/y9tkr8us

Is Morlun faster then Spidey?

Truly the bottom tier of Marvel villains.

Let's hope they clash and retcon eachother out of existence.

Originally posted by cdtm
Is Morlun faster then Spidey?

No. He never was.

He has a degree of superhuman speed and can leap really good, but that's it.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
smh...two over hyped characters. they stalemate

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No. He never was.

He has a degree of superhuman speed and can leap really good, but that's it.

You can't just say that though. Gorgon has great Speed feats. Better than Spiderman in bullet time feats IMO. Twirled his sword and deflect point blank gunfire by automatic weapons from multiple people.

Morlun sucks him dry

Originally posted by Vanguard
You can't just say that though. Gorgon has great Speed feats. Better than Spiderman in bullet time feats IMO. Twirled his sword and deflect point blank gunfire by automatic weapons from multiple people.

I was talking about Morlun.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I was talking about Morlun.



Heh. O....

Depends on if Gorgon can get his Stone Stare off and have it work on Morlun.

If it does, he wins. If not, Morlun wins eventually.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Gorgon. Seems to have too many options.

Stone Stare - while it's not a sure-fire way to end all opponents, I don't recall Morlun showing any notable transmutation resistance feats...?

Gorgon always carries with him some uber blade --- whether it's Godkiller, Grasscutter, fake Wolverine claws or some unnamed katana that somehow blocks a strike from adamantium-slicing energy sword... coupled with his superior speed and Mister X-esque telepathy, he should be able to turn Morlun into a pincushion, then slice him to pieces.

Even Solus wasn't invincible:

https://tinyurl.com/y9tkr8us
Wasn't that Kaine though who stabbed him? With his plot device totem transformatrion? The inheritors even seem to be caught off guard by the fact that Solus's been injured.

It would be such a good fight though. Just the damage soak of the two.

Kaine was "The Other" that was the very reason he was able to **** with Solus, he was destined to do so. The scan even starts to give that away.

As for speed, Morlun might not have his own wtf speed feats but he constantly casually catched Spider-Man.

unless Gorgon can save his ass via stone stare this is a stomp in Morlun's favor.

morlun isnt gonna override gorgons hf and gorgon has no way to put morlun down. stone stare is rarely effective

Originally posted by Sin I AM
morlun isnt gonna override gorgons hf and gorgon has no way to put morlun down. stone stare is rarely effective

Why wouldn't he overload him?

He sucked a Captain Universe dry.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Kaine was "The Other" that was the very reason he was able to **** with Solus, he was destined to do so. The scan even starts to give that away.

As for speed, Morlun might not have his own wtf speed feats but he constantly casually catched Spider-Man.

unless Gorgon can save his ass via stone stare this is a stomp in Morlun's favor.
Thank you. That's what I've been trying (but failing) to explain in my post above.

PS: Morlun is also vastly stronger than Gorgon. He is pretty fast too, always tagging Spider-man with ease.

https://s18.postimg.org/77pat0fnt/4160162-morlun_speed.jpg

PS: Those are alt. universe Wolverine and Cap, but still.

He's faster than a collective Spider group's spider sense:

http://puu.sh/hA76B/3ca8433c80.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's faster than a collective Spider group's spider sense:

http://puu.sh/hA76B/3ca8433c80.jpg I was about to post this after I looked for the Captain Universe vs. Solus scan, that is actually so OP that it's absurd. How can someone be faster than an alarm system that can send alarms before the initial action even started?

Is he normally that overpowered against normal Peter?

Asking, because Spider-Island kind of established not everyone with spider powers is 616 Spider-man... Shang Chi actually seemed to get downgraded with them, and finally knocked out Bride of Nine Spiders after he lost them.. (After a weakened Iron Fist)

Normal Peter was one of the people he was faster than.

https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/37772159_001.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/37772161_002.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/37772163_003.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/37772165_004.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/37772166_005.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/37772167_006.jpg

Morlun vs Spider-Man (1)

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Morlun vs. Spider-Man (2)

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/37772158_Morlun_vs._Spider-Man.jpg Another vs. Spider-Man

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/37772160_Morlun_vs._Wakanda_01.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/37772162_Morlun_vs._Wakanda_02.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/37772164_Morlun_vs._Wakanda_03.jpg

And Morlun vs. Wakanda

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5B5MDEy5qak/UhAmm2x3M8I/AAAAAAAAABQ/r2TVLe9mDzY/w530-h332-n/Morlun.jpg

""Morlun--Devourer of Totems-- has come to feast on T'Challa, like a lion on a wounded Caribou. And thus far, he's proved unstoppable."

"We have thrown missiles at him. Mortars and bombs. Laser cannons, vibraniumcore nuclear-tipped shells. air and ground assaults."

"We haven't even slowed his approach.""

morlun is definitely far more powerful than gorgon. he should certainly be fast enough to catch him. it would only take a couple solid shots to end it. not sure how the stare would work on him though so that's always a question... i wonder how morlun would do getting sliced up by the sword a few times too? i'd think he'd weather it pretty easily, but it would be interesting. stare aside, this does seem like morlun should stomp him pretty easily.

I don't care what anyone says. Morlun is cool af.

i've always liked the character too. /shrug

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why wouldn't he overload him?

He sucked a Captain Universe dry.

alt reality characters dont count.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
alt reality characters dont count.

It shows he can feed on people who aren't totems, though.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
alt reality characters dont count. I thought Captain Universe kind of stayed at the same level, but it's his host that changes level?

I don't think I've ever really read any alt caps though, at least not off the top of my mind. It just kind of seems like it should be the same throughout.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/37772160_Morlun_vs._Wakanda_01.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/37772162_Morlun_vs._Wakanda_02.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/37772164_Morlun_vs._Wakanda_03.jpg

And Morlun vs. Wakanda

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5B5MDEy5qak/UhAmm2x3M8I/AAAAAAAAABQ/r2TVLe9mDzY/w530-h332-n/Morlun.jpg

""Morlun--Devourer of Totems-- has come to feast on T'Challa, like a lion on a wounded Caribou. And thus far, he's proved unstoppable."

"We have thrown missiles at him. Mortars and bombs. Laser cannons, vibraniumcore nuclear-tipped shells. air and ground assaults."

"We haven't even slowed his approach."" Adamantium net

I love Sin's desperate attempts to justify a stalemate

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It shows he can feed on people who aren't totems, though.

isnt univere pure life energy? thereby just as easy to consume? if not ok. Originally posted by One Big Mob
I thought Captain Universe kind of stayed at the same level, but it's his host that changes level?

I don't think I've ever really read any alt caps though, at least not off the top of my mind. It just kind of seems like it should be the same throughout.

Adamantium net

theres one in universe x that becomes eternity and mar-vell went around creating an afterlife for the dead. ive never known the enigma force to be a constant thruout all realities. didnt the black chick who became capt universe appear around the same time as the spider-verse storyline? also iirc morlun didnt kill universe it was solus.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I love Sin's desperate attempts to justify a stalemate

are you gonna contribute or are you gonna troll son?

Originally posted by SamZED
always tagging Spider-man with ease.


You need a Class 100 villain to punch you in the head or what?

Morlun's superhumanly fast, capable of tagging faster characters than himself in combat (given enough time), but this is a blatant lie.

Originally posted by SamZED
Wasn't that Kaine though who stabbed him? With his plot device totem transformatrion? The inheritors even seem to be caught off guard by the fact that Solus's been injured.

Yeah, it was Kaine. And yes, it shocked the inheritors.

Still. Weapons that Gorgon uses are far from ordinary, unless you want him with his original katanas that he hasn't used in a while.

And he's really fast with them, too. Could replicate Kaine's feat.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
are you gonna contribute or are you gonna troll son? You accusing me of trolling here is hilarious, because if you actually take a look at this thread I'm by far the one who contributed the most here. While you keep saying shit like "alt characters don't count" because it doesn't help your pov, while simply ignoring all of the scans I've posted. If anyone's behaviour can be considered trolling here it's yours.

Morlun is an entirely different tier than Gorgon.

FFS Morlun was never actually bested in battle without a plot device.

1. Spider-Man used his irradiated blood to poison him so her turned to dust.
2. Spider-Man become "The Other" which is basically Inheritor kryptonite and stabbed Morlun (same way Kaine was able to kill Solus)
3. He was BFRed into Wakanda's Death Realm where he fought the endless hordes of death.
4. And in Spiderverse Spider-Man with a group of other Spiders and an Inheritor that switched sides he (Morlun), along with the rest of the inheritors were BFRed again into a place where they could barely survive.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
You accusing me of trolling here is hilarious, because if you actually take a look at this thread I'm by far the one who contributed the most here. While you keep saying shit like "alt characters don't count" because it doesn't help your pov, while simply ignoring all of the scans I've posted. If anyone's behaviour can be considered trolling here it's yours.

Morlun is an entirely different tier than Gorgon.

FFS Morlun was never actually bested in battle without a plot device.

1. Spider-Man used his irradiated blood to poison him so her turned to dust.
2. Spider-Man become "The Other" which is basically Inheritor kryptonite and stabbed Morlun (same way Kaine was able to kill Solus)
3. He was BFRed into Wakanda's Death Realm where he fought the endless hordes of death.
4. And in Spiderverse Spider-Man with a group of other Spiders and an Inheritor that switched sides he (Morlun), along with the rest of the inheritors were BFRed again into a place where they could barely survive.

Actually, you'll find it is I who contributed the most.

Parm, who did the most work in this thread, convinced me that Morlun stomps the wolvie villain to paste.

Both characters have few appearances, old KMCers like us should know them by heart.

Morlun is a powerhouse, but he's not tailor-made for guys like Gorgon.

Immune to piercing attacks? Nope.

Hyper speed? Yes, but to much less degree than that of Gorgon's.

Resisting matter manipulation? Again, nope.

Gorgon could also distract him with a minor telepathic assault, like he did to Logan in the end of AoS... since Morlun has no TP "armor" feats and could be read like an open book.

There is no such thing as 'piercing attacks'.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
There is no such thing as 'piercing attacks'.

Read some comics, bro.

But fine, let's play your highly trollish game. Even Ezekiel was able to bloody Morlun's nose...

Oh. Oh we don't want to play that game.

Morlun has long hair, just like Mariko....

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I was about to post this after I looked for the Captain Universe vs. Solus scan, that is actually so OP that it's absurd. How can someone be faster than an alarm system that can send alarms before the initial action even started?

I know WTF! Stuff like that can make you hate a character like Morlun.

Then again, if Deathstroke did it, I wouldn't be complaining.

Morlun's speed beyond linear time confirmed.

Originally posted by leonidas
morlun is definitely far more powerful than gorgon. he should certainly be fast enough to catch him. it would only take a couple solid shots to end it. not sure how the stare would work on him though so that's always a question... i wonder how morlun would do getting sliced up by the sword a few times too? i'd think he'd weather it pretty easily, but it would be interesting. stare aside, this does seem like morlun should stomp him pretty easily.

Only a couple shots?

In EOTS he was tanking claw piercings by Logan on a Jetpack while S.H.I.E.L.D. was firing on him. He bounced back from getting kicked through a cave by some Atlus like character, "disarmed" speedster YoYo, tanked enhanced Shangs best shots...



Morlun did about the same things on a far greater scale. Gorgon could probably walk through Wakanda weaponary and beat around a team of Spidey's too.

huh? gorgon can take wakanda? i don't think gorgon could beat panther...

spidey had likened morlun to getting hit by thor. i think you have a bit of an overdeveloped sense of just what gorgon is.... this happens to him:

https://plus.google.com/photos/116277202286120869572/album/6437009144759563505/6437009146428848738?authkey=CMb-gqnhqMSW3AE&sqid=115790306775503909282&ssid=9186fb45-5862-4cee-b60e-ff0ea246de7c

https://plus.google.com/photos/116277202286120869572/album/6437009144759563505/6437009145772953810?authkey=CMb-gqnhqMSW3AE&sqid=115790306775503909282&ssid=9186fb45-5862-4cee-b60e-ff0ea246de7c

given his nature. it is entirely possible that like herc, who one-shotted him, that morlun could also simply resist the stare, but that is really impossible to say. imo he is certainly powerful enough though.

Is that mortal Herc? And where is it from?

If it's depowered Hercules, that's a pretty serious lowball, when measured against Enemy of the State and Secret Defenders (Just like Bendis having Matt flying kick KO him is.)

I'd like to see Gorgon's best feats.

I'll do it, but I'd like to know the context of that scan first, please.

Couldn't be mortal level Hercules... He has his powers, right?

that was from secret empire and that was full power herc. which is relevant because as i said, morlun has been compared by spidey to guys in thor's class of power. the multiversal nature of his family would actually seem to back that statement up.

Didn't Morlun not only tank vibranium tipped missiles, but tore a vibranium mesh too?

These guys are on two completely different threat levels.

Morlun is a much larger threat, and Spidey should be getting mad kudos for surviving any encounter that he has had with him. Gorgon is just more slippery and has more immediate resources to draw from. In the end it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Morlun were able to resist and eventually build up an immunity to the stare, but that's extremely speculative.

I wouldn't place the Gorgon stare on the level of Wonder Woman's lasso in terms it working as successfully, but it's up there in the haxx dept.

Toe to toe? Morlun could probably rip his spine out, and I actually don't like Herc's odds if he were put up against this guy TBH.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Didn't Morlun not only tank vibranium tipped missiles, but tore a vibranium mesh too? adamantium

Originally posted by Parmaniac
You accusing me of trolling here is hilarious, because if you actually take a look at this thread I'm by far the one who contributed the most here. While you keep saying shit like "alt characters don't count" because it doesn't help your pov, while simply ignoring all of the scans I've posted. If anyone's behaviour can be considered trolling here it's yours.

Morlun is an entirely different tier than Gorgon.

FFS Morlun was never actually bested in battle without a plot device.

1. Spider-Man used his irradiated blood to poison him so her turned to dust.
2. Spider-Man become "The Other" which is basically Inheritor kryptonite and stabbed Morlun (same way Kaine was able to kill Solus)
3. He was BFRed into Wakanda's Death Realm where he fought the endless hordes of death.
4. And in Spiderverse Spider-Man with a group of other Spiders and an Inheritor that switched sides he (Morlun), along with the rest of the inheritors were BFRed again into a place where they could barely survive.

because alt characters don't count. everyone (except 616 characters) was fodder. we don't know how powerful captain universe sm was, we dont just assume it's equal to 616 since we have multiple examples of alt charatcers paling in comparison to their counterparts.

1. i read the story
2. i read the story
3. i read the story
4. i read the story

morlun and crew have the advantage over totems, gargan is not a totem...nor is he a fodder alt universe character with zero feats. gorgon is arguably as fast, better skilled, weaker strength wise, durability wash, has a hf and a one shot weapon

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You need a Class 100 villain to punch you in the head or what?

Morlun's superhumanly fast, capable of tagging faster characters than himself in combat (given enough time), but this is a blatant lie.
I've been hit in the head plenty, so i'd rather not.

It's not even a stretch, let alone a lie. Morlun was shown to be able to tag Spider-man with ease. Hell, Parm just posted a scan of him moving so fast 4 Spider-men said he is faster than their spider sense.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Both characters have few appearances, old KMCers like us should know them by heart.

Morlun is a powerhouse, but he's not tailor-made for guys like Gorgon.

Immune to piercing attacks? Nope.

Hyper speed? Yes, but to much less degree than that of Gorgon's.

Resisting matter manipulation? Again, nope.

Gorgon could also distract him with a minor telepathic assault, like he did to Logan in the end of AoS... since Morlun has no TP "armor" feats and could be read like an open book.
Best case scenario one could argue that he and Gorgon are in the same league speed-wise.

Morlun is not unpiercable but he is pretty much immune to piercing attacks. At least to the point that he outright ignores vibranium spear through the heart and alt. u. Wolverine's claws through the chest (which we can safely assume to be adamantium considering they went right through), not to mention all the debris from wakandan vibranium missiles/bombs that they threw at him.
Whether he can resist Gorgon's swords is yet to be seen (I personally would bet he can), but I wouldn't use the "The Other" as an example since it's basically an anti-inheritors plot device weapon.

As for telepathic distraction/stone stare, if we are to use their more rare abilities, one could argue that Morlun could use that vanishing trick to remain undetected, the same trick that allowed him to jump past Wolverine while talking and somehow remain unnoticed by Logan's super senses.

It certainly can be argued that Gorgon could win some using his more exotic abilities/sword, but it's Morlun's fight to lose.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
because alt characters don't count. everyone (except 616 characters) was fodder. we don't know how powerful captain universe sm was, we dont just assume it's equal to 616 since we have multiple examples of alt charatcers paling in comparison to their counterparts.

1. i read the story
2. i read the story
3. i read the story
4. i read the story

morlun and crew have the advantage over totems, gargan is not a totem...nor is he a fodder alt universe character with zero feats. gorgon is arguably as fast, better skilled, weaker strength wise, durability wash, has a hf and a one shot weapon What a great logic, let's not allow alternate versions as feats for a multiversal character in a multiversal event with only two 616 characters present.

Characters not allowed: Fodder, totems, alternative versions, characters with no feats (even though they have clear descriptions by what characters said about them or what they said about themself) <- so basically pretty much every character he has ever faced. Thunderous applause for Sin

Ironically since you're forcing me to use only 616 examples and feats pulled from 616 characters I can simply claim Morlun turns invisble for Gorgon (as he did for 616 Wolverine) and beats the shit out of him.

Characters might not be on the same level as their 616 counterpart but usually they are in the same tier.

And no Gorgon is not a totem but neither are those:


https://s7d8.turboimg.net/sp/290b587fc4dd1f241b033a04aa48c626/14fab2cab47db2d85defaca0c009b19282b0a72a_hq.jpghttps://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/37777773_6114025.jpghttps://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/37778056_4268965-blackpanther2.jpg
(they don't count of course because it's fodder)

plus of course 2 different cosmic beings with different power sources (which doesn't count of course since their alt versions).

I kinda like the irony of this one though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon

https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/37778055_4120914-lifedrain.jpg


worked just fine, why don't you purify yourself in waters of lake minnetonka?

Basically, Morlun is a Spidey foe and Gorgon is a Wolvy foe.

Spiderman >>> Wolverine.

Maths don't lie.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
What a great logic, let's not allow alternate versions as feats for a multiversal character in a multiversal event with only two 616 characters present.

Characters not allowed: Fodder, totems, alternative versions, characters with no feats (even though they have clear descriptions by what characters said about them or what they said about themself) <- so basically pretty much every character he has ever faced. Thunderous applause for Sin

Ironically since you're forcing me to use only 616 examples and feats pulled from 616 characters I can simply claim Morlun turns invisble for Gorgon (as he did for 616 Wolverine) and beats the shit out of him.

Characters might not be on the same level as their 616 counterpart but usually they are in the same tier.

And no Gorgon is not a totem but neither are those:


https://s7d8.turboimg.net/sp/290b587fc4dd1f241b033a04aa48c626/14fab2cab47db2d85defaca0c009b19282b0a72a_hq.jpghttps://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/37777773_6114025.jpghttps://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/37778056_4268965-blackpanther2.jpg
(they don't count of course because it's fodder)

plus of course 2 different cosmic beings with different power sources (which doesn't count of course since their alt versions).

I kinda like the irony of this one though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon

https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/37778055_4120914-lifedrain.jpg


worked just fine, why don't you purify yourself in waters of lake minnetonka?

lol you mad? your entire post is stupid. im not using a featless character as a gauge. sorry

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol you mad? your entire post is stupid. im not using a featless character as a gauge. sorry Concession accepted

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Concession accepted

didnt concede. your stance is dumb. not gonna assume Hulk fron 2067 is in the same tier as Hulk from 616 just becuz. get that grade school debating outta here

Originally posted by Sin I AM
didnt concede. your stance is dumb. not gonna assume Hulk fron 2067 is in the same tier as Hulk from 616 just becuz. get that grade school debating outta here What about half as strong?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
What about half as strong?

hes not anyting unless he displays the same level of strength. we dont just assume

Originally posted by SamZED
I've been hit in the head plenty, so i'd rather not.

It's not even a stretch, let alone a lie. Morlun was shown to be able to tag Spider-man with ease. Hell, Parm just posted a scan of him moving so fast 4 Spider-men said he is faster than their spider sense.


Alternate Spider-Men.

616 Parker was able to go to a prolonged battle with Morlun, avoiding being fatally tagged... he even had his blitz moments against Morlun... so I need to disagree.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Alternate Spider-Men.

616 Parker was able to go to a prolonged battle with Morlun, avoiding being fatally tagged... he even had his blitz moments against Morlun... so I need to disagree.

So would you say he's about as fast as Matt on average? (And how come no one else ever gets play for tagging Spidey with ease? Lots have done it... some, consistently.)

Originally posted by cdtm
So would you say he's about as fast as Matt on average? (And how come no one else ever gets play for tagging Spidey with ease? Lots have done it... some, consistently.) There's a difference between tagging Spider-Man and Spider-Man being overwhelmed by someone's speed and commenting on it.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
hes not anyting unless he displays the same level of strength. we dont just assume But surely we can assume say someone with Hulk powers is above Spider-Man level in strength no?

Also, you missed the point of The Fuhrer bringing up draining characters. He wasn't saying Mordaddy could drain Captain Universe of 616 for example, but he was using it to show he could drain large amounts of energy not Spider-Totems. Morlun casually drained a Genis Vell for instance, who may or may not have had a full history of feats. I can't find solid proof it's the same Genis besides bios.
And on that note, Captain Universe Spider-Man was a self proclaimed God and the most powerful thing in the universe. He also effortlessly killed Lord Jennix, so he wasn't just some weak character. Solus was able to stand up to him and drain his attacks.

Solus who got killed by a hugely amped Kaine Other who Morlun was able to rip apart and kill.

A lot of alt characters are featless yes, but being featless does not mean being a normal human.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
But surely we can assume say someone with Hulk powers is above Spider-Man level in strength no?

Also, you missed the point of The Fuhrer bringing up draining characters. He wasn't saying Mordaddy could drain Captain Universe of 616 for example, but he was using it to show he could drain large amounts of energy not Spider-Totems. Morlun casually drained a Genis Vell for instance, who may or may not have had a full history of feats. I can't find solid proof it's the same Genis besides bios.
And on that note, Captain Universe Spider-Man was a self proclaimed God and the most powerful thing in the universe. He also effortlessly killed Lord Jennix, so he wasn't just some weak character. Solus was able to stand up to him and drain his attacks.

Solus who got killed by a hugely amped Kaine Other who Morlun was able to rip apart and kill.

A lot of alt characters are featless yes, but being featless does not mean being a normal human.

and, you know, common sense....

Originally posted by One Big Mob
But surely we can assume say someone with Hulk powers is above Spider-Man level in strength no?

Also, you missed the point of The Fuhrer bringing up draining characters. He wasn't saying Mordaddy could drain Captain Universe of 616 for example, but he was using it to show he could drain large amounts of energy not Spider-Totems. Morlun casually drained a Genis Vell for instance, who may or may not have had a full history of feats. I can't find solid proof it's the same Genis besides bios.
And on that note, Captain Universe Spider-Man was a self proclaimed God and the most powerful thing in the universe. He also effortlessly killed Lord Jennix, so he wasn't just some weak character. Solus was able to stand up to him and drain his attacks.

Solus who got killed by a hugely amped Kaine Other who Morlun was able to rip apart and kill.

A lot of alt characters are featless yes, but being featless does not mean being a normal human.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=550303&pagenumber=2

*cough* *cough*

Originally posted by One Big Mob
But surely we can assume say someone with Hulk powers is above Spider-Man level in strength no?

Also, you missed the point of The Fuhrer bringing up draining characters. He wasn't saying Mordaddy could drain Captain Universe of 616 for example, but he was using it to show he could drain large amounts of energy not Spider-Totems. Morlun casually drained a Genis Vell for instance, who may or may not have had a full history of feats. I can't find solid proof it's the same Genis besides bios.
And on that note, Captain Universe Spider-Man was a self proclaimed God and the most powerful thing in the universe. He also effortlessly killed Lord Jennix, so he wasn't just some weak character. Solus was able to stand up to him and drain his attacks.

Solus who got killed by a hugely amped Kaine Other who Morlun was able to rip apart and kill.

A lot of alt characters are featless yes, but being featless does not mean being a normal human.

are all hulks the same? Jen has the same powerset and she gets stronger as she rages can I assume she can go Worldbreaker? I dont assume anything till its proven you know ON PANEL.

Universes draining was explained away because his power was pure life energy or something along those lines.

i never said they were normal human i said they werent equal to their 616 counterparts until proven so. how is that so hard to grasp?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
are all hulks the same? Jen has the same powerset and she gets stronger as she rages can I assume she can go Worldbreaker? I dont assume anything till its proven you know ON PANEL.

Universes draining was explained away because his power was pure life energy or something along those lines.

i never said they were normal human i said they werent equal to their 616 counterparts until proven so. how is that so hard to grasp? First off Sin, rim my anus if you're going to come at me with that tone. And don't expect me not to try and push out a shit either.

Second, no, not all Hulks are the same. Which is why I was asking you questions earlier about where you'd place them. You instead just said he wasn't anything.
Also there's a difference between Jen and Bruce, mainly one directly received it, while Jen just was sharing needles with Bruce.


Yes, but that was the point. That he wasn't limited to totems. That Gorgan might have some life energy to drain.
Cap also wasn't able to casually blow up Solus as well, and they had something of a fight before the draining.


And people weren't saying they were directly equal (mind you, Hulk has fought a few alt Hulks and more often than not they are portrayed as the same strength), they were saying they were in the same tier. Which if you want to put a definition on it, they'd lack the high end feats of the characters, while the average to lower end feats should be reasonable to assume.
What this means is that while Spider Hulk couldn't punch a planet in twix, he could however go fist to punch with say Namor for example.

No one is saying we give them feats, but rather that we assume they can accomplish some Hulk level things. I think that's more than fair. The intention of a Hulk for instance isn't to be a class 20. But even if we ignore my off the head made up definition, we should be able to reasonably assume an alt Hulk for example is stronger than Gorgon.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
smh...two over hyped characters. they stalemate No explanation why, this is the start of a trend here.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, they're very similar in many ways.

Pale skin, overpowered, arrogant, near-perfect track records (at least used to be that way)...

Morlun is more powerful physically, Gorgon is more versatile and skilled... Originally posted by Sin I AM
this is y they stalemate You jumped on Stilt's explanation which would be fine IF you would have stayed there.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
morlun isnt gonna override gorgons hf and gorgon has no way to put morlun down. stone stare is rarely effective Again unsupported claims, but my lovely beholders have a look at the "no way to put Morlun down" part (It's kind of important later on)

*Darksaint posts a scan of an insane speed feat for Morlun* it gets ignored, the start of another trend Sin starts here.

*The story teller Parmaniac posts an insane quantifiable feat of Morlun (him no selling all of Wakandas weaponry), something that actually goes far beyond what gorgon has ever displayed* Sin ignores that too.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
alt reality characters dont count. Sin picks up on her first trend to make unsupported claims, giving no explaination (and being totally unaware what this means for a multiversal character who had a significant amount of his total feats in a multiversal event).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It shows he can feed on people who aren't totems, though. Darksaint elaborates why this feat still matters.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Adamantium net Bran makes a short statement which clearly gives another good feat for Morlun away also clearly above what Gorgon has displayed, Sin continues her trend of ignorance, in her defense in this case probably because she had no ****ing idea what he was talking about.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I love Sin's desperate attempts to justify a stalemate
Originally posted by Sin I AM
are you gonna contribute or are you gonna troll son? Sin makes an attempt to jab at Parmaniac (me) in accusation of trolling and actually asking for contribution, the irony should be quite obvious by now.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
You accusing me of trolling here is hilarious, because if you actually take a look at this thread I'm by far the one who contributed the most here. While you keep saying shit like "alt characters don't count" because it doesn't help your pov, while simply ignoring all of the scans I've posted. If anyone's behaviour can be considered trolling here it's yours.

Morlun is an entirely different tier than Gorgon.

FFS Morlun was never actually bested in battle without a plot device.

1. Spider-Man used his irradiated blood to poison him so her turned to dust.
2. Spider-Man become "The Other" which is basically Inheritor kryptonite and stabbed Morlun (same way Kaine was able to kill Solus)
3. He was BFRed into Wakanda's Death Realm where he fought the endless hordes of death.
4. And in Spiderverse Spider-Man with a group of other Spiders and an Inheritor that switched sides he (Morlun), along with the rest of the inheritors were BFRed again into a place where they could barely survive. Here Parmaniac does a little sum up in between in hope to get this into the right direction, how naive this well intentioned man was.

Originally posted by leonidas
https://plus.google.com/photos/116277202286120869572/album/6437009144759563505/6437009146428848738?authkey=CMb-gqnhqMSW3AE&sqid=115790306775503909282&ssid=9186fb45-5862-4cee-b60e-ff0ea246de7c

https://plus.google.com/photos/116277202286120869572/album/6437009144759563505/6437009145772953810?authkey=CMb-gqnhqMSW3AE&sqid=115790306775503909282&ssid=9186fb45-5862-4cee-b60e-ff0ea246de7c.

Leonidas actually starts to present scans (something Sin hasn't done once, eventhough we have reached the middle of page 3 by now, so much for contribution) that show that Gorgon since his early showings actually went down on the ladder (if this is justified or not is another topic)

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I'd like to see Gorgon's best feats. The noble Parmaniac directly asks for scans or at least a list of Gorgon's best feats so far in hope to get any type of productive reaction from the usual suspect.

Originally posted by leonidas
that was from secret empire and that was full power herc. which is relevant because as i said, morlun has been compared by spidey to guys in thor's class of power. the multiversal nature of his family would actually seem to back that statement up. Leonidas once more adds information to the debate to clarify the scans he has posted as his contribution, it is important that Leonidas mentions Morluns multiversal nature and that usually (<- the word means most of the time but there can be exceptions, why do I explain that? Keep on reading)

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Didn't Morlun not only tank vibranium tipped missiles, but tore a vibranium mesh too?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
adamantium Here we have CosmicComet asking a question for the feat One Big Mob hinted at and Parmaniac correcting him about the detail of what the net was made out of (contributing).

Originally posted by Sin I AM
because alt characters don't count. everyone (except 616 characters) was fodder. we don't know how powerful captain universe sm was, we dont just assume it's equal to 616 since we have multiple examples of alt charatcers paling in comparison to their counterparts.

1. i read the story
2. i read the story
3. i read the story
4. i read the story

morlun and crew have the advantage over totems, gargan is not a totem...nor is he a fodder alt universe character with zero feats. gorgon is arguably as fast, better skilled, weaker strength wise, durability wash, has a hf and a one shot weapon and here we have Sin continuing her trend of unsupported claims such as "we don't know how powerful Captain Universe Spider-Man was" even though he one shotted an Inheritor and was described as the most powerful being in his native universe and his short fight with Solus was actually so impressive that Morlun (the most powerful Inheritor except maybe Karn and the usually arrogant-never-impressed Superior Spider-Man were really impressed by it).

Going by the quality of Sins replies and arguments in this thread so far

1. unlikely
2. unlikely
3. unlikely
4. unlikely

Sin also suddenly mentions that Gorgon has a "one shot weapon" even though her initial stance was that they stalemate and that Gorgon has no way of putting Morlun down. So by her own logic this weapon can't really have an effect on Morlun and it makes it quite awkward to now mention it especially under the label of a "one shot weapon", this either refers to the stone stare which she already labeled as ineffective or the God Killer Sword. Also all of her stat comparisons are unsupported claims since she hasn't posted a single scan of Gorgon to be compared to Morlun quite uber feats that were contributed by the evil troll Parmaniac.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
What a great logic, let's not allow alternate versions as feats for a multiversal character in a multiversal event with only two 616 characters present.

Characters not allowed: Fodder, totems, alternative versions, characters with no feats (even though they have clear descriptions by what characters said about them or what they said about themself) <- so basically pretty much every character he has ever faced. Thunderous applause for Sin

Ironically since you're forcing me to use only 616 examples and feats pulled from 616 characters I can simply claim Morlun turns invisble for Gorgon (as he did for 616 Wolverine) and beats the shit out of him.

Characters might not be on the same level as their 616 counterpart but usually they are in the same tier.

And no Gorgon is not a totem but neither are those:


https://s7d8.turboimg.net/sp/290b587fc4dd1f241b033a04aa48c626/14fab2cab47db2d85defaca0c009b19282b0a72a_hq.jpghttps://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/37777773_6114025.jpghttps://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/37778056_4268965-blackpanther2.jpg
(they don't count of course because it's fodder)

plus of course 2 different cosmic beings with different power sources (which doesn't count of course since their alt versions).

I kinda like the irony of this one though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon

https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/37778055_4120914-lifedrain.jpg


worked just fine, why don't you purify yourself in waters of lake minnetonka? Here the evil troll Parmaniac crawls out under his bridge once again to tell Sin the logical flaws of her argumentation and actually kept on his evil plot of contributing new feats by mentioning them and actually daring to post scans of them, Sin continuing her trend of ignorance while she carefully deconstructed every single of Parmaniacs arguments with a razorsharp on point post

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol you mad? your entire post is stupid. im not using a featless character as a gauge. sorry

One Big Mob also saw the error in her statement and carefully tried to push her in the right direction
Originally posted by One Big Mob
What about half as strong?
Sin immediately replied
Originally posted by Sin I AM
hes not anyting unless he displays the same level of strength. we dont just assume One Big Mob then carefully elaborates what the evil troll Parmaniac has put quite short but carefully by saying (alt characters are usually in the same tier, the word usually means most of the time but of course there are exceptions and the same tier to signalize that even if they are they can very well have quite fluctutaions in terms of powerlevel)
Originally posted by leonidas
and, you know, common sense.... Leonidas added that some common sense can help too which certainly isn't wrong.

But the "we don't just assume" part rang a bell in the trolls head, so he rummaged through the ancient books of KM and C to find old writings of a woman with the name Sin I am

Originally posted by Parmaniac
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=550303&pagenumber=2

*cough* *cough* the woman seemed not to care about the evidence of hypocrisy brought to light since she did not just did what she accused others of, no, she even went further by not just comparing a character with his alternative version, no not even comparing a character of one comic book company to one of another simply because they share a name, no she went so far that she actually compared a character of a comic book industry and compared him to one of a video game franchise simply because they share the same name. She once again exulted her favorite habit, the one of ignorance (but we don't just assume).

Originally posted by Sin I AM
are all hulks the same? Jen has the same powerset and she gets stronger as she rages can I assume she can go Worldbreaker? I dont assume anything till its proven you know ON PANEL.

Universes draining was explained away because his power was pure life energy or something along those lines.

i never said they were normal human i said they werent equal to their 616 counterparts until proven so. how is that so hard to grasp?

Even the pleased hearted and delightful One Big Mob seemed to have grown weary of the lady's behaviour as he replied
Originally posted by One Big Mob
First off Sin, rim my anus if you're going to come at me with that tone. And don't expect me not to try and push out a shit either.
And this my dear readers is why Sin I am is the Lady in brown.

https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/37816986_latest.gif

(As a sidenote, I don't hold a personal grudge against Sin but her behaviour and argumentation in this thread was annoying and moronic)

https://media.giphy.com/media/yoJC2BlMMydcdBvgze/giphy.gif

That was intended to be a joke because of the way Sin acts tough everytime someone gives her lip.
We know each other better than that. I showed her my wiener, and she bared her beaver to me. We're close. Real tight friends.

That being said, huge fan of you narrating the thread. It gives it a real comic or story in a movie vibe.

Parm got triggered hard.

Epic trolling from Sin as expected.

thing is...i wasnt even trollimg ol parmesan cheese tho. hes yet to prove spider universe is in the same tier as 616. bran is just doing his bran schtick.


Originally posted by One Big Mob
That was intended to be a joke because of the way Sin acts tough everytime someone gives her lip.
We know each other better than that. I showed her my wiener, and she bared her beaver to me. We're close. Real tight friends.

That being said, huge fan of you narrating the thread. It gives it a real comic or story in a movie vibe.

i did lol @ this though. i only talk tough to carver, i e-respect the rest of you though

Actually I wasn't mad at all when I wrote this it was in the middle of the night and I waited for my alarm to trigger to go to work. Usually I don't have a problem with Sin at all. I even started to smile while writing this probably due to lack of sleep.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Actually I wasn't mad at all when I wrote this it was in the middle of the night and I waited for my alarm to trigger to go to work. Usually I don't have a problem with Sin at all. I even started to smile while writing this probably due to lack of sleep.

its ok. embrace me as you would a lost lover