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I'm trying to get an idea of how Luddendorf ranks against the MCU villains. All fights are pure h2h, no weapons or armor unless otherwise stated. Luddendorf gets healed after every fight. Fight takes place in an open arena. How far does he go?


1. Red Skull
2. Winter Soldier
3. Kilmonger w/ nanite suit (no claws or kinetic blasts)
4. Ironmonger w/ suit (no weapons or flight)
5. Ronan (no infinity stone)
6. Loki
7. Malekith w/ infinity stone
8. Hela
9. Abomination
10. Kurse

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm trying to get an idea of how Luddendorf ranks against the MCU villains. All fights are pure h2h, no weapons or armor unless otherwise stated. Luddendorf gets healed after every fight. Fight takes place in an open arena. How far does he go?


1. Red Skull
2. Winter Soldier
3. Kilmonger w/ nanite suit (no claws or kinetic blasts)
4. Ironmonger w/ suit (no weapons or flight)
5. Ronan (no infinity stone)
6. Loki
7. Malekith w/ infinity stone
8. Hela
9. Abomination
10. Kurse

What...? I thought Luddendorf was only a normal human..

Sorry let me clarify. This is Luddendorf after he's taken his magic potion.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Sorry let me clarify. This is Luddendorf after he's taken his magic potion.

Yeah, i imagined so.

Well, Red Skull gave Cap a much better fight than what Luddenford gave Diana....So....He loses.

2. Winter Soldier clearly wins.

3. Well, Killmonger could try to strangle him...Ain't much Luddenford could do to damage him.

4. Ironmonger stomps.

5. Ronan....Ronan stomps

6. Loki stomps

7. Malekith mega stomps.

8. Okay from now on he is like a ant...

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yeah, i imagined so.

Well, Red Skull gave Cap a much better fight than what Luddenford gave Diana....So....He loses.

2. Winter Soldier clearly wins.

3. Well, Killmonger could try to strangle him...Ain't much Luddenford could do to damage him.

4. Ironmonger stomps.

5. Ronan....Ronan stomps

6. Loki stomps

7. Malekith mega stomps.

8. Okay from now on he is like a ant...

Remember that by the time Luddendorf fought Diana, Diana had already proven strong enough to throw a tank.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Remember that by the time Luddendorf fought Diana, Diana had already proven strong enough to throw a tank.

Yeah but never had a real adv over her...

Isn't like she was beating the crap out of her.

He could potentially take the first 3 (though no guarantees IMO). Don't see him taking down a suit strong enough that it was able to crush the Mk III Iron Man armor like a tin can (towards the end of their fight, Iron Monger literally grabs Tony and just starts squeezing, and you see the armor steadily begin to cave in). That's the same armor that could take an impact with a fighter jet without sustaining damage.