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Is Surfer more durable than Mjlonir? The debate is, the Sun destroyed Mjlonir but Surfer has flown through Stars. Is Surfer durability greater than that of Mjlonir.

Mjolnir obviously.

They're both pretty shit, but SS is about 1000x more durable.

Your mom is more durable than both, carv.

Serious answer? Mjolnir, no contest.

Originally posted by carver9
Is Surfer more durable than Mjlonir? The debate is, the Sun destroyed Mjlonir but Surfer has flown through Stars. Is Surfer durability greater than that of Mjlonir.

stop

Mjolnir, KMCer.

Hard to argue when Mjlonir just got destroyed by being thrown into the sun


Historically speaking, the hammer should obviously be more durable. After Thor 705, that looks like it was changed. But then again, under Aaron, Odin would have perished from the Sun. Mangog is more powerful than the Destroyer, Odin, and Phoenix Force. And of course, Odin says things like "when Thor dies, i want that hammer"

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Hard to argue when Mjlonir just got destroyed by being thrown into the sun


Historically speaking, the hammer should obviously be more durable. After Thor 705, that looks like it was changed. But then again, under Aaron, Odin would have perished from the Sun. Mangog is more powerful than the Destroyer, Odin, and Phoenix Force. And of course, Odin says things like "when Thor dies, i want that hammer"

Superman is historically stronger than Wonder Woman, but as of "insert issue #", that has changed.

How stupid does that sound?

Under Aaron, young Thor/King Thor/Current Thor fought Gorr in a Sun just fine. Thor flies through Stars for excitement. King Thor is wielding Mjolnir in the future. Let's see how it plays out before we forget everything else we know.

This is Mjolnir. It was randomly destroyed off panel? Aaron is shit, but not THAT shit.

It looks like in a Jason Aaron story the main character gets all the credit, while everyone around him is a clumsy cheerleader.
In Jason Aarons "Thor: God of Thunder" Thor outperformed pretty much everyone else in the story.

Originally posted by carver9
Is Surfer more durable than Mjlonir? The debate is, the Sun destroyed Mjlonir but Surfer has flown through Stars. Is Surfer durability greater than that of Mjlonir.

A well thought out analysis that I agree with.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman is historically stronger than Wonder Woman, but as of "insert issue #", that has changed.

How stupid does that sound?

Under Aaron, young Thor/King Thor/Current Thor fought Gorr in a Sun just fine. Thor flies through Stars for excitement. King Thor is wielding Mjolnir in the future. Let's see how it plays out before we forget everything else we know.

This is Mjolnir. It was randomly destroyed off panel? Aaron is shit, but not THAT shit.
I normally agree that you can't just assume the new power level of X character should be concluded on the latest comics. IE: WonderWoman getting knocked the F*** out by a bullet.

The thing with Mjlonir is that under Aaron, he specifically retconned the origins of the hammer. He didn't just decide to make the hammer weak. He actually gave it much different explanation.

For now I do agree with you that Mjolnir>SS easily,. There is just too many inconsistencies to use any of these feats. But I'm interested to see where this goes. From what I've read, there is multiple hammers coming, IE GL lantern corps.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I normally agree that you can't just assume the new power level of X character should be concluded on the latest comics. IE: WonderWoman getting knocked the F*** out by a bullet.

The thing with Mjlonir is that under Aaron, he specifically retconned the origins of the hammer. He didn't just decide to make the hammer weak. He actually gave it much different explanation.

For now I do agree with you that Mjolnir>SS easily,. There is just too many inconsistencies to use any of these feats. But I'm interested to see where this goes. From what I've read, there is multiple hammers coming, IE GL lantern corps.

He retconned the hammers origins by inserting the Mother Storm, the original cosmic storm from the beginning of time that spans Galaxies and is almost as powerful as Odin...In the same comic, he reinforces that the forging of Mjolnir destroyed a Star (One of it's defining traits).

How does that retcon make the hammer weak or any likely to yield to Surfer? Aaron has made Mjolnir (And all the other weapons of Asgard such as Stormbreaker, Thor's axe etc.) more powerful than ever...

Is this thread the result of someone getting triggered in another thread?

Originally posted by Badabing
Is this thread the result of someone getting triggered in another thread?

The latest issue of The Mighty Thor, and what recently happened in Thanos would likely be my first guess.

Didn't Thanos just impale Surfer's head on the handle of Mjolnir? There's your answer.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He retconned the hammers origins by inserting the Mother Storm, the original cosmic storm from the beginning of time that spans Galaxies and is almost as powerful as Odin...In the same comic, he reinforces that the forging of Mjolnir destroyed a Star (One of it's defining traits).

How does that retcon make the hammer weak or any likely to yield to Surfer? Aaron has made Mjolnir (And all the other weapons of Asgard such as Stormbreaker, Thor's axe etc.) more powerful than ever...

He retconned in more than what you stated. Odin clearly was never able to wield it. He still expresses the desire to wield it. Also, he tamed the storm, clearly he was more powerful.

Also, I want to make this clear; I find it perfectly valid that if Mjolnir was forged in a star, that it can probably be unmade to a point. A lot like how a sword is made in a furnace (and other tool) and cane unmade there.

With that said, historically speaking, like you have said already, Mjlonir has survived plenty of times in similar situations. I agree with you!!!!

Originally posted by xJLxKing
He retconned in more than what you stated. Odin clearly was never able to wield it. He still expresses the desire to wield it. Also, he tamed the storm, clearly he was more powerful.

Also, I want to make this clear; I find it perfectly valid that if Mjolnir was forged in a star, that it can probably be unmade to a point. A lot like how a sword is made in a furnace (and other tool) and cane unmade there.

With that said, historically speaking, like you have said already, Mjlonir has survived plenty of times in similar situations. I agree with you!!!!

He changed Odin's relationship with the hammer partially, yes. How is that relevant in this thread exactly, regarding Mjolnir's durability in general?

I think you need re-read Thor #12. The dwarves brought Odin a chunk of Uru, the strongest metal in all creation, even unsmeatable in the forges of the dwarves.

They hooked a Star, and then pounded on the entire race pounded on the metal for 17 days. The forging of Mjolnir was so intense, it destroyed the Star just to HEAT the metal enough for it to be shaped. Then Odin enchanted it.

What about that issue, suggests that Mjolnir isn't at least as durable as before, much less weaker?

Fair enough.

typical forum idiocy. thor says the hammer is destroyed, so everyone just what? goes ahead and assumes it was destroyed? geezus, it's like some of you have never read a comic in your lives. a new forum rule should say that no one can open a thread based on the immediate result in current comic (that would serve the double threat of keeping prep from ever opening ANY threads). christ, we don't even know if it's true and people are calling for retcons? get a phukin grip.

IF it turns out to be true, THEN we can all go ape-sh!t. for the moment, this thread serves no purpose other than to troll. nice carv.

Aaron confirms Mjlonir destroyed in latest Thor epic

Originally posted by Zack M
Aaron confirms Mjlonir destroyed in latest Thor epic

**** you Zack, You got me!

mjilonir

How is "you killed mjolnir" a vague and ambiguous statement?

Finally Marvel is giving the Sun the respect it deserves. Far too often it is treated as some lame ball of fire, instead of the perpetual ultra-high-pressure hydrogen bomb that it is.

The Sun killed Mjolnir. Now that's what I'm talking about. And since Superman uses and enhances the power of the Sun, he should be able to slag Mjolnir literally in the blink of an eye.

Oops, this was about Surfer, not Superman. Well... Mjolnir is far more durable than Surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How is "you killed mjolnir" a vague and ambiguous statement?

How do you kill a hammer? We will know specifics next issue. It nay very well have melted. But for now, its vague.

Erm....Mjolnir is sentient

If Mjolnir stays in the sun long enough, wouldn't be surprised if it breaks. No one in their right mind would want to stay in that thing for a prolonged period of time.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm....Mjolnir is sentient

The Storm inside is sentient. Do uoi think the Galactic Storm dies?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
The Storm inside is sentient. Do uoi think the Galactic Storm dies?

It could. I mean, it's silly, but it's sentient which means it has the potential to die.

Which is why I'm saying it's not impossible to die.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
How do you kill a hammer? We will know specifics next issue. It nay very well have melted. But for now, its vague.

Vague or ambiguous implies there are multiple meanings.

Give me another meaning of "kill Mjolnir" other than being destroyed.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
If Mjolnir stays in the sun long enough, wouldn't be surprised if it breaks. No one in their right mind would want to stay in that thing for a prolonged period of time.
https://s14.postimg.org/6m5spo0f1/1753003-silver_surfer_flies_into_star.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/r6amo5nvx/3962518-0_2.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/qgrubsv25/silver-surfer-37-drax.jpg

Where are y'all getting Mjolnir destroyed?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
How do you kill a hammer? We will know specifics next issue. It nay very well have melted. But for now, its vague.
How the **** is that vague?

Originally posted by zopzop
https://s14.postimg.org/6m5spo0f1/1753003-silver_surfer_flies_into_star.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/r6amo5nvx/3962518-0_2.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/qgrubsv25/silver-surfer-37-drax.jpg

Meh.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman going into the core of the sun.

https://s17.postimg.org/yp54r4197/image.jpg https://s17.postimg.org/iqwf0zeqz/image.jpg https://s17.postimg.org/3uxvteb23/image.jpg https://s17.postimg.org/8gu01r4az/image.jpg

Even Supergirl has done the same recently.

https://s17.postimg.org/7rb7pitij/image.jpg https://s17.postimg.org/ds8wmlnuj/image.jpg https://s17.postimg.org/ds8wmlvkb/image.jpg

Surfer has never gone inside the core of the sun IIRC.

His first scan is Surfer flying literally right into a Star from one end, and out the other.

2 pages until Superman scans. Impressive.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Meh.



Surfer has never gone inside the core of the sun IIRC.

stop

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
His first scan is Surfer flying literally right into a Star from one end, and out the other.

2 pages until Superman scans. Impressive.
You can go across a spherical mass without going through the core.

Hard for you to understand, right?

But I stand corrected as the narrative said he went to the heart of the sun.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
stop
Why?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You can go across a spherical mass without going through the core.

Hard for you to understand, right?

But I stand corrected as the narrative said he went to the heart of the sun.


Why?

You're questioning my intelligence?

Zop posted scans in reply to Celeh, in a teasing/trolling manner, and for no reason, you chime in with Superman scans going "meh", and because you're not just an idiot, you're efficient at being an idiot, you claim that Surfer has never been in the heart of a Star. Indicating you didn't even bother clicking them, and a thread with Surfer/Mjolnir, is iyo, a great place to wank Superman...as if there aren't enough threads ruined with that shit.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're questioning my intelligence?



You have intelligence to question?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're questioning my intelligence?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You have intelligence to question?

Rage vs. Abhi.

This is what I live for, I swear. Keep going, guys. I am entertained.

Originally posted by zopzop
https://s14.postimg.org/6m5spo0f1/1753003-silver_surfer_flies_into_star.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/r6amo5nvx/3962518-0_2.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/qgrubsv25/silver-surfer-37-drax.jpg

Fight Atum in core of the sun.
http://i.imgur.com/MBUexqum.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/SPqrVJfm.jpg

Fights Gorr in a sun.
http://i.imgur.com/AOfjSkDm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/wn2tbnVm.jpg

Energy of an exploding sun.
http://i.imgur.com/WxTiJBGm.jpg

And just for extra reference..

Handles an object with the power from a multitude of suns.
http://i.imgur.com/44TgNKMm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/jhIGCfsm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/99SGwahm.jpg

Mjolnir burns with might of a thousand suns.
http://i.imgur.com/sCwEnPGm.jpg

https://tinyurl.com/ycmjle4r

Should've gotten goggles for the rest of asgard

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
https://tinyurl.com/ycmjle4r

Thor couldn't masturbate for a month after putting his hand inside the sun:

https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/38049531_Uncanny_Avengers_016-020.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/38049532_Uncanny_Avengers_016-021.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Rage vs. Abhi.

This is what I live for, I swear. Keep going, guys. I am entertained.

I just don't understand how you aren't sick of having every other thread derailed by that particular brand of idiocy.

At least Quanchi is pretty funny.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Zop posted scans in reply to Celeh, in a teasing/trolling manner,
Hey!

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Fight Atum in core of the sun.
http://i.imgur.com/MBUexqum.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/SPqrVJfm.jpg

Fights Gorr in a sun.
http://i.imgur.com/AOfjSkDm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/wn2tbnVm.jpg

Energy of an exploding sun.
http://i.imgur.com/WxTiJBGm.jpg Originally posted by celeyhyga17
And just for extra reference..

Handles an object with the power from a multitude of suns.
http://i.imgur.com/44TgNKMm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/jhIGCfsm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/99SGwahm.jpg

Mjolnir burns with might of a thousand suns.
http://i.imgur.com/sCwEnPGm.jpg
I'll give you the Atum one.

Moving on to the next scan, it looks like Gorr ended the fight around the surface of the star (much less heat and pressure than the core).

As for the other scans, google "hyperbole".

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DY6U3g0XcAEhFxp?format=jpg

It's about how long it takes.
For example, it takes a while to completely melt solid steel in most man made furnaces.

Will Mjolnir get destroyed upon first entering the sun? No.
Will it take a while? Most likely.

Surfer never been in a star for a long time, neither has Gladiator, drax, etc.
Think of a very durable metal slowly getting hotter until it meets it's melting point.

Sentry stays in the sun for a prolonged period.

It's the enchantment that gives Mjolnir it's resilience when it is damaged it is not as resilient until it is repaired, as with any broken spell. Remember the runes carved on it give it its power primarily, it is an "enchanted hammer" and until repaired it will lose its resilience.

Originally posted by zopzop
I'll give you the Atum one.

Moving on to the next scan, it looks like Gorr ended the fight around the surface of the star (much less heat and pressure than the core).

As for the other scans, google "hyperbole". The one where Thor specifically teleports in a "sphere which throbs in pulsing rythm with the Sun's heart"? And then uses lightning of the very essence as the sun to hit him, which would make no sense if they're bathed in it?

You're too kind, Zop.

Originally posted by zopzop

Moving on to the next scan, it looks like Gorr ended the fight around the surface of the star (much less heat and pressure than the core).


How do you figure? We see them falling into the Sun, past the corona and engulfed in the chromosphere.

And in the bottom panel, we see Gorr's weapon eating the Sun from inside the Sun, protruding outwards, ncluding the opposite end of the Star. Not traveling across the Surface.

Originally posted by zopzop
Hey!

I'll give you the Atum one.

Moving on to the next scan, it looks like Gorr ended the fight around the surface of the star (much less heat and pressure than the core).

As for the other scans, google "hyperbole".
"After them. Into the sun."
https://imgur.com/AOfjSkD.jpg

Looks like they fall into it. No sign of them fighting on the surface.
https://imgur.com/wn2tbnV.jpg


Oh, I know about hyperbole. Point was to show that Thor and Mew Mew can handle extremely hot energy. What better example than scans that refer to suns themselves.

Originally posted by zopzop
Oh I know. They're clearly on some metaphysical plane but I just didn't feel like arguing the point.
Hmm.. Another interesting stance. So you think they aren't in the sun? Don't let the lightning fool you. Thor's lightning isn't exactly normal in many of its portrayals. A fact which for some reason escapes some people.

i've argued that same stance in the past. i've always thought they were in some weird other place as well, or shielded, or....something. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
i've argued that same stance in the past. i've always thought they were in some weird other place as well, or shielded, or....something. /shrug
Always figured it was his place within the core of the sun and just the writer's way of depicting two gods battling inside a star. Doubt it's shielded because there would be no need for Atum to shield himself. It was stated that he had merged with the sun in times past. It's highly unlikely that he would shiled himself from the sun's heat.

He did return to the sun's core when his business with Thor concluded.
http://i.imgur.com/qxVym5Qm.jpg

I think we should create a classic Thor care package and mail it to Aaron.

Surfer got Skullphucked by the hammer.

Originally posted by "Id"
A significantly more powerful future Surfer got Skullphucked by the hammer.

It seems pretty clear that Thor is in a sun with Gorr, and that he is burnt by the sun in Uncanny Avengers.

Comics are inconsistent like that

https://imgur.com/a/G7Qh4

Originally posted by operator616
https://imgur.com/a/G7Qh4 I was waiting until someone posted this.

So, off the top of my mind Mjolnir has been used against heat and sun stuff along that nature:
To capture the Mother Storm who could snuff out suns
It burned out a sun forging it
It went into the sun against Gorr
The Atum fight
It was taking blasts from Phoenix when its heat was felt galaxies away
To enter the sun and kill the Builder
To turn a supernova comet back into a sun

And then you have all the "heat of a thousand cocks" shit along with big bang whatever shit. Plus the Twilight Sword and however hot Mephisto's hell is. Glory and Firelord's fire. It also releases lightning all the time and released a Mother Storm from the hammer that should have been pretty hot with all the giant lightning and shit. Anti Twilight also got burned off of Mjolnir when he stabbed Surtur in Everything Burns.


It would seem odd if a sun destroyed Mjolnir to me. Not saying he isn't going to write it, but it wouldn't be the greatest thing.

Originally posted by operator616
https://imgur.com/a/G7Qh4

Why you didn't include the page in which Thor gets pimpslapped?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
I was waiting until someone posted this.

So, off the top of my mind Mjolnir has been used against heat and sun stuff along that nature:
To capture the Mother Storm who could snuff out suns Are you the same person who is blaming abhi for ignoring context?

This is hilarious.

Oh bran.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Why are you white knighting abhi because I may have made one mistake?

Explain in any case. You're doing the same thing you accuse him of doing, which is purposely ignoring context to make feats sound better.

The difference is, you'll have celeyfag and rage of cock holsters stroke you.

The Mother Storm was vastly weakened by her fight with Odin when she was deposited inside Mjolnir:
https://i.imgur.com/LK879ks.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Tvas8Jp.jpg

She was sealed within by using magics that not even Odin could name:
https://i.imgur.com/7OfHa4F.jpg

To portray this as Mjolnir's durability is stupid as shit. I have no doubt you'll continue doing so!

Furthermore, you don't seem to understand how this 'passing through suns' stuff works, but you'll thumbs up operator anyway, because you think it proves your point.

Do you smoke? Do you have a lighter at hand?

Any one will do.

Light it up.

Pass your finger through the fire, really fast.

Did your skin melt off? No? Ok.

Now hold your finger for 60 seconds.

Did you skin melt off? Oh, what's that, now you can't type on the keyboard?

Well, bran, that's the difference between Mjolnir passing through the sun, and Mjolnir (along with Mangog) staying inside the sun.

They're...not the same thing.

Doing one doesn't contradict the other.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
I was waiting until someone posted this.

So, off the top of my mind Mjolnir has been used against heat and sun stuff along that nature:
To capture the Mother Storm who could snuff out suns
It burned out a sun forging it
It went into the sun against Gorr
The Atum fight
It was taking blasts from Phoenix when its heat was felt galaxies away
To enter the sun and kill the Builder
To turn a supernova comet back into a sun

And then you have all the "heat of a thousand cocks" shit along with big bang whatever shit. Plus the Twilight Sword and however hot Mephisto's hell is. Glory and Firelord's fire. It also releases lightning all the time and released a Mother Storm from the hammer that should have been pretty hot with all the giant lightning and shit. Anti Twilight also got burned off of Mjolnir when he stabbed Surtur in Everything Burns.


It would seem odd if a sun destroyed Mjolnir to me. Not saying he isn't going to write it, but it wouldn't be the greatest thing.

Tbh the "thousand suns" statements -- those particularly i don't really put much weight in. I recall heimdall striking thor with the power of "countless suns", or thor weakening surtur with the power of thousand suns or some such. Statements of that sort are similar to sentry's million exploding suns. They're just too extraordinary to believe. For instance, mjolnir having the power of a star (lorn bolt) is believable, but those statements with "thousands of suns bla bla bla" are a bit too much.

good list though. I also believe that thor reignited a sun when he absorbed the null bomb no?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Why you didn't include the page in which Thor gets pimpslapped?



it would have ruined his moment of glory.

Originally posted by operator616
I also believe that thor reignited a sun when he absorbed the null bomb no?



Was about to post that.

Originally posted by operator616
Tbh the "thousand suns" statements -- those particularly i don't really put much weight in. I recall heimdall striking thor with the power of "countless suns", or thor weakening surtur with the power of thousand suns or some such. Statements of that sort are similar to sentry's million exploding suns. They're just too extraordinary to believe. For instance, mjolnir having the power of a star (lorn bolt) is believable, but those statements with "thousands of suns bla bla bla" are a bit too much.

good list though. I also believe that thor reignited a sun when he absorbed the null bomb no?





it would have ruined his moment of glory. Yeah, I was just adding the hyperbole because I know others enjoy it. Lorn bolt is a good one though. I was trying to think of big lightning attacks. I don't remember if that came from his hammer or not though.

I vaguely remember the null bomb though. You're going to have to refresh me on these.

well, again, i wouldn't be surprised if it did meet its end in a star. that IS what allowed it to be forged:

https://imgur.com/a/gUlNc

a star was the source of heat in the furnace, but it resisted being shaped until the end. it seemed to suffer the heat without melting for at least 17 days--even after 17 days it seems it was still resisting being forged. so how long would it need to be in there before it finally melted? who knows. and to me it seems like melting it would do nothing more than set mother storm free... /shrug

i do not really think it would be a great end to the hammer though, obviously. and i'm still not convinced--by any stretch--that it WILL actually prove to be destroyed.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
You must really like abhi. You insult me anytime you think you can even compare me to him. Does he send you dick pics or something?

The context doesn't make it any less though. The hammer still contained it. What I think of him is irrelevant. Stop trying to deflect onto some gay romance, to hide your hypocrisy.

You omitted context which explicitly says that the storm is trapped inside the uru through dark and primal magic that not even Odin could say. That's not a physical durability feat for Mjolnir. You presented it as such. You keep presenting it as such, when it's said directly that unknown magic was used to trap her there.

You mislead people by not posting the full context.

You can't even own up to that shit.

After you do..

Mjolnir/Mother Storm using their abilities is now proof that Mjolnir can survive inside the sun?

What's next, every time Iron Man sends a repulsor beam it means that he can take it without flinching?

You're going full moron, here. Stop.



You just used operator's example, of Mjolnir passing through the sun at faster than light, to say that it would make it weird if Mjolnir sitting in the sun is destroyed.

You're wrong. That's not how it works.

Are we going to stay pages on-end until you admit you were wrong on both of these points, or can we move on?

I thought a lighter example would be easy enough.

And show you other things, like for example the Sun is not solely about heat!

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Yeah, I was just adding the hyperbole because I know others enjoy it. Lorn bolt is a good one though. I was trying to think of big lightning attacks. I don't remember if that came from his hammer or not though.

I vaguely remember the null bomb though. You're going to have to refresh me on these.

The Celestial's null bomb was about to destroy the Black Galaxy. Thor absorbed the energy, and channeled it into a dying Star.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir149-EnergyAbsorption.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/126128/4149499-0576592181-prv16.jpg

Mjolnir can not just absorb, channel and redirect ridiculous amounts of energy, it can also Store it for ridiculous lengths of time.

For the record, Remender (The writer of Uncanny) and Aaron worked very closely together during this period because of the Apocalypse fight, and the origins of Thor's axe.

Originally posted by leonidas
well, again, i wouldn't be surprised if it did meet its end in a star. that IS what allowed it to be forged:

https://imgur.com/a/gUlNc

a star was the source of heat in the furnace, but it resisted being shaped until the end. it seemed to suffer the heat without melting for at least 17 days--even after 17 days it seems it was still resisting being forged. so how long would it need to be in there before it finally melted? who knows. and to me it seems like melting it would do nothing more than set mother storm free... /shrug

i do not really think it would be a great end to the hammer though, obviously. and i'm still not convinced--by any stretch--that it WILL actually prove to be destroyed.

I believe we DO see the Mother Storm being freed in the last panel here:
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38032646/The_Mighty_Thor_2015-_705-017.jpg.html#

Right before Thor says she killed Mjolnir:
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38032647/The_Mighty_Thor_2015-_705-018.jpg.html

Either that, or the "KRAKOOOOOM" is of Mjolnir being destroyed. But the storm effect with wind/lightning seems too much of a coincidence.

Incidentally, the same sound effect was used when Jane asked for the Mother Storm's assistance in the supernova scene that Bran posted:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11131/111314606/5742555-7890160695-57425.jpg

Nice Magneto sig.

Perfect for raping thorbags left and right

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Celestial's null bomb was about to destroy the Black Galaxy. Thor absorbed the energy, and channeled it into a dying Star.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir149-EnergyAbsorption.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/126128/4149499-0576592181-prv16.jpg

Mjolnir can not just absorb, channel and redirect ridiculous amounts of energy, it can also Store it for ridiculous lengths of time.

For the record, Remender (The writer of Uncanny) and Aaron worked very closely together during this period because of the Apocalypse fight, and the origins of Thor's axe.

The way it absorbs energy is because of magic. There is no physics connection there. You can't equate being able to absorb energy MAGICALLY with durability against heat and pressure.

Wait wait wait....so now when Jane summons the Mother Storm, that has no bearing on the durability of the hammer?

Great Scott!

Philo has officially lost his four remaining brain cells jerking off to Abhil's posts.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
I said it right in my post which you blatantly ignored because you're on a witchhunt to crucify anyone who goes against your sugar daddy..

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wait wait wait....so now when Jane summons the Mother Storm, that has no bearing on the durability of the hammer?

Great Scott!

Philo has officially lost his four remaining brain cells jerking off to Abhil's posts.



I wasn't even using it as that great of a feat. I was just using it to flow into it being able to handle going into a sun... which he hasn't even pretended to address, he's just arguing about things never said, or meant

Mister Straws is about to say I was saying Mjolnir can now handle galaxy destroying attacks though, and nothing less will do.

I don't even know what his point so far in this thread has been.

That Mjolnir being destroyed in the Sun is not utterly impossible? Sure, I guess. A Cosmic Entity could also be killed by the Sun depending on the writer. Does it make it likely or even consistent with canon? Hell no.

But I don't think any reasonable person would disagree with those above statements.

Tbh, I don't think he knows his own point either. He'll just post walls of text in the hopes nobody notices.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't even know what his point so far in this thread has been.

That Mjolnir being destroyed in the Sun is not utterly impossible? Sure, I guess. A Cosmic Entity could also be killed by the Sun depending on the writer. Does it make it likely or even consistent with canon? Hell no.

But I don't think any reasonable person would disagree with those above statements.

Tbh, I don't think he knows his own point either. He'll just post walls of text in the hopes nobody notices. He thinks he got me. Trying to get one over on ole bran by pretending me just vaguely pointing to a feat is me intentionally trying to mislead everyone else like everyone who knows what I'm talking about wouldn't know the context. When I'm responding to ****ing Operator.

I don't know if this guy hasn't read my posts before, but about 90 percent of them don't exactly contain great context. It's only when I really need address something or explain something.

It's why he's ignoring you too. He wants ME to be wrong. One thing I never said, and one thing changes **** all. He's probably looking through Thor's history to try and disprove something irrelevant to the Mother Storm retcon right now. I might as well have posted the Exitar scene to try and spin that into his storms.

For you who might be unaware, Thor channeled his Godblast into Mjolnir protected by the Belt of Strength into a dome inside Exitar's head, and it broke his hammer. Just thought you should know that Rage, in case I was trying to mislead you.

Damn, Bran is uses walls of text!

How unexpected!

Maybe he says something about abhi!

Maybe he backs down and tries to play it cool!

Which one will it be?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Which apparently if I write short sentences vaguely defining a feat I am guaranteed to be confused, straw manned to shit, and misinterpreted, because I didn't include all the context in 10 words or less on my phone. I actually meant this or that because I used a few words? lol, get ****ed Phildo. It's one thing to use a short summary of the feat, and it's another thing to make a feat where there is none. It was dark & primal magic by Odin that was keeping the Mother Storm inside the hammer, which has nothing to do with the hammer's durability inside the sun.

Your entire argument was resting on the hammer's durability containing her when she can snuff out suns.

You were wrong about what was containing her, which is magic, not the hammer's durability.



I don't need to prove that you're wrong.

I need to prove that you're a hypocritical piece of shit, just like most of the people here, but that's always taking the high horse because he has the 'popular' opinions.

So...you can eat shit.

Mother Storm was kept inside by the magics, not Uru. That is clearly stated.



Brantard: The hammer's output shows how DURABLE the hammer is!
Me: Iron Man's output shows how DURABLE the Iron Man's armor is
Brantard: HOW BAD TO USE IRON MAN!




You compiled a list of examples of why Mjolnir being destroyed inside the sun would be odd, as a continuation of operator's scan, which you quoted.



HAHAHAHAHA

"I never meant it as proof"
"I never said it would be WRONG....I just said it would be WEIRD!!"
"I never meant them to have context, I was spitballing"

GTFO.

You have your ego so broken that you need rage to console you.

I hope you spontaneously e-combust next time you pick on abhi for ignoring context.


Abhi....feel free to say that you were just 'spitballing stuff' next time Bran talks shit. It definitely works!

Holy shit do you even know how to read Phildo? You're the king of straw in an argument about fire. Look at how mad you are because you made something about nothing though. "He didn't explain everything in a post directed to Operator, he must be deceitful, let me go ****ing ballistic!"

Let us see how much Phildo ignores... almost everything it seems. I am surprised.

Well, let us use the context that Phildo just complained about me not using. What a doofus.

"You're not using context"
"Look at that wall of text full of context"

Simple minds get plowed from behind.



You're an absolute retard if you think I was making an argument in my first post, and also if you think I'm basing everything on it. Just because you ignore the entire post except only what you can or what you think you can address, doesn't mean that's my entire argument. There was a list for a ****ing reason you peon.

The magic was only confining her to the hammer... it was never, not once said to be the the thing protecting Uru. Not even alluded to or implied. Not once Phildo. There is a difference. And considering the storm was still raging from within, and blasting out storms, along with anything else, it stands to reason that the hammer can take it.

You're acting like he could have used a piece of glass and contained the God Tempest.

I've already said it, and you ignored all of it, but let's repeat what Rage said... which you also ignored.






Again, you rear your severe lack of reading comprehension if you think this is my argument. I even said it... again, why do I have to keep repeating myself?

"That being said, it was only stated to have trapped her within the confines. Because she could have escaped otherwise. It was never said to reinforce the Uru from her power."

And what do you say in response to this?

"Mother Storm was kept inside by the magics, not Uru. That is clearly stated."

I'm not saying the Uru kept her inside Mr Dunning-Kruger Effect "Everyone is wrong on this forum but me", I'm saying the Uru was never said to be protected against her power. Obviously the magic kept her contained - he just trapped a galaxy sized storm inside a hammer for ****s sake, obviously magic was involved - but the magic keeping her inside does not mean the Uru isn't taking any of the power. Had this been alluded to, or implied to be the case, we could point to it.

BUT YOU CAN'T

You can only make large leaps of logic while ignoring that the ****ing hammer can summon the storm at will and take the storm. We see a galaxy spanning lightning bolt being fired from the hammer that seems to hit it as well. We literally see the hammer get bombarded with its own energy all the time. Lightning bolts come from the sky and hit it, which apparently is just a soft touch. We see the hammer being enveloped in lightning all the time. Are we under the belief that whenever lightning touches the hammer that the hammer being strong has nothing to do with it?

And as for output:

We've seen what happens when he puts too much energy through the hammer. It breaks. It's not infallible at handling this energy. The durability of the Uru has a massive part in this.
And the storms still being capable of galaxy spanning lengths was my original point in saying that the Uru is still containing a large amount of power in the God Tempests.

No, not everytime Thor uses the power is the storm coming back at him, but when that storm is literally inside his hammer, well, that's when it's relevant. It is channeling and capable of handling the power inside it, even when it's outside. If you weren't such a dumb piece of shit, you'd realize the point. Instead you're going to fly into a rage and misinterpret my point as always while ignoring all context.


Also, I see you crying about people having popular opinions pretty often on this forum. I believe you've said it in regards to me before too. You're acting like this is something I relish in or something I bring to the table all the time. You're acting like people even read my posts. Like I don't argue with a lot of people all the time.
Do you even think about what you're posting when you go into your hissy fits? What does this have to do with anything I said? If you're going to be a big crybaby that the whole forum is against abhi you then leave. The forum isn't for you. You and your daddy need a new place. Actually, not even Abhi because he doesn't cry about the mistreatment of him near as much as you. You take the way Abhi is treated harder than Abhi.

I have never seen anyone white knight another person on this forum harder than you swing off his nuts. What was even the point of bringing him up in this thread when you're the ****ing guy ignoring the context of the post? What does he have over you exactly? He's got a massive dick doesn't he? I bet you wish your face was always covered in warm abhi goo.

I don't even mean to insult Abhi here, as I'm sure he doesn't reciprocate the love. I'm just saying that you would love nothing more than him roughing up your anus everyday.




Holy shit are you desperate.

The hammer literally envelops itself in lightning all the time. Iron Man's repulsors largely only go one way. Mjolnir is an "unbreakable" hammer that can fire energy in all directions. It's not the same. I shouldn't have to even explain this to you but you flew into a rage and got desperate.

Iron Man's entire suit isn't made of the same thing that can fire blasts. Nor do the blasts fire back into them all the time.

And if we're speaking of energy absorption, then even that has limits.

Here though, because I have to highlight important points because you're apparently cum drunk and can't think straight.

"All of these storms that come directly out of and hit the hammer are forces it itself is encountering. There's no shield protecting it or what have you, that is its direct durability. It doesn't have literal portals and openings to release the power, the whole ****ing hammer head releases the power. And the whole head gets bombarded with this power as well."


What this means is not necessary everything that comes out of the hammer is its durability (though it does show what's inside the Uru), but when what comes from within and redirects back on Mjolnir? Yeah, it counts as durability. And when energy is flowing through it, the hammer has to be durable enough to withstand this.

Think Superman in the sun. He still has to be durable enough to encounter the sun even if he is getting continuously amped.

Learn how to read.

"I never said that one thing or another was definite proof. I never even said the hammer can't be destroyed. I just said that with all factors taken into account, the hammer being destroyed would be weird."

Which it would be.

I explained my original point and why I posted it (which caused you to explode for no reason because you're simple), and I posted how that differs from what you're accusing me of doing.


Now you got so confused that you're trying to make fun of me for using previous feats of Mjolnir dealing with sun stuff and me saying that it shouldn't be destroyed by it being sent to the sun, which I clarified wasn't a prolonged period of time, but rather a very fast dip which Thor said would kill it as soon as he found out it went to the sun. And yes, I do stand by that. It shouldn't be destroyed just being sent to the sun, and it would be weird. And what my original post was, was spitballing. That is not the ****ing same as you pretending I'm saying it can't be destroyed by an extended stay in the sun, and you know it.

But yes, let's pretend Mjolnir being in the sun multiple times has nothing to do with Mjolnir being destroyed by being sent to the sun (my original point). I've clarified the difference enough times that you'd have to be literally retarded to keep pretending that was my original intent. A ****ing bozo who's trying to insert words in someone's mouth just because he's taken one too many forced jizzshots down his throat. I bet Abhi's never even sucked you off either. Out in the cold friend, always left out.



Do you even know what you're talking about? Your response is an absolute jumbled mess of ideas jumping from every which way. And your end response is literally LoB. I thought you better than this... I was wrong.

If you want to have an insult war, let's have an insult war, no qualms there. But your actual argument is trash. You've dropped every semblance of your original point besides the magic being in the hammer (although you still are made of straws apparently, but you seem to be trying to move away from it), and instead are trying to twist everything I say while I clarify my posts in the very thing you're replying to. Which is my reason for length... to avoid people doing the exact things you're doing. You could read my post and find things that say the exact opposite of what you're saying I said. That's how ****ing stupid your argument is now.

This is only making you look really dumb because you apparently can't read for shit. You lack the ability to insult and actually refute or even read a point, you're terrible at this. Yes, everyone is the problem on the forum but you Mr Straws. Tell me more about how Iron Man's suit is like Mjolnir though.

Originally posted by Philosophia
I don't need to prove that you're wrong.

I need to prove that you're a hypocritical piece of shit, just like most of the people here, but that's always taking the high horse because he has the 'popular' opinions.

So...you can eat shit.

Mother Storm was kept inside by the magics, not Uru. That is clearly stated.

This is spectacularly stupid. Odin trapped the Mother Storm through primal magic in the Uru. This is true:
https://s9.postimg.org/5wqea6tnv/RCO013_1476893868.jpg

No where does it say it was his magic preventing the MotherStorm from shattering the Uru and breaking free...that was the inherent durability of the metal.

Why did he use Uru besides, say, a f*cking piece of rock or pottery? Because, and as reinforced multiple times during the comic, it's really f*cking tough. Uru is the toughest and rarest metal in the Universe, a remnant of the rock of creation, that even the forges of the Dwarves could not smelt.

They pulled a Star from the sky and within a day it was destroyed, and that was just to heat the raw Uru enough so they could hammer the edges of the Uru into shape:https://s9.postimg.org/c144iax1n/RCO015_1476893868.jpg

What is the take away from all of this? Uru is really really TOUGH, and that toughness is one of the reasons why it can hold the Motherstorm, a cosmic phenomenon that:
https://s9.postimg.org/luz40bvln/RCO010_1476893868.jpg

"Its winds blew comets, off course, ripped worlds from their orbit, and snuffed out Stars like flickering Candles. Its lightning left clouds of dust where once where moons. Its thunder made even black holes tremble."

That toughness also suggests Mjolnir being destroyed by a Star is really really unlikely and also illogical. Which was Bran's point in the first place.

You are retarded. Also, I didn't realize how much you s*cked Abhiligends cock. Jesus.

Holy shit, two walls of text!

Didn't think I'd get a meltdown out of you, good lord.

Let'see how much shit you can throw.



Oh, dear. You're not going to say that your verbal diarrhea has actual substance, will you? You're desperately trying to bury everything in walls of text, hoping nobody will read it, and backing yourself out of the shithole your initial posts were.

Then you're shitstorming with "I'm providing context"

lol




I've seen you squat. I'm down for that ass, but I won't use lube.



Haha, "my first post was just spitballing" strikes again!

You were listing instances that would make Mjolnir being destroyed by the sun contradictory....oh, excuse me....WEIRD!

What does WEIRD mean, branny boy?



The magic trapped her inside the Uru material.

That material was then molded USING A STAR into the hammer.

Now, take a deep breath brantard.

Read those last two sentences.

I even underlined the relevant part.

Do you notice something, or are you going to be an idiot?

I bet you sneaky little bugger are going to be the latter!

Let's...simplify it. For simple minds.

Your position is that a being AS BIG AS A GALAXY who SNUFFS OUT SUNS LIKE CANDLES can't BREAK A MATERIAL THAT IS SPECIFICALLY MOLDED BY A SINGLE STAR IN THE SAME ISSUE, and the PRIMAL MAGICS UNKNOWN EVEN TO ODIN THAT SPECIFICALLY TRAP HER THERE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HER INABILITY TO BREAK IT

Ayyyyy lmao.

I hope everybody reads this.

Branny boy, you're dumber than anybody you're accusing of being dumb.



You're saying the stupidest shit I've ever seen, bar none.

You're the first person on the forum who's arguing characters releasing their power AWAY from them is actually a durability feat FOR them.

ESPECIALLY WHEN THE CHARACTER THEY'RE RELEASING IS AN ACTUAL SENTIENT BEING

Imagine people arguing that Green Lantern rings are tough enough to take a Krona Blast WITHOUT damage.

Imagine people arguing that Superman's retina is capable of taking supernovas, or blasts that one-shot Despero, or blasts that seal space/time WITHOUT damage.

Imagine Iron Man's armor being capable of tanking all of his attacks WITHOUT DAMAGE.

Imagine not knowing the difference between channeling something, and withstanding it.

Imagine...imagine how dumb you are, bran.

If you do, you will weep.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This is spectacularly stupid. Odin trapped the Mother Storm through primal magic in the Uru. This is true:
https://s9.postimg.org/5wqea6tnv/RCO013_1476893868.jpg

No where does it say it was his magic preventing the MotherStorm from shattering the Uru and breaking free...that was the inherent durability of the metal.


The storm was WEAKENED with it's long battle with Odin, that's why it was trapped. That's why it cant get out.

And youre still ignoring that the hammer was forge in a star. Why is it so hard to believe that a star can also undo the work?

https://m.popkey.co/c72f18/kWRQd.gif

Originally posted by xJLxKing
The storm was WEAKENED with it's long battle with Odin, that's why it was trapped. That's why it cant get out.

And youre still ignoring that the hammer was forge in a star. Why is it so hard to believe that a star can also undo the work?

Imagine how dumb someone has to be to have this train of thought:

Bran and rage ignore context to prop up Thor. Who would've guessed?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
The storm was WEAKENED with it's long battle with Odin, that's why it was trapped. That's why it cant get out.

And youre still ignoring that the hammer was forge in a star. Why is it so hard to believe that a star can also undo the work?

See my earlier post. You...just made that up? Post a scan? Because everyone thought the Motherstorm was dead but Jane released it, it was instantly recognized and spanned a Galaxy...

Read Thor #12. A Star died just heating the metal enough so it could be hammered into shape. And even, then, it took the efforts of all the dwarves and seventeen days; the metal resisted the entire process. Even after the Star died, raw uru was almost impossible to forge. And that was before the enchantment.

Again, a Star died just to heat the metal to be shaped slightly. You could leave Mjolnir in the Sun until it dies and it wouldn't be scruffed.

Thats the irony of all this is, Aaron's own retcon makes Mjolnir far more durable and special in origin outside of it being Thor's hammer.

Because I read Aaron's run from start to finish? Aaron has a plot point where Thor has a headquarters in the heart of the Sun as a cosmic cop. Ultimate Mjolnir survived the destruction of the Universe as the walls of creation fell around it. I think it's pretty clear that for this Mangog story line to make sense, we have to basically ignore everything else.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Bran and rage ignore context to prop up Thor. Who would've guessed?

You have nothing to offer to this conversation.

Piss off Ghost!

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You have nothing to offer to this conversation.

Piss off Ghost!
Oh yes I do. I will like nothing more than break you and bran once more but I'm more content seeing you make a fool of yourself.

If Mjolnir comes racing out of the sun next month, the effort it will take to get peoples feet out of their own mouths...

This reminds me of the shit storm that started when Hulk,had "lifted" Mjolnir in indestructible Hulk.

Originally posted by Damborgson
If Mjolnir comes racing out of the sun next month, the effort it will take to get peoples feet out of their own mouths...

This reminds me of the shit storm that started when Hulk,had "lifted" Mjolnir in indestructible Hulk.
Sure. And Aaron will have Odin be the wise and benevolent god of gods he once was.

And pigs will fly.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Bran and rage ignore context to prop up Thor. Who would've guessed? You should read the whole discussion. It is quite possibly the most hilarious shit I've ever seen.

Look specifically for Bran trying to say Mjolnir is durable because Mother Storm came out of it to stop that supernova.

Or look at his last post, to see him saying that Mother Storm can't break Uru because her power of "snuffing out suns and thunder that makes black holes tremble" are just "weather stuff" and you'd need just the "heat" of one sun to do so, which she is obviously not capable of replicating.

I rarely have seen someone say something so stupid, but the whole discussion was worth it, just to put him in the corner and bring him to the point where he looks like an idiot.

Originally posted by Damborgson
If Mjolnir comes racing out of the sun next month, the effort it will take to get peoples feet out of their own mouths...

Not only that, but it makes Thor look like an a$$hole drama queen. Why yell "you killed Mjolnir!" if nothing happened to the hammer? It comes off as Thor trying to steal the thunder (so to speak) from Jane's crowning achievement just before she dies of cancer.

Originally posted by Damborgson
If Mjolnir comes racing out of the sun next month, the effort it will take to get peoples feet out of their own mouths...

This reminds me of the shit storm that started when Hulk,had "lifted" Mjolnir in indestructible Hulk.

. I will go on record right now and say, let's see what happens next.

Still fun to ask the questions though. But Mjolnir may well still be around.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
See my earlier post. You...just made that up? Post a scan? Because everyone thought the Motherstorm was dead but Jane released it, it was instantly recognized and spanned a Galaxy...

Read Thor #12. A Star died just heating the metal enough so it could be hammered into shape. And even, then, it took the efforts of all the dwarves and seventeen days; the metal resisted the entire process. Even after the Star died, raw uru was almost impossible to forge. And that was before the enchantment.

Again, a Star died just to heat the metal to be shaped slightly. You could leave Mjolnir in the Sun until it dies and it wouldn't be scruffed.

Thats the irony of all this is, Aaron's own retcon makes Mjolnir far more durable and special in origin outside of it being Thor's hammer.

Because I read Aaron's run from start to finish? Aaron has a plot point where Thor has a headquarters in the heart of the Sun as a cosmic cop. Ultimate Mjolnir survived the destruction of the Universe as the walls of creation fell around it. I think it's pretty clear that for this Mangog story line to make sense, we have to basically ignore everything else.

The shit is stupid. How does Dwarves use a star to forge a hammer? Did they teleport inside the star and work on the hammer?
Did they teleport a small portion of the star to their forge in Asgard and use it to heat Mjolnir?

Originally posted by h1a8
The shit is stupid. How does Dwarves use a star to forge a hammer? Did they teleport inside the star and work on the hammer?
Did they teleport a small portion of the star to their forge in Asgard and use it to heat Mjolnir?
Keep in mind, dwarves usually have their hands full fighting trolls like Ulik. Trolls must be galaxy busters or something.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
If Mjolnir stays in the sun long enough, wouldn't be surprised if it breaks. No one in their right mind would want to stay in that thing for a prolonged period of time.

But based on its history, it would be a bit "weird" just to reiterate the prevailing thought here. At least I think that's the prevailing thought.
The strawmanning is crazee though. Sniper style. Lotsa hurt feelings.

the funny thing is they used a CHAIN to hook the star and pull it down. whatever metal they forged the chain and hook out of must have been pretty strong too.

then the whole pulling down a star, and fitting it into a forge...

yeah, pretty sure it is intended to sound, you know, "mythological" and was not intended to be looked at in the way we are.

i did like that book though and it even specifically said PART of the story that is often forgotten regards mother storm, and specifically states there are many stories told about the hammer's creation. i think aaron went out of his way to NOT suggest he was changing the origin--he was simply adding one more level of story to it. he hints there are other layers that may still be hidden as well.

personally, i don't think any of the "new origin" was intended to be taken as factual, but hey, what good does that view hold in terms of discussion and arguing... /shrug

Originally posted by abhilegend
So bran, let's have a little chat, shall we?

Odin (who is more powerful than the mother storm) shit himself when it was shown that Asgardia was colliding with sun.

https://i.imgur.com/oVB7uGl.jpg


Just sayin.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So bran, let's have a little chat, shall we?

Odin (who is more powerful than the mother storm) shit himself when it was shown that Asgardia was colliding with sun.

You literally just made that up. Scans please.

The MotherStorm in the same comic that Odin defeated it:
https://postimg.org/image/luz40bvln/

"Its winds blew comets, off course, ripped worlds from their orbit, and snuffed out Stars like flickering Candles. Its lightning left clouds of dust where once where moons. Its thunder made even black holes tremble."

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mangog (who is explicitly more powerful than Odin, Phoenix or Destroyer who has been stated to be more durable than mjolnir) burns in the sun.

Mangog is not more durable than Mjolnir.

Your logic also falls apart terribly when you realize you're implying that not only Odin, but the Phoenix would be destroyed by the Sun. The Phoenix's call to fame is that it is a giant cosmic fire bird that eats Stars and planets...

Mangog getting his outer layer singed does not mean the Sun destroyed him btw.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The writer more or less confirmed that mjolnir is destroyed

You literally just made that up.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
https://i.imgur.com/oVB7uGl.jpg


Just sayin.

Sad that he had to touch on that.....

No one gave a shit about the Sun. The danger wasn't that Asgardia was falling into the Sun. The danger was that Asgardia was falling into the Sun while Mangog was rampaging.

I just realized this is pointless. The Superman brigade will run with this because it is in their nature to care more about other characters than any other faction I've ever encountered on forums.

@xJLxKingx

I don't think it was clearly shown or stated that they were "afraid" of the sun. Don't get me wrong since the sun is still the sun. It's really phukkin hot and has been portrayed to hurt extremely powerful individuals in this medium.

Aaron was a bit wishy washy and confusing at times.
Too many things were going on in the fight. There were many factors that added gravity to the sun. There were less powerful Asgardians that were in danger, Asgardia would be destroyed(no one would want to stick around for that), Odin and crew were beat the phuk down to shiet(Mango is a beast), Odin is a jack@$$ and seems lesser, etc...

But as for the main players, Mango and Odinson were not really concerned with the sun in respect to their safety.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1nL5Cd2Nl4g/WrMtDcM4NYI/AAAAAAABOII/P_EmgWTGmU8A-LYffaJeM3LXXMwNVJQqACLcBGAs/s1600/092_0014.jpg

It took a silly plot device(gleipnir) since we saw Mango leap from the sun after his first bathing to finally stop him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You literally just made that up. Scans please.

The MotherStorm in the same comic that Odin defeated it:
https://postimg.org/image/luz40bvln/

"Its winds blew comets, off course, ripped worlds from their orbit, and snuffed out Stars like flickering Candles. Its lightning left clouds of dust where once where moons. Its thunder made even black holes tremble."

I made what? Odin wasn't more powerful than Mother Storm?

Destroyer is and Mangog chewed him up like nothing.

Circular logic, eh?

So somehow Mangog is not stated to be more powerful than Odin and Phoenix?



Nobody said it did. But getting burned in the sun is hardly something more powerful than Odin should do.

He literally says that sun is not a comfy place for even mjolnir. What do you think that means?

Originally posted by abhilegend

Destroyer is and Mangog chewed him up like nothing.


Destroyer is more durable than Mjolnir? Since when?

Thought he was equal to it?

And can't it be argued that its invulnerability depends on the host?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Destroyer is more durable than Mjolnir? Since when?

Thought he was equal to it?

And can't it be argued that its invulnerability depends on the host?
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/3319072-mh1984+more+durable+than+ultron.jpg

Marvel handbook 1984

It's odd because BRB has flown in and out of stars without any problems whatsoever:
https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38061805_1.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38061806_2.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38061807_3.jpg
*He was searching those stars for a very small(by comparison) item, so he was undoubtedly within them for an extended period of time.

...And Stormbreaker is supposed to be equal to Mjolnir in every conceivable way(as is the enchantment is bestows upon Bill.) mmm

lol if you think about it too hard it just hurts your head.

Bill is more durable.

And Stormbreaker is better tham Mjolnir, Galanea69.

For example, anti-gravitational tech failed on it... while Rulk easily disarmed and raped Thor in the outer space.

can't argue with that kind of logic.

Originally posted by Galan007
...And Stormbreaker is supposed to be equal to Mjolnir in every conceivable way(as is the enchantment is bestows upon Bill.) mmm
So there's two mother storms?

Three.

Third one in Galanea's anus, as we speak.

https://tinyurl.com/93362g2

BRB's heat tolerance is superior to that of Thor.

Bill (without thorpowers, even) won their second fight because Thor couldn't stand the heat of some lava.

http://img2.looper.com/img/gallery/superheroes-that-have-defeated-thor/beta-ray-bill-1507051828.jpg

It was the heat of the realm. Bill recovered first because he's used to extreme heat.

Originally posted by Magnon
BRB's heat tolerance is superior to that of Thor.

Bill (without thorpowers, even) won their second fight because Thor couldn't stand the heat of some lava.

I don't get why you'd lie about something we can google.

https://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2011/04/500x_betaray.jpg

The heat revived Bill, it had nothing to do with superior durability to lava. Bill also immediately collapses in the next scene and attributes his win to luck on top of that:
https://s31.postimg.org/fehmj026v/RCO002.jpghttps://s31.postimg.org/s5vspi493/RCO008.jpg

In the top half of the cropped scan, they appear to fall into the lava, but that doesn't make much sense based on the flow of the story to me personally:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120804/3877450-brb_physical7.jpg

You are also ignoring the scene where Bill dodges falling into the "lava" as well:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120804/3877453-brb_physical9.jpg

It also wasn't just regular lava. Odin chose a realm, specifically where even Gods can perish. That is why both Bill and Thor avoided the environment:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120804/3877449-brb_physical6.jpg

In summation, Bill wouldn't endure something heat generated with any superiority based on the available evidence (The Sun is as much about heat as a Black Hole is about gravity. The forces at play are so much superior, it's like saying the Speed Force makes someone "fast".)

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Bill is more durable.

And Stormbreaker is better tham Mjolnir, Galanea69. Probably the closest thing to 'logical' I'll see here.

Galanea69

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't get why you'd lie about something we can google.

https://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2011/04/500x_betaray.jpg

The heat revived Bill, it had nothing to do with superior durability to lava. Bill also immediately collapses in the next scene and attributes his win to luck on top of that:
https://s31.postimg.org/fehmj026v/RCO002.jpghttps://s31.postimg.org/s5vspi493/RCO008.jpg

In the top half of the cropped scan, they appear to fall into the lava, but that doesn't make much sense based on the flow of the story to me personally:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120804/3877450-brb_physical7.jpg

You are also ignoring the scene where Bill dodges falling into the "lava" as well:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120804/3877453-brb_physical9.jpg

It also wasn't just regular lava. Odin chose a realm, specifically where even Gods can perish. That is why both Bill and Thor avoided the environment:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120804/3877449-brb_physical6.jpg

In summation, Bill wouldn't endure something heat generated with any superiority based on the available evidence (The Sun is as much about heat as a Black Hole is about gravity. The forces at play are so much superior, it's like saying the Speed Force makes someone "fast".)
That doesn't makes the lava some "Super Lava". Walt had Thor fearing for his life on another occasion in Thor 347.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
https://i.imgur.com/oVB7uGl.jpg


Just sayin.
What about the next Tweet?

https://i.imgur.com/QWoGMSB.png

Wut about it?

It means he dies, confirmed

When the author gets called out on for not being consistent and he deflects the criticism

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It means he dies, confirmed
Mew mew? I'm cool withat. I guess Mango too if it's a way to take him out of the picture.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
When the author gets called out on for not being consistent and he deflects the criticism

That's really my biggest problem with his attitude.

Like, it's not our fault your story is unclear and inconsistent. Wtf? Why is he getting mad at the people support his career? Shows a serious lack of professionalism imo.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't get why you'd lie about something we can google.

The heat revived Bill, it had nothing to do with superior durability to lava.
I said Thor could not stand the heat. Thor did complain about the heat during their battle. And after the fight, he and Bill came into a conclusion that Odin might have chosen the hot battleground specifically so that Thor would lose. So, not sure how I was lying.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's odd because BRB has flown in and out of stars without any problems whatsoever:
https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38061805_1.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38061806_2.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38061807_3.jpg
*He was searching those stars for a very small(by comparison) item, so he was undoubtedly within them for an extended period of time.

...And Stormbreaker is supposed to be equal to Mjolnir in every conceivable way(as is the enchantment is bestows upon Bill.) mmm

Writers generally don't care about battle board fanboy arguments. Space cheese is usually irrelevant compared to relative showings.

Originally posted by Magnon
I said Thor could not stand the heat. Thor did complain about the heat during their battle. And after the fight, he and Bill came into a conclusion that Odin might have chosen the hot battleground specifically so that Thor would lose. So, not sure how I was lying.

He probably considered it a lie because they were both knocked out.

Bill, however, recovered faster due to the heat.