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Aquaman, Flash, Batman, Cyborg, Wonder Woman

Vs.

Ghost Rider, Yo-yo, Melinda May, Quake, and Black Bolt

*Arthur has his trident
*Robbie has his chains
Diana has her standard gear

Who wins

Morals-off Black Bolt could probably wipe out most of team DC on his own. However, I highly doubt he'd go HAM, considering what I've seen of his character.

^ Flash could potentially blitz BB before he does that. But not likely he would given his wimpy nature.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Flash could potentially blitz BB before he does that. But not likely he would given his wimpy nature.

But Yo-Yo could potentially negate Flash, and Yo-Yo is a far better combatant than Flash.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Flash could potentially blitz BB before he does that. But not likely he would given his wimpy nature.

Yeah, but as I said, at the same time, the chances of Black Bolt going all out, considering the potential destruction to everyone and everything around him, is extremely slim. Two separate characters on the show who studied his abilities (one the head of the Inhuman genetic council, and the other a human scientist studying Inhuman DNA) labeled him as a potential city buster. And even after everything Maximus did (essentially causing the destruction of their entire home), the most Black Bolt did was whisper "goodbye, brother" after trapping him inside their secret bunker.

So, just as much as Flash might be too wimpy to act, Black Bolt might have too much restraint to cut loose.

Originally posted by FrothByte
But Yo-Yo could potentially negate Flash, and Yo-Yo is a far better combatant than Flash.

I am also assuming Yo-Yo still has her arms for this match, lol.

Originally posted by FrothByte
But Yo-Yo could potentially negate Flash, and Yo-Yo is a far better combatant than Flash.

Ah yes forgot about Yo-Yo

Superman solos

Originally posted by relentless1
Superman solos

Someone didn't read the Op.

Originally posted by relentless1
Superman solos

How exactly did you come to this conclusion, considering Superman isn't even the OP?

Superman is so powerful he shows up no matter what. Everybody knows this.

Superman drop kicks BB into a glacier.

I am pretty sure he could scare everyone off with just that upper lip:

https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/justice-league-henry-cavills-mouth-superman.jpg

I can't fathom how anyone could look at that and think "Job well done". His mouth is literally crooked in relation to the rest of his face.

That is how mouths are on Krypton.

Originally posted by Surtur
That is how mouths are on Krypton.

It's a Supermouth...

Anyway, assuming everyone is fighting in character but are still willing to incapacitate the other team (ergo no city-busting attacks):

Yo-Yo takes care of Flash.
Melinda May is a non-factor.
Black Bolt and Quake should have enough power to repeatedly knock down the DCEU team and easily take Batman out. The rest of the DCEU team should be durable enough to take a few shots... question is how many?

Aquaman is durable but isn't quite that mobile, so either BB or Quake can simply flatten him over and over again till he's knocked out. Cyborg doesn't seem as durable as Aquaman but he can fly and has ranged weaponry. And although he doesn't have the destructive output of Quake or BB, he should be able to take out either of those 2 with a well timed shot. Problem with BB and Quake is they're pretty much glass canons.

In the end, I think this will boil down to WW vs. GR. WW is durable and mobile enough to survive against Quake's and BB's average blasts and GR is... well, I'm not even sure if you can damage the guy. I doubt WW's weapons will do much to GR but at the same time GR doesn't have the skill to keep up with WW. Did he have a penance stare in the show?

This fight is basically a brawl between DPS and tanks. I can see it going either way.

They never gave him the Penance Stare. He was already a bit OP relative to everyone else on AoS as it was.

I suppose there is the potential for BFR, considering GR learned how to create portals, similar to Earth Sorcerers, during his time in the hell dimension. But that would be an extremely hard ask. Because he'd first need the rest of his team to keep the DC guys busy long enough to open one (which requires a good few seconds where he is vulnerable to attacks), and then they would actually have to get the DC guys into said portal.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I am pretty sure he could scare everyone off with just that upper lip:

https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/justice-league-henry-cavills-mouth-superman.jpg




Damn that is scary looking

DCEU loses here

ok well since Supes isn't available then Wondy could easily blitz, so can Flash. Cy and Arthur are powerhouses... spite for DC

Originally posted by relentless1
ok well since Supes isn't available then Wondy could easily blitz, so can Flash. Cy and Arthur are powerhouses... spite for DC


LOL!!!!

Originally posted by relentless1
ok well since Supes isn't available then Wondy could easily blitz, so can Flash. Cy and Arthur are powerhouses... spite for DC

Please explain how Wonder Woman is easily blitzing Yo-Yo when Yo-Yo, by feats, is faster, and an actual legit speedster?

Ok question: What gear does Batman, Yo-yo and Melinda May have? Would seem a bit unfair to give WW and Aquaman weapons but not the humans.

Because if the humans get to be in standard gear then Yo-yo can probably just shoot WW.

I just want to know how Yo-Yo is getting blitzed (especially by Wonder Woman) when she has done things like this herself. From about 0:40 to 1:08:

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Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I just want to know how Yo-Yo is getting blitzed (especially by Wonder Woman) when she has done things like this herself. From about 0:40 to 1:08:

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You'll have to forgive relentless, he is a massive DC Fanboy. He actually used to argue that Bale Batman would beat MCU Captain America

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I just want to know how Yo-Yo is getting blitzed (especially by Wonder Woman) when she has done things like this herself. From about 0:40 to 1:08:

bxY8E9emMU0 How fast do you believe Yo-Yo to be going in this clip?

Originally posted by NemeBro
How fast do you believe Yo-Yo to be going in this clip?

Much faster than I have ever seen Wonder Woman move during a fight. And that is just one feat out of many. It's hard to actually gauge her exact speed though, because it's kind of a situation where her speed can vary depending on plot, and she also has some feats that are rather difficult to accurately quantify:

https://i.imgur.com/qGckheE.gif

Flash is quite possibly superior to her in pure speed but, as pointed out by others, he was a wimp and also literally fell over his own feet at points. Flash was somewhat portrayed like the current MCU version of Spiderman was in Homecoming. Powerful, but kind of incompetent.

Problem with Yo-Yo is she has to always return to the same spot. Thats a huge limitation for a speedster, and Pretty dangerous if her opponents know that.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Problem with Yo-Yo is she has to always return to the same spot. Thats a huge limitation for a speedster, and Pretty dangerous if her opponents know that.

It's also proven to her advantage in the past as well (where the sling back effect has pulled her from a dangerous position). And why would there be any reason for her opponents here to know that? Other than her SHIELD teammates, how many other people in the MCU even know that?

Anyway, Frothbyte actually made a good point about the gear. OP needs to clarify that first, as it could make a big difference here.

I said that it has worked as one before. And that greatly depends on what happens in between the time she starts moving and the time she returns to that spot. You're assuming someone is just going to be there at that point to do so, or even know that this would be a potential option.

How is that basic knowledge when only people with high level SHIELD clearance and maybe handful of others know it?

It's an advantage if someone tries to bfr her.

Originally posted by relentless1
ok well since Supes isn't available then Wondy could easily blitz, so can Flash. Cy and Arthur are powerhouses... spite for DC I agree.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Much faster than I have ever seen Wonder Woman move during a fight. That didn't answer my question, it avoided answering it entirely. How fast is Yo-Yo? Answer the question.

Originally posted by NemeBro
That didn't answer my question, it avoided answering it entirely. How fast is Yo-Yo? Answer the question.

Fast enough to make statues of people... which is generally how fast DCEU Flash is portrayed.

Originally posted by NemeBro
That didn't answer my question, it avoided answering it entirely. How fast is Yo-Yo? Answer the question.

I literally told you that I can't give you a specific number on her, due to plot power fluctuations, in the part of my post you conveniently cut. In one episode, she will disarm a single person in the same amount of screen time it takes her to disarm and tie up multiple people in another episode. But you don't need a specific number to be able to tell she has multiple speed feats that are better than anything Wonder Woman has done. You just need to be familiar with her overall feats.

Relevant bit is from 1:20 to 2:00.

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When has Diana ever done anything like that? Like I said, Flash is a different story, but he is lacking in experience and training in comparison to Yo-Yo, who is an experienced SHIELD field agent.

What's more, the burden of proof isn't on me here. Relentless1 made the original claim. All I did was ask him what he was basing it on, given Yo-Yo's own feats, of which I have provided more than one. It's his job to show that they have the required speed relative to her to "easily" blitz her. He has yet to do so. And if he doesn't know how fast Yo-Yo is, he can't justifiably claim that they can (nor can anyone else). I'm not going to do all the work while the other side just throw out claims and make demands.

Another thing to note in that last clip I posted. Despite the fact that she supposedly always has to return to the same spot, she doesn't there. If you pause it at 1:24, you can see her speed trail going back up the stairs from outside the room. But she stops in the room to see the results of her handiwork, at around 2:00. Which goes back to what I said about plot dictating her powers at different points.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I said that it has worked as one before. And that greatly depends on what happens in between the time she starts moving and the time she returns to that spot. You're assuming someone is just going to be there at that point to do so, or even know that this would be a potential option.

How is that basic knowledge when only people with high level SHIELD clearance and maybe handful of others know it?


My point was, even without that knowledge, if WW or Aquaman goes to punch her, she wont dodge it because after her speed thing she will be right back where she started right?

It then wouldnt take long for the team to figure out her weakness, assuming she evades those first punches. In fact Flash would likely see her move back to her starting point.

The yo-yo trick usually works against regular humans. I dont remember her KOing anyone particularly superhumanly strong in her the middle of her Yo-Yo effect. I might not be remembering a few instances though.

That is a lot of reaching on your part. How do you know their punch effort is going to line up exactly with that moment? You think they are going to happen to be in the right spot to do it, know that it needs to be done in that specific spot, because noob Flash possibly sees her go back to her starting point and somehow quickly knows that she has to? While also having to deal with other team members as well? And that's, you know, despite me just posting in an instance where she doesn't return to her starting point?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
My point was, even without that knowledge, if WW or Aquaman goes to punch her, she wont dodge it because after her speed thing she will be right back where she started right?

It then wouldnt take long for the team to figure out her weakness, assuming she evades those first punches. In fact Flash would likely see her move back to her starting point.

The yo-yo trick usually works against regular humans. I dont remember her KOing anyone particularly superhumanly strong in her the middle of her Yo-Yo effect. I might not be remembering a few instances though.

Just because Yo-Yo goes back to her original position doesn't mean that her body needs to be positioned in the exact same way. She can easily just bend her torso or lean back a bit to evade a punch or hit. Besides, as per the last few episodes of AoS she doesn't even seem to follow this stipulation anymore since there were a few scenes where she didn't go back to her starting position.

Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_JsHi8A2EM

From 0:38 to 0:53, you'll see Yo-Yo's hand position different everytime she zips back into place. At one point she's holding a gun out, the next time she zips back her hands are already at her side.

Actually if you watch the entire video, you'll find lots of examples of yo-yo zipping back into place with a different position from what she had when she started moving.

Seeing as Darth Thor seemingly can't be bothered to watch the clip I have posted and pointed out twice, once in a direct response to him:

Here is Yo-Yo coming into the one scene. Notice the speed trail/after images clearly leading up the stairs and out of the room:

https://i.imgur.com/jpmNrm0.jpg

This is where she stops after she is done. Well within the room, with the earlier stairs clearly in the background:

https://i.imgur.com/8Celcur.jpg

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I literally told you that I can't give you a specific number on her Then on what grounds can you claim to know she is much faster than Wonder Woman in combat?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Then on what grounds can you claim to know she is much faster than Wonder Woman in combat?

Because she has way better speed feats than WW. Duh.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Because she has way better speed feats than WW. Duh.

Yes, the clips I posted show Yo-Yo moving so fast that the world (even airborne people) is frozen from her perspective. I don't recall any instance of Wonder Woman moving that fast. NemeBro also failed to post any, even though I asked in my last response to him. It's also telling that he still has yet to say anything about Relentless1, the person who made the original claim and has yet to post a single feat for Wonder Woman. Hell, as far as I can tell, you and I are the only ones who have posted any feats so far.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Because she has way better speed feats than WW. Duh. This is circular reasoning my friend.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yes, the clips I posted show Yo-Yo moving so fast that the world (even airborne people) is frozen from her perspective. I don't recall any instance of Wonder Woman moving that fast.

How fast would she have to be going to perform those feats? If you don't know how fast she is actually moving, how can you compare them to another character? Do you even know how fast Diana is?



I don't have to post a thing my friend. I haven't made a single claim. Claims require evidence. If I've not made one, why must I post some?

You also seem to have a pretty erroneous idea of what the burden of proof entails my friend. The burden of proof is on you, because you're making a claim. The claim that Yo-Yo is much faster than Diana. That relentless1 made a claim that he didn't back up with proof first is completely irrelevant to whether or not you have proven your own claim.

I'm asking you to substantiate that claim by providing something that quantifies their relative speeds. That's all.



Who has yet to post a single thing since his original post (not counting the braindead one where he didn't read the OP and thought Superman was here). Why would I post to him? All I'm doing is pointing out the flaws in your debating and telling you ways you could improve. Is that so bad?



Posting feats is not necessarily synonymous with substantiating your claims. You've substantiated them a little better than relentless1 sure, but your argument still isn't particularly convincing in of itself.

Oh, and I know who literally no one on team 2 is. I'm on neither side of this debate.

Originally posted by NemeBro
This is circular reasoning my friend.
No, it's called debating by using feats. What feats does WW have to show she's faster than Yo-Yo?

stomp....flash can take out all of them in less than a second

Originally posted by $on OF krypton
stomp....flash can take out all of them in less than a second

No, he gets beaten up by Yo-yo. Not saying AOS wins, but Flash is not blitzing anyone when he has to contend with a more experienced speedster on the other team.

Originally posted by FrothByte
No, he gets beaten up by Yo-yo. Not saying AOS wins, but Flash is not blitzing anyone when he has to contend with a more experienced speedster on the other team.

Look at his registration date, he's obviously a sock account.

Originally posted by NemeBro
How fast would she have to be going to perform those feats? If you don't know how fast she is actually moving, how can you compare them to another character? Do you even know how fast Diana is?



I don't have to post a thing my friend. I haven't made a single claim. Claims require evidence. If I've not made one, why must I post some?

You also seem to have a pretty erroneous idea of what the burden of proof entails my friend. The burden of proof is on you, because you're making a claim. The claim that Yo-Yo is much faster than Diana. That relentless1 made a claim that he didn't back up with proof first is completely irrelevant to whether or not you have proven your own claim.

I'm asking you to substantiate that claim by providing something that quantifies their relative speeds. That's all.



Who has yet to post a single thing since his original post (not counting the braindead one where he didn't read the OP and thought Superman was here). Why would I post to him? All I'm doing is pointing out the flaws in your debating and telling you ways you could improve. Is that so bad?



Posting feats is not necessarily synonymous with substantiating your claims. You've substantiated them a little better than relentless1 sure, but your argument still isn't particularly convincing in of itself.

Oh, and I know who literally no one on team 2 is. I'm on neither side of this debate.


You don't always need a specific number to know who is faster. Sometimes there are enough visual cues. Just like Fox vs MCU Quicksilver. You don't need to compare exact numbers to know one is clearly a notable degree faster than the other one. There are other indicators that give you the info. It's the same case here. Wonder Woman has no feats where she is moving so fast that the world appears to have completely stopped around her. Yo-Yo? She does it routinely. Flash and Superman? Yes, we see that in Justice League. Wonder Woman? Nope.

No one else who has actually watched AoS has any issue with my speed assessment, even Darth Thor, who was arguing against Yo-Yo with regards to other points, which should be an indicator in and of itself. But anyway, by your own admission, you aren't even on a side here, and ignorant of half the characters. So, this is really nothing but a waste of my time at this point.

Besides, my entire original point was Wonder Woman isn't blitzing shit. Whether Yo-Yo is slightly faster, or a lot faster, it's not happening. Not based on actual screen evidence at least. Flash has the speed to contend, but his lack of XP got him into trouble at multiple points in Justice League, to the point where even Batman had to rescue him at one point IIRC.

Originally posted by FrothByte
No, it's called debating by using feats.

If you can't quantify the feat at all, of what use is it?

Where did I claim she was? You guys are really stuck on this idea that I'm supporting the JL here, for some reason.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
You don't always need a specific number to know who is faster.

You need to at least have a ballpark estimate.

I don't know exactly how fast Man of Steel Superman can fly, but given that he can circle a quarter of the globe in a second we're talking figures in the range of mach 10,000 or so.

This is enough quantification to say that he can fly faster than, say, Iron Man, who requires minutes to cross continents.



No, you still do. Fox's QS just happens to have feats that place his numbers quite a bit higher.



Arguments based on visual effects are not very compelling my friend. Yo-yo can move so fast normal humans appear to be standing still, from what I can tell. So what? How fast is that? Is it faster than being able to block machine-gun fire? Or blocking natural lightning projected by Ares after it was thrown? I don't know. Do you? Do you have the numbers to support your claim that it is?



That's a cute appeal to majority you've got there my friend. A sign of desperation perhaps?



It wouldn't be if you had the courage to admit you were wrong my friend.

Fact of the matter is that you are, per your own words, arguing a definitive statement without definitive numbers supporting it.



So Yo-Yo's best feat is basically moving so fast she leaves normal people statues, right?

Originally posted by NemeBro
If you can't quantify the feat at all, of what use is it?


Quantifying feats is nice and all but it isn't required. You don't get to make up rules whenever you feel like it. When one character has a speed feat that's clearly faster than another character, you don't need to crunch numbers to conclude that they are indeed faster than the other character.

Originally posted by FrothByte
When one character has a speed feat that's clearly faster than another character You don't know it's clearly faster. You merely think it is.

To know something, you must believe it, it must be true, and you must be able to support your belief in it. No one here has yet to do the last one.