OWAW Superman vs Full power Tyrant.

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JBL
Yeah I said owaw. Who wins?

RealityWarper
LOL

Tyrant walks on Superman and kills him accidentally.

panthergod
SUPESr beats the shut out of Tyrant

JBL
Originally posted by panthergod
SUPESr beats the shut out of Tyrant Really? How?

Insane Titan
Tyrant, easily

RealityWarper
Originally posted by JBL
Really? How?

The power of boring Tyrant to death probably. laughing

abhilegend
Superman destroys Tyrant.

operator616
Tyrant.

abhilegend
Originally posted by JBL
Really? How?
Because the writer said so.



And unlike your "friends", here is the link for it.

http://comicboards.com/joecasey-rc.php

abhilegend
Originally posted by operator616
Tyrant.
Why?

operator616
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why?

Would it really matter if i told you why? I can already predict your reply before you even respond.

carver9
thumb up

Insane Titan

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by JBL
Yeah I said owaw. Who wins?


Can Superman sun dip in this scenario, like he did in the actual storyline? confused

abhilegend
Originally posted by operator616
Would it really matter if i told you why? I can already predict your reply before you even respond.
I can see your response too. Humor me though.

abhilegend

RealityWarper
Abhi's fanwank is just hilarious.

Unbeatable Superman fodderized by a fodder character ! laughing

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-afd0fb6e0b652693429710f39d34e208

TheHulkster
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because the writer said so.



And unlike your "friends", here is the link for it.

http://comicboards.com/joecasey-rc.php

Thought this crap was against the rules. That was neither shown nor implied anywhere in the story.

h1a8
OWAW Superman was applying at least 5x more force than a normal average Superman.

This means he would beat Tyrant. Also remember that Superman's perception would allow him to view Tyrant in slow-mo.

If this is sundipped Superman then this fight is spite.

xJLxKing

RealityWarper
Originally posted by h1a8
OWAW Superman was applying at least 5x more force than a normal average Superman.

This means he would beat Tyrant. Also remember that Superman's perception would allow him to view Tyrant in slow-mo.

If this is sundipped Superman then this fight is spite.

You are jumping to conclusion. That's hilarious.

JBL
Originally posted by h1a8
OWAW Superman was applying at least 5x more force than a normal average Superman.

This means he would beat Tyrant. Also remember that Superman's perception would allow him to view Tyrant in slow-mo.

If this is sundipped Superman then this fight is spite. So superman was 5 times stronger than DD, WW and Zod? And what is a " NORMAL" Superman? Show him to me.

Damborgson
Full power, Galactus fighting Tyrant ? Probably Tyrant.

He'd hospitalize the one that fought Thanos though.

zopzop
Originally posted by Damborgson
He'd hospitalize the one that fought Thanos though.
How do you figure? A fully fed and prepped Galactus couldn't hospitalize him.

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Thought this crap was against the rules. That was neither shown nor implied anywhere in the story.
That was just for JBL.

abhilegend
Originally posted by zopzop
How do you figure? A fully fed and prepped Galactus couldn't hospitalize him.
As if Galactus is the be all, end all of a debate.

zopzop
Originally posted by abhilegend
As if Galactus is the be all, end all of a debate.
He isn't. I was just replying to Dam in regards to "DP" Tyrant (aka the version that Thanos fought) vs Galactus.

abhilegend
Originally posted by zopzop
He isn't. I was just replying to Dam in regards to "DP" Tyrant (aka the version that Thanos fought) vs Galactus.
Galactus was beating him down anyway before he resorted to draining him.

$on OF krypton
another version of supes MIGHT have lost to tyrant but owaw version takes this battle with tyrants head as prize to the fortress of solitude

panthergod
Originally posted by RealityWarper
You are jumping to conclusion. That's hilarious.

lol, No he isnt.

Superman explicit had more power in his individual fingers in his first fight with a Probe during OWAW in Superman 172than he showed with a speedbltiz and rage amped beyond Class 100 levels in Superman 153, his first ever fight with a Probe.

abhilegend
Superman essentially went two steps above his normal state in OWAW. First was in Superman 152 where he struggled to even dent an Imperiex probe along with Mongul. Then he went to beating Imperiex probes with a lot of trouble and matching Darkseid level (Darkseid was an utter beast in that arc, destroyed Imperiex's armor along with Kismet Superman and defeated a pissed off Superman in three attacks and could've destroyed Warworld in a single attack while it had power of Imperiex).

Then he went beyond even that level and started oneshotting Imperiex Probes like nothing. In that situation even skyfathers like Tyrant would fall.

zopzop
Originally posted by abhilegend
Galactus was beating him down anyway before he resorted to draining him.
No he wasn't. But whatever.

abhilegend
Originally posted by zopzop
No he wasn't. But whatever.
Yes, he was.

krisblaze
If Galactus purposely attacks with the kind of energy that empowers his opponents then I have a hard time seeing him beat anyone.

abhilegend
Originally posted by krisblaze
If Galactus purposely attacks with the kind of energy that empowers his opponents then I have a hard time seeing him beat anyone.
He lost to even Dire Wraiths that way.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman essentially went two steps above his normal state in OWAW. First was in Superman 152 where he struggled to even dent an Imperiex probe along with Mongul. Then he went to beating Imperiex probes with a lot of trouble and matching Darkseid level (Darkseid was an utter beast in that arc, destroyed Imperiex's armor along with Kismet Superman and defeated a pissed off Superman in three attacks and could've destroyed Warworld in a single attack while it had power of Imperiex).

Then he went beyond even that level and started oneshotting Imperiex Probes like nothing. In that situation even skyfathers like Tyrant would fall.

This is full power Tyrant. Skyfather Tyrant would also win. Superman shows to be no greater than HP Doomsday in that scene.

panthergod
Originally posted by TheHulkster
This is full power Tyrant. Skyfather Tyrant would also win. Superman shows to be no greater than HP Doomsday in that scene.

HP Doomsday would mudstomp "skuyfather" Tyrant as well.

Feats for Tyrant that dont involving fighting a being who inherently empowers him...?

panthergod
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman essentially went two steps above his normal state in OWAW. First was in Superman 152 where he struggled to even dent an Imperiex probe along with Mongul. Then he went to beating Imperiex probes with a lot of trouble and matching Darkseid level (Darkseid was an utter beast in that arc, destroyed Imperiex's armor along with Kismet Superman and defeated a pissed off Superman in three attacks and could've destroyed Warworld in a single attack while it had power of Imperiex).

Then he went beyond even that level and started oneshotting Imperiex Probes like nothing. In that situation even skyfathers like Tyrant would fall.

I'd say the Darkseid matching showing was Casey intending to display his 'All out" mode's new level compared to his Post Mongul training base level as shown in MoS 115. I'd say he was at Probe Smashing levels mindset wise but wasnt using killing tactics.

TheHulkster

cdtm
According to Casey, Superman could have beaten down Imperiex himself.

It goes without saying he'd beat Galactus, and easily.

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheHulkster
This is full power Tyrant. Skyfather Tyrant would also win. Superman shows to be no greater than HP Doomsday in that scene.
Both are the same. Tyrant was never at anything other than skyfather level.

Which is right around Darkseid level which Superman already matched and went beyond.

panthergod
Easily, too, sicne he beat characters WELL above Tyrant.. like Darkseid.


To an idiot, maybe.

If Tyrant can absorb Galactus' power, that is a tactical advantage for him.



Where?

Let's see that showing.

and, yes, I WILL laugh if you are trying to pretend as if Galactus is anywhere near Imperiex, who is deliberately far beyond him in every single way ion terms of raw power.

.. oh.. and He's above Lifebringer Galactus as well. laughing out loud




"Skyfather" Tyrant is barely beyond an Imperiex Probe's average, let alone HP Doomsday. laughing out loud


Stuperman and Doofusday would get curbstomped.

lol, "Skyfather" Tyrant can't even seriously harm a serious Superman at this point.

Doomsday tears him apart worse than Darkseid.

krisblaze
Originally posted by cdtm
According to Casey, Superman could have beaten down Imperiex himself.

It goes without saying he'd beat Galactus, and easily.

According to Bendis no character should be more powerful than city destroying lmao.

panthergod
Can anyone point to anything standard Tyrant actually DID on panel superior to Superman? Because I looked at all his appearances and... nothing.

RealityWarper
Yeah and Greg Pak wanted to have World War Hulk one-shot everyone via pure strength no matter what their abilities are.

The editors didn't make it happen.

A character is the sum of the opinions in the company, not the wishes of a single writer or editor. thumb up

carver9
Originally posted by panthergod
Can anyone point to anything standard Tyrant actually DID on panel superior to Superman? Because I looked at all his appearances and... nothing.

Gave Galactus a good fight and was working an amped Thanos.

h1a8
Originally posted by RealityWarper
You are jumping to conclusion. That's hilarious.

Not really. How many times more force was Superman applying when he was oneshotting probes vs fighting one for hours when he first encountered one?

Is is reasonable to say at least 5x more?

Originally posted by JBL
So superman was 5 times stronger than DD, WW and Zod? And what is a " NORMAL" Superman? Show him to me.

Normal Superman fought a probe for hours and did little to no damage to it. He was shown straining and using all of his might.


Later Superman was oneshotting them like they were made of tissue paper.

This is a vast increase in force application.

DD was matching Superman. So it was just as powerful.

Normal Superman is at least as strong as WW or Zod. OWAW should be easily more than 5x stronger than either of them.

P.S. Zod might be a little stronger than Normal Superman since he doesn't hold back as much.

zopzop
Originally posted by krisblaze
According to Bendis no character should be more powerful than city destroying lmao.
Assuming he meant characters like THor, Surfer, Superman, etc.. then my respect for him just went up 10000x. Power creep is annoying and gets out of hand fast.

PS Do you have a link to where he stated this?

h1a8
Originally posted by carver9
Gave Galactus a good fight and was working an amped Thanos.

The Galactus fight was plot based. He was draining Galactus in the fight. That's like saying that you are more powerful than Hercules because you gave Hulk a good fight in which you were draining Hulk.

OWAW Superman can work Thanos. He's faster and Stronger than Thanos. He could possibly one shot ko Thanos given the fact that he was oneshot killing probes.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by h1a8
The Galactus fight was plot based. He was draining Galactus in the fight. That's like saying that you are more powerful than Hercules because you gave Hulk a good fight in which you were draining Hulk.

OWAW Superman can work Thanos. He's faster and Stronger than Thanos. He could possibly one shot ko Thanos given the fact that he was oneshot killing probes.
Didnt people claim DS is easily Skyfather when he recently defeated Zeus. Yet, that exact same fight was DS absorbing Zeus power...

TheHulkster

h1a8
Crossovers aren't valid here. And what does Darkseid and Phoenix have to do with OWAW Superman?

You know it's trolling to play the high low con game?
List the highest feat for one character while listing the lowest of the other character.

I can show a much weaker character beating a much stronger character and make it look like spite doing the high low con game.

TheHulkster

TheHulkster

MrMind
superman after a hard fight

h1a8

TheHulkster
Originally posted by h1a8
Doesn't mean you can use crossovers. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just simply state that interviews can't be used.

This is OWAW Superman, not normal Superman. Normal Superman has defeated DS. Even so, the crossover holds zero evidence as to how well DS would do against Galactus.

The crossover would be the strongest evidence if allowed. But the below battle against Galactus should end this discussion.

https://aminoapps.com/c/comics/page/blog/respect-thread-tyrant-part-2/pgiQ_uRwKJqZPL1oWj05oWXE10labr

zopzop
Originally posted by TheHulkster
The crossover would be the strongest evidence if allowed. But the below battle against Galactus should end this discussion.

https://aminoapps.com/c/comics/page/blog/respect-thread-tyrant-part-2/pgiQ_uRwKJqZPL1oWj05oWXE10labr
What people are forgetting is that Galactus fed on a world that made him feel more powerful than he had in ages (his words on panel) and he wanted to confront Tyrant on Galactus' turf. Keep in mind, all this prep by Galactus for "DP" Tyrant. Let that sink in.
https://s14.postimg.org/rak5qpiel/RCO009.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/scuc998xp/RCO013.jpg

TheHulkster
Exactly!^

panthergod

panthergod
If Tyrant can absorb Galactus' power, that is a tactical advantage for him.



Tyrant also absorbs power fro Gladiator, BRB, Jack of Hearts and Ganymede. It is not expressed nor shown that Galactus has any specific vulnerability to his power.

.. But he does have a disadvantage if his attacks empower his opponent. Not complicated.


Imperiex Destroyed and created universes with his own power.

..FAR beyond Galactus, by far. Galactus isnt even close. Oh, and killing Doomsday is well beyond Galactus' power, as at far lesser levels he survived the Total power output of a Guardian of the Universe, who are Skyfather class, same tier as Galactus, who is in the same class as Watchers since his first appearance.

Galactus gets outperfomed by Quasar. pathetic.




A weakened Darkseid was superior to Time Trapper, who warps entire Timelines. Darkseid's mere presence keeps Reality from being destroyed.

Ohh. a mentally compromised Superman under Galactus' control cant beat Galactus. big surprise.



Yeah, you heard me.

Tyrant has nothing in his existence superior to Superman at this point anyway. It's laughable.

panthergod
Originally posted by zopzop
What people are forgetting is that Galactus fed on a world that made him feel more powerful than he had in ages (his words on panel) and he wanted to confront Tyrant on Galactus' turf. Keep in mind, all this prep by Galactus for "DP" Tyrant. Let that sink in.
https://s14.postimg.org/rak5qpiel/RCO009.jpg https://s14.postimg.org/scuc998xp/RCO013.jpg
... That means absolutely nothing if Tyrant could inherent be amped by Galactus' power. if anything this was helping Tyrant further. Galactus is an idiot here.

TheHulkster

TheHulkster
Originally posted by panthergod
... That means absolutely nothing if Tyrant could inherent be amped by Galactus' power. if anything this was helping Tyrant further. Galactus is an idiot here.

Stop basing your argument on things you made up,

TheHulkster
Originally posted by panthergod
If Tyrant can absorb Galactus' power, that is a tactical advantage for him.



Tyrant also absorbs power fro Gladiator, BRB, Jack of Hearts and Ganymede. It is not expressed nor shown that Galactus has any specific vulnerability to his power.

.. But he does have a disadvantage if his attacks empower his opponent. Not complicated.

Just like he would absorb Superman.




You mean with tech that manipulates nexus points.



We see Galactus devouring the multiverse. And a group of Guardians are knocked out by a blast that Guy Gardener brushes off. Galactus would whip them all.



A weakened Galactus and you base this on lip service.






Reality is fine when he is killed. Stop making things up.



Excuses. How exactly does this affect his power?



Except for all of continuity LOL.

abhilegend

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Just like he would absorb Superman.

Based on?




No, just releasing his power created a new big bang. Far superior to Galactus.

Alternate Galactus.

Galactus was koed from a blast by Beyonder that Doom brushed off.

Also he is already whipped by a Guardian.

Lifebringer Galactus was weakened?

Even in Darkseid War, his death ****ed up entire reality. In Final Crisis, it almost destroyed the whole multiverse.

His mental state dictates his power.

Not in OWAW.

TheHulkster

TheHulkster
Originally posted by abhilegend
How is he planet level? DC encyclopedia 2016 stated that he is as powerful as in COIE and had actually destroyed the multiverse but nobody remembers it.

Darkseid didn't activate any tech. Apokolips is his world and it all powers from him.

Byrne contradicts himself all the time. He also said Orion would defeat Silver Surfer. See how that works.

Just like Krona destroyed Galactus and was barely a peer to Kismet in his evolved form?

Krona evolved to something weaker.

Anyhow, what Byrne said is in line with what he showed regarding Galactus compared to Darkseid.

The UN is a part of Galactus. So I guess we can use that right?

AM has only ever destroyed universes by utilizing tech, specifically his antimatter gun.

abhilegend

Inedian
Tyrant, no contest.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Inedian
Tyrant, no contest.
Based on?

Insane Titan
Tyrant possibly one shots Superman.

In OWAW he never did anything impressive.

abhilegend
laughing out loud

Anyway the myth that anti Monitor used tech to destroy the universes is just that, a myth.

Here, it was revealed that Anti Monitor destroyed several universes and absorbed them just to get out of his prison.


https://s17.postimg.org/icdb0br8b/image.jpg

He then continued to do that through the arc. He only built a cannon to destroy the five universes which the Monitor hid in his netherverse.

In fact the cannon is only built in the issue 8 where Flash destroyed it.

https://s17.postimg.org/wvkg1xupn/image.jpg

There is full review of the character here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/8acth1/a_comprehensive_look_at_the_antimonitor/

Good review too.

TheHulkster

TheHulkster

TheHulkster
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Tyrant possibly one shots Superman.

In OWAW he never did anything impressive.

True

Insane Titan
Originally posted by TheHulkster
True thumb up what did he actually do that was impressive?

abhilegend

abhilegend
Originally posted by Insane Titan
thumb up what did he actually do that was impressive?
Tank omega beams which pierced the armor of Imperiex himself?

Insane Titan
Originally posted by abhilegend
Tank omega beams which pierced the armor of Imperiex himself? the omega beams several others have tanked, so nothing then.

panthergod
Lie, he is specifically above universe level;.

Typical Hulkster illiteracy lol.



Apokolips is empowered by the Omega Force. The amount of power Darkseid used was specifically a thoughts' worth.


.. Nothing to do with raw power, as it was not a raw power attack. Byrne Galactus is essential to reality and cannot be wiped from it. He was dominated by a far less power attack via raw power.


You think your lies are convincing? lmaooo.




Phoenix RFR an injured Darkseid who just blinded himself with his own power. how impressive.

But your dishonesty is amusing as usual.




Actually, he was beat by a Superman far above the power levels he was at when he fought Thor, a lesser, weaker being he would never risk killing.





Originally posted by TheHulkster
Just like he would absorb Superman.



.. Or Superman would absorb his power.

Ekither way, fighting galactus when his tech allows him to absorb Galactus' energy is irrlevant.



No, His personal power which destroyed and recreated the universe. Far beyond Galactus.



I dont care about an externally amped Galactus. Galactus gets KOd by the Thing.

Guardians have been portrayed as competitive with the Spectre.



Actually, an amped Galactus more powerful than ever< Quasar. Cry more.




So what? I dont give a sh*t about you being ignorant, what I said is a fact. When he is removed from reality, it gets destroyed. Foudations Saga. Period.


Weakened Darkseid> Controller-Time Trapper and Mordru together , two Galactus and Odin level being, respectively.


Superman's access to his innate power require a clear, active mind to drive them.


.. Is that why you cant name anything...?

panthergod
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Tyrant possibly one shots Superman.

In OWAW he never did anything impressive.

lol

Tyrant is no more powerful than an Imperiex Probe's average, let alone Superman.

And Superman would tear Tyrant apart.

Insane Titan

TheHulkster

TheHulkster
Depowered Tyrant is well above a prone.

h1a8
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Depowered Tyrant is well above a prone.

Prove that he is well above a probe (without resorting to him being a challenge to Galactus).

Baziemarc123

LordofBrooklyn

DarkSaint85

Baziemarc123
Right, so inconsistent. not really reliable to scale from, and IIRC to my knowledge the probes destroyed galaxies overtime.

carver9
@Darksaint...

Zod took out some probes as well.

carver9
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Right, so inconsistent. not really reliable to scale from, and IIRC to my knowledge the probes destroyed galaxies overtime.

They used a machine to destroy Galaxies. It wasn't under their own power.

RealityWarper
Probes are Kryptonian-level. End of story.

TheHulkster

TheHulkster
Originally posted by carver9
They used a machine to destroy Galaxies. It wasn't under their own power.

Right, which means that neither the probes nor Imperiex Prime are shown destroying galaxies under their own power.

TheHulkster

Rage.Of.Olympus
Haha
Originally posted by abhilegend
Tank omega beams which pierced the armor of Imperiex himself?

Hahaha

zopzop

One Big Mob
Terrible thread, I'd ask why it got this far but I already know

RealityWarper

panthergod

Insane Titan
Still waiting on proof that a single probe is well above a full powered Tyrant

Baziemarc123
Sam Lane blew one up with a nuke, totally consistent. and do you say all of the probe feats somehow scales to Superman?

h1a8

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Sam Lane blew one up with a nuke, totally consistent. and do you say all of the probe feats somehow scales to Superman?

He had a nuke, amped by B13 tech, further channelled through Black Lightning and focussed at a single point. So yes, totally consistent in that it took extremes of power to do so. Furthermore, Luthor had been weakening the probe before the nuke even happened.

So it's not a low showing.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Terrible thread, I'd ask why it got this far but I already know

Yup.

Maybe if it was Depowered Tyrant, it would be interesting. Full power Tyrant? He'd be taking on Imperiex Prime. On top of that, Superman is a giant Solar battery. Not only is Superman an ant vs. a mastodon, he's an ant smeared in P&J.

This shit will go on for 15.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Right, so inconsistent. not really reliable to scale from, and IIRC to my knowledge the probes destroyed galaxies overtime.
Yes, over hours. That's...pretty damn quick, lol.

I mean, Galactus needs the same time for a world.
https://s9.postimg.org/swyz32wsv/probemisc5-1.jpg


Originally posted by carver9
@Darksaint...

Zod took out some probes as well.

No he didn't.

https://s9.postimg.org/wtcaz2a2n/probemisc1-1.jpg
https://s9.postimg.org/f3ame1rcv/probemisc2-1.jpg
https://s9.postimg.org/do91pbijz/probemisc3-1.jpg

He had to sacrifice Ignition.

Edit: he might have done, do you have the scan? As my scans show him hurling wave after wave of doomed/failed attacks.

Insane Titan

TheHulkster
Originally posted by h1a8
1. Galactus was absorbing energy directly from Galactus. He's able to do this because of plot device connection to Galactus. He needed machines to drain others. Thus this tactic will not work on Superman.

2. OWAW Superman was shown visibly 5x or more powerful than normal Superman. A 5x Superman should be more powerful than the Tyrant that fought Gladiator, etc.

But like the others, Superman would be hooked up to the machine after being defeated. Plus, this is a continued straw man since this is a fully powered Tyrant.

Hunter Prey Doomsday is not 5x more powerful than regular Superman. At most he is 2x more powerful You see, Original powered Abomination dominates Hulk to a greater degree than DD dominates Superman and Abomb is only twice as powerful as Hulk at that point.

Hunter Prey DD looks more impressive against the probes than OWAW Superman. Thus, Supes is nowhere near 5x more powerful.

TheHulkster

abhilegend
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Haha


Hahaha
What about that is funny idiot?

Baziemarc123
Supes hasn't achieved all out OWAW mode ever again after that arc and IIRC OWAW Superman was empowered.

DarkSaint85

TheHulkster

abhilegend

abhilegend
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yup.

Maybe if it was Depowered Tyrant, it would be interesting. Full power Tyrant? He'd be taking on Imperiex Prime. On top of that, Superman is a giant Solar battery. Not only is Superman an ant vs. a mastodon, he's an ant smeared in P&J.

This shit will go on for 15.
Darkseid alone would ruin Tyrant day.

Forget about Superman. Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Supes hasn't achieved all out OWAW mode ever again after that arc and IIRC OWAW Superman was empowered.
Why would he need to do that again?

Only when he was sundipped.

DarkSaint85

TheHulkster

krisblaze
Yeah Byrne's response seems reasonable.

All those guys in a battle royale and it's not unthinkable that Orion would come out on top.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, over hours. That's...pretty damn quick, lol.

I mean, Galactus needs the same time for a world.
https://s9.postimg.org/swyz32wsv/probemisc5-1.jpg




No he didn't.

https://s9.postimg.org/wtcaz2a2n/probemisc1-1.jpg
https://s9.postimg.org/f3ame1rcv/probemisc2-1.jpg
https://s9.postimg.org/do91pbijz/probemisc3-1.jpg

He had to sacrifice Ignition.

Edit: he might have done, do you have the scan? As my scans show him hurling wave after wave of doomed/failed attacks.

Gotcha. Zod was weakened because he was fighting with a team.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha. Zod was weakened because he was fighting with a team.

Where did Zod take 'some' probes? Have you got the scans?

All I showed was pretty much the same probe, with Europa crumbling as Zod hurls his armies in a 'failed' assault.

Failed. What does that mean to you?

Please post scans of Zod taking probeS (plural) out.

Edit: am fascinated by this hypocrisy from you now, though. What, do you think Zod is a trans? Abstract? To take out several probes on his lonesome, when all of DC Earth were pretty much useless?

DarkSaint85
Carver? Hello!

One Big Mob
Carver let me tell you a secret


Action Comics 790. Do with this information as you wish gents

DarkSaint85
thumb up. Should've picked that up years ago.

Literally, when Carver was arguing probes were shrugging off attacks from High Heralds.

h1a8
Imo Zod should operate at a larger power level than normal Superman. This is because he has no mental blocks and does not hold back the same as Clark does. So it makes sense for him to be able to destroy a probe if Clark can do it unhindered. I don't see a problem with it.

cdtm
Zod was also rotting in the Phantom Zone for years, without the benefit of solar energy absorption.

h1a8
Originally posted by cdtm
Zod was also rotting in the Phantom Zone for years, without the benefit of solar energy absorption.
Did the comic give strong evidence that Zod was weaker than normal when fighting the probe? Zod could have recovered for all we know.

Let's assume that Zod was still weak.
Then that tells you how powerful Clark really is. A weakened version of Clark can destroy a probe when not holding back.

cdtm
Oh wait, this is Red Zod?

Never mind then. He was some kind of anti Superman clone, who amped off red sun radiation, hence the suit.

h1a8
Originally posted by cdtm
Oh wait, this is Red Zod?

Never mind then. He was some kind of anti Superman clone, who amped off red sun radiation, hence the suit.

That's what I thought. I don't remember the phantom zone thing or him being weakened.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Carver let me tell you a secret


Action Comics 790. Do with this information as you wish gents


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h1a8
Red Zod

One Big Mob
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
https://s9.postimg.org/6rxpep1qj/RCO006_1469507366.jpg https://s9.postimg.org/x08u42e4b/RCO007_1469507366.jpg See. I don't know where people got the impression that Carver ever lies.

SquallX
Originally posted by One Big Mob
See. I don't know where people got the impression that Carver ever lies.

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abhilegend

abhilegend
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Carver let me tell you a secret


Action Comics 790. Do with this information as you wish gents
Zod beating probes is as relevant as Galactus getting almost killed by two planets colliding.

And Superman surviving two planets colliding under the same writer.

Hey, have you heard anything about those comics?

carver9
See a lot have went on since my departure. Thanks Rage for the scans and thanks for the issue number Bran. Could've sworn he stomped 3 probes but whatever.

Stoic
Originally posted by h1a8
The Galactus fight was plot based. He was draining Galactus in the fight. That's like saying that you are more powerful than Hercules because you gave Hulk a good fight in which you were draining Hulk.

OWAW Superman can work Thanos. He's faster and Stronger than Thanos. He could possibly one shot ko Thanos given the fact that he was oneshot killing probes.

It's one of his abilities, why bellyache over it? Which brings up the question of whether or not Tyrant does the same to Superman?

Insane Titan
Originally posted by abhilegend
Zod beating probes is as relevant as Galactus getting almost killed by two planets colliding.

And Superman surviving two planets colliding under the same writer.

Hey, have you heard anything about those comics? So you think a weakened Galactus surviving 2 planets/sizeable nuclear explosion is comparable to Superman doing the same thing.

Still waiting on this question to Starlin regarding Thanos/Superman.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
See a lot have went on since my departure. Thanks Rage for the scans and thanks for the issue number Bran. Could've sworn he stomped 3 probes but whatever.

thumb up. Firm mid heralds

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
thumb up. Firm mid heralds

Nope. I agree with you... let's add Zod to the list of being far above top tier and being able to stomp Surfer, Thor and Hulk at the same time. Probe busting for the win.

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h1a8
Originally posted by Stoic
It's one of his abilities, why bellyache over it? Which brings up the question of whether or not Tyrant does the same to Superman?

Tyrant can't do the same thing to Superman. The plot device only existed between him and Galactus. He had to capture and use machines to drain others.

cdtm
Originally posted by carver9
Nope. I agree with you... let's add Zod to the list of being far above top tier and being able to stomp Surfer, Thor and Hulk at the same time. Probe busting for the win.

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Surfer has comparable feats of his own. Like soloing Annihilation fleets, when they were killing Firelord and Stardust..

carver9
Originally posted by cdtm
Surfer has comparable feats of his own. Like soloing Annihilation fleets, when they were killing Firelord and Stardust..

Thor fought against an angry Celestial and was withstand its attacks. Defeated Galactus... etc, etc... Hulk nearly exhausted the power of an abstract. Brushed off elites as if they were not there. Took out a being that started off as 2 times stronger than Thor and kept amping after that. Destroyed shielding that was capable of holding back a gang of Celestials.

I'm trying to get what you are trying to say here. I told Saint anyways that Zod would treat Thor, Hulk and Silver Surfer like fodder. OWAW Zod for the win.

DarkSaint85
Zod is Zod. No need to differentiate between versions. OWAW is the same as other Zods (assuming they're the red guy of course, not bearded Zod).

Pillow Biter
Writer hypebole aside, OWAW Superman cannot beat this Tyrant. The sundipped Superman at the end of OWAW, however, would smack Tyrant around.

cdtm
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Zod is Zod. No need to differentiate between versions. OWAW is the same as other Zods (assuming they're the red guy of course, not bearded Zod).

Or the gladiator looking guy from the Phantom Zone Krypton (Or whatever was going on there. Never could make heads or tails of that story.)

DarkSaint85
Yah. Let's call him Russian Zod.

As per Carver, he can take on and beat Hulk/Surfer/Thor at the same time.

Who does he fight on an even basis again? Using combat feats only?

That would help us in this thread.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yah. Let's call him Russian Zod.

As per Carver, he can take on and beat Hulk/Surfer/Thor at the same time.

Who does he fight on an even basis again? Using combat feats only?

That would help us in this thread.

Well, the Probes were team busters per your admission which puts them in trans tier level per hour admission. Zod casually took out two Probes, with ease. That puts him on the higher end of Skyfather. How does that sound?

RealityWarper
That's a complete mismatch....

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