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Photon blinks and Zoom dies.

Photon wins.

How fast is Photon?

Zoom at his best (early appearances) would put up a good fight, maybe split 50/50. But over all Genis wins easily, he'd probably just tear every molecule of heat from Zoom's body and shatter him for the lulz.

Originally posted by Zack M
How fast is Photon? Doesn't matter, he wins.

Photon stomps

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Zoom at his best (early appearances) would put up a good fight, maybe split 50/50. But over all Genis wins easily, he'd probably just tear every molecule of heat from Zoom's body and shatter him for the lulz.

Can he do that quick enough before Zoom punches his head off?

Who is the strongest person Zoom has hit so hard his head came off? Scans.

Originally posted by Zack M
Can he do that quick enough before Zoom punches his head off?

he can't

zoom stomps

Originally posted by carver9
Who is the strongest person Zoom has hit so hard his head came off? Scans.

The only way to stop Genis is to have massive power.

Zoom doesn't have the ability to stop him.

Zoom can travel back in time and erase Genis.

Originally posted by Zack M
Zoom can travel back in time and erase Genis. No.

Originally posted by Zack M
Can he do that quick enough before Zoom punches his head off?

Besides his first arc, Zolomon was a second rate bum, who basically never won a fight. There's nothing to suggest he can even do what you're saying.

Originally posted by Zack M
Zoom can travel back in time and erase Genis.

Genis would probably be there waiting for him. Genis is way to much for Zoom.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Besides his first arc, Zolomon was a second rate bum, who basically never won a fight. There's nothing to suggest he can even do what you're saying.

Flash needed to steal speed from all the speedstes to hang with Zoom. Genis doesn't have that type of speed. Ever since that, Zoom has always been a beast.

Frankly speaking i dont care what version of zoom (hunter/thawne pre-52 or pre crisis or otherwise) is this because it doesn't matter. Throughout his history he's lost to flash a minimum of 8/9 times. Yes, he's always hyped up to be "far faster than before" and run circles around flash who then unleashes his full potential and beats him. Sometimes (though not always) with a bit of help but my point still stands. Hunter has also lost to lost to jesse-amped barry, regular barry even iirc. Let's not forget bart (albeit amped), wonder woman, or pied piper also beat him.

People also seem to forget that Genis has complete universal level cosmic awareness. He literally knows every single thing, it was explicitly stated that he knows every action and its consequences in the future so "surprising" him isn't going to work. The only time he had gaps in his CA is when there were space-time anomalies. He's also a borderline reality warper, having some minor space-time manipulation abilities. He should be able to handle zoom without much problems.

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Omniversal telepathy, interesting.

Originally posted by Galan007
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a couple of things id like to add...

Moondragon stated that he could potentially be in tune with infinite multiverses and be all knowing (this was when his cosmic awareness was still in early development and experiencing problems with trying to harness it).

https://imgur.com/8M8msrP

In fact, his CA stems directly from the core/soul of realities.

https://imgur.com/Pa4EBti

Reaffirmed when Magus tried to drain Genis' soul but it was too much for him to handle because he was effectively trying to drain the soul of reality itself.

https://imgur.com/qQIqM26

Another bit where it's stated that he can see all of creation and all actions/consequences (it's stated multiple times actually).

https://imgur.com/RyqPk8J

So Zoom punches it off

yeah, i guess i always felt genis was pretty overrated. for all the lip service he got at times, his 'omniversal' awareness really never had many practical uses, and was rarely shown to help in any combat situation. i recall a time in asgard where it helped somewhat, but is he going to see through zoom's time field in time to do anything about it? i'm not actually saying zoom wins btw--in terms of sheer power zoom is badly outclassed--more a question about the effectiveness of cosmic awareness in this type of situation. zoom should be able to beat on him i'd think, given his feats but genis should be able to take the beating most of the time and hit him, eventually.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So Zoom punches it off

He will certainly try.... and fail miserably.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, i guess i always felt genis was pretty overrated. for all the lip service he got at times, his 'omniversal' awareness really never had many practical uses, and was rarely shown to help in any combat situation. i recall a time in asgard where it helped somewhat, but is he going to see through zoom's time field in time to do anything about it? i'm not actually saying zoom wins btw--in terms of sheer power zoom is badly outclassed--more a question about the effectiveness of cosmic awareness in this type of situation. zoom should be able to beat on him i'd think, given his feats but genis should be able to take the beating most of the time and hit him, eventually.

In v3 CM series he was exploring his cosmic awareness learning how to harness but still wasn't fully aware (there are various instances); however, with the beginning of v4 (the insane genis vell arc) he was completely aware of everything which is what drove him to insanity, and by "insanity" i mean he just had extremist views toward creation which would actually help him in the battle. After that arc he only selectively used it in certain instances only whenever he needed. And when he didn't know some things it was attributed to the universe having space-time anomalies because it was recently rec-created (in which Genis had a hand). This was basically a plot-imposed reason for him not to be omniscient, that stipulation however, is not going to be present here.

When kree, shi'ar, and the skrulls allied together against genis he appears and says that he's aware of their every thought:

https://imgur.com/5B238ml

And it's not like Zoom is unbeatable (refer to my first post). Jesse KO'd him with some stick

https://imgur.com/JUEp9cC
https://imgur.com/YksSipl

Among others i mentioned.

Genis also used his CA to completely overwhelm/mindf*ck a massively amped Purple Man:
https://i.imgur.com/qhJE5xr.jpg

Aside from that, the implication is that Photon Genis > Insane Genis, as the former was essentially the stable/whole version of the latter -- and the latter has some pretty gargantuan showings. What's more, Photon has a scarce few(almost no) low showings to speak of... Which is nearly unheard of in this tier(and also makes it *that* much harder to argue against him.)

Originally posted by operator616
He will certainly try.... and fail miserably.



In v3 CM series he was exploring his cosmic awareness learning how to harness but still wasn't fully aware (there are various instances); however, with the beginning of v4 (the insane genis vell arc) he was completely aware of everything which is what drove him to insanity, and by "insanity" i mean he just had extremist views toward creation which would actually help him in the battle. After that arc he only selectively used it in certain instances only whenever he needed. And when he didn't know some things it was attributed to the universe having space-time anomalies because it was recently rec-created (in which Genis had a hand). This was basically a plot-imposed reason for him not to be omniscient, that stipulation however, is not going to be present here.

When kree, shi'ar, and the skrulls allied together against genis he appears and says that he's aware of their every thought:

https://imgur.com/5B238ml

And it's not like Zoom is unbeatable (refer to my first post). Jesse KO'd him with some stick

https://imgur.com/JUEp9cC
https://imgur.com/YksSipl

Among others i mentioned.

i agree zoom is not unbeatable--in a comic. in a forum setting he becomes something else. but again, i'm not saying he wins this--or sweeps at least--but it does sound an awful lot like zoom would fall under the space-time anomaly category that genis struggles with. his time field would certainly be unique. does genis have any feats of directly manipulating or sending his awareness through time?

Zoom hits like a little girl and Photon had trouble with some loser like Sentry. Flip a coin

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Zoom hits like a little girl and Photon had trouble with some loser like Sentry. Flip a coin

Sentry would shitstomp the DC Universe during his sleep by transmuting it in a pile of salt.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Sentry would shitstomp the DC Universe during his sleep by transmuting it in a pile of salt. You are the biggest retard on KMC.

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zoom ends this before genis blinks.i dont think genis can do anything against that fast an opponent.maybe one of those fights where zoom decides to play around later gets beat.ONLY a fatal zoom mistake will tip this in genis's favor

Originally posted by $on OF krypton
zoom ends this before genis blinks.i dont think genis can do anything against that fast an opponent.maybe one of those fights where zoom decides to play around later gets beat.ONLY a fatal zoom mistake will tip this in genis's favor Zoom can't beat Genis, sorry.

Originally posted by leonidas
i agree zoom is not unbeatable--in a comic. in a forum setting he becomes something else. but again, i'm not saying he wins this--or sweeps at least--but it does sound an awful lot like zoom would fall under the space-time anomaly category that genis struggles with. his time field would certainly be unique. does genis have any feats of directly manipulating or sending his awareness through time?

Not that i know of. He has some minor time manip. abilities like when he summoned his past selves to the present timeline. There's also him knowing all actions and their consequences (remember he can see all the threads of the universe). So that's pretty similar to sending his awareness through time.

so how does he(genis) win Mindset?

so how does he(genis) win? Mindset.

Originally posted by operator616
Not that i know of. He has some minor time manip. abilities like when he summoned his past selves to the present timeline. There's also him knowing all actions and their consequences (remember he can see all the threads of the universe). So that's pretty similar to sending his awareness through time.

could be seen that way i guess. i'm just not sure the CA would penetrate zoom's time frame, and even if it did, it would have to be damn near instantly. i think if genis can withstand the beating he'd get at the outset, he would be able to figure something out. i'm just not sure if he could figure something out in time. imo it depends mostly on which showings you want to focus on for zoom, and just how much leeway you're willing to grant zoom and his powerset in a forum situation. so basically the same things that make any speedster in a forum setting a pain in the a$$ to debate for or against.

Originally posted by $on OF krypton
so how does he(genis) win Mindset? Engulf the battlefield in an energy blast killing Zoom.

Originally posted by Hildabeast 2020
I AM THE BIGGEST RETARD ON INTERNET.

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Needless to say, you are indeedly.

On topic, Zoom ends like this:

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He still remains one of the DC characters MOST WANKED !