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Predominantly black women getting fined for braiding hair...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2018/03/13/tennessee-has-fined-residents-nearly-100000-just-for-braiding-hair/#7217bff6174c

I think it's fair to claim this law has racist intent

Well, this makes sense.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Predominantly black women getting fined for braiding hair...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2018/03/13/tennessee-has-fined-residents-nearly-100000-just-for-braiding-hair/#7217bff6174c

I think it's fair to claim this law has racist intent
I disagree about there being clear racist intent, seems more like basic greed to me. There was recently a similar issue about kids who mow lawns for money during the summer being required to get business licence. That's not to say that there won't be more blacks negatively affected by it, just that race isn't the obvious motivator for the policy. It's mostly likely the result of licenses hair stylist complaining because there's a lot of unlicensed people cutting into their potential profits.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I disagree about there being clear racist intent, seems more like basic greed to me. There was recently a similar issue about kids who mow lawns for money during the summer being required to get business licence. That's not to say that there won't be more blacks negatively affected by it, just that race isn't the obvious motivator for the policy. It's mostly likely the result of licenses hair stylist complaining because there's a lot of unlicensed people cutting into their potential profits.

we should see when the law was established.

Don't you ned a License to touch Feet too?

Last I checked all 50 states require a hairstylist to be licensed, what's the problem?

All the Asinine Bureaucratic Bullshit that gets padded into these laws.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Predominantly black women getting fined for braiding hair...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2018/03/13/tennessee-has-fined-residents-nearly-100000-just-for-braiding-hair/#7217bff6174c

I think it's fair to claim this law has racist intent

There is nothing racist about this you lunatic.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I disagree about there being clear racist intent, seems more like basic greed to me.

yup. lawmakers were probably butthurt that they weren't able to stick their dicks in the braiding business. in the context of barbers and other grooming professions, the case can be argued for regulation because of safety requirements. but in the context of braiding hair, they truly expose themselves as bottomfeeding parasites forcing people to buy worthless licenses at inflated costs.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Predominantly black women getting fined for braiding hair...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2018/03/13/tennessee-has-fined-residents-nearly-100000-just-for-braiding-hair/#7217bff6174c

I think it's fair to claim this law has racist intent

If this can be proven to have a disparate impact on a specific race demographic (black), it can be struck down as a violation of the American Civil Rights Act of 1964. As far as legal repercussions of this, since it is a state law, based on the section 601, this may not be directly enforceable but the Federal Government could remove funding as a penalty to states who have enacted laws that violate the ACRA.


I am not a lawyer nor am I aware of enough legal precedence regarding this and how it can apply to state laws. But that's my best guess.


I digress: Surely the law makers and legislative assistants in TN are aware of ACRA and how it is applied. I could be wrong about everything and we just have to suck it up when certain laws have a demonstrably provable disparate impact that would violate Articles VI and VII.

https://www.tn.gov/commerce/regboards/cosmo/licensee-applicant-resources/how-do-i-get-an-individual-license/natural-hair-stylist.html

Education Requirements

Satisfactory completion of a course of instruction of not less than 300 hours in the practice and theory of natural hair styling at a school of cosmetology.

Lol @ Tennessee. 300+ hours of schooling one must pay for to be licensed to braid hair.

Originally posted by dadudemon
If this can be proven to have a disparate impact on a specific race demographic (black), it can be struck down as a violation of the American Civil Rights Act of 1964.

I don't know for sure, but it's probably a very safe bet that the vast majority of people doing these "natural hairstyle" hair-braiding are both Black and women. So it could it very well be a double violation as it's making a law that predominately impacts women as well.

Phuck you Badabing

Originally posted by Robtard
https://www.tn.gov/commerce/regboards/cosmo/licensee-applicant-resources/how-do-i-get-an-individual-license/natural-hair-stylist.html

Education Requirements

Satisfactory completion of a course of instruction of not less than 300 hours in the practice and theory of natural hair styling at a school of cosmetology.

Lol @ Tennessee. 300+ hours of schooling one must pay for to be licensed to braid hair.

I do understand this. If they are getting paid for it, then it does fall under the umbrella of cosmetology, it is a business, and you must be licensed.

It is hair styling.




These same rules/laws would be true in Oklahoma where I am, as well. The money changing hands is the thing that presents the problem. And if you have any record of getting paid (such as taking pay though Four Square), you can get fined by the OK Cosmetology Board and also be reported to the IRS for tax fraud.

I'm not changing my opinion on my previous post. Just remembering shit about cosmetology and licensing that may change how we view this situation.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I do understand this. If they are getting paid for it, then it does fall under the umbrella of cosmetology, it is a business, and you must be licensed.

It is hair styling.

These same rules/laws would be true in Oklahoma where I am, as well. The money changing hands is the thing that presents the problem. And if you have any record of getting paid (such as taking pay though Four Square), you can get fined by the OK Cosmetology Board and also be reported to the IRS for tax fraud.

I'm not changing my opinion on my previous post. Just remembering shit about cosmetology and licensing that may change how we view this situation.

I'm fine with "naturalist hairstylist" having to be licensed, just making them do the same level/hours of schooling is silly. You don't need 300+ hours to use a comb and braid hair, the schooling requirements should scale with the intensity level of the cosmetology involved.

eg Knowing how to safely color/treat hair probably requires 300+ hours and that makes sense, as you're dealing with potentially dangerous chemicals.

Kek my lifeguard certification only took 40 hours, and I had to know CPR and how to rescue someone from drowning in various scenarios. Wtf is this 300 hour bullshit for something so trivial in comparison.

i went to school for cosmetology and tbh this new law is not racist its just another govt cash grab. it affects low income people moreso than anything. u can also see this sorta "crack down" in the asian communities with unliscensed massage parlors amd nail technicians

Braiding hair without a license is absolutely awful. We should make it illegal.

Now here, takes this gun and shoot the braiders!

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm fine with "naturalist hairstylist" having to be licensed, just making them do the same level/hours of schooling is silly. You don't need 300+ hours to use a comb and braid hair, the schooling requirements should scale with the intensity level of the cosmetology involved.

eg Knowing how to safely color/treat hair probably requires 300+ hours and that makes sense, as you're dealing with potentially dangerous chemicals.

Here's what you and I missed on our first go-around:


Paid vs. not Paid



If any of these "naturalist braiders" are taking money, it's illegal. It's unlicensed professional services being exchanged for money. Doing any sort of hair styling, for money, falls under the regulatory umbrella of Licensed Cosmetology practices. Any state that requires cosmetology licensing for hairstylists would be beholden to this regulation.


We may be upset about having to go to Cosmetology school to obtain a license to be in business but this is just how it is. Also under cosmetology:

1. Nail Technicians
2. Hair Stylists
3. Esthetician
4. Cosmetics (Beauticians)
5. Barbering

If you wish to style hair and be paid, in any form, you must obtain the license. It does not matter that you wish to only braid hair. If you want to be a professional, you must follow the regulatory laws that govern your discipline.

Obviously, the libertarian part of my political beliefs says that this regulation is absolutely stupid. The only way the government should interfere with this client-business relationship is to tax it.


"If two or more parties, under sound-mind, seek to undertake a private contract, whether complex or simple, whereupon all parties agree in the exchange of goods, services, or currency, the government shall not infringe upon said relationship. The greatest extent that the government - hereafter defined as all aspects of the Federal, State, and Municipal governments that are best fit to tax the heretofore mentioned "private contract" - is taxation that is assessed and levied at the current date of signature of the 'private contract.' All signatories, unless otherwise specified in the 'private contract', are responsible for taxation."

Addendums and clarifications to the above would include things such as "doesn't matter if one or more of the parties are not US Citizens, Permnanet bla bla bla".

Something like that.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Here's what you and I missed on our first go-around:


Paid vs. not Paid



If any of these "naturalist braiders" are taking money, it's illegal. It's unlicensed professional services being exchanged for money. Doing any sort of hair styling, for money, falls under the regulatory umbrella of Licensed Cosmetology practices. Any state that requires cosmetology licensing for hairstylists would be beholden to this regulation.


We may be upset about having to go to Cosmetology school to obtain a license to be in business but this is just how it is. Also under cosmetology:

1. Nail Technicians
2. Hair Stylists
3. Esthetician
4. Cosmetics (Beauticians)
5. Barbering

If you wish to style hair and be paid, in any form, you must obtain the license. It does not matter that you wish to only braid hair. If you want to be a professional, you must follow the regulatory laws that govern your discipline.

Obviously, the libertarian part of my political beliefs says that this regulation is absolutely stupid. The only way the government should interfere with this client-business relationship is to tax it.


"If two or more parties, under sound-mind, seek to undertake a private contract, whether complex or simple, whereupon all parties agree in the exchange of goods, services, or currency, the government shall not infringe upon said relationship. The greatest extent that the government - hereafter defined as all aspects of the Federal, State, and Municipal governments that are best fit to tax the heretofore mentioned "private contract" - is taxation that is assessed and levied at the current date of signature of the 'private contract.' All signatories, unless otherwise specified in the 'private contract', are responsible for taxation."

Addendums and clarifications to the above would include things such as "doesn't matter if one or more of the parties are not US Citizens, Permnanet bla bla bla".

Something like that. As I said, I'm perfectly fine with these braiders having to have schooling and a license, especially if they're taking in income; it should also be taxed.

My concern is the state requiring them to do the same hours of schooling for something so minor in comparison. Imo, the schooling system should be revamped, to more accurately reflect the proper amount of schooling ($$$ paid) for level of profession. As it is now, some people are being ripped off in their chosen profession.

eg A friend of my owns her own tiny beauty shop in San Francisco, she does facials (black head/zit removal) and body hair removal, anything from eyebrows to buttholes and everything in between. I think she did over 300hrs of schooling to be licensed for that. I see no reason why a glorified hair-braider needs the same amount of schooling hours, does seem like it's just a money-grab from the state of TN here.

Originally posted by Robtard
As I said, I'm perfectly fine with these braiders having to have schooling and a license, especially if they're taking in income; it should also be taxed.

My concern is the state requiring them to do the same hours of schooling for something so minor in comparison. Imo, the schooling system should be revamped, to more accurately reflect the proper amount of schooling ($$$ paid) for level of profession. As it is now, some people are being ripped off in their chosen profession.

eg A friend of my owns her own tiny beauty shop in San Francisco, she does facials (black head/zit removal) and body hair removal, anything from eyebrows to buttholes and everything in between. I think she did over 300hrs of schooling to be licensed for that. I see no reason why a glorified hair-braider needs the same amount of schooling hours, does seem like it's just a money-grab from the state of TN here.

I agree with everything in this post, 100%.


No-nonsense regulations would make people like you and I happier.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i went to school for cosmetology and tbh this new law is not racist its just another govt cash grab. it affects low income people moreso than anything. u can also see this sorta "crack down" in the asian communities with unliscensed massage parlors amd nail technicians

Oh shit don't say that, leftists only give a shit about minorities being impacted if the minorities aren't Asian.

Are you making up another narrative and applying it to "leftist", then being outraged over it? Seems like it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Are you making up another narrative and applying it to "leftist", then being outraged over it? Seems like it.

You triggered? Neat. Also irrelevant, but neat.

Or you could have cited all these examples and proven your claim as true? Nah, that would be silly.

Originally posted by Robtard
Or you could have cited all these examples and proven your claim as true? Nah, that would be silly.

Triggered? Neat.

IOW: You're unable to support your claim with posted proof so you're doing your usual "you triggered!" routine to deflect away from that.

Originally posted by Robtard
IOW: You're unable to support your claim with posted proof so you're doing your usual "you triggered!" routine to deflect away from that.

Not at all. You have claimed multiple times you have a legendary memory. If true, you'd remember we've talked about some of the things Asians go through here.

Use that legendary memory. Now, I will be happy to elaborate on what I was talking about if you admit you don't have a legendary memory.

It's not up to me to prove your claims. It's up to you. :/

Originally posted by Robtard
It's not up to me to prove your claims. It's up to you. :/

Isn't it up to you to prove your claims though? You've claimed you have a legendary memory.

I repeat: simply state you do not and I will elaborate on what I meant.

So instead of just citing these many examples that would prove your claim correct, you're playing your "baby games" yet again. Very telling; have fun with that I guess.

Originally posted by Robtard
So instead of just citing these many examples that would prove your claim correct, you're playing your "baby games" yet again. Very telling; have fun with that I guess.

I just go by what you have claimed. You have, on multiple occasions, claimed you have a legendary memory.

If you did..you would recall we had a specific discussion about at least one example of what I mean.

You don't recall?

Originally posted by Robtard
So instead of just citing these many examples that would prove your claim correct, you're playing your "baby games" yet again. Very telling; have fun with that I guess.

Originally posted by Surtur
I just go by what you have claimed. You have, on multiple occasions, claimed you have a legendary memory.

If you did..you would recall we had a specific discussion about at least one example of what I mean.

You don't recall?

If we are being honest, Robtard never originally claimed that. People put that on him and he just went with it.





These are the things I can remember (and this took a shit load of time to find):




Originally posted by Robtard
I'm hoping he can see through his anger and quote me where I apparently made this comment he claims I made in regards to the ambassador to Mexico? My memory is "legendary" as many have put it here and I don't recall making it.

Originally posted by Robtard
I do recall, since my memory is legendary and why that seemed that some sort of attack is because you often like to mimic/say back what others said in attacks. But as I said, no worries, it was a joke on you part and nothing more.

Repeat: I didn't say a word about the being off topic. I posted an on-topic story, you made what I thought was a snide comment and here we are

Originally posted by Robtard
Happened almost three years ago to the day. My memory is awesome. Many call it "epic"

Originally posted by Robtard
Seems you're still in a state of crippling paranoia over Robtard's Legendary Memory. Relax :0

Originally posted by Robtard
I have no recollection of this and I have a Ninth Level Memory

Originally posted by dadudemon
If we are being honest, Robtard never originally claimed that. People put that on him and he just went with it.





These are the things I can remember (and this took a shit load of time to find):

He calls it epic, awesome, and "ninth level'. That's good enough for me.

Which is why I await proof...

Though I am fair. He doesn't have to admit he doesn't have a legendary memory. He can swap out the word legendary for "epic" or "awesome".

My legendary memory is epic, awesome and ninth level.

But reality here is, you're still playing your "baby games" and trying to make this about me because you're unable to cite proof of your claim, sport.

Originally posted by Robtard
My legendary memory is epic, awesome and ninth level.

But reality here is, you're still playing your "baby games" and trying to make this about me because you're unable to cite proof of your claim, sport.

The reality is your memory is none of those things lol. You've just demonstrated this.

I'll give you a hint with these questions: Are Asians treated fairly? Is the bar for them to gain entry into certain places...higher than it is for other races?

IOW: More "baby games". Who has time for that shit.

oh just ignore the squirt.