Originally posted by FrothByte
Fisk tears him apart. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Baleman can't compete against any decent MCU fighter. For all the good things that the TDK trilogy gave us, it had probably some of the worst fighters.
Baleman would stomp. At least comparable strength judging by Batman's ability to curl a 200+ pound 6'4" (if I'm remembering Liam Neeson's height correctly) man with one arm while on his back using one arm, and managing to catch Joker using his grappling hook with only one hand on the handle. In terms of speed there's no real contest, Batman is faster.
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Batman isn't quite a bullet-timer, not nearly, but he was able to move over a meter in the time it took a guy with an AK-47 to fire two bullets.
The biggest clincher is his suit though, which would insulate him from Kingpin's blows.
Baleman wins decisively. 👆
Originally posted by John MurdochDD couldn't dodge bullets. He just aimed dodged. Especially hearing the click and stuff. DD was getting tag by lots of people. Kingpin tagging him isn't really impressive really.
I'll put 20 on the guy how benched 5 plates for reps and put a hurting on a blind super ninja that can dodge machine gun fire.
If Batman has his suit then this is a no brainer. Otherwise Batman wins after a good fight. But Kingpin could definitely win some.
Originally posted by h1a8
DD couldn't dodge bullets. He just aimed dodged. Especially hearing the click and stuff. DD was getting tag by lots of people. Kingpin tagging him isn't really impressive really.If Batman has his suit then this is a no brainer. Otherwise Batman wins after a good fight. But Kingpin could definitely win some.
Fair enough, h1.
I'm thinking Kingpin going toe-to-toe with DD is enough to best Baleman due to DD having the legit superpowered senses. If Kingpin can fight an opponent like DD in the manner he did, that should be enough to overcome the Baleman himself.
However, good point on the suit, Bales can soak up some damage.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
Fair enough, h1.I'm thinking Kingpin going toe-to-toe with DD is enough to best Baleman due to DD having the legit superpowered senses. If Kingpin can fight an opponent like DD in the manner he did, that should be enough to overcome the Baleman himself.
However, good point on the suit, Bales can soak up some damage.
In all honesty, I love the DD character in general and argue him over Batman even in the comic threads. But the show disappointed me so much (like the Baleman movies). DD was getting tagged by regular fighters left and right. He would have fights with non bosses that would last a long time. He was constantly was injured and beat up many nights. He was just plain inconsistent.
IMO, he should have been more untouchable, especially against no name skilled guys. I can see people like Stick or Elecktra getting hits off him, but not many others should.
Why do you think the Bruce Lee films and IP Man films were awesome? Why do you think Mike Tyson was so popular in his prime? Why is One Punch Man a great show? Because they dominated almost everything they came across. The notion of showing adversity to create suspense in order to make a fiction interesting is not as effective or exiting as a character dominating 95% of their opponents. There is no fiction in existence that is considered boring or less than average where the main character dominates almost all of their opponents.
Again, DD has been a disappointment for me tbh. TV shows are just too inconsistent for my taste. Supergirl, DD, Jessica Jones, etc.
Originally posted by h1a8
DD couldn't dodge bullets. He just aimed dodged. Especially hearing the click and stuff. DD was getting tag by lots of people. Kingpin tagging him isn't really impressive really.If Batman has his suit then this is a no brainer. Otherwise Batman wins after a good fight. But Kingpin could definitely win some.
How does the extremely slow and unskilled Baleman win?
Current Daredevil is a far cry from the version Fisk fought though. He went from having tough fights with Fisk's assassins, in DD S1, to arguably getting the better of Iron Fist, fighting off a pair of immortal ninja masters, and even giving the blatantly superhuman Black Sky a decent fight, in The Defenders. Current Matt would kick his own S1 ass IMO.
