Inspired: Who has the strongest shield power?

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gauntlet o doom
Inspired by the Magneto and Invisible Woman thread. Who amongst the following characters can create the most powerful forcefield? For instance, if Class 100 bricks start to pummel the force-field, whose would be the most difficult to break? And, if a Galactus-level being fired a cosmic blast at them, who has the greatest chance of surviving based solely on their shield/force-field/construct?

Magneto
Polaris
Invisible Woman
Jean Grey (not Phoenix)
Green Lantern
Quasar
Dr Doom

*No other powers allowed, only shields/forcefields/shield-type constructs are being used. Not including the Juggernaut as it'd probably trump all the above.

One Big Mob
Polaris

Facee
Captain America.

riv6672
Originally posted by Facee
Captain America.
^^^haha thumb up

But yeah, its a tie for me between Magneto & Sue.

zopzop
Magneto.

abhilegend
Green Lanterns.

abhilegend
Originally posted by zopzop
Magneto.
When Magneto can tank a solar system destroying anti matter storm, let me know.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11134/111345307/6365667-2540918710-36122.jpg
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riv6672

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
I've always found this feat to be one of Kyle's best as well...

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/th_kyle1.jpg http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/th_kyle2.jpg http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/th_kyle3.jpg http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/th_kyle4.jpg

Just for reference, his construct was sufficient to:
a.) Fully encase the moon of earth 2.
b.) Imprison the entire CSA for 48 hours. ie. Not even the infinity-lifting Ultraman, or Owlman(a guy arguably smarter than Batman himself) were able to breach the construct.

You might also note that the CSA's version of Green Lantern had his ring analyze Kyle's construct... The ring stated that it was "impenetrable."

Originally posted by abhilegend
This one is just doozy. Rond Vidar shields himself from entire LOSV including ****ing Mordru, SBP, Validus and the likes.
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/05.jpg
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****ing insane.

$on OF krypton
greenlantern

carver9
Magneto
Invisible Woman

Philosophía
Green Lanterns, easily.

operator616
Originally posted by abhilegend


On that note kyle has also withstood oa's destuction and mogo's. And shileded a planet from falling apart.

Also Hal protected himself from a creature who destroys planets just by getting near them.

John withstood planetary and star destruction at least twice. Also several GLs tanked one of them along with John.

GL Arkkis once encased a planet in an impenetrable construct from powerful missiles. Another GL iirc blocked planet busting missiles.

Shilandra tanked planetary destruction in GLCQ.

A being who could destroy the world with a thought and move the sun casually couldn't pierce Alan's shield and stated to have to destroy the entire universe to do it. That was a golden age story. And im not sure if Alan would qualify as a GL.

It should be noted that some of these were protective auras (auto shields) not constructs, if that makes any difference.

Baziemarc123
Magneto shield tanked a blast from a non weakened Galactus, Phoenix, Captain Universe Spidey, etc

abhilegend
And?

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
And?

And...They're high tiers? that surpasses Kyle?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
And...They're high tiers? that surpasses Kyle?
No, they don't. Kyle has much better showings.

SquallX
Pussies all of them!

Batman beats all! shifty

"Id"
Space Cheese goes to Lanterns. Lobo and Superman would tear right through them.

$on OF krypton
Originally posted by SquallX
Pussies all of them!

Batman beats all! shifty

like seriously!!! hahahaha.... nice one

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, they don't. Kyle has much better showings.


sure, enlighten me

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
sure, enlighten me
Kyle has tanked attacks from Extant who was destroying entire universes and Nekron.

Anything else?

dmills
Nova and GLs lol

Damborgson
dmills quit teasing and comeback full time

dmills
Originally posted by Damborgson
dmills quit teasing and comeback full time

When they make comics great again I shall return. MCGA thumb up

Damborgson
fair enough...

h1a8
Hal singlehandedly created a construct capable of moving the Earth, without breaking, at significant acceleration.

To be specific, Hal's construct withstood over 100 Earth weights of force without breaking.

dmills
Originally posted by h1a8
Hal singlehandedly created a construct capable of moving the Earth, without breaking, at significant acceleration.

To be specific, Hal's construct withstood over 100 Earth weights of force without breaking.

Strangely felt at home reading this lol.

DarkSaint85
Like you'd never left.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Kyle has tanked attacks from Extant who was destroying entire universes and Nekron.

Anything else?

W-What? His shields been broken by less iirc

DarkSaint85
As has Mag's

http://i.imgur.com/TUE8Tpv.png

He was on MGH which made him back to his glory days, IIRC.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Magneto shielded himself and deafeated the Phoenix IIRC.

Green Lantern, to many feats one outstanding was containing the Big Bang and the ones mentioned here.

Quasar, shielding himself from the whole imperial guard and

Those three are the top ones for me.

GL number uno, followed by Magneto.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As has Mag's

http://i.imgur.com/TUE8Tpv.png

He was on MGH which made him back to his glory days, IIRC.

You're showing me Mags defending against Tony? o.O

MGH?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
You're showing me Mags defending against Tony? o.O

MGH?

Showing you Tony breaking through his shields and Mags exclaiming in pain, until Brother Voodoo saves Mags.

Mutant Growth Hormone. It amps you up.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Showing you Tony breaking through his shields and Mags exclaiming in pain, until Brother Voodoo saves Mags.

Mutant Growth Hormone. It amps you up.

Ah, right. Idk, that just seems like a casual blast from Tony, sure he wasn't exerting any effort into it? whenever they both clash, tech's involved

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Ah, right. Idk, that just seems like a casual blast from Tony, sure he wasn't exerting any effort into it? whenever they both clash, tech's involved

Yup, super casual blast. No prep, no special suit, nothing.

So to bring the point back, saying 'Kyle's shields have been broken by less' doesn't mean anything. Magneto's shields have also been broken by less. So has IW's. So has Doom's. So has Quasar's etc etc.

Doesn't mean anything.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yup, super casual blast. No prep, no special suit, nothing.

So to bring the point back, saying 'Kyle's shields have been broken by less' doesn't mean anything. Magneto's shields have also been broken by less. So has IW's. So has Doom's. So has Quasar's etc etc.

Doesn't mean anything.

comic issue? the art seems familiar, but i didn't recall about him being amped

cdtm
On the list: Sue.

My list: Superman.

Circa Byrne. Even the Death and Return of Superman novel had Professor Hamilton call his invulnerability a force field.

Baziemarc123
that was superior Iron Man by the way

Scoobless
Quasar

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Scoobless/Quasar/QuasarGalactus.jpg

Cos I don't think GL could "hold off" Galactus.

cdtm
Originally posted by Scoobless
Quasar

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Scoobless/Quasar/QuasarGalactus.jpg

Cos I don't think GL could "hold off" Galactus.

They "hold off" high end cosmics all the time. Parallax/light entities, Krona, Volthoom, anti-monitor, Superboy Prime, an entire planet made of anti matter..

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
W-What? His shields been broken by less iirc
So has Magneto's force field.

abhilegend
Havok at full power breaks through Magneto's force field (strongest force fields according to Emma).

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kKrq8erw7EY/Ws4Z0rpRSbI/AAAAAAAAGYk/nA7ux3YhgVk7K9dkvewpRWZo6obnEYUPACHMYCw/s1600/RCO012.jpg
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Later it was revealed that he was even further amped by MGH.

laughing out loud

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Havok at full power breaks through Magneto's force field (strongest force fields according to Emma).

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kKrq8erw7EY/Ws4Z0rpRSbI/AAAAAAAAGYk/nA7ux3YhgVk7K9dkvewpRWZo6obnEYUPACHMYCw/s1600/RCO012.jpg
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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ctrzIOkPiZA/Ws4Z4hZFjCI/AAAAAAAAGZs/Lu1sXp_sG6ULH-Lav6Q813TXXfKzdV9ogCHMYCw/s1600/RCO019.jpg

wow! is that recent? and what's Havok strongest DC output
Later it was revealed that he was even further amped by MGH.

laughing out loud

abhilegend
Just published today.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Just published today.



Does MGH really bring him back to the glory days? (as in classic levels where Mags was OP) how powerful is the amp

Baziemarc123
and mags was weakened during this run and the run before this when psylocke beat him

Stoic
GL's rule.

Why do you think Tony Stark wished he had one of those rings?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Does MGH really bring him back to the glory days? (as in classic levels where Mags was OP) how powerful is the amp Originally posted by Baziemarc123
and mags was weakened during this run and the run before this when psylocke beat him
He was never Depowered. He threw the fight against Psylocke.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
He was never Depowered. He threw the fight against Psylocke.


..Are you serious? Post it IIRC i don't think that's what happened

Baziemarc123
and Mags didn't regain his full power after the M-Day event

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
..Are you serious? Post it IIRC i don't think that's what happened
Sure.

https://imgur.com/a/2vKX5Originally posted by Baziemarc123
and Mags didn't regain his full power after the M-Day event
What are you talking about? He was returned to the full power by High Evolutionary.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure.

https://imgur.com/a/2vKX5
What are you talking about? He was returned to the full power by High Evolutionary. Where? When did the high evolution incident happen

abhilegend
Uncanny x men 500

Philosophía
Originally posted by abhilegend
Havok at full power breaks through Magneto's force field (strongest force fields according to Emma).

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kKrq8erw7EY/Ws4Z0rpRSbI/AAAAAAAAGYk/nA7ux3YhgVk7K9dkvewpRWZo6obnEYUPACHMYCw/s1600/RCO012.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_N4FkoZShTs/Ws4Z1X6HhhI/AAAAAAAAGYs/vHOAr1oCPpce3zUdOueP2pAndkHN2NhoQCHMYCw/s1600/RCO013.jpg
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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ctrzIOkPiZA/Ws4Z4hZFjCI/AAAAAAAAGZs/Lu1sXp_sG6ULH-Lav6Q813TXXfKzdV9ogCHMYCw/s1600/RCO019.jpg

Later it was revealed that he was even further amped by MGH.

laughing out loud

1). He wasn't amped against Havok. You can see him pull the MGH out and take it only afterwards, with Emma remarking how his powers have been 'enhanced somehow'.

2). That was Havok with his powers specifically pushed to their very limits, by Emma. The heat from Havok disrupted his magnetic fields. Heat and magnets don't get along well. Cold enhances them while heat weakens them, which is what happened here. So while this is useful against, say, Superman's heat vision, it's not straight out 'overpowering', anymore than Scarlet Witch disrupting them is.

Digi
Quasar comes to mind for me as well (high herald and lower). It's not that GLs don't have great showings. But their shields tend to fluctuate more. Quasar's were always rock solid against all types of foes. Until the plot device-y Annihilation beatdown at the hands of Annihilus, he really lacked low showings (and I'm not sure that particular one is terribly embarrassing, given how much Annihilus was wanked during the arc), even going back to his early showings where he was just learning the Q-bands. Wendell was always incredibly legit.

abhilegend

abhilegend
Originally posted by Digi
Quasar comes to mind for me as well (high herald and lower). It's not that GLs don't have great showings. But their shields tend to fluctuate more. Quasar's were always rock solid against all types of foes. Until the plot device-y Annihilation beatdown at the hands of Annihilus, he really lacked low showings (and I'm not sure that particular one is terribly embarrassing, given how much Annihilus was wanked during the arc), even going back to his early showings where he was just learning the Q-bands. Wendell was always incredibly legit.
Not really. Pretty much everyone broke through his constructs in his own series.

He has one or two high end feats but nothing a GL can't replicate.

Philosophía
Originally posted by abhilegend
Emma said specifically that Havok broke through his strongest force fields AND disrupted his magnetism.Disrupting his magnetic fields with heat was what took his...magnetic fields down.

You can actually see Magneto saying "the heat...disrupting...magnetic fields..." in the scan where his...magnetic fields...are...being hit with heat.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qlqLLi8ms7g/Ws4Z1wu1HtI/AAAAAAAAGY0/dVFOAA0tbUQIVUpXFnGQM3IpSKkdMv7IwCHMYCw/s1600/RCO014.jpg

Then Emma specifically says that breaking through his forcefield was a consequence of weakening his magnetism:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SZD8Zac1FMM/Ws4Z2epdfrI/AAAAAAAAGZA/wkJV_20PKsglcPWv8lofWp5Xw_okAMZDgCHMYCw/s1600/RCO015.jpg
...if Magneto saying it wasn't enough..

DarkSaint85
So in this thread, with Big G firing off blasts, Mags goes down thumb up.

One Big Mob
Even if it didn't Havok hits way beyond his weightclass of being a loser Summers like Cyclops (Vulcan is alright I guess). And with some sort of mental amp, who knows.

The fact that Magneto took that attack, and then got hit unshielded by Bastion and (Mizzzzzzz) Sinister is huge.

abhilegend

Philosophía
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, the heat disrupted the magnetic field but that was accompanied with Havok blasting through his strongest force fields.

That's why she said "weakened his magnetism, broke through his strongest force fields". His blast generated heat, which weakened the magnetic shield, allowing the blast to overcome it and hit Magneto.

It's not a matter of force, but of a specific property weakening them.

Digi
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really. Pretty much everyone broke through his constructs in his own series.

He has one or two high end feats but nothing a GL can't replicate.

Nothing a GL couldn't replicate, agreed. But I do disagree if we talk about, say, median showing (average is so passe). GL shields are much bigger plot devices due to how many showings of them exist, so the variance is a lot wilder. It's also a bit lopsided to point to only his book (where, yes, there was good and bad) but ignore the many team-up or big event showings he had that were excellent.

abhilegend

Philosophía
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except it was. The force of Havok blasts punched through his shields as shown. The heat disrupted the magnetic field, allowing it to be breached.

If Batman punches Superman with a kryptonite ring, we don't treat the punch and the kryptonite as separate things, and say Batman's punch damaged Superman.

abhilegend

Digi
Originally posted by abhilegend
What would be median for Quasar then? He got destroyed by Gladiator, Masterson Thor, Hyperion, Adam Warlock and even random members of Imperial Guards.

He got a good showing in Infinity War tie in. But that's it.

Lol. "A" good showing. Yes, just the one.

Philosophía
Originally posted by abhilegend
It was the heat of the blasts which while blasting through the fields, broke through it.

It's not kryptonite where a particular radiation weakens Superman which has nothing to do with his power.

And its not like Magneto wilts anytime there is any heat.

The heat disrupted the shields, allowing the attack to pass through them.

Heat and magnets don't get along. Cold does. It's why Magneto is amped by cold. It's why heat, specifically said by Magneto, disrupted his shields.
...so it's quite the kryptonite.

Yes, Magneto has withstood heat based attacks before, so Havok with no-mental blocks is quite impressive!

abhilegend

Digi
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm curious as to what you think are some of his better feats.

The Galactus feat gets thrown around a lot, and imo remains valid to point to. Big G has taken a hit in comics compared to his zenith, but was still an abstract-level force at that point.

I was always impressed with how he no-sold a giant group including Hercules and Thor/Mjolnir who were simultaneously attacking one of his bubble shields in one of the cosmic arcs. He's held off nuclear blasts as well, and multitasked literally hundreds of constructs throughout the universe. I could dig a bit more, but my point stands. It could be that I'm forgetting more low showings than I should, and I never disagreed that good GLs could replicate his feats. I just have more memories of GL shields being swiss cheese due to the vast number of them in existence.

StiltmanFTW

cdtm
That gay vampire fanboy from One Piece had a pretty impenetrable shield.. By that universes standards, anyways.

Seemed like pretty much nothing could break it, even things that could bust islands and continents.

One Big Mob
Originally posted by Digi
The Galactus feat gets thrown around a lot, and imo remains valid to point to. Big G has taken a hit in comics compared to his zenith, but was still an abstract-level force at that point. Hint: Almost everytime Galactus has ever encountered a "herald level" foe, he has been hungry. The only times I can recall otherwise off the top of my head are the Odin fight, and the Scrier/Other fight where Thor accomplished nothing. It's the ultimate excuse, but still important.

The Quasar fight is no exception. Mind you he wasn't starving at the time, he just needed to feed.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Digi
The Galactus feat gets thrown around a lot, and imo remains valid to point to. Big G has taken a hit in comics compared to his zenith, but was still an abstract-level force at that point.

I was always impressed with how he no-sold a giant group including Hercules and Thor/Mjolnir who were simultaneously attacking one of his bubble shields in one of the cosmic arcs. He's held off nuclear blasts as well, and multitasked literally hundreds of constructs throughout the universe. I could dig a bit more, but my point stands. It could be that I'm forgetting more low showings than I should, and I never disagreed that good GLs could replicate his feats. I just have more memories of GL shields being swiss cheese due to the vast number of them in existence.
Galactus? Abstract? Does not computes. Reed made him his ***** in the same issue by a device he made on the fly. Galactus is as much an abstract as Surfer is top herald. Half of that is just lip service. I will say it was a good feat for Quasar though.

Yeah, that's the one good feat I was remembering. But then even Kilowog has stopped pretty much every hero on earth in a force field and Rond Vidar took on entire LOSV and SBP at once.

Quasar is good. A GL on his day is another thing altogether though.

Baziemarc123

abhilegend

abhilegend
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Wprg2XcolkM/VoOIcQk9x-I/AAAAAAAAGvw/QoVdX49Swo0/s1600-Ic42/RCO014.jpg

There you go. Uncanny X men 22 (2013).

Philosophía
Abhi, it's so obvious that you don't read Magneto's comics or know what's what, that this is just painful to read.

Current Magneto isn't depowered , but you have no idea when he was depowered, why, or how he got repowered.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by abhilegend
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Wprg2XcolkM/VoOIcQk9x-I/AAAAAAAAGvw/QoVdX49Swo0/s1600-Ic42/RCO014.jpg

There you go. Uncanny X men 22 (2013).

byOw4AYd7-8

Philosophía
I rectify what I said before, since I butchered it and can't edit/reformulate - current Magneto IS depowered, but is slowly getting back to full power and HAS been slowly geetting repowered from his previously depowered state at the end of AvX.

It sounds confusing, but I hope at least somebody here has followed the X-Men.

StiltmanFTW
Emma's "Unlock Potential" ability is pretty crazy - both in comics and in games based on them, we can't ignore that either.

And Havok is quite a powerful blaster - heat-based blaster - even without any amps, ffs.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Wprg2XcolkM/VoOIcQk9x-I/AAAAAAAAGvw/QoVdX49Swo0/s1600-Ic42/RCO014.jpg

There you go. Uncanny X men 22 (2013). Read uncanny X-men 2016 run mags been depowered for almost 2 years of not longer

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by abhilegend
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Wprg2XcolkM/VoOIcQk9x-I/AAAAAAAAGvw/QoVdX49Swo0/s1600-Ic42/RCO014.jpg

There you go. Uncanny X men 22 (2013).

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
byOw4AYd7-8

Philosophía
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Read uncanny X-men 2016 run mags been depowered for almost 2 years of not longer Magneto has been depowered since his confrontation against Phoenix in AvX.

That's 5-6 years ago.

Throughout this time, he has varied in power. Currently he's the most powerful he's been since then without any external amps, but using MGH brings him close to his former powerlevel.

Ask me anything!

StiltmanFTW

Philosophía
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Actually even BEFORE that.

Remember, when he was re-powered by the High Evolutionary... it turned out to be a NON-full repowerement; he was exhausted after Fatal Attraction'ing a single Predator X creature. And blamed it on his age.

And that - WEAKENED - Mags still got the Breakworld bullet back from the outer space, lol. And affected adamantium. And fought Proteus. And more.

I'll try to make a timeline.

He was depowered at the end of House of M.

He got repowered by High Evolutionary.

He was exhausted from tearing Predator X, and he attributed it to his age.

A few issues later, that was revealed as just due to using his powers too soon after his repowerment.

After this, he starts getting crazy feats - Kitty Bullet, Proteus, Celestial nervous system etc. He s back to full power, basically.

AvX happens. He is depowered after the confrontation with Phoenix/Cyclops kills Xavier. Low-level metal control.

He starts using MGH to get back to almost former powerlevel.

The depowerment is revealed to be a mental block.

When Secret Wars happens, his series is cancelled, and at the end of it he dies as he tries to repeal the Earths.

He comes back when the Universe is recreated.

He again overexhausts himself multiple times.

He starts the mental healing process with XORN that is currently still ongoing.

^ the bolded parts are all under the same writer.

The same writer, a few months ago:

http://cullenbunn.tumblr.com/post/164280081354/hello-dear-mrbunn-is-magnetos-power-still

StiltmanFTW
Not a fun of Bunn, but at least he gave a good reply.

And I agree, Mags below his peak is still a force to be reckoned with.

Philosophía
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not a fun of Bunn, but at least he gave a good reply.

And I agree, Mags below his peak is still a force to be reckoned with. I like Bunn's Magneto. Just the right good/bad balance.

He beat Exodus and straight up overpowered him . He also beat Genocide straight-up. And not that it counts as the real thing, but he also killed the Mojo-world Apocalypse in a straight fight.

When he was at full power, Bunn also had Magneto beat Joseph in a direct fight.

Baziemarc123
Right, so current Mags isn't actually at full power then?

Philosophía
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Right, so current Mags isn't actually at full power then? No. But he is not as depowered as he was at the end of AvX.

He is healing the mental damage he's received with Xorn, which keeps him from going full power.

abhilegend

abhilegend

Mindset
Doom.

Lock this.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Right, he wasn't infected by the nano sentinels under Bendis which explained why his power was broken?

He's been depowered. Him using MGH just goes to show that even more

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
He's been depowered. Him using MGH just goes to show that even more
MGH is enhancing his power.

Philosophía
Originally posted by abhilegend
Right, he wasn't infected by the nano sentinels under Bendis which explained why his power was broken? His powers are broken due to psychological trauma triggered in AvX with Xavier's death at the hands of Phoenix. This was made clear, time and time again.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't confuse the newbie, Bunn wrote a Depowered Magneto but the current writer did not. Hence why using MGH enhanced his power.

Abhi, the current writer IS Cullen Bunn. How could you possibly not even check this, when you're posting scans from his issues? And he explicitly states and shows Magneto is not at full power, writing his mental healing process.

Every discussion we have about Magneto, I feel like you're just straight up trolling me. Because both of this are really, really obvious.

abhilegend

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Scans of this broken power due to mental issues? Or better issue number?

Oh right, I messed it up with X Men Gold team.

Fair enough.

Then why would Havok say his powers were enhanced by MGH. Last time it was shown as corrected by Sugar Man's power amplifiers and Magneto channeled far more power than he ever had.


"Last time it was shown as corrected by Sugar Man's power amplifiers and Magneto channeled far more power than he ever had."

^scan?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
"Last time it was shown as corrected by Sugar Man's power amplifiers and Magneto channeled far more power than he ever had."

^scan?
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Magneto/Issue-19?id=14409
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Magneto/Issue-20?id=14413

Read yourself.

Philosophía
Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh right, I messed it up with X Men Gold team.

Fair enough. thumb up

He's the one who explicitly said and showed that Magneto is not at full power and is in the process of healing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Scans of this broken power due to mental issues? Or better issue number?

Then why would Havok say his powers were enhanced by MGH. Last time it was shown as corrected by Sugar Man's power amplifiers and Magneto channeled far more power than he ever had.

Sure.

Psychosomatic:

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38334045_Psychosomatic.jpg

Confirmed by Red Skull with Xavier's powers that he can use TP to flip them right back on :

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38334049_RedSkullTP.jpg

His mind is currently being healed by Xorn in a long process by going through all the trauma :

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38334046_RCO028_1469315426.jpghttps://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38334047_RCO029_1469315426.jpghttps://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38334048_RCO030_1469315426.jpg

Magneto can use MGH and power-amplifiers, yes. He did so repeatedly. But the power he can use in his normal state is severely limited.

Again:
http://cullenbunn.tumblr.com/post/164280081354/hello-dear-mrbunn-is-magnetos-power-still

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Magneto/Issue-19?id=14409
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Magneto/Issue-20?id=14413

Read yourself.

Uncanny X-Men is 2016. These are 2014, currently the comics disagree, how about you go read the new runs?

abhilegend

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Uncanny X-Men is 2016. These are 2014, currently the comics disagree, how about you go read the new runs?
Where is Magneto shown to be Depowered in Uncanny X men?

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Eh, what? The first scene is from Uncanny X Men 18 under Bendis who clarified that the Phoenix five and Magneto were infected by nano sentinels.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Uncanny-X-Men-2013/Issue-16?id=11038&quality=

Later two issues/scans are interesting in setting example but first is from Original Sin and Magneto got at full power and more under Bunn by Sugar Man's tech.

Xorn scene does not even mentions power. In fact I can't find even one scene in the current X Men Blue run which mentioned that Magneto is weakened.

Need more than that to conclude that Magneto is Depowered since last seven years.

He blatantly gave you the writer stating Magneto's power is still damaged in his current x-men uncanny series, are you trolling

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
He blatantly gave you the writer stating Magneto's power is still damaged in his current x-men uncanny series, are you trolling
Yes, he did. It's not what's shown in the comic though and what he is trying to say happened to Magneto.

Magneto's powers were not broken due to Phoenix Force to begin with, it was due to nano sentinels infecting him.

Genii96
Originally posted by gauntlet o doom
Inspired by the Magneto and Invisible Woman thread. Who amongst the following characters can create the most powerful forcefield? For instance, if Class 100 bricks start to pummel the force-field, whose would be the most difficult to break? And, if a Galactus-level being fired a cosmic blast at them, who has the greatest chance of surviving based solely on their shield/force-field/construct?

Magneto
Polaris
Invisible Woman
Jean Grey (not Phoenix)
Green Lantern
Quasar
Dr Doom

*No other powers allowed, only shields/forcefields/shield-type constructs are being used. Not including the Juggernaut as it'd probably trump all the above.


Well,using a normal magneto,not a depowered one

For class 100 bricks, he takes that cake


For a Galactus-being level blast
If it's a celestial, then sue storm has the highest chance of survival, if just an abstract, then GLs are most likely going by their feats

abhilegend
Originally posted by Genii96
Well,using a normal magneto,not a depowered one

For class 100 bricks, he takes that cake


For a Galactus-being level blast
If it's a celestial, then sue storm has the highest chance of survival, if just an abstract, then GLs are most likely going by their feats
What class 100 bricks has Magneto done better than a GL?

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, he did. It's not what's shown in the comic though and what he is trying to say happened to Magneto.

Magneto's powers were not broken due to Phoenix Force to begin with, it was due to nano sentinels infecting him.

Uncanny X-men 2016 run he was using MGH to supplement his power and it was mentioned a few times by Psylocke.

First issue after using his powers for a short time pushed himself to far.

https://imgur.com/a/YlkzC


Fighting the Dark Riders using his power again weakens him issue #5.

https://imgur.com/a/rCCKW

Going to Xorn for healing issue #6

https://imgur.com/a/8NSiw


Psylocke saying Magneto's used the stuff before...

https://imgur.com/a/jvrJO

I'd say it's pretty clear during the run he was depowered. There's nothing to suggest in current books he's gone even close to his former levels either. You should check yourself before calling someone a noobie

Genii96
Magneto was shown weakened in the very first issueof the 2016 uncanny xmen issue,not sure where the argument that he wasn't comes from

Philosophía
Originally posted by abhilegend
Eh, what? The first scene is from Uncanny X Men 18 under Bendis who clarified that the Phoenix five and Magneto were infected by nano sentinels.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Uncanny-X-Men-2013/Issue-16?id=11038&quality=

Later two issues/scans are interesting in setting example but first is from Original Sin and Magneto got at full power and more under Bunn by Sugar Man's tech.

Xorn scene does not even mentions power. In fact I can't find even one scene in the current X Men Blue run which mentioned that Magneto is weakened.

Need more than that to conclude that Magneto is Depowered since last seven years.

The first scene isn't from Uncanny X-Men 18, it's from #16. It's a supposition from Uncanny Avengers, that is confirmed by Red Skull with Xavier's telepathy in Magneto's own series, that Magneto's depowerment is psychological in nature, and not physical. The confirmation in Magneto's series takes place long AFTER Uncanny X-Men #22, where the nano-sentinels are revealed to have affected Cyclops and the rest, and Magneto remains depowered after.

You're literally ignoring on panel evidence, or simply have no clue of the chronology. Stop.

Magneto used Sugar Man's tech (along with multiple other means of amping himself) exactly because his 'normal' power was not at its best, and he needed all he could in order to repel the Incursion Earth. His normal state was not healed at any point, and the problems carried on to the next series with Magneto that Cullen wrote.

To make it crystal clear, in order:
AvX happens
Magneto is depowered
Cyclops and the rest are healed from nano-sentinels
Magneto is still depowered. It is clearly stated that it's a psychological block, by an actual telepath.
He uses external devices/drugs to amp himself against the Incursion
He dies
He is reborn with the Universe
Magneto is still depowered
Magneto goes to Xorn to being his healing process
The writer FLAT-OUT says that Magneto is depowered.

No sign of Magneto being depowered? You'd have to read the comics for that, abhi. You'd see for example that the link I posted where the writer of the series confirms that Magneto is currently depowered, the one that asks the question even puts a hint there, for those who don't read the comics, on where to look.



So he tells you:
a). to look in Uncanny X-Men
b). to look for a scene with a van.
c). he says that deaths still haunt him

Hmm..

What could it be?!

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38336934_RCO004_1468898155.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38336935_RCO005_1468898155.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38336936_RCO009_1468898155.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/38336937_RCO010_1468898155.jpg

His powers fail him again, later, in this same series.
As a consequence, in literally the next issue where his powers fail him again, he goes to Xorn, and starts the extended healing process.

I've caught you so many times being clueless about Magneto, that this is my last post I'll ever have with you on this character. This is close to talking with carver about Superman. So feel free to....wait for his low showings, then scream about them. Actually, nevermind. This is exactly like carver and Superman.

As a last word of advice on this topic: don't go with this positions anywhere else. Your hate of the character is transparent, but it's not worth getting your shit pushed in. If somebody who actually hates you catches you with it, you're going to have a bad time.

Have a great one smile

Philosophía
^This: " It's a supposition from Uncanny Avengers" should be Uncanny X-Men.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Uncanny X-men 2016 run he was using MGH to supplement his power and it was mentioned a few times by Psylocke.

First issue after using his powers for a short time pushed himself to far.

https://imgur.com/a/YlkzC


Fighting the Dark Riders using his power again weakens him issue #5.

https://imgur.com/a/rCCKW

Going to Xorn for healing issue #6

https://imgur.com/a/8NSiw


Psylocke saying Magneto's used the stuff before...

https://imgur.com/a/jvrJO

I'd say it's pretty clear during the run he was depowered. There's nothing to suggest in current books he's gone even close to his former levels either. You should check yourself before calling someone a noobie thumb up

I didn't read your reply, so I wasted time uploading scans.

leonidas
i don't get his deal with mags. i mean, he's literally been wrong, and proven wrong...a LOT with regards to mags. odd character to feel so strongly against. /shrug

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Uncanny X-men 2016 run he was using MGH to supplement his power and it was mentioned a few times by Psylocke.

First issue after using his powers for a short time pushed himself to far.

https://imgur.com/a/YlkzC


Fighting the Dark Riders using his power again weakens him issue #5.

https://imgur.com/a/rCCKW

Going to Xorn for healing issue #6

https://imgur.com/a/8NSiw


Psylocke saying Magneto's used the stuff before...

https://imgur.com/a/jvrJO

I'd say it's pretty clear during the run he was depowered. There's nothing to suggest in current books he's gone even close to his former levels either. You should check yourself before calling someone a noobie
I am aware of these instances, nowhere are they shown that Magneto is weakened. He gets overtaxed by use of his powers.

Also Psylocke says he has used this in the past. Yes, he has. But not in that volume.

abhilegend
Based on a comment by Mystique and Red Skull, eh?

But sure, Magneto has been depowered for seven years because he is suffering from a mental block. That's something at least.



Because Magneto wasn't cured of them. Not at that time at least.

You know that is also written by Cullen Bunn and there was literally no mention of a psychic block stopping him from using full power?



Whoa, Red Skull did not say that.

That was two years ago in Uncanny X Men 6. Are you saying Magneto hasn't been healed since then?


In 2017, from something which was never the factor in his Depowered state to begin with.

Right, because you're the only one who reads this.


Right, because Magneto has never been overtaxed by exerting his power.

No sir, never has been.
They didn't fail him, he overtaxed himself.

That healing "process" was done in the very same issue and the issue of his power wasn't even brought up.

You're making something which is not even there.

Uh-huh. Don't take the sanctimonious tone with me. I'm not some newbie who gets scared easily.

Right, now I hate magneto.

That's a good one if I ever saw one.

Have a good day.

-Pr-
Originally posted by abhilegend
Right, now I hate magneto.

To be fair, you do kinda give off that impression.

abhilegend
I must hate every character who I ever argued against then.

Philosophía
Originally posted by leonidas
i don't get his deal with mags. i mean, he's literally been wrong, and proven wrong...a LOT with regards to mags. odd character to feel so strongly against. /shrug Twist: he likes the character but doesn't know anything about him, so he just says the stupidest things he can think of to be corrected and learn!

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/138/reece.JPG

Estacado
Abhi tryin to make anyone look bad who isn't Superman.....

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
I am aware of these instances, nowhere are they shown that Magneto is weakened. He gets overtaxed by use of his powers.

Also Psylocke says he has used this in the past. Yes, he has. But not in that volume.

Overtaxed barely using his powers is definitely being weakened

abhilegend

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm
No, it's not.

Yes, it is. If he's barely using his powers and getting overtaxed that's definitely him being weakened lol. Go read the whole run and get back to me.

-Pr-
Originally posted by abhilegend
I must hate every character who I ever argued against then.

Wow, you just took that and ran with it, didn't you.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Yes, it is. If he's barely using his powers and getting overtaxed that's definitely him being weakened lol. Go read the whole run and get back to me.
What makes you think I haven't done that?

Magneto has been overtaxed that way before too. Just using his powers on predator x did that. Originally posted by -Pr-
Wow, you just took that and ran with it, didn't you.
Sarcasm my dear Raoul.

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