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The meaning of "deadly" is the ability to cause death.

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Darth Maul is proof that the Sith are deadlier than ever.

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Therefore, Darth Maul's ability to cause death is higher than the Sith have ever possessed.

But note, this quote isn't restricted to singular Sith. It encompasses any instances Sith have wielded the ability to cause death, meaning amped characters are fair game, as well as the Sith faction as a whole, and also instances when the Sith have owned superweapons.

So who wins between Darth Maul and Vitiate's Empire, given that the former's ability to cause death is higher than the latter's?

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Wrath kills him.

Originally posted by The.D0minator
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Looks like Maul wins

Originally posted by Haschwalth
Wrath kills him.

Maul's ability to cause death is higher than the Wrath's though, so he's probably a more efficient killer. It would therefore make no sense to declare the Wrath the victor over Maul.

Originally posted by Azronger
Maul's ability to cause death is higher than the Wrath's though, so he's probably a more efficient killer. It would therefore make no sense to declare the Wrath the victor over Maul.

You are so amusing when you troll.
Either that, or you need ILS to tutor you in Logic/context.

He would probably beat anybody in the games one on one aside from people like Valkorion, Nihilus, and maybe Revan.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
maybe Revan.
kek

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
He would probably beat anybody in the games one on one aside from people like Valkorion, Nihilus, and definitely Revan.

I fixed it

Nox kills Maul tbh

Originally posted by darthbane77
Nox kills Maul tbh

Originally posted by Azronger
Maul's ability to cause death is higher than Nox's though, so he's probably a more efficient killer. It would therefore make no sense to declare Nox the victor over Maul.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
kek

Got anymore gems like this quote in store?

Originally posted by Haschwalth
You are so amusing when you troll.
Either that, or you need ILS to tutor you in Logic/context.

Oh, I'd be greatly interested in what ILS has to say.

Originally posted by Azronger
"deadlier than ever" is a general indicator, it's not a direct statement of "Maul is greater than any Sith before him."

Maul being proof that the Sith are deadlier than ever does mean that Maul is deadler than any prior Sith, yes.

TPM Maul > Plagueis, meaning that TPM Sidious would absolutely stomp Plagueis http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/Smileys/default/7qCiSUb.png

Originally posted by Azronger
Maul being proof that the Sith are deadlier than ever does mean that Maul is deadler than any prior Sith, yes. Deadlier in general, not deadlier than every Sith before him.

Originally posted by The.D0minator
TPM Maul > Plagueis, meaning that TPM Sidious would absolutely stomp Plagueis http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/Smileys/default/7qCiSUb.png

Plagueis was alive during that time, so unfortunately no.

Originally posted by darthbane77
Deadlier in general, not deadlier than every Sith before him.

???

A Sith in the past - let's say Vitiate - is deadly. The text says Maul is proof that the Sith are deadlier than ever. Therefore, Maul is deadler than Vitiate.

Originally posted by Azronger
???

A Sith in the past - let's say Vitiate - is deadly. The text says Maul is proof that the Sith are deadlier than ever. Therefore, Maul is deadler than Vitiate. No, it's saying the Sith as an entity are more dangerous than ever, it is not saying that any specific individual is more deadly than any other individual.

Where is that quote from?

Originally posted by darthbane77
No, it's saying the Sith as an entity are more dangerous than ever, it is not saying that any specific individual is more deadly than any other individual.

Yes, it's saying the Sith as an entity are more deadly than ever, and it's also saying that Maul - a single, specific individual - is proof of that.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Where is that quote from?

Dunno, ask Ant. Quote originates from him.

This is nothing more than further proof that people who subscribe to accolades are fools.

This thread gave me cancer. Please, please your Sheev boi to influence my midi-chlorians.

Originally posted by JMANGO
This is nothing more than further proof that people who subscribe to accolades are fools.

Is it? We've never seen Maul's upper limit (aside from Sidious but he's not relevant here), have we? How do you know where he caps out?

Maul wins. He is too deadly.

What does this mean for Maul vs Kun?

Maul > Vitiate >>>> Malak >>> Exar.

Makes sense.

Originally posted by Azronger
Is it? We've never seen Maul's upper limit (aside from Sidious but he's not relevant here), have we? How do you know where he caps out? Yes, in that Maul is vastly superior to a great majority of history's Sith Lords. It's proof that the RoT has produced Sith that are generally far superior to past Sith. The quote does not, however, imply that Maul is superior to literally every Sith that came before. The logic you're using here dictates that Maul be superior to Plagueis, Tenebrous, or arguably Sidious himself.

This is why interpreting quotes literally, and taking them as 100% factual, rather than simply taking them into equal consideration with all other evidence, is entirely moronic.

Originally posted by darthbane77
Yes, in that Maul is vastly superior to a great majority of history's Sith Lords. It's proof that the RoT has produced Sith that are generally far superior to past Sith. The quote does not, however, imply that Maul is superior to literally every Sith that came before. The logic you're using here dictates that Maul be superior to Plagueis, Tenebrous, or arguably Sidious himself.

This is why interpreting quotes literally, and taking them as 100% factual, rather than simply taking them into equal consideration with all other evidence, is entirely moronic.

No, it doesn't posit that Maul is greater than Plagueis or Sidious, because the Sith of that time consisted of Plagueis, Sidious and Maul. It says that the Sith as a whole are deadler than ever, and that Maul alone is proof of that. As in, if there was a debate over which is more deadly, the OR Sith or the PT Sith, the former would bring up all sorts of feats and superweapons and so on. The latter would simply point to Darth Maul, who according to this quote, by himself, is proof enough that the PT Sith > OR Sith in terms of deadliness. So no matter what the OR supporters cite to hype up their characters, Maul will always be superior.

Maul haa feats that put him>Malgus, Jadus, etc. Anyhow.

Originally posted by Azronger
Is it?

It is. These type of accolades have licence to subjectivity and falsification. You just have to ask the question, is Maul the deadliest sith of all time based on his first appearance. The answer is no



Well he caps out much lower than Sidious. In canon, we have the pirates comparison (he runs away from a group pirates). In Legends we have the fighting force that defeats Maul (and Savage Opress of course) :

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Now if we're accounting for all the people in this frame. The fighting force that causes Maul's to retreat is :

- Two random Jedi of no renown
- A child
- Around 30 troopers of an unknown faction

That's if we're being generous to Maul, because realistically, both the child and Master Judd would have probably been enough, as Maul collapses after escaping.On the other hand, you have him against an entire Sith empire and Vitiate himself. All we have to support the notion is a bit of (probably outdated) text that alludes to him actually being anything other than a complete combative chump. Here's a better statement : Darth Maul would challenged by pretty much any random sith lord, and could loose based of his incompetence. You don't need a canonical statement to come to that conclusion because it's self evident by events of Star Wars.

I mean if we're taking this literally the quote also states that he's the "ultimate Jedi enemy", which would put him above Sidious.

I daresay you wouldn't agree with that conclusion?

Originally posted by Azronger
No, it doesn't posit that Maul is greater than Plagueis or Sidious, because the Sith of that time consisted of Plagueis, Sidious and Maul. It says that the Sith as a whole are deadler than ever, and that Maul alone is proof of that. As in, if there was a debate over which is more deadly, the OR Sith or the PT Sith, the former would bring up all sorts of feats and superweapons and so on. The latter would simply point to Darth Maul, who according to this quote, by himself, is proof enough that the PT Sith > OR Sith in terms of deadliness. So no matter what the OR supporters cite to hype up their characters, Maul will always be superior. Right, it confirms that the Sith of Bane's line are generally deadlier than the Sith that came before that. Using Maul as an example, however, does not confer superiority to ALL previous Sith.

Azronger you are good at finding sources and quotes. Play to your strengths. Leave debates to someone else.

Oh what a gem of a thread.

FYI the quote is clearly comparing Maul to the Sith of Old. The last ones the Jedi were aware of pre TPM. So Plagueis and Tenebrous are not included as being < Maul.

So, what? It emphasises his martial arts skills.