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Who wins?

Lol...the Challenger stomps Darkseid.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Who wins?


he hasnt done anything yet...its been one issue and all he did was bfr hulk. gotta stop deep throating characters who have zero feats under their belt

Darkseid one shots him.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
he hasnt done anything yet...its been one issue and all he did was bfr hulk. gotta stop deep throating characters who have zero feats under their belt

That

I dk man, he took Hulk's punch and ***** slapped the shit out of him. Did more damage in one back fist than the Avengers put together in 3 issues. He's clearly meant to be stronger than Hulk or at least noticeable above Herald level.

The Challenger from Avengers would beat the shit out of the Darkseid if we scale them off their respective fights against Hulk/Wonder Woman which is what I'm guessing this bait thread is about lol.

We'll see how it goes. He's going to get beat up by the Avengers next issue and never be seen again. And Darkseid will make him his b*tch.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I dk man, he took Hulk's punch and ***** slapped the shit out of him. Did more damage in one back fist than the Avengers put together in 3 issues. He's clearly meant to be stronger than Hulk or at least noticeable above Herald level. We'll see how it goes.

The Challenger from Avengers would beat the shit out of the Darkseid if we scale them off their respective fights against Hulk/Wonder Woman which is what I'm guessing this bait thread is about lol.


Darkseid oneshots this idiot.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Darkseid oneshots this idiot.

Darkseid couldn't one-shot Spider-Man.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Darkseid couldn't one-shot Spider-Man.
Is that why he oneshotted the whole justice league in his first appearance?

He will kill Odin at this point, forget about any elder.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is that why he oneshotted the whole justice league in his first appearance?

He will kill Odin at this point, forget about any elder.

Haha, did a one eyed man touch you in the no-no place while you were picking up dung after your Zebu?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I dk man, he took Hulk's punch and ***** slapped the shit out of him. Did more damage in one back fist than the Avengers put together in 3 issues. He's clearly meant to be stronger than Hulk or at least noticeable above Herald level.

The Challenger from Avengers would beat the shit out of the Darkseid if we scale them off their respective fights against Hulk/Wonder Woman which is what I'm guessing this bait thread is about lol.

We'll see how it goes. He's going to get beat up by the Avengers next issue and never be seen again. And Darkseid will make him his b*tch.

Agreed.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I dk man, he took Hulk's punch and ***** slapped the shit out of him. Did more damage in one back fist than the Avengers put together in 3 issues. He's clearly meant to be stronger than Hulk or at least noticeable above Herald level.

The Challenger from Avengers would beat the shit out of the Darkseid if we scale them off their respective fights against Hulk/Wonder Woman which is what I'm guessing this bait thread is about lol.

We'll see how it goes. He's going to get beat up by the Avengers next issue and never be seen again. And Darkseid will make him his b*tch.

Waiting might be best for now, yeah. I see the appeal, Hulk took Mjolnir + Hercules in stride, then got rocketed out of earth by his backhand.

But since it's probably just new villain hype, he'll have to do A LOT to contend with Darkseid, who's been doing pretty well since they figured out how he should be treating Superman:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111189414/4323744-1801692604-35638.png

He just got a bad taste of the vagina force recently.

That said, yeah, let's wait for his next showing.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Haha, did a one eyed man touch you in the no-no place while you were picking up dung after your Zebu?
facepalm

Typical.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
he hasnt done anything yet...its been one issue and all he did was bfr hulk. gotta stop deep throating characters who have zero feats under their belt

He disintegrates Grandmaster two issues before.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-M9QgtFrDogI/WsZM8BGU10I/AAAAAAABMR8/bv1tBNpNZ8MZ-K48xxErGRF4zfvzmqEdgCLcBGAs/s1600/Avengers%2B%2523%2B686%2B%25286%2529.jpg

Sin didn't know that.

Simon catches the backhand:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UJtlCfwUhyA/Ws4LiiHaBCI/AAAAAAAAFeg/4Tau7ojn66wIEhOhkpd1A27oPq1Jx-1hgCHMYCw/s1600/RCO019.jpg

so based on grandmaster, back handing a pacifist and bfring hulk u feel he has enough feats to challenge darkseid?

wholly unimpressive. my statement stands

Originally posted by TheHulkster
He disintegrates Grandmaster two issues before.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-M9QgtFrDogI/WsZM8BGU10I/AAAAAAABMR8/bv1tBNpNZ8MZ-K48xxErGRF4zfvzmqEdgCLcBGAs/s1600/Avengers%2B%2523%2B686%2B%25286%2529.jpg Originally posted by TheHulkster
Simon catches the backhand:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UJtlCfwUhyA/Ws4LiiHaBCI/AAAAAAAAFeg/4Tau7ojn66wIEhOhkpd1A27oPq1Jx-1hgCHMYCw/s1600/RCO019.jpg
Good. Darkseid oneshots him.

Lol... and I know something is going to come back at me from him when I say this but I agree with Insane.

It's a little too early for me to make any serious claims, but as of this point Darkseid has the Challenger beat in the feat dept. I wouldn't normally make feats the sole reason for making a hard decision but at this point the Challenger failed to even Hurt the Hulk. The Hulk was bfr'd and only suffered superficial damage. The Grandmaster was either destroyed or sent/shunted away so again, not much can be said until a later time.

Darkseid for now.

I think that the latest issue puts him at a comparable level as Darkseid.

No, it doesn't.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I think that the latest issue puts him at a comparable level as Darkseid. Id say above him, DS is weak and needed saving from WW.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Id say above him, DS is weak and needed saving from WW.
...Just like the Purple Teletubby got his life saved by... lol.. Eros.

Originally posted by panthergod
...Just like the Purple Teletubby got his life saved by... lol.. Eros. understand context first before comenting boy. WW was wrecking DS and needed help

Originally posted by panthergod
...Just like the Purple Teletubby got his life saved by... lol.. Eros.

You mean the sick, dying and nearly powerless Thanos?

Challenger wins with his near infinite power.

DS and it's not even close. Child DS was killing sky father level beings. He tanked Zeus' thunderbolts like nothing.
Adult DS is Supreme being level in comics.

Darkseid wins with his infinite power then?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pKOGTD9OFi4/VkMMOjcdl-I/AAAAAAASNBQ/eTN_rjRBIbM/s1600/05_07.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fC6lpebR-k0/VkMMO9ecMCI/AAAAAAASNBU/FSU8Mw12b8U/s1600/05_08.jpg

Because Darkseid=GL CPB and CPB officially has infinite power.

Originally posted by Diesldude
DS and it's not even close. Child DS was killing sky father level beings. He tanked Zeus' thunderbolts like nothing.
Adult DS is Supreme being level in comics.

Why must we always go from one extreme to the other? Carver is an idiot, but Darkseid is hardly a supreme level being. The entire plot of the Wonder Woman and his very goal currently demonstrates that he is anything BUT a supreme level being.

Child DS was not killing Skyfather level beings unless I missed a comic? Teenage Darkseid managed to beat Zeus but it was explicitly through energy absorption. He was leeching Zeus' power the entire fight.

And this is mostly impressive because we are pre-supposing a Skyfather level similar to the beings we are a familiar with. Which is fair, but if we do the same for Grandmaster, the Challenger one-shotted him.

I give Darkseid the win personally simply because he's been around longer at this point and has much higher extremes such as Final Crisis obviously but the idea that it's not even close, based on the current portrayal is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why must we always go from one extreme to the other? Carver is an idiot, but Darkseid is hardly a supreme level being. The entire plot of the Wonder Woman and his very goal currently demonstrates that he is anything BUT a supreme level being.

Child DS was not killing Skyfather level beings unless I missed a comic? Teenage Darkseid managed to beat Zeus but it was explicitly through energy absorption. He was leeching Zeus' power the entire fight.

And this is mostly impressive because we are pre-supposing a Skyfather level similar to the beings we are a familiar with. Which is fair, but if we do the same for Grandmaster, the Challenger one-shotted him.

I give Darkseid the win personally simply because he's been around longer at this point and has much higher extremes such as Final Crisis obviously but the idea that it's not even close, based on the current portrayal is ridiculous.
Grandmaster is hardly a skyfather level being.

Darkseid even currently has feats that go beyond someone like Odin, forget Grandmaster.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Grandmaster is hardly a skyfather level being.

Darkseid even currently has feats that go beyond someone like Odin, forget Grandmaster.

Based on his status and penis stroking, you think presupposing a Skyfather level for him is somehow worse than...current Zeus? Who's only showing that I know of is losing to Darkseid (I think he beat the First Born in a flashback?)? Because that was my main point.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Based on his status and penis stroking, you think presupposing a Skyfather level for him is somehow worse than...current Zeus? Who's only showing that I know of is losing to Darkseid (I think he beat the First Born in a flashback?)? Because that was my main point.
Highfather was shown that birth of Zeus would end universe by Source itself.

Current marvel Zeus who got out of a fight because a titan threw a spear at him and got killed by Typhon in his child form? That Zeus?

Because contrary to what you think Greek Gods in DC are not weak by any measure. Heck Ares himself has feats that put many skyfathers to shame.

Darkseid, and it's not even close. I could see current DS being a good fight, but Darkseid after he absorbed countless gods would stomp Challenger.

I'd need to see Challenger resist something comparable to the omega beams. And right now he doesn't have that. I dont believe.

In a weaker incarnation, he pretty blew off Zeus' punches

https://i2.wp.com/thefanboyseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Wonder-Woman-2016-037-010.jpg?resize=666%2C1024

and to be fair to Darkseid, even if he was getting rocked by Diana at the end of the ordeal he was still pretty well off.

Originally posted by Damborgson
In a weaker incarnation, he pretty blew off Zeus' punches

https://i2.wp.com/thefanboyseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Wonder-Woman-2016-037-010.jpg?resize=666%2C1024

and to be fair to Darkseid, even if he was getting rocked by Diana at the end of the ordeal he was still pretty well off. He only did so well against Zeus because of the use of his omega beams, Zeus punch has him on the ropes.

He needed Grail to save his ass, 3 punches in and he was on the back foot.

The forces of Apokalips are destroying universes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid wins with his infinite power then?



Darkseid does not have infinite power.

Originally posted by mace11
Darkseid does not have infinite power.

Darkseid is fueled by the Source though. Not saying his powers is Infinite, but the being that powers him has.

Originally posted by SquallX
Darkseid is fueled by the Source though. Not saying his powers is Infinite, but the being that powers him has.

The same can be said of the Hulk.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why must we always go from one extreme to the other? Carver is an idiot, but Darkseid is hardly a supreme level being. The entire plot of the Wonder Woman and his very goal currently demonstrates that he is anything BUT a supreme level being.

Child DS was not killing Skyfather level beings unless I missed a comic? Teenage Darkseid managed to beat Zeus but it was explicitly through energy absorption. He was leeching Zeus' power the entire fight.

And this is mostly impressive because we are pre-supposing a Skyfather level similar to the beings we are a familiar with. Which is fair, but if we do the same for Grandmaster, the Challenger one-shotted him.

I give Darkseid the win personally simply because he's been around longer at this point and has much higher extremes such as Final Crisis obviously but the idea that it's not even close, based on the current portrayal is ridiculous.

Near infinite...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38406376/Avengers_2016-_689-023.jpg.html

Originally posted by mace11
Darkseid does not have infinite power.
That's not what the comic said.

Originally posted by SquallX
Darkseid is fueled by the Source though. Not saying his powers is Infinite, but the being that powers him has.

Challenger would be fueled by the Power Primordial.

Darkseids OE seals the deal. It really depends on the Avatar though, most would win, True Darkseid would stomp.

Challenger is a joke. Classic Grandmaster is/was more impressive (with a flick of his wrist, he one shot KOed Surfer/Classic Strange/Savage Hulk/Valkyrie/etc...). Darkseid should win.

Originally posted by zopzop
Challenger is a joke. Classic Grandmaster is/was more impressive (with a flick of his wrist, he one shot KOed Surfer/Classic Strange/Savage Hulk/Valkyrie/etc...). Darkseid should win.
Where did Grandmaster do that?

Originally posted by zopzop
Challenger is a joke. Classic Grandmaster is/was more impressive (with a flick of his wrist, he one shot KOed Surfer/Classic Strange/Savage Hulk/Valkyrie/etc...). Darkseid should win. Yeah they've really ruined the character. Sometimes he gets a decent feat, but more often than not he's a punching bag.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did Grandmaster do that?
https://s14.postimg.cc/lk9qma1hp/Defenders_Giant_Size_03-29.jpg https://s14.postimg.cc/j2xzf0pb1/Defenders_Giant_Size_03-30.jpg
He can also manipulate space/time so he can see and interact with people operating at the speed of light and beyond:
https://s14.postimg.cc/u3t4jwk31/3795052-quasar_58.9.jpg
He can raise the dead and do other exotic stuff with his powers. He's a legit skyfather IMHO.

EDIT :
Surfer wasn't there, Namor was. My bad.

Originally posted by zopzop
https://s14.postimg.cc/lk9qma1hp/Defenders_Giant_Size_03-29.jpg https://s14.postimg.cc/j2xzf0pb1/Defenders_Giant_Size_03-30.jpg
He can also manipulate space/time so he can see and interact with people operating at the speed of light and beyond:
https://s14.postimg.cc/u3t4jwk31/3795052-quasar_58.9.jpg
He can raise the dead and do other exotic stuff with his powers. He's a legit skyfather IMHO.

EDIT :
Surfer wasn't there, Namor was. My bad.

Did he get weakened? Current is a joke

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Did he get weakened? Current is a joke
All the Elders are a joke now, not just Grandmaster. Blame the idiot writers at Marvel.

The Elders and the Celestials were such awesome character concepts with so much potential. They are a shadow of their former selves now.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Yeah they've really ruined the character. Sometimes he gets a decent feat, but more often than not he's a punching bag.
Yup. Hence my "Phuck Marvel" attitude nowadays.

Originally posted by zopzop
https://s14.postimg.cc/lk9qma1hp/Defenders_Giant_Size_03-29.jpg https://s14.postimg.cc/j2xzf0pb1/Defenders_Giant_Size_03-30.jpg
He can also manipulate space/time so he can see and interact with people operating at the speed of light and beyond:
https://s14.postimg.cc/u3t4jwk31/3795052-quasar_58.9.jpg
He can raise the dead and do other exotic stuff with his powers. He's a legit skyfather IMHO.

EDIT :
Surfer wasn't there, Namor was. My bad.
Ah that. Yes, he was skyfather class once. Currently he is hardly at that level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ah that. Yes, he was skyfather class once. Currently he is hardly at that level.
What's even more incredible in those scans is that they were DEAD. He rezzed and fully healed them. Then when they pissed him off, he put their asses to sleep.

Originally posted by zopzop
All the Elders are a joke now, not just Grandmaster. Blame the idiot writers at Marvel.

The Elders and the Celestials were such awesome character concepts with so much potential. They are a shadow of their former selves now.

Yup. Hence my "Phuck Marvel" attitude nowadays.

I don't think any of the elders has been depowered have they? or is due to the writers

Originally posted by zopzop
https://s14.postimg.cc/lk9qma1hp/Defenders_Giant_Size_03-29.jpg https://s14.postimg.cc/j2xzf0pb1/Defenders_Giant_Size_03-30.jpg
He can also manipulate space/time so he can see and interact with people operating at the speed of light and beyond:
https://s14.postimg.cc/u3t4jwk31/3795052-quasar_58.9.jpg
He can raise the dead and do other exotic stuff with his powers. He's a legit skyfather IMHO.

EDIT :
Surfer wasn't there, Namor was. My bad.

He also demonstrated his space/time powers when he rewrote 4 individual's history and turned them into squadron sinister (the likes of hyperion and dr spectrum) and granted Kang the power to easily defeat the avengers. It was even mentioned that his power is greater than the cosmic cube (while at that time, the cube didn't have the ridiculous feats it currently has it was still an object which could literally grant any wish). He has also opened portal to the ultraverse (another multiverse). Oddly enough, even recently (relatively speaking) in mighty avengers he was mentioned to be a reality warper...

Originally posted by operator616
He also demonstrated his space/time powers when he rewrote 4 individual's history and turned them into squadron sinister (the likes of hyperion and dr spectrum) and granted Kang the power to easily defeat the avengers. It was even mentioned that his power is greater than the cosmic cube (while at that time, the cube didn't have the ridiculous feats it currently has it was still an object which could literally grant any wish). He has also opened portal to the ultraverse (another multiverse). Oddly enough, even recently (relatively speaking) in mighty avengers he was mentioned to be a reality warper...

Was he? Then he's probably still at classic levels if the reality warping part is true

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Was he? Then he's probably still at classic levels if the reality warping part is true

Yes he was mentioned, along with Korvac and shaper of worlds, to be a reality re-writer, specifically. But regardless, actions speak louder than words.

Dont get why Grandmaster is being bashed. It took Wanda hex abilities amping a team including herself to stop him. Under normal conditions, they were nothing to him.

Originally posted by operator616
Yes he was mentioned, along with Korvac and shaper of worlds, to be a reality re-writer, specifically. But regardless, actions speak louder than words.

Well Classic version did manipulate space/time so wouldn't see the problem with him being it now

Originally posted by abhilegend
Highfather was shown that birth of Zeus would end universe by Source itself.

Current marvel Zeus who got out of a fight because a titan threw a spear at him and got killed by Typhon in his child form? That Zeus?

Because contrary to what you think Greek Gods in DC are not weak by any measure. Heck Ares himself has feats that put many skyfathers to shame.

The Birth of Zeus would end the Universe? What does that mean? Can I have an issue number please.

Is this a tactical way of admitting that DC Zeus in fact, has no actual feats outside of losing to Darkseid? Can you finally decide when CLAIMS count or don't? Every thread you have a different stance.

I have no idea how an attempted lowball at Marvel Zeus is relevant? My main point is, that attributing Skyfather level to DC Zeus to claim Darkseid was impressive and ignoring that the Challenger one-shot Grandmaster, who has WAY more impressive feats than DC Zeus in current continuity (AFAIK atm) is faulty, stupid, and hypocritical.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Birth of Zeus would end the Universe? What does that mean? Can I have an issue number please.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-2011/Issue-14?id=7334
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-2011/Issue-22?id=7343




Not exactly but you seem to think losing to Darkseid means he is automatically weak.

Grandmaster is hardly skyfather level currently. He has far too many low showings to considered at that level.

Zeus also has his pre Flashpoint feats to fall back on and while he has only few, his average is really high.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-2011/Issue-14?id=7334
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-2011/Issue-22?id=7343




Not exactly but you seem to think losing to Darkseid means he is automatically weak.

Grandmaster is hardly skyfather level currently. He has far too many low showings to considered at that level.

Zeus also has his pre Flashpoint feats to fall back on and while he has only few, his average is really high.

what's those "Far" too many low showings? I thought it was just the Hulk battle

Originally posted by operator616
He also demonstrated his space/time powers when he rewrote 4 individual's history and turned them into squadron sinister (the likes of hyperion and dr spectrum) and granted Kang the power to easily defeat the avengers. It was even mentioned that his power is greater than the cosmic cube (while at that time, the cube didn't have the ridiculous feats it currently has it was still an object which could literally grant any wish). He has also opened portal to the ultraverse (another multiverse). Oddly enough, even recently (relatively speaking) in mighty avengers he was mentioned to be a reality warper... He was also implied to be above himself with Isotype plot device while in his home (native realm?). Not the greatest feat mind you, but it does help out with the Maestro showing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-2011/Issue-14?id=7334
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-2011/Issue-22?id=7343




Not exactly but you seem to think losing to Darkseid means he is automatically weak.

Grandmaster is hardly skyfather level currently. He has far too many low showings to considered at that level.

Zeus also has his pre Flashpoint feats to fall back on and while he has only few, his average is really high.


Whaat? Zeus=Source?

No, Zeus was zola's child wasn't he? who was actually born and nothing seemed to happen. The main villain of Azzarello's run was first born, and i don't recall it being explained how the child (zeus) was actually a universal threat. I think it was meant that the first born wanted to use him to get to the throne of olympus.

A lot of plot points were unresolved in that run.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-2011/Issue-14?id=7334
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Wonder-Woman-2011/Issue-22?id=7343

Not exactly but you seem to think losing to Darkseid means he is automatically weak.

Grandmaster is hardly skyfather level currently. He has far too many low showings to considered at that level.

Zeus also has his pre Flashpoint feats to fall back on and while he has only few, his average is really high.

I'll read those when I'm out of the library (Link blocked).

No....but I think when a character's ONLY feat is to get leeched and lose to Darkseid, using it as evidence that Darkseid can take on a Skyfather, while simultaneously denouncing the Challenger is absolutely ridiculous. It's a hypocritical stance worthy of Donald Trump.

DC Zeus has currently done nothing except lose to Darkseid. Grandmaster has decades of d*ck stroking and feats that would be envious of any Skyfather.

So, from what I understand, the Grandmaster isn't a Skyfather currently because he has low showings. What about DC Zeus? Is he a Skyfather?

You have yet to even disagree with me. What exactly is your point? You keep replying but not really saying anything.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'll read those when I'm out of the library (Link blocked).

No....but I think when a character's ONLY feat is to get leeched and lose to Darkseid, using it as evidence that Darkseid can take on a Skyfather, while simultaneously denouncing the Challenger is absolutely ridiculous. It's a hypocritical stance worthy of Donald Trump.

DC Zeus has currently done nothing except lose to Darkseid. Grandmaster has decades of d*ck stroking and feats that would be envious of any Skyfather.

DC Zeus has also done several feats that would be envious for any skyfather. You're acting like it's the first time Zeus has shown in a comic. Rebirth made it pretty clear that the post Flashpoint version is the same as post crisis universe.



Yes, he is.

I already said what I wanted to say. Darkseid oneshots Challenger.

So, current Zeus has no feasts other than losing to Darkseid is a Skyfather? Why exactly? Because his name is Zeus? The Olympian mythology is significantly different post-Azzarello.

I don't even mind arbitrarily assigning him low Skyfather status through convoluted ABC logic (Which you supposedly hate) but how can you claim he is a Skyfather but Grandmaster isn't?

It is absolutely nonsense. And reveals your incredible bias and double standard. Grandmaster has feats superior to anything I've seen even Pre-Flashpoint Zeus accomplish but Rulk punched him in the face under Loeb so he's not a Skyfather? SMH.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So, current Zeus has no feasts other than losing to Darkseid is a Skyfather? Why exactly? Because his name is Zeus? The Olympian mythology is significantly different post-Azzarello.

Rucka retconned Azzarelo gods away. It's just pre Flashpoint version of the gods.

Right, because you're the authority on these things and we should defer to you.



Grandmaster has better feats than Zeus, Odin and Jove splitting apart The Source itself?

Rage, you're the most biased marvel fanboy I've ever met. Let that sink in.