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we know what void has done to him in the past. how's this new hulk do...?

He dies.

Is there any proof from writers that Immortal Hulk is any stronger than World Breaker Hulk?

He isn't stronger than World Breaker but he is far above Herald level.

Proof? I've heard that the writers said he's "stronger than he's ever been before" or something like that

Well The Challenger Elder was severely hurt by Im. Hulk's punches, The Challenger then proceeded to punch Hulk's face in, which was strong enough to bfr him past the moon (just kidding, but seriously he was out of there), and it didn't put the Hulk out for even an instant, the Hulk actually laughed it off, as if he wasn't even hit. I wonder what would have happened if the Hulk could fly back and hit him again? All damage done was purely superficial, it had no effect on him whatsoever.

I actually don't know who the Challenger is. Is he strong?

Originally posted by XLR87T3
I actually don't know who the Challenger is. Is he strong?

Very.

How does that help against the Void?

i'd still take void. he's got more than strength going for him. wonder of hulk's old fear of him would still manifest? after all he's been through since, probably not but i still don't see him winning this battle.

Hulk is laughing at the Challenger saying he was the one hurt. It's like a domestic abuse victim cry laughing when they are getting their ribs kicked in as the husband yells about getting hurt.

The Challenger brought the Hulk back to life from his peace, turned him into a weapon and then back punched him into orbit while whining that Hulk drew a bit of blood. That was a laugh of pain at the irony.

Void stomps btw.

Hulk gets raped

yeah strange was seriously amped and that whole arc was REALLY good to loki, and void did seem to have them on the ropes still. took all 3 just to cage it again... very good showing for void overall.

all lokis are loki.

Void destroys this version of Hulk, only WBH can beat void.

Giving this to the Hulk. The Challenger is a beast by the way.

What has he done?

Originally posted by Zack M
What has he done?

He's far above beings that can stop a planet from spinning and he bfred punched a guy that was treating beings that could stop a planet like fodder.

geezus. you will take one scene and make it mean everything, won't you? you really are un-fukcin-real.

Originally posted by leonidas
geezus. you will take one scene and make it mean everything, won't you? you really are un-fukcin-real.

Sorry Leo. I'll listen. How powerful do you think Immortal Hulk is (Hulk in general have been operating above elite for a while now but I'll let you enlighten me)?

Originally posted by carver9
He's far above beings that can stop a planet from spinning and he bfred punched a guy that was treating beings that could stop a planet like fodder.

Scans?

Of what?

What you said.

Originally posted by carver9
Sorry Leo. I'll listen. How powerful do you think Immortal Hulk is (Hulk in general have been operating above elite for a while now but I'll let you enlighten me)?

here's a better idea--YOU claim he's so awesome how about you prove it by telling me who he has fought so far and defeated that you consider to be above high herald? not a one panel jizzfest, in an actual battle? it's your claim, so prove it.

Originally posted by leonidas
here's a better idea--YOU claim he's so awesome how about you prove it by telling me who he has fought so far and defeated that you consider to be above high herald? not a one panel jizzfest, in an actual battle? it's your claim, so prove it.

Are you talking about Hulk or Grand? Let me know before I start posting.

Originally posted by Zack M
What you said.

Grandmaster punch Hulk out of orbit.


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More scans on the way.

How powerful was this Hulk? He casually owned a team of Avengers...

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Owned Red Hulk and absorbed his power and then proceeded at owning Vision who has had a amp sufficient to take out the Avengers...
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Carver does have a point when it comes to the Challenger, and the Avengers, but in order for me to say that he defeats the Void so soon after he'd been brought back into the fold is a bit premature to say the least.

Hulk had a very good showing when he took the Challenger's punch without going to sleep. Which brings up another point concerning the Hulk's ability to return to the battlefield. If he were able to fly, I wonder how it would have ultimately gone down?

The Challenger, or Grand Master Prime is obviously above Hercules, and even Thor in terms of raw strength, which Carver was correct to bring up. Hercules, and Thor couldn't hold or stop him. while the Vision, and Wonder Man were in well over their heads when they went up against Immortal Hulk. Then again he may just have that new smell thing going on.

For now, I get the impression that the Hulk's constitution has been dramatically raised. The punch that he took from Grand Master Prime was definitely a killing blow, it literally crushed his face.

Anyway, not sure who wins this yet.

The Avengers were strong enough to stop the planet from moving (thanks for thr scans Phil)...

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so let me get this straight--his feats include smacking around a simon who didn't even fight back, beating vision and fighting an inconclusive battle against herc and thor who were really only trying to stop him, not kill him. oh, and he got punched out of orbit.

yeah, that makes him trans for sure.

christ. bannerless hulk was as impressive when he fought an entire team of avengers who at one point were REALLY trying to put him down.

as i said--unreal ffs.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
is he still god of stories? i was under the impression that was a lie as well. same as him never being the sorcerer supreme.

No, he became the God of Stories for real. It's from the story leading up to Secret Wars II.

I don't think he has his reality warping powers anymore, but he seems to have his magic back at least. It wouldn't make sense for him to walk around at a level where he could threaten TWSAS (Aka the Beyonders) and pocket all the God stories of Marvel in a snow globe.

Originally posted by carver9
The Avengers were strong enough to stop the planet from moving (thanks for thr scans Phil)...

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You mean Sunspot and Hercules? Yeah I know, Sunspot has planetary level strength for a limited time. Sunspot didn't actually fight Hulk though either.

Originally posted by leonidas
so let me get this straight--his feats include smacking around a simon who didn't even fight back, beating vision and fighting an inconclusive battle against herc and thor who were really only trying to stop him, not kill him. oh, and he got punched out of orbit.

yeah, that makes him trans for sure.

christ. bannerless hulk was as impressive when he fought an entire team of avengers who at one point were REALLY trying to put him down.

as i said--unreal ffs.

V&V Despero is mid Herald because he fought against a gang of Heralds that wasn't trying to kill him.

Titus is Mid Herald because he fought against the Justice League that wasn't trying to kill him.

Gog that fought a gang of Supermen, Wonder Womans, Justice League is mid Herald because he fought against a gang of powered heros that wasn't trying to kill him.

Prime is high Herald because he fought a gang of heros that wasn't trying to kill him.

Let me find more people that is worshipped in KMC that fought heros but is only Mid Herald. Let's not try to change the game because HULK have a great showing. Give credit where credit is due. Take off those shades and stop hating because it makes you look bias.

Originally posted by Stoic
You mean Sunspot and Hercules? Yeah I know, Sunspot has planetary level strength for a limited time. Sunspot didn't actually fight Hulk though either.

I would say Sunspot didn't add much but it doesn't matter if he fought Hulk or not because Hulk fought Thor in the place of Sunspot and it was said that Thor and Herc could've achieved the ft.

Originally posted by carver9
Grandmaster punch Hulk out of orbit.


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More scans on the way.

Is that the only feat for Grandmaster?

Dude I think you should slow down a bit, because in an upcoming issue the Immortal Hulk may be flattened by Pagan, or a character in that weight class. Then you're going to feel like someone threw a pie in your face. Let's give it a little time that's all I'm saying.

Originally posted by Zack M
Is that the only feat for Grandmaster?

Well he has other power stunts showing off the scope of his powers, but so far he's a newbie.

What has Sunspot even done besides this feat?

Originally posted by Stoic
Well he has other power stunts showing off the scope of his powers, but so far he's a newbie.

I'd be more curious of how Hulk does against established trans tier beings, so I'll say the Void FOR NOW.

Originally posted by Stoic
Dude I think you should slow down a bit, because in an upcoming issue the Immortal Hulk may be flattened by Pagan, or a character in that weight class. Then you're going to feel like someone threw a pie in your face. Let's give it a little time that's all I'm saying.

The thread is about Immortal Hulk, so those are the only fts I can post tbh. I wouldn't mind posting Hulk other fts from Hulk but they would get brushed off. So I can only dig in the scans that is titled "Immortal Hulk".

Originally posted by One Big Mob
What has Sunspot even done besides this feat?

Well it specifically says that he wears energy dampeners at all times, but when he takes them off, he has elite level strength. He did say that he could step in for the Hulk, because Hercules did not possess the kind of strength that it would take to stop the planet from spinning. With Sunspot's aid they were able to do it, so yeah Sunspot is strong as long as he removes the dampeners which immediately begins killing him.

Originally posted by carver9
The thread is about Immortal Hulk, so those are the only fts I can post tbh. I wouldn't mind posting Hulk other fts from Hulk but they would get brushed off. So I can only dig in the scans that is titled "Immortal Hulk".

Well that's what I'm saying, you can't really go all in because you don't know the Hulk's current vulnerabilities, and can only assume that he can't die.

Originally posted by Stoic
Well it specifically says that he wears energy dampeners at all times, but when he takes them off, he has elite level strength. He did say that he could step in for the Hulk, because Hercules did not possess the kind of strength that it would take to stop the planet from spinning. With Sunspot's aid they were able to do it, so yeah Sunspot is strong as long as he removes the dampeners which immediately begins killing him. So... nothing?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
So... nothing?

Just stop the planet Earth from spinning with Hercules. I wouldn't call that nothing but we may share completely different perspectives.

Originally posted by carver9
V&V Despero is mid Herald because he fought against a gang of Heralds that wasn't trying to kill him.

Titus is Mid Herald because he fought against the Justice League that wasn't trying to kill him.

Gog that fought a gang of Supermen, Wonder Womans, Justice League is mid Herald because he fought against a gang of powered heros that wasn't trying to kill him.

Prime is high Herald because he fought a gang of heros that wasn't trying to kill him.

Let me find more people that is worshipped in KMC that fought heros but is only Mid Herald. Let's not try to change the game because HULK have a great showing. Give credit where credit is due. Take off those shades and stop hating because it makes you look bias.

sigh....you're not even making sense at this point but why am i surprised. mid herald? wtf are you even talking about? v&v despero IS despero and i wouldn't place him above high herald. titus?? really? THESE are the examples you hold up? stupid, one-off showings to support hulk's one-off showing? gog has WAY more showings than your unbeatable hulk does. prime? ok, ok, you're trolling. least you admit it, unlike others.

and i've already said--repeatedly, across threads--it was a good feat. BUT THAT IS ALL. that's it. nothing more than the usual villain-first-appearance hype that we see all the time. you turning hulk into some trans god over a single, inconclusive showing is idiotic and it's your constant overhype and jumping all over every little thing he does and your insistence on the use of logical fallacies like abc logic--they can spin a planet and look what hulk did to them!1!!--these are the things that give the (correct) appearance of bias.

is he stronger than other incarnations? i dunno. maybe it will be born out. beating SIMON and VISION? the scene you so desperately cling to? those are no where near enough evidence to support that conclusion. not even phukcin close.

Originally posted by Stoic
Dude I think you should slow down a bit, because in an upcoming issue the Immortal Hulk may be flattened by Pagan, or a character in that weight class. Then you're going to feel like someone threw a pie in your face. Let's give it a little time that's all I'm saying.



not his style, but maybe he'll listen to you. of course, if pagan did beat him down, he'd likely just elevate pagan to skyfather. /shrug

Originally posted by Stoic
Just stop the planet Earth from spinning with Hercules. I wouldn't call that nothing but we may share completely different perspectives. Originally posted by One Big Mob
What has Sunspot even done besides this feat?

If the only thing he's done besides this feat is this feat then that doesn't speak well for his history.

Originally posted by leonidas
sigh....you're not even making sense at this point but why am i surprised. mid herald? wtf are you even talking about? v&v despero IS despero and i wouldn't place him above high herald. titus?? really? THESE are the examples you hold up? stupid, one-off showings to support hulk's one-off showing? gog has WAY more showings than your unbeatable hulk does. prime? ok, ok, you're trolling. least you admit it, unlike others.

and i've already said--repeatedly, across threads--it was a good feat. BUT THAT IS ALL. that's it. nothing more than the usual villain-first-appearance hype that we see all the time. you turning hulk into some trans god over a single, inconclusive showing is idiotic and it's your constant overhype and jumping all over every little thing he does and your insistence on the use of logical fallacies like abc logic--they can spin a planet and look what hulk did to them!1!!--these are the things that give the (correct) appearance of bias.

is he stronger than other incarnations? i dunno. maybe it will be born out. beating SIMON and VISION? the scene you so desperately cling to? those are no where near enough evidence to support that conclusion. not even phukcin close.

Despero did hold up the Rock of Eternity.

That things basically its own dimension..

Loki doesn't lie.

He called himself the god of lies. There is no reason to believe him.

He's either telling the truth, proving he doesn't lie, or he's exaggerating (As Spock said), and outright admitting he's the God of Lies proves he really tells the truth.

Originally posted by leonidas
shhh, don't tell carver that. he likes the fact that hulk beat a pacifistic simon, then vision and an inconclusive showing against thor and herc better. oh and getting one-shot into orbit.

When did I bring up Simon in my post? You can't even say Thor was holding back because when she was losing, she screamed out "Hercules, it is going to take both of us". Herc literally hurt his hand punching Hulk. There isn't any way of ignoring this showing.

I said my piece. I dont forget debates Leo. I will remember this and if you do anything resembling what you are arguing against in this thread, I will use it against you. I'm always watching.

Shut it.

Wonder Man is a top tier.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/12397/1460035-764546_4da9x8.jpg_super.jpeg

Different Wonderman with a different powerset.

Originally posted by carver9
When did I bring up Simon in my post? You can't even say Thor was holding back because when she was losing, she screamed out "Hercules, it is going to take both of us". Herc literally hurt his hand punching Hulk. There isn't any way of ignoring this showing.

I said my piece. I dont forget debates Leo. I will remember this and if you do anything resembling what you are arguing against in this thread, I will use it against you. I'm always watching.





ok big brother, you go ahead and do that. the first time you see me turn into you or prep, you can go ahead and report me for a perma-ban.

Originally posted by carver9
Different Wonderman with a different powerset.

What's the new Wonder Man's powerset? It's still Simon, no? Simon Williams?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What's the new Wonder Man's powerset? It's still Simon, no? Simon Williams?

One is Ionic the other isn't.

Why is Carver once again ignoring context, twisting context and straight up lying to make his green boi Hulk look good?

https://i.imgur.com/NQTxm7E.jpg

Voyager: "The Challenger is here on Earth"
Roberto: "So he's the one making the planet crumble around us?"
Voyager: "Even an Elder couldn't break a world, Roberto -- not alone".

So there is no planet busting power available for the Challenger. We know that Sentry wields that power.
Then Hulk attacks and actually hurts the Challenger, which further indicates, that his power level isn't that high... so it's not that much of a feat for Immortal Hulk.

At the same time a weakened Sentry fought a more powerful version of the Hulk to a standstill.

Why does this thread even exist? The Void kills the Immortal Hulk. It's a mismatch even. Even Carver knows it.

Originally posted by carver9
One is Ionic the other isn't.

. Ionics powers are dependent on his mindset, no?

In addition to Enzerus comments.

what does that even mean--one is ionic and the other isn't? simon is an IONIC BEING. he is ALWAYS ionic. one form simply had the energy manifest is something like flesh... he still retained the same amount of ionic energy whether he appears to be made of energy or he appears to be made of flesh.

unless someone can actually prove differently, either form has the same strength level.