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All-Star Superman picks up his key to the Fortress of Solitude and throws it as hard as he can at the following characters individually. They are just standing in one spot and can physically brace themselves, but that's it... What happens to them?

-Surfer
-Thor
-Hulk
-Thanos
-Mangog
-Galactus

*No personal shielding of any kind... Just talking about physical durability.


The key:
https://i.imgur.com/DmIzV29.jpg

he would probably kill everything up to Thanos/Mangog. Galactus no sells it.

If the key weighs half a million tons, nothing happens.

Superman won't be able to throw it far enough to reach.

They all get KOed,Hulk gets blown apart (poss Thanos too actually).

I am basing this on Wolverine and his claws being able to pierce those guys. 500,000 tons thrown by Supes? That should be roughly the same PSI as Logan....

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
If the key weighs half a million tons, nothing happens.

Superman won't be able to throw it far enough to reach.

He's lifting it with essentially one finger and thumb (unless it's a very long key).

And casually chatting away.

^ It's the size of a normal house key.

And I think it's fair to assume that a guy who can easily press upwards of 200 QUINTILLION tons with ONE arm isn't going to have problems throwing a small object that weighs half a million tons, lol.

Yah, I realised in the first panel.

Btw, for those wondering, this is a reminder of ASM's strength level:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111174978/4778263-superman2j.jpg

Notable for having two Scots writing and drawing it. Morrison and Quitely.

Why notable?

The British 'quintillion' is much larger than the US quintillion. Much much larger.

Mangog takes it, but is injured.

Galactus takes it but is stunned a tiny bit.

Everyone else dies.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The British 'quintillion' is much larger than the US quintillion. Much much larger. Surprised to see this mentioned so rarely.

Not many people are as possessed of such a keen intellect as I.

And Grant Morrison, obviously.

The first time I ever read of this in a DC comic, it was presented as a joke in an issue that seemed to have a lot of inside jokes:

https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/38379851_image.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/38379852_image.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/38379853_image.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/38379854_image.jpg


Source: Supergirl #9
Circa: October 2006

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
The first time I ever read of this in a DC comic, it was presented as a joke in an issue that seemed to have a lot of inside jokes:

https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/38379851_image.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/38379852_image.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/38379853_image.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/38379854_image.jpg


Source: Supergirl #9
Circa: October 2006

What does that have to do with anything?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not many people are as possessed of such a keen intellect as I.

And Grant Morrison, obviously.

Grant Morrison does (or at least did) quite a few drugs:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ij20DG3axsQ

So, are you still of the opinion that he can't hurl said key far enough to hit someone?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


So, are you still of the opinion that he can't hurl said key far enough to hit someone?


I'm actually trying to track down that story or some details about it right now, for even that scan with him pressing on the machine tells us the power of ASM was tripled from what it normally apparently was.

https://i.imgur.com/95R74si.gif

Assuming that he can actually hurl it then it should go straight through just about everyone on that list.

Originally posted by Galan007
https://i.imgur.com/95R74si.gif

lmao

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'm actually trying to track down that story or some details about it right now, for even that scan with him pressing on the machine tells us the power of ASM was tripled from what it normally apparently was.



It sounds like you've never actually read/heard of this story.

Perhaps you should (am being sarcastic here so there is no doubt - you definitely should read it, in all seriousness) before you make comments like your initial post in here.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Assuming that he can actually hurl it then it should go straight through just about everyone on that list.


I was actually thinking about that, too.

It'd be like enduring the spearhead of that girl with the throwing lance, "Proxima Midnight", if I recall correctly.

Every character on the list has survived piercing wounds of that sort save Galactus, if memory serves.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I was actually thinking about that, too.

It'd be like enduring the spearhead of that girl with the throwing lance, "Proxima Midnight", if I recall correctly.

Every character on the list has survived piercing wounds of that sort save Galactus, if memory serves.

When backed up by a projectile that weighs half a million tons, and propelled by a strength that can press 200, quintillion tons casually?

After all, Wolverine has done a lot of damage with his claws, and they hardly weigh as much.

Moreover, PM's spear was more of a net when it became that heavy. Not a spear.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Assuming that he can actually hurl it then it should go straight through just about everyone on that list. Why on earth wouldn't he be able to throw the key at ridiculous velocities? He easily one-arm-pressed 400 TRILLION times the key's weight on panel.

Superman attempts to throw it with a big dynamic multiple comic book panel windup and then it just plops 2 feet in front of him showing the full background instead of the background effects.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When backed up by a projectile that weighs half a million tons, and propelled by a strength that can press 200, quintillion tons casually?



All you're telling me is that key should be REALLY good at piercing, like the point of a spear is to a normal man. Great force concentrated on one area (because the area is so small) is a nearly textbook definition of WHY piercing objects are ABLE to pierce through things.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Superman attempts to throw it with a big dynamic multiple comic book panel windup and then it just plops 2 feet in front of him showing the background instead of the effects.

OP never stated how far away they were

They're all standing two feet away. Or however far away you think he can throw it, they're always standing just close enough to get hit by it.

There, everyone's happy.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
All you're telling me is that key should be REALLY good at piercing, like the point of a spear is to a normal man. Great force concentrated on one area (because the area is so small) is a nearly textbook definition of WHY piercing objects are ABLE to pierce through things.

Not quite.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

Kinetic energy = 1/2 m v squared. It's not just piercing, but also the sheer kinetic energy being hit by a key that weighs that much being propelled by a force that high would impart.

Like when sniper bullets hit watermelons. It doesn't just go through the watermelon like a knife would. It blows it apart.

Why are we assuming Superman even knows how to throw a key when he doesn't even know how to hold a key? I've never seen someone hold a key that awkward before

He's holding it like that because he was about to throw it at Lois.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not quite.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

Kinetic energy = 1/2 m v squared. It's not just piercing, but also the sheer kinetic energy being hit by a key that weighs that much being propelled by a force that high would impart.

Like when sniper bullets hit watermelons. It doesn't just go through the watermelon like a knife would. It blows it apart.

By this reasoning, Flash and Zoom using their near-infinite mass punches should have resulted in several dead herald-level opponents.

Interestingly enough, a translation of these 2 scenes (Supergirl #9, along with whatever All Star Superman issue that is) was included in the first season of the Supergirl TV show, where Kara first visits the Fortress of Solitude with James Olsen in tow ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gIZrqdhoqb0

Nice to know where these ideas originate from once in a while, so credit can be given to their creators.

smh....BWR going full chaotic retard in here. good times. stay classy kmc

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
By this reasoning, Flash and Zoom using their near-infinite mass punches should have resulted in several dead herald-level opponents.

Zoom doesn't have an IMP. As his mass is not infinite (or approaching infinity).

Not that it's been explained.

However, using that as a crutch (i.e. PIS) isn't admissible here.

If we accept that Flash is punching at near infinite mass levels (as seen on panel), and that Superman's key DOES weigh half a million tons (as seen on panel), then either their targets have durability/shields/whatever protecting them, or it's PIS that they survived/tank it.

And as some of the these guys DON'T have that durability (Wolverine), and as PIS is inadmissible.....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


If we accept that Flash is punching at near infinite mass levels (as seen on panel), and that Superman's key DOES weigh half a million tons (as seen on panel), then either their targets have durability/shields/whatever protecting them, or it's PIS that they survived/tank it.

And as some of the these guys DON'T have that durability (Wolverine), and as PIS is inadmissible.....



Check the original poster's (OP's) list.
Wolverine is not one of the targets mentioned:

Originally posted by Galan007

-Surfer
-Thor
-Hulk
-Thanos
-Mangog
-Galactus



All of Galan's choices are herald class or above and have taken hits of tremendous weight and velocity, some piercing, and tanked, endured, survived and/or recovered from them.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Check the original poster's (OP's) list.
Wolverine is not one of the targets mentioned:



All of Galan's choices are herald class or above and have taken hits of tremendous weight and velocity, some piercing, and tanked, endured, survived and/or recovered from them.

Check my initial post


Wolverine has pierced them before, despite not going particularly fast, or having much strength/mass behind his stabs (compared to 200 quintillion tons, or half a million tons).

As you have pointed out, and I have pointed out in my post, that piercing is analogous to being hit by a small key with that strength level behind it.

Has anyone ever said you were autistic, bwr? Not being mean or anything, as it is a serious condition, but has anyone ever commented on that aspect of you?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
smh....BWR going full chaotic retard in here. good times. stay classy kmc


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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yah, I realised in the first panel.

Btw, for those wondering, this is a reminder of ASM's strength level:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111174978/4778263-superman2j.jpg

Notable for having two Scots writing and drawing it. Morrison and Quitely.

Why notable?

The British 'quintillion' is much larger than the US quintillion. Much much larger.

Heh! Good point. Never thought of that

Originally posted by -K-M-
Heh! Good point. Never thought of that

It makes things crazy.

200 British quintillion tons is like the mass of the largest known star in existence. That's not even the Sun, that's like a hundred of our Suns.

And that's one handed, casually. That's probably why people don't bring it up.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's holding it like that because he was about to throw it at Lois.

this killed me lmao

Searched Wikipedia. The original ASM scene is featured in the 2nd issue of that series.

Interesting to note the writers for Kara's show double the weight of the All-Star Superman key AND have a 3rd party say Kara's faster than Superman.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gIZrqdhoqb0

Source: Supergirl, Season 1, Episode 15
Circa: 2015-2016 Season



Anyway, I like what that ASM scene inspired.
That was pretty cool to watch on the show.

It kills everyone here except Galactus. think even galactus would be royally ****ed up though.

What about the same key throw v.s. Captain Americas shield and Logan's skeleton?

Originally posted by Galan007
https://i.imgur.com/95R74si.gif

Bro, why are surprise? This is KMC!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yah, I realised in the first panel.

Btw, for those wondering, this is a reminder of ASM's strength level:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111174978/4778263-superman2j.jpg

Notable for having two Scots writing and drawing it. Morrison and Quitely.

Why notable?

The British 'quintillion' is much larger than the US quintillion. Much much larger. Didn't he also physically push a moving and sentient planet through a wormhole? Been years since I read the comic.

He punched it, i think.

https://m.imgur.com/mOKFsQN

Originally posted by NemeBro
Didn't he also physically push a moving and sentient planet through a wormhole? Been years since I read the comic. https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38390554_All_Star_Superman_007-016.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38390555_All_Star_Superman_007-017.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38390556_All_Star_Superman_007-018.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


Proxima Midnight's spear was more of a net when it became that heavy. Not a spear.

https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38406831_image.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38406832_image.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38406833_image.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38406834_image.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38406837_image.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38406838_image.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38406839_image.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38406840_image.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38406841_image.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38406844_image.jpg

Exactly.

Unless you want to say Spectrum has solar level strength, your scans are meaningless.

Hardly meaningless.

However, if you want something that IS said to be on that level ...

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38407404_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38407405_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38407406_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38407407_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38407408_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38407409_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38407410_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38407411_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38407412_image.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/38407413_image.jpg

Source: Infinity #6
Date: November 27, 2013

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Moreover, PM's spear was more of a net when it became that heavy. Not a spear.

As I said earlier, it was a net, not a spear head.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As I said earlier, it was a net, not a spear head.

Not familiar with the use of figurative language, or you just don't think the other participants in this forum are?

Literal, too.

You can literally see it as a black swirly webbing covering Hulk. When before it was a shaft of light.

So, as I said, when it was that weight, it was a net.

Why do sharp objects cut or penetrate a surface?
It's all about pressure.
Pressure = Force / Area

A sharp object has a very small cross sectional area, so it will apply a much larger pressure, under a given force, than an object with a much larger area.
In other words, it has a greater cutting potential.

The key can either hit the contestants on its flat side or its thin side. The difference in pressure would be tens of times different.

But assuming the flat side then the pressure would be astronomical because of the sheer force.


With that said, the ground would not only have to be durable as shit but the coefficient of friction on Superman's feet has to be astronomical (unless he is flying as he throws it).

If your using everyone here at there best, the key would just fling a lot of them back... that's looking at the things their hide has withstood. Thor shot by Celestials without damage. Hulk withstanding an ongoing bite that was capable of crushing adamantium. Surfer hit by a big bang. Etc...

Majority of them withstand this.

Originally posted by Galan007
All-Star Superman picks up his key to the Fortress of Solitude and throws it as hard as he can at the following characters individually. They are just standing in one spot and can physically brace themselves, but that's it... What happens to them?

-Surfer
-Thor
-Hulk
-Thanos
-Mangog
-Galactus

*No personal shielding of any kind... Just talking about physical durability.


The key:
https://i.imgur.com/DmIzV29.jpg

Why "wouldn't" a key you can put in your pocket be safer?

Safest place to leave a key is not to leave a key.

he puts a literal hole in everyone of theses guys,.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
OP never stated how far away they were

They're all standing two feet away. Or however far away you think he can throw it, they're always standing just close enough to get hit by it.

There, everyone's happy.


I assumed 10-15 feet away. Same room type of setting.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
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IMO it cuts through everyone.

Originally posted by carver9

Majority of them withstand this.

Originally posted by carver9
If your using everyone here at there best, the key would just fling a lot of them back... that's looking at the things their hide has withstood. Thor shot by Celestials without damage. Hulk withstanding an ongoing bite that was capable of crushing adamantium. Surfer hit by a big bang. Etc...

Majority of them withstand this.

Oh NOW we go by highest showings???

I mean, I'm ok with this because I try (sometimes fail) to be consistent, but you're the one always bleating on about averages.

How do they stand up to Wolverine? Let's ignore cheese feats ;-) battle feats are better.

In combat against Wolverine, who is far weaker than ASM, astronomically weaker, in fact...would he just bounce off?

from that list,only galactus wont feel anything,meanwhile hulk and thor get serious inpact.

Originally posted by carver9
If your using everyone here at there best, the key would just fling a lot of them back... that's looking at the things their hide has withstood. Thor shot by Celestials without damage. Hulk withstanding an ongoing bite that was capable of crushing adamantium. Surfer hit by a big bang. Etc...

Majority of them withstand this.
A showing against a more powerful character can be looked at in two different ways. A high showing for weaker character or a low showing for the more powerful character.


How do you know that the Celestials blasted Thor with a force greater than the thrown key? And that is assuming that we can equate blunt force with energy beams (which has more burning power than concussive power).

How do you know that adamantium of any size can withstand the key throw as well?
How do you know what is the maximum thickness of adamantium the dogs could crush?

Surfer hit by a Big Bang? Scans? I am definitely eager to see this.

If Superman can exert (casually) more than 400 trillion times the weight of that key then he is throwing it at insane speeds to produce unimaginable pressure.
You would be hard pressed to prove that any of these characters tanked such pressures on their high end.

Superman refuses to throw his key at the listed characters, because it would kill everyone on the list.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh NOW we go by highest showings???

I mean, I'm ok with this because I try (sometimes fail) to be consistent, but you're the one always bleating on about averages.

How do they stand up to Wolverine? Let's ignore cheese feats ;-) battle feats are better.

In combat against Wolverine, who is far weaker than ASM, astronomically weaker, in fact...would he just bounce off?

You looked over an important word in my post... it has become a common thing due to people always trying to find comebacks or ways to bash instead of just reading. I said IF we are using this, not IS. Also, Wolverine claws are unique. Wolverine claws have been described as being able to slice an atom in half. It is the sharpest weapon in comics, period. Also, there have been times where Wolverine claws have failed to cut the Hulk. It all depends on how pissed he is tbh. It doesn't matter since this key does not equal or isn't the same as being hit by Wolverine claws.

What do you think sharpness is?

And I agree. IF AS Superman gets to sundip for 10,0000 years (lol), and then throws his key several times after being lent speed by Flash (lol) and these guys are ..... wait,you're saying I'm adding stuff that isn't there? Oh, sorry.....

Unless All-Star Superman (it won't do to use his unfortunate acronym here) is specifically targeting these guys with head shots and intent to kill, even the weakest should survive. All of these are extremely durable individuals with records of surviving tremendous damage, due to either extreme damage soak ability, alien physiology, cosmic energy, healing factor, or some combination of these traits. Only in comics written by Kirkman would I be willing to entertain the watermelon physics DS proposed, especially given the kind of damage I've seen some of them sustain and keep functioning with.
Good case in point is Hulk, not only with Proxima's star-weighted spear, but earlier in battle against Zom, a powerful Dr.Strange-summoned demon who literally punched football-sized holes in Hulk's torso:

https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38428164_image.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38428165_image.jpg

Source: World War Hulk #4
Circa: 2007

Thor recently caught a large city made entirely out of gold skyscrapers and all and then threw it in the sun. Thor catches it.
Any of these guys could catch it. This is low end stuff.The only variable is how fast Supes throws it and how strong is the keys material.

At worst they get a single shrapnel injury akin to a frag wound. Unless he is specifically aiming at their eye. And they could damage soak that.

Everyone here can pick the key up. This may be a feat for some new herald or mid brick but it's low end when you get up to these guys level

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Unless All-Star Superman (it won't do to use his unfortunate acronym here) is specifically targeting these guys with head shots and intent to kill, even the weakest should survive. All of these are extremely durable individuals with records of surviving tremendous damage, due to either extreme damage soak ability, alien physiology, cosmic energy, healing factor, or some combination of these traits. Only in comics written by Kirkman would I be willing to entertain the watermelon physics DS proposed, especially given the kind of damage I've seen some of them sustain and keep functioning with.
Good case in point is Hulk, not only with Proxima's star-weighted spear, but earlier in battle against Zom, a powerful Dr.Strange-summoned demon who literally punched football-sized holes in Hulk's torso:

https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38428164_image.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38428165_image.jpg

Source: World War Hulk #4
Circa: 2007
You just can't state shit without QUANTIFIABLE proof.

Superman is throwing a half million ton key at a force of 400 trillion times the weight of the key.

You have to provide feats in Which a character has tanked such forces or pressures. Stating that Zom punched holes through Hulk does not prove that Zom punched with more force than the key will be thrown at.

Originally posted by h1a8
With that said, the ground would not only have to be durable as shit but the coefficient of friction on Superman's feet has to be astronomical (unless he is flying as he throws it). Assume the floor is made of the same material found in Professor Quintum's lab... The same material that didn't even crack when Supes was exerting upwards of 200 QUINTILLION tons of force:

http://i.imgur.com/exOofRMl.jpg

What is the difference between the weight of earth vs 200 quintillion tons?

Originally posted by carver9
What is the difference between the weight of earth vs 200 quintillion tons? 200 quintillions as defined in UK are the equivalent of approximately all of the mass in our entire solar system, times 100, give or take.

I was close

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I was close I made a slight mistake.

I forgot to transform from tons to kg.

So it's more like 100000 times the mass of our entire solar system.

Holy crap.

Ok. Now the U.S. What's the difference between both weights?

Originally posted by carver9
Ok. Now the U.S. What's the difference between both weights? The writer and artist are both from UK.

But if you want to know side-calculations, surely even somebody on your level can multiply, no?

About 33x the mass of earth, I believe

Earth is 6 with 24 zeroes
Superman lifted either 200 with 24 or 30 zeroes

That's just strength.

You also need to take into account a projectile with the mass of half a million tons barrelling towards you.

Put it this way, none of the guys listed have ever faced anything quite like it, and have been pierced by less.

Lol at using WWH though.

lol at marvel and their weak ass characters

Originally posted by carver9
Ok. Now the U.S. What's the difference between both weights? Earth weighs ~6 sextillion tons. That's ~600 quintillion tons.

IOW, All-Star Superman CASUALLY pressed upwards of 1/3 the earth's weight with ONE arm. Just imagine what he could do in an 'all-out' setting, like the vs. forum.

Get 6/10 against the Hulk?

Only if you're a complete f*cktard?

Seems to be the majority opinion though.

Hulk will hit him somehow.

Pr and Leo's words, not mine.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2KTS8PQ06Qo
36 second to 47 second mark, while the link lasts

Grey Hulk/Mr. Fixit, traditionally regarded as the weakest incarnation of the Hulk, nevertheless possessed the durability to survive, virtually unscathed, a collision with an asteroid twice the size of Earth that would have destroyed Earth:

https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/38434971_image.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/38434973_image.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/38434974_image.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/38434975_image.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/38434976_image.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/38434978_image.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/38434979_image.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/38434980_image.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/38434982_image.jpg

Source: Marvel Comics Presents #52
Circa: 1990

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2KTS8PQ06Qo
36 second to 47 second mark, while the link lasts

What, how many times a musket could fire in a minute?

Originally posted by cdtm
What, how many times a musket could fire in a minute?


Nice try!

But the time stamp I gave defeats that attempt.

It is 6000, yes.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Grey Hulk/Mr. Fixit, traditionally regarded as the weakest incarnation of the Hulk, nevertheless possessed the durability to survive, virtually unscathed, a collision with an asteroid twice the size of Earth that would have destroyed Earth:

Source: Marvel Comics Presents #52
Circa: 1990

So, still nothing.

And the musket video is...well, proves my point. The damage that the 0.5million ton key, thrown at speeds by a strength that can casually press 200 quintillion tons, would be far above anything seen by these guys.

AND would be concentrated in a small area. Your scans show how the Hulk, whose force was concentrated in his fist, was able to blow an asteroid twice the size of Earth apart.

Scale that. Use that exact same logic. Except instead of an asteroid, it's the Hulk, and instead of a fist, it's a key.

So the Hulk gets blown apart, like that asteroid in your scans. So I guess you're not posting completely irrelevant scans, as they prove my point.

So are you mildly/very autistic?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Metric units are 'official' as well - people still use imperial units here.

For example, when I started working, people still used 'billion' to mean a million million. Confusing.

We get that, too. People use english here for height/thickness and weight.

But use metric for most everything else.

We use short scale numbers, tho.

Be it as it may, it is far more likely that the writer would use the standardized numerical scale system in his writing. Especially since it is also the main system of measurement for the target audience of his book (I'm guessing americans?).

I think DS was just phukkin with Carvster.


Anyways, the key should go through everybody listed. Cept maybe G? Maybe...

Originally posted by Galan007
Earth weighs ~6 sextillion tons. That's ~600 quintillion tons.

IOW, All-Star Superman CASUALLY pressed upwards of 1/3 the earth's weight with ONE arm. Just imagine what he could do in an 'all-out' setting, like the vs. forum.

Thanks Galan.

I cant quote Nib but thanks for the info bro. Highly intelligent people here on KMC. With that said, that strength ft isnt that impressive when we look at what being like Hulk and Thor has accomplished. In regards to durability, at their highest or above average, a lot of those people on that list would survive it just fine. They'll get thrown back but they will be ok.

Originally posted by carver9
I cant quote Nib but thanks for the info bro. Highly intelligent people here on KMC. With that said, that strength ft isnt that impressive when we look at what being like Hulk and Thor has accomplished. In regards to durability, at their highest or above average, a lot of those people on that list would survive it just fine. They'll get thrown back but they will be ok.
What about Superman at his highest?

Originally posted by carver9
I cant quote Nib but thanks for the info bro. Highly intelligent people here on KMC. With that said, that strength ft isnt that impressive when we look at what being like Hulk and Thor has accomplished. In regards to durability, at their highest or above average, a lot of those people on that list would survive it just fine. They'll get thrown back but they will be ok.

Not sure how you can say that with any degree of certainty, to be honest.

Originally posted by carver9
I cant quote Nib but thanks for the info bro. Highly intelligent people here on KMC. With that said, that strength ft isnt that impressive when we look at what being like Hulk and Thor has accomplished. In regards to durability, at their highest or above average, a lot of those people on that list would survive it just fine. They'll get thrown back but they will be ok. I know you're much more of a Carver than a lifter, but overhead pressing is hard. I think it's something like 99 (point 9) percent of lifters will never ohp 2 plates (225 pounds) in their lives. Think of how much less that is than what the other lifts you hear about. A common Carver like you. Someone who has argued that flight and the like aide the other people's already extraordinary strength.

Pick any strength feat you want, and I guarantee it had more to it than deltoids and triceps (along with biceps and core for stabilizers).

And then you also have to realize it's not relying on unquantifiable masses to make an impression, it's using very real numbers. He moved this amount of weight, so he can move however much much using his entire body, and so on.

And that's one hand. From the position he was in, I wouldn't say two hands would double the weight, but it wouldn't be too far below either. Seems like more of a landmine press than a dumbell press. Either way, he didn't seem to be struggling too hard.

This would be a lot better strength feat imo than Superman bench pressing the Earth... if Lobdell understood how absolutely stupid it is for Superman to be benching for five days. People shouldn't write things they don't understand at all.
Either way, I'd put it above simply moving planetary mass, without factoring in sun gravity and shit like that.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
I know you're much more of a Carver than a lifter, but overhead pressing is hard. I think it's something like 99 (point 9) percent of lifters will never ohp 2 plates (225 pounds) in their lives. Think of how much less that is than what the other lifts you hear about. A common Carver like you. Someone who has argued that flight and the like aide the other people's already extraordinary strength.

Pick any strength feat you want, and I guarantee it had more to it than deltoids and triceps (along with biceps and core for stabilizers).

And then you also have to realize it's not relying on unquantifiable masses to make an impression, it's using very real numbers. He moved this amount of weight, so he can move however much much using his entire body, and so on.

And that's one hand. From the position he was in, I wouldn't say two hands would double the weight, but it wouldn't be too far below either. Seems like more of a landmine press than a dumbell press. Either way, he didn't seem to be struggling too hard.

This would be a lot better strength feat imo than Superman bench pressing the Earth... if Lobdell understood how absolutely stupid it is for Superman to be benching for five days. People shouldn't write things they don't understand at all.
Either way, I'd put it above simply moving planetary mass, without factoring in sun gravity and shit like that.

I see it as a landmine press, so to be generous, was prepared to say a normal human could do what, 60kg? 130lb?

A normal human could also throw a baseball (or key) around 90mph. So was going to scale off that.

You can also see him push the machine in the next panel so hard, it seems to be destroyed .

http://i.imgur.com/exOofRMl.jpg

The same machine that was withstanding 200 quintillion tons counter-force just fine.

Originally posted by carver9
I cant quote Nib but thanks for the info bro. Highly intelligent people here on KMC. With that said, that strength ft isnt that impressive when we look at what being like Hulk and Thor has accomplished. In regards to durability, at their highest or above average, a lot of those people on that list would survive it just fine. They'll get thrown back but they will be ok.

I don't think Hulk or Thor has any quantifiable feat comparable to casually lifting 200 quintillion tons with one arm.


With that said, imagine a billion ton mountain resting on a lying Hulk or Thor in such a way that the part that's in contact with them is the size of a key.

We clearly see that both would be penetrated easily. This thread is about a force that is astronomically greater.

Also, those feats are AS Superman's average feats. He has no showings that contradict them. You have to use average showings for any of these characters. Otherwise, characters like Thing shouldn't be able to make either feel anything with his punches.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I see it as a landmine press, so to be generous, was prepared to say a normal human could do what, 60kg? 130lb?

A normal human could also throw a baseball (or key) around 90mph. So was going to scale off that. No. Normal people are weak. Some lifters can't do a plate, and some people can't even do the bar.
You remember the Seinfeld episode when Elaine bragged up George because he could lift 100 pounds over his head? Think that and go lower.
95 pounds is more than generous I think.

Landmine pressing is weird though. I'd have to try it out again, but I know my one hand pressing was comparable or a little less than pressing from the chest with two hands. Which is probably because I'm scared of putting more than 3 plates on the bar and knocking all of my face off in a slip. When I get home in a couple days I'll try some different stuff out and see how it compares.

Send us the video

Wear a Hulk mask.

I have a video of me ohp'ing 185 in a massive Stormtrooper helmet actually from over a year ago. The helmet is so big you'd have to be out of your mind to try it

Landmine is legit terrifying though. I wouldn't **** around with it. Though the helmet might help when it smashes into my face

Landmines are easier for me, just from a flexibility point of view. Uses chest muscles as well, depending on the angle. Could do 90kg at one point.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Landmines are easier for me, just from a flexibility point of view. Uses chest muscles as well, depending on the angle. Could do 90kg at one point. Nice.

I still need to get rid of some shit in my garage before I give it a good go just so I can try and go backwards if it goes bad. One handed is fine, I'm scared it's going to come out of my clasped hands in the two handed. It seems like the equivalent of suicide grip to me.

https://thumb1.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/1357345/125593877/stock-photo-hands-clasped-together-for-a-prayer-125593877.jpg

Edit: you have more experience with it than me. What is your ratio of one handed to two handed landmine?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I see it as a landmine press, so to be generous, was prepared to say a normal human could do what, 60kg? 130lb?

A normal human could also throw a baseball (or key) around 90mph. So was going to scale off that. Except no human that I know of can press 400 TRILLION times the weight of the baseball(unless we're talking about bran making those creepy masturbation 'workout vids' of his.)

That's what I don't think some people here are understanding... Supes would be able to throw this thing at absurd velocities.

Originally posted by Galan007
Except no human that I know of can press 400 TRILLION times the weight of the baseball(unless we're talking about bran making those creepy masturbation 'workout vids' of his.)

That's what I don't think some people here are understanding... Supes would be able to throw this thing at absurd velocities. All of this is true.

However, I think DS was just trying to get a baseline down for it, and I'm curious where he winds up with it.

I'd say the numbers he uses are his ratio of landmine pressing (just to put the weight in perspective if Superman used both hands), 95 pounds and 70-80 mph for the totally average human. That way we can see the absolute minimum of how to view the feat to present it to Carv and the Carving Gang.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
All of this is true.

However, I think DS was just trying to get a baseline down for it, and I'm curious where he winds up with it.

I'd say the numbers he uses are his ratio of landmine pressing (just to put the weight in perspective if Superman used both hands), 95 pounds and 70-80 mph for the totally average human. That way we can see the absolute minimum of how to view the feat to present it to Carv and the Carving Gang.

Basically.

We have never seen ASM actually throw the key - so am having to use ratios.

43kg (95lbs) to 200 quintillion tons - is the speed factor to multiply 75mph by (roughly).

Kinetic energy = 1/2 x mass x velocity squared. That's what will be hitting the contestants here.

Now, people might say 'this is comics, you can't use RL physics' - but we don't have an actual comic showing of ASM throwing his key.

Of course, Morrison didn't give a hoot about RL physics. So we could prob end up with something absolutely insane.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What about Superman at his highest?

Superman can survive it as well.

All of this totally depends where Superman throws the key at. If he is aiming for the heads or hearts of his opponents, then it would be a totally different outcome than if he was aiming for their shoulders or legs.

I mean, the key would pretty much be like a bullet. That size combined with that speed, it should simply pass through the majority of the people on the list. The question is just how it would affect them. I guess it also depends on if the key would rotate, because that would overall increase the size of the projectile and the damage it does.

Originally posted by Galan007

-Surfer

The key pierces his body, no matter where it's thrown at. Surfer regenerates any area that is not his brain / heart.
But this is probably the trickiest one. Surfer is all over the place, when it comes to durability / regeneration / nigh-immortality. Judging by his Thanos showings, he should die from getting his brain or heart pierced, no matter if he actually has these organs or not. I would have argued, that he hasn't, but why would Thanos then be able to beat him to near death? Why would Thanos be able to stab Surfer through the chest and pierce his head on Mjolnir, ultimately killing him in the process?
So yeah, if the key goes through his brain / heart, he dies.

Originally posted by Galan007

-Thor

Dies from getting his brain pierced.
MIGHT survive getting his heart pierces, but that would take him out for a very long time until he recovered back from it. He was fighting Silver Surfer, while some of his organs were turned into glass or something.
Survives everything else and recovers in time.

Originally posted by Galan007

-Hulk

Survives everything. Anything non-brain / non-heart affected would heal pretty quickly. Brain and heart might take a while, but I don't think it would really stop the Hulk. If I remember correctly, Bruce Banner has already tried commiting suicide by shooting a bullet in his head. But he simply transformed into the Hulk afterwards and spit the bullet out.

Originally posted by Galan007

-Thanos

Not sure at which point Thanos is at right now, when it comes to immortality and all those things... but if it's a Thanos, who can die... then having his brain pierced might be the only thing to stop him. A pierced heart would slow him down for sure, but he would heal from it in time. Brain however? That's a toss up. He simply doesn't have Hulks healing factor. I dunno.

Originally posted by Galan007

-Mangog

No idea.

Originally posted by Galan007

-Galactus

Nothing happens. Even if I entertain the idea of Galactus getting pierced by the key, he would simply regenerate back and flick Superman into oblivion.

Have you ever seen a bullet hit a watermelon? It doesn't just pierce it.

The entire thing explodes.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Basically.

We have never seen ASM actually throw the key - so am having to use ratios.

43kg (95lbs) to 200 quintillion tons - is the speed factor to multiply 75mph by (roughly).

Kinetic energy = 1/2 x mass x velocity squared. That's what will be hitting the contestants here.

Now, people might say 'this is comics, you can't use RL physics' - but we don't have an actual comic showing of ASM throwing his key.

Of course, Morrison didn't give a hoot about RL physics. So we could prob end up with something absolutely insane. So I did it, and the strike would have aprox. the energy to destroy 1,000,000 solar systems. Concentrated into one spot.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Have you ever seen a bullet hit a watermelon? It doesn't just pierce it.

The entire thing explodes.

This is true but you cant compare a bullet and a watermelon with beings that have withstood attacks from abstracts, skyfathers and transtier beings. The comparison just doesn't match. You should probably stick with the Wolverine argument.

Originally posted by carver9
This is true but you cant compare a bullet and a watermelon with beings that have withstood attacks from abstracts, skyfathers and transtier beings. The comparison just doesn't match. You should probably stick with the Wolverine argument. Kinetic energy is kinetic energy.

Or better yet, for you to understand, think of it as "Hulk is Hulk".

Originally posted by carver9
This is true but you cant compare a bullet and a watermelon with beings that have withstood attacks from abstracts, skyfathers and transtier beings. The comparison just doesn't match. You should probably stick with the Wolverine argument.

But we don't know how the key would affect these guys. There is literally nothing in comics which compares.

So we have to default to RL analogies and comparisons.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
All of this is true.

However, I think DS was just trying to get a baseline down for it, and I'm curious where he winds up with it.

I'd say the numbers he uses are his ratio of landmine pressing (just to put the weight in perspective if Superman used both hands), 95 pounds and 70-80 mph for the totally average human. That way we can see the absolute minimum of how to view the feat to present it to Carv and the Carving Gang.

Hm. Not getting how you came upon and managed to relate the numbers here.

The logic of your scaling postulates that ASS's speed scales directly proportional to his strength. Has that been established? Super powers are kinda wonky (and I'm certainly not an expert), so I wouldn't be surprised so correct me if I am wrong.

Otherwise, wouldn't we need to assume that his strength and speed's levels are independent of each other and should not be quantified thru direct scaling from human levels?

As someone who can lift 200 quint tons a 500k ton key would weigh no more than a dust mote to him. But the speed to which he can throw the key would still cap out at the maximum speed he can move his arm. And even then, it should still cap out at below light speed (if we follow physics, that is, but since comics throws out physics on a regular basis, feel free to ignore this).

Seeing as Superman could move his hands at retarded speeds as well, I have no doubt that number reached would still be more or less crazy, however.

In comics, the stronger you are, the harder you can throw. Same way with punching.

It doesn't follow RL stuff.

Which means you can pretty much give any answer you want here.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
we have to default to RL analogies and comparisons.


There's not much to support your premise, but, even if you chose to go the "real life" route, you probably wouldn't get the result you seem to support.

I noted this paragraph even of the kinectic link
you gave:

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During the Vietnam War, there was limited use of the Lazy Dog bomb, a steel projectile shaped like a conventional bomb but only about 25.4 mm (1" long and 9.525 mm (3/8" diameter. A piece of sheet metal was folded to make the fins and welded to the rear of the projectile. These were dumped from aircraft onto enemy troops and had the same effect as a machine gun fired vertically. Observers visiting a battlefield after an attack said it looked like the ground had been 'tenderized' using a gigantic fork. Bodies had been penetrated longitudinally from shoulder to lower abdomen.
---



Penetrated.


Not exploded.

Yeah, physics is wonky in comics. Hard to figure these things out. How is the throw speed normally scaled? Is it directly and equally proportional like, can non-speeders with planetary strength throw things at near-light speeds? Wouldn't that mean that throwing things would be the most effective attack a super strength character could have (since if strength = throw speed then accelerating a heavy object would generate force equivalent to the mass amplified by speed) not to mention it would be quite undodgeable since it would be equal to his strength?

Ouch, makes my head hurt.

Since comics are so wonky with physics wouldn't max throw speed (especially those that would quite literally create strange physics-defying numbers) need to be "feat-based"?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
There's not much to support your premise, but, even if you chose to go the "real life" route, you probably wouldn't get the result you seem to support.

I noted this paragraph even of the kinectic link
you gave:

---

During the Vietnam War, there was limited use of the Lazy Dog bomb, a steel projectile shaped like a conventional bomb but only about 25.4 mm (1" long and 9.525 mm (3/8" diameter. A piece of sheet metal was folded to make the fins and welded to the rear of the projectile. These were dumped from aircraft onto enemy troops and had the same effect as a machine gun fired vertically. Observers visiting a battlefield after an attack said it looked like the ground had been 'tenderized' using a gigantic fork. Bodies had been penetrated longitudinally from shoulder to lower abdomen.
---




There you go.

Of course, had you read on a little further...



But hey, you never underestimate the value of selective reading, right?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yeah, physics is wonky in comics. Hard to figure these things out. How is the throw speed normally scaled? Is it directly and equally proportional like, can non-speeders with planetary strength throw things at near-light speeds? Wouldn't that mean that throwing things would be the most effective attack a super strength character could have (since if strength = throw speed then accelerating a heavy object would generate force equivalent to the mass amplified by speed) not to mention it would be quite undodgeable since it would be equal to his strength?

Ouch, makes my head hurt.

Since comics are so wonky with physics wouldn't max throw speed (especially those that would quite literally create strange physics-defying numbers) need to be "feat-based"? I would apply "the stronger you are, the harder your punch is" to this, too. It's almost the same principle. So I think Darksaint's "how much stronger than a human?" scaling works to get a general idea.

I don't see, for example, Gladiator as being shown to throw something harder than the Hulk, even if physics says he should . Super-strength in comics has a...speed-force like behaviour.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yeah, physics is wonky in comics. Hard to figure these things out. How is the throw speed normally scaled? Is it directly and equally proportional like, can non-speeders with planetary strength throw things at near-light speeds? Wouldn't that mean that throwing things would be the most effective attack a super strength character could have (since if strength = throw speed then accelerating a heavy object would generate force equivalent to the mass amplified by speed) not to mention it would be quite undodgeable since it would be equal to his strength?

Ouch, makes my head hurt.

Since comics are so wonky with physics wouldn't max throw speed (especially those that would quite literally create strange physics-defying numbers) need to be "feat-based"?

Well we know that he has the strength to make 0.5 million ton (and remember, he did this with his fingers (which aid a lot in throwing)) key look like nothing.

And was able to casually press with one hand, 200 quintillion tons.

But mostly, he was lifting that key casually like you or I would lift a normal key. Hence my use of scaling.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Nice.

I still need to get rid of some shit in my garage before I give it a good go just so I can try and go backwards if it goes bad. One handed is fine, I'm scared it's going to come out of my clasped hands in the two handed. It seems like the equivalent of suicide grip to me.

https://thumb1.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/1357345/125593877/stock-photo-hands-clasped-together-for-a-prayer-125593877.jpg

Edit: you have more experience with it than me. What is your ratio of one handed to two handed landmine?

Just saw this.

My ratio is nowhere near double. The balance, the small muscles needed, the core etc means that I can't just do 180kg. It was more like 1.5 times.

And even then, my legs had to be staggered.

Quote is broken.

To: Philo

I guess the difference between a comic-punch and comic-throw would be that (even tho it doesn't make sense physics-wise) that the super-force of the punch could be due to the "mass" generated by the super-strength. I know it doesn't really work that way, but I guess writers could use that to form some kind of plausible logical consistency to explain the force behind the punch (w/c would sometimes be portrayed to be at speeds that is still very dodgeable by even normal-speed people). Again, practically impossible to consistently apply any kind of RL physics to comics, so I guess I should just give up. :P

To: DS

I just feel that directly scaling strength to speed is quite a leap. Since there should be no relationship between the level of strength superman (unless, of course, there is and I don't know about it, feel free to correct me). Unless, of course the strength-to-speed direct conversion scaling is an established rule/standard here in these forums (don't really come here often, but movie forums is d-e-a-d these days).

Edit. Anyway, bedtime. Later all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
you never underestimate the value of selective reading, right?

I'm not in the habit of forgetting who I'm talking to, either.
Or the kind of forum this is.

Point of fact, with the Hulk we're talking about a being who has withstood small nuclear bombs, and with the Silver Surfer, one who has done that AND survived dives into stars. The members of what we call the "herald" class here at KMC are actually somewhat practiced in impossible feats of durability like that, and, where they can't entirely shrug off damage, tend to be good at miraculous healing or fast recovery as well.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Quote is broken.

To: Philo

I guess the difference between a comic-punch and comic-throw would be that (even tho it doesn't make sense physics-wise) that the super-force of the punch could be due to the "mass" generated by the super-strength. I know it doesn't really work that way, but I guess writers could use that to form some kind of plausible logical consistency to explain the force behind the punch (w/c would sometimes be portrayed to be at speeds that is still very dodgeable by even normal-speed people). Again, practically impossible to consistently apply any kind of RL physics to comics, so I guess I should just give up. :P Yeah, it's pretty weird to analyze stuff like this. I mean, technically, the key should probably melt the moment it even leaves Superman's hand, given the speed it would leave his hand at. Not to mention the impact would literally tear space/time apart, never mind the character getting hit by it..

You should visit the Superman vs Goku thread in Anime Vs.

Either side of the equation, you'd have a field day there.

Originally posted by cdtm
You should visit the Superman vs Goku thread in Anime Vs.

Either side of the equation, you'd have a field day there. like please

Was talking to Darksaint.

Even if he had no interest or knowledge of Dragon Ball, I'd pay to see him debate there.

But go to the forum lobby, enter anime/manga, and then vs. At work, with crappy wifi at the moment or I'd get the link..

OMG! you mean on KMC???
I just saw

Originally posted by cdtm
You should visit the Superman vs Goku thread in Anime Vs.

Either side of the equation, you'd have a field day there.

Even though Phil and myself disagree with a lot, he have a very high opinion of Goku and friends. I think iirc he was one of the ones that said Namek saga Frieza would stomp Thanos.

Originally posted by carver9
Even though Phil and myself disagree with a lot, he have a very high opinion of Goku and friends. I think iirc he was one of the ones that said Namek saga Frieza would stomp Thanos.

Frieza beat Thanos? Lol no. Mystical TP would doom Frieza.

Originally posted by Stoic
Frieza beat Thanos? Lol no. Mystical TP would doom Frieza.

Before getting blitzed and comboed to ko? I highly disagree. Anyways, that is a topic that doesn't need to be discussed here.

Originally posted by carver9
Before getting blitzed and comboed to ko? I highly disagree. Anyways, that is a topic that doesn't need to be discussed here.

Comboed? Frieza would never even hit him. Thanos would place him in a force prison take over his mind and kill him. DBZ is funny that way. Most of the characters have huge weaknesses to exploit by certain characters. Thanos is one of those characters. Anyway let's not derail the thread.

Average force is directly proportion to average acceleration. Therefore, under a constant (or average) net force, force is directly proportional to the square of velocity.


So linear ratios don't work.

Basically it should go like this
F1= k*V1^2
F2= k*V2^2

Divide the equations to get
(V1/V2) ^2 = F1/F2
Or V1 = V2*sqrt(F1/F2)

So the estimates of velocity should be actually LESS than what is given.

If we assume relativity then although the velocity wouldn't get higher than light speed the mass would increase where it would compensate for the velocity loss. So the kinetic energy assuming relativity would be the same as not assuming it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Average force is directly proportion to average acceleration. Therefore, under a constant (or average) net force, force is directly proportional to the square of velocity.


So linear ratios don't work.

Basically it should go like this
F1= k*V1^2
F2= k*V2^2

Divide the equations to get
(V1/V2) ^2 = F1/F2
Or V1 = V2*sqrt(F1/F2)

So the estimates of velocity should be actually LESS than what is given.

If we assume relativity then although the velocity wouldn't get higher than light speed the mass would increase where it would compensate for the velocity loss. So the kinetic energy assuming relativity would be the same as not assuming it.

In layman's terms?

Originally posted by Stoic
Comboed? Frieza would never even hit him. Thanos would place him in a force prison take over his mind and kill him. DBZ is funny that way. Most of the characters have huge weaknesses to exploit by certain characters. Thanos is one of those characters. Anyway let's not derail the thread.

See what I deal with in Anime/Manga?

Calling him Batshit insane is being kind..

Originally posted by cdtm
See what I deal with in Anime/Manga?

Calling him Batshit insane is being kind..

Hey, about the ass eating thing. It had two things attached to it.
1. LOB and those El's, or however you'd like to spell it... lol. Don't listen to that heathen.

2. All characters have their moments of failure, even the ones that have yet to fail.

Oh, and yeah, Anime belongs with Anime. Tenchi rules.

Originally posted by Stoic
In layman's terms?

Just multiply by the square root of the ratio of strengths to obtain the new velocity.


Also
If relativity is not taken into account then the velocity would still be significantly over the speed of light.

If relativity is taken into account then the mass would increase to even more absurd amounts but the velocity would stay below light speed.

Personally I don't see any of these characters surviving a rock with the mass of a mountain (billion tons) thrown at them at even 100mph. Except Galactus.

Otherwise, average showings like Thing or Namor affecting these characters in the slightest with punches would be contradictory.

Originally posted by Stoic
Hey, about the ass eating thing. It had two things attached to it.
1. LOB and those El's, or however you'd like to spell it... lol. Don't listen to that heathen.

2. All characters have their moments of failure, even the ones that have yet to fail.

Oh, and yeah, Anime belongs with Anime. Tenchi rules.

Hell yeah Tenchi rules.