Asajj Ventress vs. Kit Fisto

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xPRIMEx
Fight to the death. Who wins?

Kurk
Fisto in his prime

Total Warrior
Ventress solidly

DarthAnt66
Fisto's allegedly one of the top twenty Jedi in the Order's history (in Canon).

Total Warrior
Then Ventress would be one of the top 15

Lord Stark
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Fisto's allegedly one of the top twenty Jedi in the Order's history (in Canon).

Sauce?

DarthAnt66
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* "Top twenty to thirty," my bad.

It's not an objective source, but comes from an in-universe Jedi SW debater, so I value her opinion.

Plus author intent and all that yada.

DarthAnt66
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Galan007
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OkEExF15pgw/WadorO-Y3TI/AAAAAAAAEg4/F8NCfpHdrCAjhmY5PL9kGzxb6rA9Zw1eQCHMYCw/s1600/RCO014_w.jpg

* "Top twenty to thirty," my bad.

It's not an objective source, but comes from an in-universe Jedi SW debater, so I value her opinion.

Plus author intent and all that yada. In the same issue, Mace also stated that Kit's skills with a lightsaber were "unrivaled":
https://i.imgur.com/2TgMv7L.jpg

Kurk
I mean in legends you can argue Shii-Cho < Makashi, but canon doesn't seem to value the technicalities of combat very much.

Darth Thor
Well Ahsokas opinion as stated to Luminara, was that no single Jedi could defeat Ventress.

DarthAnt66
Which is false.

victreebelvictr
didnt ventress defeat plenty jedi masters. master llumaniti right?

Selenial
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Which is false.

Which is his point.

DarthAnt66
Stupid point. thumb up

Just because Tano thinks Ventress is a Sith doesn't mean Purple-girl is retarded also, lol.

Total Warrior

JKBart
Fisto wins more times than not.

People have this weird thinking that when X defeats Y without some ridiculous circumstances it's suddenly X >>>> Y. Fights are random, one random move, one random placement means someone inferior can defeat his superior. You have Maul defeating Qui-Gon in 95% of situations, Maul being obviously superior by every possible account, but Qui-Gon can win these 5 out of 100 fights.

This is how I see Fisto vs. Ventress. Besides their fight, which was by the way also random, Fisto is superior in accolades, historic placement, feats, Force power, speed.

ILS
Originally posted by JKBart
Maul wins more times than not.

People have this weird thinking that when X defeats Y without some ridiculous circumstances it's suddenly X >>>> Y. Fights are random, one random move, one random placement means someone inferior can defeat his superior. You have Maul defeating Qui-Gon in 95% of situations, Maul being obviously superior by every possible account, but Qui-Gon can win these 5 out of 100 fights.

This is how I see Maul vs. Sidious. Besides their fight, which was by the way also random, Maul is superior in accolades, historic placement, feats, Force power, speed.

Darth Thor
^ Nice but I thought you were going with Maul vs Kenobi/Dooku in that edit.

DarthAnt66
@Total Warrior: When Ventress joined the Separatists has no bearing on the quote's impressiveness.

MythLord
Asajj wins.

Darth Thor
The quote isnt too surprising given Fisto was on the Jedi Council when the Jedi were at the height of their power.

Selenial

Darth Thor
In Legends yeah Ventress is better.

In Canon its harder to say. They both performed really well against Grievous. Aside from that, Ventress was =/> Luminara, but Kenobi seemed to always take it easy on her.

However Fisto is accolades as one of the better Council Members. One of the B Team and all.

The.D0minator
equal in legends tbf

Darth Thor
I mean Ventress did soundly beat him in Cestus Deception.

Lord Stark
I'd love to see that list lol. I mean the Jedi Order is some 20,000 years old. Being in the top 20 Jedi of all time means you are on average a once is 1000 years kind of fighter. More PT hype.

ILS
In canon, Fisto's skills were touted as "unparalleled" by Windu.

Galan007
Originally posted by Galan007
In the same issue, Mace also stated that Kit's skills with a lightsaber were "unrivaled":
https://i.imgur.com/2TgMv7L.jpg

Rockydonovang
tbf fisto was injured vs ventress

SunRazer
Given the increasing recognition towards the whole "surprise attack" and "mental confounding" aspects of Palpatine's fight with the Jedi Masters, Kit Fisto lasting as long as he did is a pretty good feat.

Nevertheless, Ventress takes this, especially in Legends.

LordOfTheLight
Originally posted by JKBart
Fisto wins more times than not.

People have this weird thinking that when X defeats Y without some ridiculous circumstances it's suddenly X >>>> Y. Fights are random, one random move, one random placement means someone inferior can defeat his superior. You have Maul defeating Qui-Gon in 95% of situations, Maul being obviously superior by every possible account, but Qui-Gon can win these 5 out of 100 fights.

This is how I see Fisto vs. Ventress. Besides their fight, which was by the way also random, Fisto is superior in accolades, historic placement, feats, Force power, speed.

Agreed and you forgot that Fisto was injured in their fight.

Darth Thor
Originally posted by SunRazer
Given the increasing recognition towards the whole "surprise attack" and "mental confounding" aspects of Palpatine's fight with the Jedi Masters, Kit Fisto lasting as long as he did is a pretty good


Yeah To be fair Fisto didnt exactly get blitzed.

Just beaten very quickly.

victreebelvictr
if ventress can defeat both ahsoka and llumanati, then she can beat kit fisto

Rockydonovang
Writers show power levels via fights. Barring the use of circumstances, a fight issued to show the capabilities of the fighters. Fisto's accolades(none of which iventress is eligible for as a darksider) are pointless if Ventress is shown to be better directly in combat.

Furthermore, as of season 3, we see ventress showing superiority to TCW Kenobi who was clowning her as of the tcw novel. Kenobi seems to have surpassed her during her self imposed exile, but that kind of growth would suggest Ventress was vastly pre prime when she faced fisto. This is upported by her being like ten years younger. As of Dark Desciple, the notion of her being sub fisto is nonsense.

Another example of how quickly she grows can be seen with her ability to match Oppress in season 4(oppress's upperhand is explicitly linked to unfavorable circumstances with them being at a "stalemate" otherwise.) This is right before Oppress defeats Koon who, aside from outperforming Fisto vs a superior version of ventress (under identical circumstances), was able to fight evenly with Ventress post cestus deception.

Aside from beating fisto, Ventress was younger and showcased a far faster growth rate. It stands to reason that as of their primes, Ventress would be superior.

Prekzursil
youtube.com/watch?v=iLvD5_IY30s

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