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The Shade, for me. More powerful, and more.... fundamental? If that's a property. He's the dark. It's not as if he's something that can be affected by scientific, physical means.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The Shade, for me. More powerful, and more.... fundamental? If that's a property. He's the dark. It's not as if he's something that can be affected by scientific, physical means. Albeit to general consensus actually, his powers are rather scientific in nature so to speak, even Dr. Fate clarified that his powers have nothing to do with mysticism and dark arts, so that's just a bonus.

Shade is probably more powerful than Magneto, but Magneto is among the type of the characters who defeats his opponents with versatility and HAX which are hard to counter rather than just plain power.

Regarding Magneto as well, theoretically speaking, he can affect Shade's powers and energies, since Shade's powers are just another variation of Hard Light Constructs (think Green Lantern), just Photons/Light coming together to form a hard light construct but that of black color in simple terms and we all know that Magneto can manipulate those.

Here Batman explains the powers of Shade (context wise it was Nightshade, who actually shares the same powers as Shade and Obsidian) - https://imgur.com/a/2R6Up8v

Here Obisidan (who has the same source of power as Shade) calls his powers black light - https://imgur.com/a/lKd9iDL

Shade wins easily.

When did Fate say it wasn't magic.

All I remember was him saying it wasn't magic LIKE FATE'S.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102481/3142482-6304670997-shade.jpg

Using Obsidian and Nightshade et Al is fine and dandy; have you got any of SHADE?

Shade.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When did Fate say it wasn't magic.

All I remember was him saying it wasn't magic LIKE FATE'S.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102481/3142482-6304670997-shade.jpg

Using Obsidian and Nightshade et Al is fine and dandy; have you got any of SHADE? Read your own scan, please. Fate says that Shade is not a being of magic, nor uses supernatural power (which is just another fancy word to say that it is not magic), i mean those sentences by default explain that there is no magic involved with him.

As for Shade, i already showed scans, and yes those scans do equate to Shade, since all of those characters factually have quite literally the same powers and draw it from the same source, it was stated actually as well, thus all of this which was shown is applieable to Shade, since he wields the same dark hard light - http://i.imgur.com/t0Z6aRW.jpg

Shade has more raw power than Magneto. I haven't seen Magneto manipulate shade's type of energy/power.

And how does that favors for Magneto? Selene has defeated him using shadows.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16483265/04-30-09-01-10.jpg.html

Originally posted by abhilegend
And how does that favors for Magneto? Selene has defeated him using shadows.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16483265/04-30-09-01-10.jpg.html The same Selene was amped by INFINITY GEMS energies which were residing in ley lines of Earth, don't forget to mention the context, lol. Doom later with that power could have warped reality at least on planetary scale if he wanted to.

Also, her shadows are not the same as Shade's, so there you have basic false equivalency, since Shade's powers are Hard Light/Photonic in nature, unlike Selene's shadow powers of course (which are based on extra-dimensional energy). So overall Shade is throwing photons as Magneto, photons which Magneto has learned to control, after that instance with Selene, he kinda negates his past weaknesses.

Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
The same Selene was amped by INFINITY GEMS energies which were residing in ley lines of Earth, don't forget to mention the context, lol. Doom later with that power could have warped reality at least on planetary scale if he wanted to.

Also, her shadows are not the same as Shade's, so there you have basic false equivalency, since Shade's powers are Hard Light/Photonic in nature, unlike Selene's shadow powers of course (which are based on extra-dimensional energy). So overall Shade is throwing photons as Magneto, photons which Magneto has learned to control, after that instance with Selene, he kinda negates his past weaknesses.
It was only normal shadow disrupted by simple light.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EGx67AAaS-c/WdQ2FE2yQ9I/AAAAAAAAPDY/ZZsb1QqxsqQnEuqDYhQ4sPH8lP_FL05YwCHMYCw/s1600/RCO010.jpg

No need to exaggerate.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And how does that favors for Magneto? Selene has defeated him using shadows.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16483265/04-30-09-01-10.jpg.html

did she just say light can pass through his shield? is that why mags was able to block photons here with his shield?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/49974/4822294-magquick.jpg

Shade can cast spells, so he has some magic knowledge.

https://i.imgur.com/eQ12EEl.jpg

His power is even above cosmic gods.

https://i.imgur.com/WRX3tin.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7kma0Jr.jpg

The Shade makes the lights go out when Maggy gets up in the middle of the night to take a leak and trips and cracks open his skull on the toilet.

Originally posted by Zack M
Shade can cast spells, so he has some magic knowledge.

https://i.imgur.com/eQ12EEl.jpg

His power is even above cosmic gods.

https://i.imgur.com/WRX3tin.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7kma0Jr.jpg

How powerful are the cosmic gods?

^^^I would say...cosmic?

I'd say godlike, tbh.

Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
Regarding Magneto as well, theoretically speaking, he can affect Shade's powers and energies, since Shade's powers are just another variation of Hard Light Constructs (think Green Lantern), just Photons/Light coming together to form a hard light construct but that of black color in simple terms and we all know that Magneto can manipulate those.]

Where did you get that Shade's powers are "just another variation of Hard Light Constructs"? Black is tha absence of light. It is not, by nature, a part of the electromagnetic spectrum and therefore should not be susceptible to manipulation by Magneto. Is this actually stated in- comic?

As far as I know, Shade has always been potrayed as having mystic based powers.

Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
Read your own scan, please. Fate says that Shade is not a being of magic, nor uses supernatural power (which is just another fancy word to say that it is not magic), i mean those sentences by default explain that there is no magic involved with him.

As for Shade, i already showed scans, and yes those scans do equate to Shade, since all of those characters factually have quite literally the same powers and draw it from the same source, it was stated actually as well, thus all of this which was shown is applieable to Shade, since he wields the same dark hard light - http://i.imgur.com/t0Z6aRW.jpg

Fate says it's not magic like his.

Quicksilver has speed, but not like Flash. Doesn't mean he has no speed.

It's magic, but not like Fates. Not supernatural. But still magic.

Besides....like Mazerall said, it's all theoretical. Although I think a better term is hypothetical. As there's no proof.

Light users can't control the dark like the Shade. Energy manipulators can't. Shadow is the ABSENCE of photons. So strictly speaking, it's the worst thing to say Magneto can control lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'd say godlike, tbh.
Godlike>Cosmic? Honest question.

Nah. Thor is a god, after all.

I was being semi facetious...

^^^why you sardonic bastitch...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Besides....like Mazerall said, it's all theoretical. Although I think a better term is hypothetical. As there's no proof.

Light users can't control the dark like the Shade. Energy manipulators can't. Shadow is the ABSENCE of photons. So strictly speaking, it's the worst thing to say Magneto can control lol. It's theoretical, not hypothetical, since Magneto has shown ability to control photons and regarding the shadow part of your notion, no Shade's power is not TRUE SHADOW, it's ShadowMatter, key word here being MATTER, it's solid, and is but a variation of Hard Light Construct as explained by Batman and Obsidian, in short that thing is made of photons, just saying.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fate says it's not magic like his.

Quicksilver has speed, but not like Flash. Doesn't mean he has no speed.

It's magic, but not like Fates. Not supernatural. But still magic. This is sematics you are playing here, friend. The Fate literally states in 1st panel that Shade is not a being of magic, thus a simply logical conclusion would tell you that it ain't magic.

Also Supernatural means Magic, Mystical and Mysterious or beyond natural, which people usually reger to magical obstacles by basic definition, those 2 notions are interwinned altogether, thus when Fate says that his powers are not supernatural it means they are not magical, simple as that.

There is not source saying that it is magical, and on the contrary other sources say that it is not, we have Batman saying that it is Hard Light, which is obviously not magic, and we have the instance with Fate.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was only normal shadow disrupted by simple light.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EGx67AAaS-c/WdQ2FE2yQ9I/AAAAAAAAPDY/ZZsb1QqxsqQnEuqDYhQ4sPH8lP_FL05YwCHMYCw/s1600/RCO010.jpg

No need to exaggerate. There is no exaggeration going on, Selene's shadow is based on extra-dimensional energy, that's how it works in Marvel, it's called lore information, her shadow comes from Darkforce dimension, an extra-dimensional place, thus making the energies (which is not actually shadow, but simply black colored energy) extra-dimensional in nature, so the point remains that you are blatantly applying false equivalency, on top of the fact that it was INFINITY GEM ENERGY amped Selene.

And if people haven't forgotten in this instance light could enter his shields, but Magneto has become better and learned to not allow that, as showcased when he showed ability to control photons, but i bet you are gonna ignore that, since i am sure you are not familiar with concept of characters getting better with their abilities.

The only one playing is you.

Fate: you're not a being of magic, like me (you've missed this part out, conveniently). You're not supernatural..you're almost elemental.

Now go back to what I was saying in my first post.

Splitting hairs, to be honest. We can all agree that it is the ABSENCE of light that he controls. As Fate says.

Not 'dark light' or whatever. We have to take both statements without cherry picking.

Fate says it's the absence of light. Mags can control light. But not it's absence.

is it the absence of light though? for example, i wouldn't call the dark force an 'absence of light'. it is a malleable FORCE that prevents light from working within it. maybe i should clarify--it isn't ONLY the absence of light, nor i would think is light necessary at all to define it. for example again--dark force powers work in the dark. i'd think someone capable of controlling high level forces would then, MAYBE, have a chance at controlling it. depends entirely on the nature of the force. /shrug

Well we're pretty much using Fate atm as the gospel here. That it's not magic.

So we should be consistent. He says it's the absence of light.

Mags won't be controlling the shadows lmao

i agree mags wouldn't be controlling the shadows. just saying it's possible a power energy manipulator may be able to. i'd need to see more from shade--what HAS been able to affect his shadow power in the past?

Light was effective to some degree in Starman at least.

Robinson revisisted that idea in that godawful cry for justice where Shade, along with the league, jobbed to new prometheus...

Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
There is no exaggeration going on, Selene's shadow is based on extra-dimensional energy, that's how it works in Marvel, it's called lore information, her shadow comes from Darkforce dimension, an extra-dimensional place, thus making the energies (which is not actually shadow, but simply black colored energy) extra-dimensional in nature, so the point remains that you are blatantly applying false equivalency, on top of the fact that it was INFINITY GEM ENERGY amped Selene.

And if people haven't forgotten in this instance light could enter his shields, but Magneto has become better and learned to not allow that, as showcased when he showed ability to control photons, but i bet you are gonna ignore that, since i am sure you are not familiar with concept of characters getting better with their abilities.
It was simple shadow and light my illiterate comicvine friend. No exaggeration needed.

Right, why don't you show us where Magneto stopped shadows or controlled photons (Dazzler illusion combined with Jean Grey notwithstanding).

Forgot about this one, it got buried too quick.

Shade FTW it is.