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Who wins?

Spectrum wins IMO. She just has too many ways to take Clark down and his most reliable powers (super strength, heat vision, and ice breath) can't effect her.

Originally posted by deathslash
Spectrum wins IMO. She just has too many ways to take Clark down and his most reliable powers (super strength, heat vision, and ice breath) can't effect her.

Wonderful post.

Originally posted by deathslash
Spectrum wins IMO. She just has too many ways to take Clark down and his most reliable powers (super strength, heat vision, and ice breath) can't effect her.

Superman.

She can give him some lumps and perhaps some bumps, but she shouldn't be able to do anything major.

Brain fry?

Superman doesn't have a brain.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Superman doesn't have a brain.

This.

Originally posted by deathslash
Spectrum wins IMO. She just has too many ways to take Clark down and his most reliable powers (super strength, heat vision, and ice breath) can't effect her.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Superman.

She can give him some lumps and perhaps some bumps, but she shouldn't be able to do anything major. I agree.

Spectrum.

Hey Glorificus.. How's Horrificus?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Hey Glorificus.. How's Horrificus?

Originally posted by cdtm
Brain fry? I don't know about that, his brain's pretty durable

https://imgur.com/a/OZDJ9rJ

Plus the whole Thanos scene seems applicable knowing Superman's mental capacity

Things just showing me black boxes.

Guessing it's the Manchester Black scene?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

They're each others sock. They jus don't know it yet.

Originally posted by cdtm
Things just showing me black boxes.

Guessing it's the Manchester Black scene? Kryptonite explosion of pieces that were said to grow

https://imgur.com/ohRfaf8
https://imgur.com/rdK3ffm
https://imgur.com/AjwITv1
https://imgur.com/4W68xeh

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Kryptonite explosion of pieces that were said to grow

https://imgur.com/ohRfaf8
https://imgur.com/rdK3ffm
https://imgur.com/AjwITv1
https://imgur.com/4W68xeh impressive. What happens when she completely freezes his movements though? Or when she blasts him with concentrated red sunlight? Matter of fact, what can he even do to hurt her?

Absorb her, maybe?

Or the hv hurt intangible Weird.

Originally posted by cdtm
Absorb her, maybe?

Or the hv hurt intangible Weird. doubtful of that first one. His absorption of energy is a passive ability. The only time that I recall him doing it non-passively was in TDKR.

His heat vision is only as fast as light though. Monica is also as fast as light and could simply dodge it. Moreover, being intangible and being light are two different things.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Superman doesn't have a brain.
BURN!!!

But yeah, his brain can be fried.
Much less versatile electric characters have done it.

Superman wins 6/7 . Superman absorbs her. easily. He's been absorbing energy offensively since Byrne at least.

Originally posted by panthergod
Superman wins 6/7 . Superman absorbs her. easily. He's been absorbing energy offensively since Byrne at least.

Nothing Supes does will affect Monica. Even in the '80s, even Zeus was NOT able to affect a non-weakened Monica

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149643/3509630-av284_18b.jpg

Here's Thor confirming that Monica hurt Zeus more than any mortal has ever done

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/49974/4128935-photzues5.jpg

also Monica can drain way more energy than both Radioactive Man and Solaar combined, those two had zero issues nearly killing Supes in the JLA/Avengers issue, only reason superman survived was because a dying vision supercharged him with the stored solar energies that were in his (vision's) solar energy crystal. Superman got so much supercharged that he wasn't longer effected by what those 2 beings were doing to him. Monica's energy drain>>>>> stored energy that vision used to supercharge Superman, and that was BACK before Monica got perma amped the 2nd time

Comics don't tend to be realistic power set battles. If this were true, there wouldn't really be tiers of characters--everything would be about individual matchups with a lot of rock/paper/scissors.

Superman is on a higher tier than Spectrum, and in a comics fight the writer would probably give him the win somehow. You're right that in theory (unless his HV can affect her) Superman has no way to win. But that is just theory. Hulk would probably find a way to beat her.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Comics don't tend to be realistic power set battles. If this were true, there wouldn't really be tiers of characters--everything would be about individual matchups with a lot of rock/paper/scissors.

Superman is on a higher tier than Spectrum, and in a comics fight the writer would probably give him the win somehow. You're right that in theory (unless his HV can affect her) Superman has no way to win. But that is just theory. Hulk would probably find a way to beat her.

what do you mean about the comics part?

What?

She can even turn into a Neutrino Stream. Remember, Neutrinos are smaller than electrons, IIRC. Also, her energy-based phasing is so high that even Zeus was NOT able to affect her w/ a direct blast (back in the '80s). She went all out against Zeus to the point that she was temporarily unable to use her powers due to exhaustion.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
what do you mean about the comics part?

I'm not sure what your question is here, exactly. The entire post you referred to is pretty much about comic book conventions.

Comics tend to have certain conventions. There's a bias towards physical, humanly relatable powers--the stuff of myth and legend. So more exotic and versatile powers tend to be given less credit than they should. Meanwhile, strength and invulnerability/durability/toughness are king. Speed is a physical power, but radically accelerated speed is not the kind of power you saw in ancient mythology much, and for good reason. Despite being an enhancement of an ability all humans possess--like strength and toughness--having such speed is much harder to relate to than being really strong. It makes you less human, in a way.

So comic companies want a hierarchy where certain types of power sets are over-represented at the top levels, and it modifies its reality implicitly to support this hierarchy. Non-flying bricks never get blasted backwards by the recoil of their own punches. Nor are they thrown into orbit in every fight.

Similarly, there's a bias towards having 'interesting' battles that are relatable and can be presented visually in a satisfactory manner given the limits of the medium. Auto-win uses of powers are typically not used as they would make for one-sided, boring fights. Superman might use super speed to get a small edge on a brick without super-speed, but he'll almost never use it decisively. This is mistakenly thought of as CIS or even PIS, but it's neither. It's part of the unwritten conventions of comics.

With even remotely realistic usages of powers, the top levels of the hero hierarchy (such that it is) would be be filled with speedsters, ethereal energy manipulators mages, and psis. I say 'such as it is' because there would be less of a defined hierarchy as far more battles would be extremely one-sided and decided by how certain power sets match up, rather than by raw power. A speedster might beat any being he can touch--and beat it badly. But any being he can't touch probably roasts him. Most fights would end in under a panel.

It's important to rate fights using such conventions IMO. It's all we really have evidence for. Once you start trying to inject more realism than the comics typically do, and in ways they don't typically do so, you go down a rabbit hole. It seems like it would be easier to argue fights using such parameters, but ultimately you tend to find that we lack enough specific data about the powers of participants to decisively argue fights in this way.

Spectrum fries his brain

Where's the scan of Supes vibration phasing being greater than someone who can counter temporarl shields?


Where's the scan of Supes detecting a Neutrino steam? Neutrinos are smaller than electrons and Monia efforrtlessly turned into one back in the 80s

Even Thanos wasn't avle to keep Monica from enterting his brain through his eye when using her powers, Thus if Superman can't see Monica, he's not doing anything

lmao exactly what I thought

Superman oneshots her with heat vision.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman oneshots her with heat vision.

Spectrum has actually turned into heat energy before, try again.

and provide what I asked for above

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Spectrum has actually turned into heat energy before, try again.

and provide what I asked for above
Then he absorbs her heat energy.

Still oneshots her with heat vision.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then he absorbs her heat energy.

Still oneshots her with heat vision.

Monica's actually resisted absorption before try again

Monica can turn into Neutrino steam which are SMALLER than electrons, he can't use his heat vision if he won't be able to detect or see something that small. so show proof

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Monica's actually resisted absorption before try again
Iron man has absorbed her easily.

Superman just absorbs her. Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Monica can turn into Neutrino steam which are SMALLER than electrons, he can't use his heat vision if he won't be able to detect or see something that small. so show proof
Superman has looked down to smaller than electrons multiple times. He can even look down to quantum realms.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Iron man has absorbed her easily.

Superman just absorbs her.
Superman has looked down to smaller than electrons multiple times. He can even look down to quantum realms.

proof of supes looking down lower than that?

Iron Man did it with the right frequency i.e tech, and his absorption abilities is far more impressive than superman

also Iron man used prep, and wanda's magic and Monica still got out of it

This is from Ultimates Vol.1 #1 Monica's confirmed to be LIVING EM Energy, thus supes heat vision isn't doing anything to her


https://2.bp.blogspot.com/RZoUnjAPM- 9xSEHGFlQfS0A28mdCNRT09q8yg0CQ0eIv6RQBpTTYeRVR2WGL
ExUQEk-_FXeppfUa=s1600

Here's Zeus who's a Skyfather trying to oneshot Monica. His blast doesn't even affect her at all. Superman isn't doing anything

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/5302/932724-pulsar_scan0003.jpg

Also Superman is still vulnerable to red solar radiation and radiation that matches the EM Frequency of Green Kryptonite, both of which Monica can effortlesstly turn into

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Here's Zeus who's a Skyfather trying to oneshot Monica. His blast doesn't even affect her at all. Superman isn't doing anything

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/5302/932724-pulsar_scan0003.jpg
That was just a hologram. Zeus easily oneshotted her when he wanted. Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Also Superman is still vulnerable to red solar radiation and radiation that matches the EM Frequency of Green Kryptonite, both of which Monica can effortlesstly turn into
How will she know that?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was just a hologram. Zeus easily oneshotted her when he wanted.
How will she know that?

Lol you know monica has cosmic awareness?

When did Zeus one-shotted her?

Spectrum powerset will be really tough on Supes. He'd have to come up with something unconventional to beat her.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
This is from Ultimates Vol.1 #1 Monica's confirmed to be LIVING EM Energy, thus supes heat vision isn't doing anything to her


https://2.bp.blogspot.com/RZoUnjAPM- 9xSEHGFlQfS0A28mdCNRT09q8yg0CQ0eIv6RQBpTTYeRVR2WGL
ExUQEk-_FXeppfUa=s1600



^adress this



Originally posted by abhilegend
Iron man has absorbed her easily.

Superman just absorbs her.
Superman has looked down to smaller than electrons multiple times. He can even look down to quantum realms.


^show scans for this, including the quantum realm

she was able to phase through Zeus WHO'S an skyfather lighting bolts via her light image, something she can do against Superman.

This is from Ultimates Vol.1 #1 Monica's confirmed to be LIVING EM Energy, HV ain't doing nothing, She's sentinent energy, she has been shown to be absorbed as well as willingly forcing herself in an opponent multiple times and even when she is absorbed she is still conscious

Superman won't even touch her

https://s22.postimg.cc/ga9bkr6x9/image.jpg

so yeah would need to see proof of Superman absorbing sentinent energy aswell. I'll wait

" like how Iron Man absorbed her"

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11122/111220339/5447784- destabilized+and+absorbed+yet+comes+back+in+a+litt
le+time+%281%29.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11122/111220339/5447786- destabilized+and+absorbed+yet+comes+back+in+a+litt
le+time+%282%29.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11122/111220339/5447787- destabilized+and+absorbed+yet+comes+back+in+a+litt
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Try again, even while prepped couldn't contain her. you're getting destroyed on here again

and Monica can transmute the energy inside Superman from within Superman

Superman.

Originally posted by Zack M
Superman.

You should look at my posts before picking him, or address it because superman doesn't win

He super charges the Omniverse and puts her in a spell.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Comics don't tend to be realistic power set battles. If this were true, there wouldn't really be tiers of characters--everything would be about individual matchups with a lot of rock/paper/scissors.

Superman is on a higher tier than Spectrum, and in a comics fight the writer would probably give him the win somehow. You're right that in theory (unless his HV can affect her) Superman has no way to win. But that is just theory. Hulk would probably find a way to beat her.

Tiers don't mean a thing at times. Look at the Hulk vs Doc Octopus. There's plenty more where we see lower tiers getting the win over characters that they had no business winning against. Imagine how many High Heralds the Spot could destroy for example. Sometimes power set, or weaponry supersedes the tier gap. Just saying.

Originally posted by Stoic
Tiers don't mean a thing at times. Look at the Hulk vs Doc Octopus. There's plenty more where we see lower tiers getting the win over characters that they had no business winning against. Imagine how many High Heralds the Spot could destroy for example. Sometimes power set, or weaponry supersedes the tier gap. Just saying.

lol true

Still waiting for proof Superman can detect/ see things smaller than even electrons

Superman still oneshots her with HV.

Monica is confirmed living EM energy, his HV would need to be shown of one-shotting SENTIENT living beings

and his HT can't hit something it can't see. Monica can go smaller than an electron

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/quantumfield.jpg

Originally posted by deathslash
Spectrum wins IMO. She just has too many ways to take Clark down and his most reliable powers (super strength, heat vision, and ice breath) can't effect her.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/quantumfield.jpg

the quantum field is smaller than an electron?

Monica's recent cosmic awareness can allow her to duplicate red sun radiation and kryptonite. in REAL LIFE, the human body can withstand up to 1,000 Grays worth of Full Body Radiation Exposure IF it's done gradually over the course of months to years. It could NEVER survive a oneshot massive dose of 1,000 Grays or more all at once. It's the same w/ Base Supes. He won't be able to survive a oneshot massive full body exposure dose of Green Kryptonite radiation.

Superman can look down to quantum particles and create enough of them to destroy a barrier not even a black hole could.

https://s15.postimg.cc/wpetd5mfb/image.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/g1nbanzdj/image.jpg

And Anti particles like that flat out almost killed her.

https://sta.sh/016pxm8bujlz

i've been trying to think of a villain similar to monica that superman has beaten but i'm having a hard time finding anyone. i don't really see her having a sure-fire way of putting him down, but he'd need to use his powers pretty intelligently to take her out. this is a tough one to figure tbh.

Originally posted by leonidas
i've been trying to think of a villain similar to monica that superman has beaten but i'm having a hard time finding anyone. i don't really see her having a sure-fire way of putting him down, but he'd need to use his powers pretty intelligently to take her out. this is a tough one to figure tbh.
He has beaten Lightning Lord in pure electricity form and has beaten several energy beings.

In all honesty HV would be enough to beat her.

if there's scans of Superman beating sentinent living energy beings, than cool. would love to see this

This should do it...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111271893/5919740-swamp+thing+vol.+2+%2379.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111213729/4427508-7613075051-Swamp.jpg

Hello Spectrum...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111275309/6327264-spectrumthanos.jpg

lmaoo

Originally posted by carver9
This should do it...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111271893/5919740-swamp+thing+vol.+2+%2379.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111213729/4427508-7613075051-Swamp.jpg

Hello Spectrum...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111275309/6327264-spectrumthanos.jpg
Next page.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1VlIN2gDLm0/VmlS19Yy8lI/AAAAAAAAKbU/k-OCC8Fd918/s1600-Ic42/RCO022.jpg

Hello there Spectrum.

Sure, but ST isn't as good as Spectrum doing that.

and Monica will be pure light doing it lol, where's proof of Superman even defeating sentinent LIVING entity beings?

and what about this?

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Monica's recent cosmic awareness can allow her to duplicate red sun radiation and kryptonite. in REAL LIFE, the human body can withstand up to 1,000 Grays worth of Full Body Radiation Exposure IF it's done gradually over the course of months to years. It could NEVER survive a oneshot massive dose of 1,000 Grays or more all at once. It's the same w/ Base Supes. He won't be able to survive a oneshot massive full body exposure dose of Green Kryptonite radiation.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Next page.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1VlIN2gDLm0/VmlS19Yy8lI/AAAAAAAAKbU/k-OCC8Fd918/s1600-Ic42/RCO022.jpg

Hello there Spectrum.

Will that happen before or after his brain is turned to mush? Also, in the scan you posted, Swamp thing was still too fast for him to detect.

Originally posted by carver9
Will that happen before or after his brain is turned to mush? Also, in the scan you posted, Swamp thing was still too fast for him to detect.
You made it look like Swamp Thing just went inside his head and that's it.

Superman has contained a tear in reality and a black hole by static lightning. Spectrum isn't escaping the containment.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/staticelectricitybh.jpg

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/timespaceriphands1.jpg

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/timespaceriphands2.jpg

She can transmute the energy inside Superman from within Superman

Monica can duplicate ANY energy frequency, even one foreign to her.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
lmaoo

How would heat vision beat pure light

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
How would heat vision beat pure light

The same way heat vision can be use to fix a tear in reality. Comics my dude.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman can look down to quantum particles and create enough of them to destroy a barrier not even a black hole could.

https://s15.postimg.cc/wpetd5mfb/image.jpg https://s15.postimg.cc/g1nbanzdj/image.jpg

And Anti particles like that flat out almost killed her.

https://sta.sh/016pxm8bujlz

it doesn't even say "Anti particles" it says Anti photons ...since when has Supermans HEAT VISION which is Solar energy which is apart of the electromagnetic spectrum produce anti photons? If anything his heat vision would amp her

and I like how you straight up Ignored that she was permanently amped after this

Originally posted by abhilegend
You made it look like Swamp Thing just went inside his head and that's it.

Superman has contained a tear in reality and a black hole by static lightning. Spectrum isn't escaping the containment.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/staticelectricitybh.jpg

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/timespaceriphands1.jpg

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/timespaceriphands2.jpg

Holy Crap!

Originally posted by SquallX
The same way heat vision can be use to fix a tear in reality. Comics my dude. Concession accepted.

You shouldn't try to explain things to him. He's slow.

Originally posted by Zack M
You shouldn't try to explain things to him. He's slow. Based on?

Originally posted by Zack M
You shouldn't try to explain things to him. He's slow.

You would think fixing a piece of reality with heat vision>Spectrum?

Originally posted by Zack M
Concession accepted.

Originally posted by SquallX
You would think fixing a piece of reality with heat vision>Spectrum? An incomparable feat. Sorry you cannot just take random feats and haphazardly apply them across the board.

It's huuuge!

Originally posted by Zack M
It's huuuge! That doesnt make any sense.

LOL!

heat vision has never affected pure light, PERIOD.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
heat vision has never affected pure light, PERIOD. See you get it.

Originally posted by Zack M
LOL! ?

??

Originally posted by Zack M
?? Who do you think wins?

???

Supes.

Originally posted by Zack M
Supes. You were confused a post ago.

??

Originally posted by Zack M
?? Spectrum wins. Do you have memory issues ?

Nope.

Originally posted by Zack M
Nope. How?

Super charge.

Breh heat vision has never shown effecting pure light form

and Abhi in your scan,.
it doesn't even say "Anti particles" it says Anti photons ...since when has Supermans HEAT VISION which is Solar energy which is apart of the electromagnetic spectrum produce anti photons? If anything his heat vision would amp her

and I like how you straight up Ignored that she was permanently amped after this

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Breh heat vision has never shown effecting pure light form

and Abhi in your scan,.
it doesn't even say "Anti particles" it says Anti photons ...since when has Supermans HEAT VISION which is Solar energy which is apart of the electromagnetic spectrum produce anti photons? If anything his heat vision would amp her

and I like how you straight up Ignored that she was permanently amped after this

Adam helped her reach another level of power once he repaired her energized body. Superman wins if he can damage her on a similar level as Proxima was able to. If not, I'm not sure why she couldn't jump into his body and drain his power?

Originally posted by Zack M
Super charge. Based on?

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Breh heat vision has never shown effecting pure light form

and Abhi in your scan,.
it doesn't even say "Anti particles" it says Anti photons ...since when has Supermans HEAT VISION which is Solar energy which is apart of the electromagnetic spectrum produce anti photons? If anything his heat vision would amp her

and I like how you straight up Ignored that she was permanently amped after this

I post scans from when Emil Hamilton used High Intensity EM Flux Hax tech to contain Supes (in both a demonstration and in a combat situation) that not even Supes was able to affect when he tried to break out of it. Prolonged physical contact w/ that energy Flux Hax field drained Supes to the point that he got KO'd by an explosion that was NOT even building level lmao

if anybody want to battlezone me on this, I'd gladly accept.