DCEU vs. New Star Wars

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StiltmanFTW
Justice League Universe

Man of Steel
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
Suicide Squad
Wonder Woman
Justice League

vs.

Disney's Star Wars

The Force Awakens
Rogue One
The Last Jedi
Solo

Which one do you prefer and why?

Arachnid1
I loved Man of Steel, but I loved Rogue One too. That said, I'm too much of a comic fanboy to not pick DCEU for Man of Steel, even if I hate most of the rest of it (WW was good, though not amazing).

CPT Space Bomb
Give me the DCEU vs that pile of shit. New Star Wars is dead to me. After TLJ I'm done. I still have the Original Trilogy and in my head canon it ends there.

At least I can find some enjoyment in MoS and WW. There is really no enjoyment for me in anything for Disney Wars now.

Zack M
Star Wars.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Zack M
Star Wars.

My heart stopped for a good moment.

Zack, is that you?

playa1258
The DCEU for me right now. Kennedy needs to go and the DCEU is going to improve much more with the new leadership in place.

carthage

Flyattractor
When I saw the DCEU Movies no one was falling asleep in them unlike some of the Star Wars Flicks...

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Justice League Universe

Man of Steel
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
Suicide Squad
Wonder Woman
Justice League

vs.

Disney's Star Wars

The Force Awakens
Rogue One
The Last Jedi
Solo

Which one do you prefer and why?

Dude, DCEU definetly.

You know why? Ain't because SW has worse films, but rather because SW expectations are way way way higher than DCEU.

I am a bigger fan of SW than of DCEU, so everytime i go see a movie of SW i feel so disappointed...

Understand me?

Inhuman
Originally posted by Zack M
Star Wars.

Reported

Khazra Reborn
They both suck diarrhea

BruceSkywalker
I will always love Star Wars no matter what... been a fan since 1977 and love it all

quanchi112

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I will always love Star Wars no matter what... been a fan since 1977 and love it all

I love SW with my heart! But man, over this last years Disney SW has disappointed me more than DCEU has (I never had high expectations for DCEU).

Josh_Alexander

quanchi112
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Snoke Snoke Snoke Snoke laughing out loud laughing out loud Snoke is the best with Maul as my number 2. Great characters.

BruceSkywalker
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I love SW with my heart! But man, over this last years Disney SW has disappointed me more than DCEU has (I never had high expectations for DCEU).



none of the current star wars have been disappointments to me. they have expanded beyond belief and i crave more.. ep 9, fett's and obi wan's movies can't come fast enough...

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
none of the current star wars have been disappointments to me. they have expanded beyond belief and i crave more.. ep 9, fett's and obi wan's movies can't come fast enough...

Ohh well, you are the exception, cause most fans don't feel that way my dear.

relentless1
DC >>> new Star Wars

Estacado
Both are whack.

Kazenji
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Ohh well, you are the exception, cause most fans don't feel that way my dear.

So when exactly did someone give you authority to make claims?

quanchi112
Originally posted by relentless1
DC >>> new Star Wars Fight me.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by Kazenji
So when exactly did someone give you authority to make claims?

Are you questioning the Tribunal's authority!!!!?

Besides that and well:

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2017/12/15/review-star-wars-the-last-jedi-delights-and-disappoints/&refURL=https://www.google.com.gt/&referrer=https://www.google.com.gt/

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-8-last-jedi-disappointing/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/26/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-earns-disappointing-36m-friday/#7e6f4c105702

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/solo_a_star_wars_story/

And many many other reviews of the last Disney-SW movies.

BruceSkywalker
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Ohh well, you are the exception, cause most fans don't feel that way my dear.

so you speak for the billions of movie goers out there then?? hahahahahahahahahahahahazhahahahaha


Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Are you questioning the Tribunal's authority!!!!?

Besides that and well:

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2017/12/15/review-star-wars-the-last-jedi-delights-and-disappoints/&refURL=https://www.google.com.gt/&referrer=https://www.google.com.gt/

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-8-last-jedi-disappointing/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/26/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-earns-disappointing-36m-friday/#7e6f4c105702

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/solo_a_star_wars_story/

And many many other reviews of the last Disney-SW movies.


You are a tool Josh.. Those articles don;t mean anything as to compared to the billions of movie goers that are out there. People have liked what they have seen despite those articles..

Darth Thor
Lol @ this thread.

Anyway Solo has flopped. Much like Justice League its grossed Less than $100million OW, on a reported $300million total budget after reshoots and change in direction.

So yeah very comparable.

Like the DCEU, Disney Star Wars has turned its core fan base away.

Estacado
More like Star Flops now...

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
so you speak for the billions of movie goers out there then?? hahahahahahahahahahahahazhahahahaha





You are a tool Josh.. Those articles don;t mean anything as to compared to the billions of movie goers that are out there. People have liked what they have seen despite those articles..

No, statistics and movie reviews speak for the billions of people out there. Am just the one who reveals it to you.

Just because many people got to watch the movies doesn't mean they are good/succesfull.

Financial success doesn't translate into a good movie.

The Last Jedi, Rogue One, Solo...they've all been disappointments. If you want to claim otherwise, you are entitled, just doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Are you questioning the Tribunal's authority!!!!?

Besides that and well:

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2017/12/15/review-star-wars-the-last-jedi-delights-and-disappoints/&refURL=https://www.google.com.gt/&referrer=https://www.google.com.gt/

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-8-last-jedi-disappointing/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/26/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-earns-disappointing-36m-friday/#7e6f4c105702

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/solo_a_star_wars_story/

And many many other reviews of the last Disney-SW movies.

Oh, there's not a single doubt that TLJ pissed off the majority of Star Wars fans... I'm butthurt myself over it... but that's still just a single movie.

You didn't hear such severe complaints about TFA or R1.

As for Solo... the jury is still out for this one. Haven't seen it yet (no spoilers, please) and it just hit the theaters.

Dr Will Hatch
They're both pretty awful franchises at this point, yet both have one film(Wonder Woman, Rogue One) a piece that range from good to great. I guess...New Star Wars is slightly better? I was very disappointed by The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi flat out sucked, but neither film completely shit the bed the way that Batman v Superman did, and neither were as sloppy as Suicide Squad, nor as relentlessly mediocre like Justice League.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Oh, there's not a single doubt that TLJ pissed off the majority of Star Wars fans... I'm butthurt myself over it... but that's still just a single movie.

You didn't hear such severe complaints about TFA or R1.

As for Solo... the jury is still out for this one. Haven't seen it yet (no spoilers, please) and it just hit the theaters.

TLJ is the biggest disappointment so far.

Rogue One was....mediocre. Not good nor bad. But coming from Disney and Star Wars we don't expect mediocre.

Well ratings aren't looking so well for Solo.....

quanchi112
There were articles back in December iirc so I believe Disney thought this was a very strong possibility. Weak character to do a film on in general no one really was excited for and the Last Jedi backlash all died together for the perfect storm. Episode 9 will have insane pressure riding on it similar to LeBron James what he experiences every year.

Surtur
Disney is just squeezing every last drop out of Star Wars they can. Now they are doing a Boba Fett movie.

Let these characters be. You legit have like thousands of years of history to pull from. Do some KOTOR era stuff dickbags.

As for the thread, I can name at least two movies on the JL side I enjoyed. WW and Man of Steel. For Star Wars the only one I kinda liked is Force Awakens.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Surtur
Disney is just squeezing every last drop out of Star Wars they can. Now they are doing a Boba Fett movie.

Let these characters be. You legit have like thousands of years of history to pull from. Do some KOTOR era stuff dickbags.

As for the thread, I can name at least two movies on the JL side I enjoyed. WW and Man of Steel. For Star Wars the only one I kinda liked is Force Awakens. Things will probably oh change after this debacle. She clearly has no vision because Han Solo despite it being good looks to be a huge failure at the box office. I never expected it to be near an episodic film but it should be in the vicinity of Rogue One numbers.

Surtur
Originally posted by quanchi112
Things will probably oh change after this debacle. She clearly has no vision because Han Solo despite it being good looks to be a huge failure at the box office. I never expected it to be near an episodic film but it should be in the vicinity of Rogue One numbers.

It's why being a Star Wars movie comes with some dangers. Expectations are way high. It's like the video game Fable. It was overall a decent game, but it got so much hype...

quanchi112

quanchi112
Heads are going to roll.

https://screenrant.com/solo-star-wars-worldwide-opening-gross/

This is terrible. Things will change.

quanchi112
https://screenrant.com/solo-star-wars-opening-justice-league/

Worse than justice league. Oh dear.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by quanchi112
Heads are going to roll.

https://screenrant.com/solo-star-wars-worldwide-opening-gross/

This is terrible. Things will change.

Originally posted by quanchi112
https://screenrant.com/solo-star-wars-opening-justice-league/

Worse than justice league. Oh dear.

Ohh my, hope it's for good............

quanchi112

BruceSkywalker
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No, statistics and movie reviews speak for the billions of people out there. Am just the one who reveals it to you.

Just because many people got to watch the movies doesn't mean they are good/succesfull.

Financial success doesn't translate into a good movie.

The Last Jedi, Rogue One, Solo...they've all been disappointments. If you want to claim otherwise, you are entitled, just doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way.


no they don't coz if they did then people couldn't make up their own minds and judge for themselves... the billions of people that see movies disagree with you and your articles. they alone can say whether or not movies turn profits and what type of profit is made.. take solo for example it vastly underperformed yet it'll turn a little profit..

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
TLJ is the biggest disappointment so far.

Rogue One was....mediocre. Not good nor bad. But coming from Disney and Star Wars we don't expect mediocre.

Well ratings aren't looking so well for Solo.....


it is only a disappointment coz you didn't like it which is fine, but not put words into others mouths who enjoyed it which people clearly did...

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
no they don't coz if they did then people couldn't make up their own minds and judge for themselves... the billions of people that see movies disagree with you and your articles. they alone can say whether or not movies turn profits and what type of profit is made.. take solo for example it vastly underperformed yet it'll turn a little profit..




it is only a disappointment coz you didn't like it which is fine, but not put words into others mouths who enjoyed it which people clearly did...

Do you know the purpose of ratings Bruce!!?

Cause clearly ratings prove that overall people didn't like the movies.

Quincy
Suicide Squad was enough of a cinematic nosebleed to make me pick Star Wars every time.

quanchi112

Josh_Alexander

playa1258
Kennedy is on the hot seat for sure. Both franchises are going to go in opposite directions at this point.

BruceSkywalker

quanchi112

playa1258
They should delay Episode 9 to 2020 to give Star Wars some breathing room.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I see you don't know much... Ratings don't mean anything. Anyone can go on IMDB and say "I wanna see this film or I don;t wanna see this film... Same with the audience score on RT.. The final judgment has and will always come from the billions of moviegoers that are out there..





No he isn't.. He doesn;t care what the internet says. The internet has no contrl over the movie making business.




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. Why exactly would she be in the hotseat??? Last Jedi was a sucess despite you're ignorance.. Solo looks like it will barely pay for itself.. She isn;t going anywhere

Okay, this is clearly YOUR word against IMBd, Forbes, Rottentomatoes, and many many other sites and reviews which dedicate to analyzing fans responses and movie results.

Again kid, you liked the movie, fine. Doesn't mean the rest of us did, nor that your opinion> Internet/fanbase.

relentless1
Originally posted by quanchi112
Fight me.

challenge accepted worm; choose your weapon

wakkawakkawakka
While the DC movies really on have on decisively positive reviewed movie under their belt, Star War under this new leadership isn't really doing itself to many favors in order to expand the franchise.

In the case of the Solo movie, have yet to actually see it myself, I've gathered that it seems to rely too much on the Star Wars brand to put people in seats rather than actually being an entertaining movie. It doesn't help that nobody really asked for this movie either.

quanchi112

relentless1
trust me quan, you do

cdtm
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay, this is clearly YOUR word against IMBd, Forbes, Rottentomatoes, and many many other sites and reviews which dedicate to analyzing fans responses and movie results.

Again kid, you liked the movie, fine. Doesn't mean the rest of us did, nor that your opinion> Internet/fanbase.

Rottentomatoes gave high 90's to female ghostbusters, and low 20's to The Orville and Iron Fist.

So he's right about at least some of them.

quanchi112

juggernaut74
2 years ago I would have said Star Wars hands down, but more recently I'm not sure it's still really close now.

Surtur

quanchi112
Originally posted by Surtur
Also this movie now might impact the Boba Fett movie. Who knows, it could turn out to be great, but people might not turn out to see it cuz they will think "Well Solo wasn't that great, I'll just wait for episode 9 to come out". They will probably never do the Boba Fett film.

Surtur
They seem to wanna churn out a Star Wars movie once a year. It's not the right strategy.

The new Star Wars debuted less than 3 years ago. We've now had 4 movies.

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by cdtm
Rottentomatoes gave high 90's to female ghostbusters, and low 20's to The Orville and Iron Fist.

So he's right about at least some of them.

I never pay attention to the Critics reviews in RT, but rather to the Audience score.

And yet, am not basing my argument only on RT but also on many other sites/pages.

quanchi112

Surtur
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I never pay attention to the Critics reviews in RT, but rather to the Audience score.

And yet, am not basing my argument only on RT but also on many other sites/pages.

That's what I do as well, the critics scores are sometimes quite odd.

I [email protected] the female ghosttbusters being in the high 90s.

Surtur

Josh_Alexander
Originally posted by Surtur
That's what I do as well, the critics scores are sometimes quite odd.

I mean...l[email protected] the female ghosttbusters being in the high 90s.

Critics reviews are always GARBAGE. I wonder if the critics are even human beings!

Their scores are always so different to the Audience's!

Look at Avengers Infinity War. They give it 83 while the Audience gives it a hard 91. Samething with Deadpool.

playa1258
I would be down for them to delay episode 9 for a year at this point. Gives them time to breathe a regroup.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Surtur
But sometimes when you try to rush these things out...the projects can suffer.

And now I hear they are doing a live action tv show as well. I think multiple things hurt this project. They fired the directors, had to reshoot a majority of the film, the TLJ animosity, and the film centered on a character no one really wanted.

BruceSkywalker
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay, this is clearly YOUR word against IMBd, Forbes, Rottentomatoes, and many many other sites and reviews which dedicate to analyzing fans responses and movie results.

Again kid, you liked the movie, fine. Doesn't mean the rest of us did, nor that your opinion> Internet/fanbase.



hahahahahahaha.. okay troll... RT and IDMB have been known to get hacked, otherwise explain why Justice League was a flop and Last Jedi wasn't? Like I said anyone can go on them and say whether or not someone will see any movie, thats undeniable fact.. do you need a 5150 hold since it seems you can't accept that. Movie studios couldn;t less what the internet says you doufas. That is also an undeniable fact. You seem to forget I'm also part of the fanbase. you and others just upset your wishes/fanboy wet dreams have yet to materialize, whereas myself I have enjoyed these new films as has millions if not bilions of other movie goers since once again , it is all the movie goers out there that are the sole truth of whether or not a movie is a financial success or not and not people hiding behind computers thinking they all tough...

here is this from Deadline when they did their movie tournament on whether or not a movie was profitable or not.. Last Jedi tapped out at NUMBER 1...

http://deadline.com/2018/03/star-wars-the-last-jedi-box-office-movie-profits-1202351603/


so once more, millions if not billions of moviegoers out there clearly liked what they saw so deal with it...



Originally posted by Surtur
They seem to wanna churn out a Star Wars movie once a year. It's not the right strategy.

The new Star Wars debuted less than 3 years ago. We've now had 4 movies.


yea they clearly should've waited to release Solo..

StiltmanFTW
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John Murdoch
Full disclosure: haven't seen Wonder Woman all the way through, and I haven't seen Solo yet.

I've watched nearly all the DC cartoons since my youth (born in 1987), and I remember Empire Strikes Back being the first movie that gut-punched me and made me cry the night I watched it as a 7-8 year old child. These brands are near the top of my fanboy list.

That being said, I was thrilled when I sat down to watch Force Awakens and Rogue One, and TLJ had plenty of great jaw-dropping moments (throne room killing of Snoke and fight against the red guards, the hyperspeed kamikaze, Luke and Kylo's force projection samurai fight) to offset the garbage (the casino sequence is the worst set of scenes in anything Star Wars ever, Admiral Holdo, utterly absurd space battles, and making every plot twist reveal be the most disappointing possible reveal - example: Rey has visions of Vader and a connection to Anakin and Luke's lightsaber? Why? No reason just cuz, her parents where no one, etc.)

So far I'll still go see Episode IX for sure.


Now to the DCEU: I loved Man of Steel. I think it's the best movie of these entire two groups. There were some issues with the editing and the Pa Kent tornado sacrifice was beyond stupid, but the grainy sci-fi take on the Last Son of Krypton was just fantastic to me.

Besides that, though, what a monster letdown this universe has been:
- I liked BvS: Synder and co. stuck to their guns and tried to continue their tale of what happens when a super-powered alien is discovered on Earth and causes vast swaths of damage in the process of stopping his own people bent on world domination. Too bad it falls apart at email attachments, Bats and Supes' completely unnecessary battle, and teenage mutant ninja Doomsday.
- Suicide Squad: the ultimate example of why a movie can't just be cool scenes and catchy pop songs thrown together to be called a "plot". Fun, but a bad bad movie.
- What I've seen of WW is good, but game-changing? Eh. It screamed The First Avenger from everything's I've seen from it.
- Finally, DCEU reached its own Avengers. They had the forward momentum from Wonder Woman. They had the positive vibes we're all in this together marketing campaign. This was the moment to right the ship and steer it forward: the Justice League was about to arrive on the silver screen after decades in print. I'll just leave it at this, and this will give my answer to the question asked in this thread: I rented it from Redbox and it took me two days to finish because my wife fell asleep watching it. Utter, utter disappointment.

TL;DR: At least Nu-Wars has been entertaining even if it's divisive; besides MoS and WW, DCEU has been one massive trainwreck.

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