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gamora for sure imo. faster, stronger, better HF.

Wow, stronger too?

Gamora is the better H2H fighter

Originally posted by leonidas
gamora for sure imo. faster, stronger, better HF. doubtful of those first two. Drax has (on more than one occasion) hurt/kept up with Gladiator and did better against Angela that Gamora did iirc. There's also that showing where Gamora got hit by emma frost and failed rather hilariously to kill a holding back winter soldier.

Originally posted by deathslash
doubtful of those first two. Drax has (on more than one occasion) hurt/kept up with Gladiator and did better against Angela that Gamora did iirc. There's also that showing where Gamora got hit by emma frost and failed rather hilariously to kill a holding back winter soldier.

Since you're bringing about her recent failures, you should also mention her swordfight with Storm.

Storm is good and all, having been trained by Wolverine... but Gamora was amped by the Black Vortex

She also had a rather mediocre showing against Nightcrawler, iirc.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Since you're bringing about her recent failures, you should also mention her swordfight with Storm.

Storm is good and all, having been trained by Wolverine... but Gamora was amped by the Black Vortex

She also had a rather mediocre showing against Nightcrawler, iirc.

Drax is busy fistfighting with one of the fastest and strongest herald level character in Marvel while Gamora is busy trying and failing to beat people that should be beneath her. She's like the female version of Karnak.

Originally posted by deathslash


Drax is busy fistfighting with one of the fastest and strongest herald level character in Marvel while Gamora is busy trying and failing to beat people that should be beneath her. She's like the female version of Karnak.

I think she had some other really embarrassing showings, but forgot them.

Anyway, she was always all hype, no substance.

she has speed feats well beyond his--even moves as a blur and has some multiple image movement feats. speed is almost certainly in her favor unless you have some drax speed feats that compare. and you can talk low feats (which isn't the best way to compare characters of course) but she has also recently beat the hell out of carol and has beaten she-hulk in the past. storm has also handled bp in h2h, so clearly storm isn't a great barometer as low feats go. and glads was toying with drax and ended him pretty effortlessly when he was done playing. show some of drax better feats instead of low balling. until then i'd take gamora for a very solid majority here.

Originally posted by leonidas
she has speed feats well beyond his--even moves as a blur and has some multiple image movement feats. speed is almost certainly in her favor unless you have some drax speed feats that compare. and you can talk low feats (which isn't the best way to compare characters of course) but she has also recently beat the hell out of carol and has beaten she-hulk in the past. Moving as a blur isn't all that impressive
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb6/Enteithegreat/Drax/Fights/vsChurchofTruth.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb6/Enteithegreat/Drax/Fights/vsChurchofTruth2.jpg

and drax has at least one after image feat.
http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/drax/draxvscenturion.jpg.html

Originally posted by leonidas
storm has also handled bp in h2h, so clearly storm isn't a great barometer as low feats go.If by "handled" you mean that she landed several hits while he was explicitly holding back and he was even the one that broke off the fight, then yeah, she "handled" him. Btw, Storm herself acknowledges that BP would be the death of her if he was fighting all out in h2h.
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/stormblackpanther10.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
and glads was toying with drax and ended him pretty effortlessly when he was done playing. show some of drax better feats instead of low balling. until then i'd take gamora for a very solid majority here. in your first post, you said that she was stronger. As long as drax can draw blood from gladiator, injure Angela, and beat on Thanos, he's not weaker than her. Not by a longshot.

For further proof of his superiority, look at this:
http://i62.tinypic.com/2i8yf6s.png
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2exnce8&s=8#.Ww1IPx9lCf0
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5d3tk2&s=8#.Ww1IRR9lCf0
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=8xj8k8&s=8#.Ww1ISx9lCf0
As opposed to this:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1qkfh3&s=8#.Ww1KdB9lCf0

Gamora only managed to land one solid hit vs drax's two. The very moment that he hit her, she was out like a lightbulb and they even had enough time to talk about where they were before she got back up. The saddest part is that Gamora got solidly taken down with one hit and was about to die before the rest of the team showed up and saved her. Hell, Angela wasn't even using her ribbons in that fight. Gamora simply got trashed in pure h2h/swordplay.

Meanwhile, Drax is a legit contender even when Angela is going all out. It wouldn't be unfair to say that Drax, while clearly outclassed, still did better against Angela than Thor did.
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/gX6tr
Take note of how Angela's actually using her ribbons in this fight.

Oh, and as far as skill goes, he casually oneshotted moondragon.
https://orig00.deviantart.net/26a9/f/2017/259/c/7/z_by_bangjang96-dbnlgim.jpg

some feats are good.

speed really isn't close. you show LIMBS moving as blurs. that's a LOT different from moving your whole body as a blur:

https://imgur.com/a/3OfDy

https://imgur.com/a/a00Vq

those are just a couple. there are plenty of other speedster-esque showings for her.

strength: she matches and eventually stalemates ronan after an EPIC battle where she takes the full force of the universal weapon:

https://imgur.com/a/Vuxmh2r

https://imgur.com/a/NCGTizi

that feat and battle alone is better than anything drax has to offer. she blitzes him more than once, and even grapples with him evenly. her durability in the battle is crazy.

she also fought angela for 6 pages in her intro book. drax's fights with angela were much shorter. counting hits is....strange. different styles of fights altogether. i'd call the angela fights about even in the way they did. he was well definitely gonna die in the second one before gamora stepped in, but i hadn't seen that fight and it was a good showing for him. still gamora held her own just as long.

she's also fought evenly with maxam for a prolonged period of time, and he's in herc's strength class.

after seeing the second fight with angela, i'd call strength a basic wash.

skill? https://imgur.com/a/lii3A

https://imgur.com/a/QHjbI

https://imgur.com/a/TqVqA

speaking of durability and HF:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111140735/3537849-2364630228-IMG_1.png

a crazy feat that even drax acknowledges. he also couldn't have replicated the feat.

skill, speed, durability are all firmly on her side imo. strength is a wash. she should be able to end this easily enough with simple nerve strikes for a heavy majority.

*Lunatik beheading*

not sure what that is....or for whom. anyway, its h2h. in the ronan fight there was also a time where she had him beat and was dragging him away. she could have killed him with her sword then had she wanted to end it.

the thanos/drax showing is one i tend not to place much stock in. too much tied into his 'destiny' and such. cool feat, and one i don't think anyone else could have done, but because he was drax, not because he was omgz-powerful.

gamora has also gotten the better of terrax in single combat, though to be fair, terrax wasn't 100%. still a very good showing given terrax's power.

Because you asked for blur feats. That's an effective use of blur against someone higher than Gamora has ever beat or even done good against.

Anyway, Gamora has looked like shit ever since DnA left. She is portrayed lower than she was pre Annihilation, and I'm not even sure she has any skill feats anymore. Certainly no more pressure points.

Drax on the other hand has been portrayed as somewhat consistent ever since his resurrection. I think Annihilation and DnA Gamora would probably beat Drax, but you'd have to dig pretty far up your nose to find feats for her after DnA where she could take Drax.

She is a shell of her former self. I don't even know why she's considered dangerous anymore. And if you decide to amalgamate all her forms (which technically she should be the same level, but she clearly is not portrayed as such), then it certainly opens her up to all her limitations as of present.

And you know why?

http://cdn1.sciencefiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Brian-Michael-Bendis-thumb.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
some feats are good.

speed really isn't close. you show LIMBS moving as blurs. that's a LOT different from moving your whole body as a blur:

https://imgur.com/a/3OfDy

https://imgur.com/a/a00Vq

those are just a couple. there are plenty of other speedster-esque showings for her.

strength: she matches and eventually stalemates ronan after an EPIC battle where she takes the full force of the universal weapon:

https://imgur.com/a/Vuxmh2r

https://imgur.com/a/NCGTizi

that feat and battle alone is better than anything drax has to offer. she blitzes him more than once, and even grapples with him evenly. her durability in the battle is crazy.

she also fought angela for 6 pages in her intro book. drax's fights with angela were much shorter. counting hits is....strange. different styles of fights altogether. i'd call the angela fights about even in the way they did. he was well definitely gonna die in the second one before gamora stepped in, but i hadn't seen that fight and it was a good showing for him. still gamora held her own just as long.

she's also fought evenly with maxam for a prolonged period of time, and he's in herc's strength class.

after seeing the second fight with angela, i'd call strength a basic wash.

skill? https://imgur.com/a/lii3A

https://imgur.com/a/QHjbI

https://imgur.com/a/TqVqA

speaking of durability and HF:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111140735/3537849-2364630228-IMG_1.png

a crazy feat that even drax acknowledges. he also couldn't have replicated the feat.

skill, speed, durability are all firmly on her side imo. strength is a wash. she should be able to end this easily enough with simple nerve strikes for a heavy majority. solid speed feats for sure. I'm willing to concede that she's probably faster than him, but not by so much that she could blitz him or even dance around his attacks. Let's keep in mind, those aliens that she blitzed in the first scan were normal cannon fodder. Drax still blitzed a Cardinal of the Church of Truth.

Lol, since when has Ronan ever been above Gladiator? Unlike Gamora (who had a significant speed and skill advantage over her opponent), Drax had to fight someone out of his weight class and was immediately drawing blood.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/3997744-guardians+of+the+galaxy+%282013-%29+017-009.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/3997747-guardians+of+the+galaxy+%282013-%29+017-010.jpg

The best part is that this isn't the only time that Drax makes him bleed.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/2/23374/3696280-all-new+x-men+024-013.jpg

Also, Gamora has significantly lower end showings than Drax and they've been happening more consistently recently.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JPmu0K0kuRE/Wc_gmkeZnOI/AAAAAAAAMYY/s5q78rLfxRINBVP0-nIuqLrJDvkNo2l1ACHMYCw/s1600/RCO008.jpg
I like how, without even looking and whilst fighting Carol, Tony still has the time to easily oneshotted Gamora.

As for the fight with Angela, she only fought her for so long because the guardians stepped in and saved her life.
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/guardiansangela6.jpg
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/guardiansangela7.jpg
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/guardiansangela8.jpg
Without that, she would've died after the first hit that she received.

As for how I brought up the number of hits, Drax managed to land hits with his fists, verses Gamora landing a hit with her sword (after she had to be saved). Guess what they're using in this fight?

Also, this is the feat that Bran's talking about.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/127830/2488133-drax_04_010.jpg
IIRC, Lunatik fought pretty evenly with a full avengers lineup and has been getting more powerful since then.

Originally posted by deathslash
solid speed feats for sure. I'm willing to concede that she's probably faster than him, but not by so much that she could blitz him or even dance around his attacks. Let's keep in mind, those aliens that she blitzed in the first scan were normal cannon fodder. Drax still blitzed a Cardinal of the Church of Truth.

Lol, since when has Ronan ever been above Gladiator? Unlike Gamora (who had a significant speed and skill advantage over her opponent), Drax had to fight someone out of his weight class and was immediately drawing blood.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/3997744-guardians+of+the+galaxy+%282013-%29+017-009.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/3997747-guardians+of+the+galaxy+%282013-%29+017-010.jpg

The best part is that this isn't the only time that Drax makes him bleed.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/2/23374/3696280-all-new+x-men+024-013.jpg

Also, Gamora has significantly lower end showings than Drax and they've been happening more consistently recently.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JPmu0K0kuRE/Wc_gmkeZnOI/AAAAAAAAMYY/s5q78rLfxRINBVP0-nIuqLrJDvkNo2l1ACHMYCw/s1600/RCO008.jpg
I like how, without even looking and whilst fighting Carol, Tony still has the time to easily oneshotted Gamora.

As for the fight with Angela, she only fought her for so long because the guardians stepped in and saved her life.
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/guardiansangela6.jpg
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/guardiansangela7.jpg
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/guardiansangela8.jpg
Without that, she would've died after the first hit that she received.

As for how I brought up the number of hits, Drax managed to land hits with his fists, verses Gamora landing a hit with her sword (after she had to be saved). Guess what they're using in this fight?

Also, this is the feat that Bran's talking about.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/127830/2488133-drax_04_010.jpg
IIRC, Lunatik fought pretty evenly with a full avengers lineup and has been getting more powerful since then.

not sure why you're so high on the glads showing--glads literally says he's toying with him. fighting (and beating at one point) ronan for 13 pages and taking what he was dishing out>>>smacking around a glads who is just playing... is glads>ronan? sure, probably. but that weapon would definitely be a threat to him and he wouldn't be playing with ronan. i mean drax followed up angela's attack with a sucker shot in the second scan. not seeing any real value in the glads's scans i'm afraid.

i disagree too with the idea that she couldn't dance around drax. i'd def say she was capable of it--and is at least ENOUGH faster that she could disable him with nerve strikes that shut down ronan, grimm and rage (near cl100) as well as thanos. not sure how he avoids being shut down in this type of battle when it's been shown repeatedly that is one of her go-to moves.

the angela fight happened in her intro--no one knew what she was capable of, so there is that. she still fought her relatively evenly for a lengthy time. getting in hits is meaningless when they were parrying with swords, so not getting where you're going. if she fought angela h2h, she'd obviously have gotten shots in, so.... /shrug

the lunatik feat is pretty good. no idea what level he's at currently, but solid. i still don't see him winning this though. he'd have to punch her out by beating on her for a long time. she has some great durability feats. haven't seen any from him and all she needs is one nerve strike to end it. when someone has to land a bunch of blows, and the other only needs one, and that one is faster and more skilled? i'll take the latter almost every time.

If you want me to talk about a feat that isn't the gladiator one, I'd be glad to. I can talk about how Drax was capable of hurting Fin Fang Foom when freaking terrax was struggling.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/38919/6363116-drax+-+strength+punches+stagger+fin+fang+foom+-+drax+%235.jpg

Or how about this?
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/38919/6363121-drax+-+strength+punches+through+magus+1+-+guardians+of+the+galaxy+vol.+2+%2319.jpg
That moment when Drax casually punches through a team buster tho.

As far as durability goes, he's never really had any problems.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-5976196/
The dragons that he's fighting in that scan are relatives of Fin Fang Foom IIRC. He also walked off a blast from FFF as well as getting punched by him.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-5976199/
Tell me how hot the fire that Gamora got burned by was please.

As far as blunt durability goes, he's golden.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/38919/5976205-drax+-+stength+and+durability+vs+dragon+-+drax+%2310.jpg

Lunatik was Marvel's answer for lobo. He fell into obscurity, but he was strong enough to solo a team of avengers that had Hercules and Quicksilver on the team. Here's how durable he was.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/38919/5981179-silver+surfer+vs+lunatik+1+-+marvel+comics+presents+%23174.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/38919/5981178-silver+surfer+vs+lunatik+2+-+marvel+comics+presents+%23174.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/38919/5981177-silver+surfer+vs+lunatik+3+-+marvel+comics+presents+%23174.jpg

Holy shit, who decided that Angela's name is Angela Odinsdottir?

It was Bendis, it was Bendis right?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Holy shit, who decided that Angela's name is Angela Odinsdottir?

It was Bendis, it was Bendis right? he is the master of everything amazingly stupid......so yes.

Interesting MU.

In all the time I followed Gamora her highest feat was breaking her own sword while trying to stab Thanos off panel. Seriously, this broad gets massive amounts of lip service but rarely shows off the goods. Her speed and power showings are really not all that diferent from what Drax himself has shown.

Drax in the other hand has a very oddly defined powerset, sometimes he's one-shotting bricks with no problems and other times he gets tooled by Nova Prime. But he has some stupid feats for his tier, like killing one of Annihilus consorts (one of them was capable of putting Firelord in a comma) or beating one of the Cardinals from the Universal Truth one on one or beating the Luminals or standing his ground vs Maelstrom. His feats of plowing through the Annihilation Wave alone are very impressive.

Going by feats Drax could casually beat Gamora after a brief scuffle.

Originally posted by Bentley

Drax in the other hand has a very oddly defined powerset, sometimes he's one-shotting bricks with no problems and other times he gets tooled by Nova Prime. But he has some stupid feats for his tier, like killing one of Annihilus consorts (one of them was capable of putting Firelord in a comma) or beating one of the Cardinals from the Universal Truth one on one or beating the Luminals or standing his ground vs Maelstrom. His feats of plowing through the Annihilation Wave alone are very impressive.

Going by feats Drax could casually beat Gamora after a brief scuffle. He lost to Nova prime mainly because he packed ranged abilities. Even then, Nova had to try his brain in order to knock him out.

Even with that one serious loss, Drax's average these days is hilariously above Gamora's. He shrugged off getting slapped around by Fin Fang Room, fought evenly with Terrace, murdered Lunatik easily, killed one of the blood brother's whilst fighting both of them, did well against Angela, and even shrugged off an explosion that oneshotted Iron man.

Originally posted by deathslash
If you want me to talk about a feat that isn't the gladiator one, I'd be glad to. I can talk about how Drax was capable of hurting Fin Fang Foom when freaking terrax was struggling.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/38919/6363116-drax+-+strength+punches+stagger+fin+fang+foom+-+drax+%235.jpg

again, he...punched the dragon, who declared enough and slapped him down. not sure why you see that as a great feat.



this one is a good one and much more impressive than the dragon or glads.



https://imgur.com/a/tO0Obvx

dude, it was the SUN. that is a CRAZY feat, well beyond anything drax has to offer. now you could declare it so far outside the norm that you discount it, that's up to you, but given some of her battles and the ronan feats, not sure that would be true.



the lunatik feat is a good one for sure. weird that he easily withstands ss's powers and has his head cut off by drax. that WAS with a blade though. i'd imagine godslayer could easily replicate that feat. weapons feats don't mean much in this thread though.

again, i'll admit you've made me rethink drax. i've not read a lot of the MOST recent gotg stuff. early on this incarnation of him didn't seem like much more than logan (and i recall logan/drax threads with people saying logan would win). he def has been given a push.

thing is i still see no way around him getting taken down by a nerve strike. he has no h2h skill feats that put him in her class and no defense against them. he'd have to beat her down and she can take a ton of punishment and all she needs is one hit. if you think she can't land a single nerve shot on him, well, we'll never see eye-to-eye on this. i'd call it a split, or maybe slight edge to him if we take nerve strikes out, but of course there is no reason to do that.

you showed me some new things though, so...

Drax has some occasional showings of hand to hand skill, he easily broke the arm of the Luminal brick that was sent to hunt him on Knowhere, he has defeated Smasher from the Imperial Guard in the past if I recall correctly.

no doubt he has some casual showings, but nothing that would lead me to think he can avoid a nerve strike from her in what would be a lengthy battle. like i said, he's better in general than i thought. but in this type of battle, things simply favor gamora. you'd need a significant power advantage over her, or durability that suggests nerve strikes wouldn't work (when they have several times on powerful bricks) or skill demonstrations that would make me think she would be taken down that way. or a crazy speed edge. drax, demonstrably, has...none of those. at least imo. the best we could say is he MAY have an advantage in a couple areas. not enough to make up the difference for me. /shrug

I agree it's a decent MU for Gamora. He'd probably beat her if she had a sword and he had his knives.

hmm, maybe. i'd still say pretty close to a split. 2 knives vs range of a sword? not sure tbh. also depends a bit on what kind of credence you give to a pretty featless godslayer. i would be a lot less confident arguing an armed fight than an unarmed one though.

Originally posted by leonidas
a nerve strike from her

Poor Gamora has trouble landing those in actual fights.

except for the 4 times i showed it you mean...?

regardless, it really seems people think poorly of her. i really never had much stake in her one way or the other. i think she's ok, some good showings, some not great. any other character basically. i keep hearing how terrible she's become. but i've seen precious little to confirm this. if she really IS so bad, and she needs to be given 'distinctions', i'm all for someone trying to legit prove it by displaying all of these terrible showing. be interesting to see them so everyone can judge for themselves. i know about the winter soldier and storm. love to see what makes her so awful that we should actually downgrade her.

Originally posted by leonidas

regardless, it really seems people think poorly of her.
I think poorly of both Drax and Gamora tbh.

Actually in the same arc where Nova Prime casually toyed with Drax a holding back depowered phalanx infected Nova had no problem handling Gamora in close combat. So I won't hold that showing against Drax since Gamora did visibly worse and she was armed.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I think poorly of both Drax and Gamora tbh.

lol

i gained some new respect for drax based on this thread, but yeah, neither seem to be terribly impressive overall.

They are budget Iron Fist and Luke Cage.

lol i guess they sort of are.... i wonder if godslayer could cut luke?

Alright, I left out 2-3 instances where she's just firing a gun, but here is every page where she does something ever since Bendis started writing her. They all should be in order, and if they seem like the next page went nowhere, then that's because that is all she did that comic or instance.

Low showings, "high showings", and showings where she just swings a sword. I left out pages where she is just holding a sword and angling it... she did that a few times.

To note:

She has no healing factor, and has died from a gutshot (see Other Guys 2). She hasn't used any pressure points. She has no actual wins over an established character. She has no real showings of pure h2h. She gets hit more than she should. She has killed a lot of fodder. Her cosmic amp where she was "massively" amped is also a disappointment. Probably the worst section considering it amounted to nothing.

Her best showings IMO are the Carol fight in which Carol is holding back, and the Ultimates, in which they are also holding back. She doesn't have "terrible showings", but she has basically accomplished nothing. Gone are the days she could kick a She Hulk to sleep.

So, is she the same level as the girl who physically matched Ronan and tanked a sun? That's up for you to decide. Enjoy.



Brain Mikal Bangbus:
https://imgur.com/a/dndBJr7


Other Guys 1:
https://imgur.com/a/uo3mkow



Other Guys 2:
https://imgur.com/a/7j38xRC


Amp:
https://imgur.com/a/wtUhdrO

goddamn that is...A LOT of work. will go through but if your summary is on point about no HF that is a big disadvantage right there and a significant downgrade in and of itself. also...really phukin dumb but it would highlight a significant difference between the 2 versions by itself. gamora w/HF and gamora wo/HF. that would be an easy distinction to make.

this thread has been quite a win imo in terms of providing actual info about the characters involved.

Should've just dismissed Bran's entire post, tbh.

Poor Leo.

Originally posted by leonidas
goddamn that is...A LOT of work. will go through but if your summary is on point about no HF that is a big disadvantage right there and a significant downgrade in and of itself. also...really phukin dumb but it would highlight a significant difference between the 2 versions by itself. gamora w/HF and gamora wo/HF. that would be an easy distinction to make.

this thread has been quite a win imo in terms of providing actual info about the characters involved. Maybe it was said somewhere that I missed, but there's two cases where it would have really came in handy, and there's an instance where she's scarred up and struggling to take off her clothes.

Her healing seems that of your average comic character with no HF. No healing from Wolverine's gutshot or from the sun to be had anymore.


Annihilation Gamora would likely win. Though I don't think she's stronger. Pre Annihilation Gamora has a shot. Now? She really hasn't done much if anything to show she could take him out or even outskill him. Even in the instances where she displays good agility, Drax will come up with a pretty good strength feat later on in the same story.

Even when she was at her peak, that stab put her down.

But gamtards were all like: CHEAPSHOT AND SHE TANKED THE SUN

Lol, took her considerable time to recover from sun shit.

True, but at least she had a confirmed one. Now she wakes up in beds from lesser things.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Should've just dismissed Bran's entire post, tbh.

which one is the question. mmm

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Poor Leo.

lol yep, poor me. bran admits classic gamora would likely win--you know, like i was arguing. this newer version who DOES seem different? i hadn't seen enough to form an opinion so bran and slash provided info and now i understand their pov's.

more threads need to end so poorly for me. what's really too bad is that the thread starter didn't specify the version to be used. but now he knows. see, we all learned something.

Classic Gam was a big pile of shit wanked only by some classic KMCers, like ODG. OMG 97.8% MARTIAL ARTZ OF THE GALAXIEZZ!!!!!

In fact, she's done nothing other than nerve-striking/cheapshotting some pre-occupied opponents. She was less of a threat than Black Cat.

Originally posted by leonidas

i gained some new respect for drax based on this thread, but yeah, neither seem to be terribly impressive overall.
Drax "feats" don't hold up under a microscope though. His big claim to fame is a pretty questionable showing. Lunatik was clearly in a much weaker form after his time in the Kyln, and they didn't really fight. Hand Deadpool, Blade, Captain America, Black Panther, Batman or any elite street an adamantium blade and they do the same thing. I went through this with B.A.V. a long time ago.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=633984&pagenumber=1

Drax ain't shit tbh.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Classic Gam was a big pile of shit wanked only by some classic KMCers, like ODG. OMG 97.8% MARTIAL ARTZ OF THE GALAXIEZZ!!!!!

In fact, she's done nothing other than nerve-striking/cheapshotting some pre-occupied opponents. She was less of a threat than Black Cat.


Gamora was never the beast certain fans wished she was. Annihilation Gamora is the outlier.

this thread just keeps on giving. i've never cared one way or the other about her really, but i think she had enough good showings to warrant her being in the high meta tier. this current incarnation should likely be low or mid meta, and it seems like drax should be around that same level more than likely.

Originally posted by leonidas
her being in the high meta tier.



Originally posted by leonidas
current incarnation should likely be low or mid meta



Low street, leo. Lower than you when you're doing groceries for your wife.

This all smells like old ass kmc for me. When you had to work hard to prove Wolverine's a low meta despite hundreds of on-panel statements and showings. But someone like Gamora was instantly zomfg low herald at least, she's so awesome.!#^&!&*#^&!#^

LOOK HOW SHE SNEAK ATTACKED ZORDAN, THAT COSMIC NOBODY FROM LEO'S CLOSET THAT NOBODY RECOGNIZES

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All serious now. Those times are not coming back, leo. Gamora loses to Jarvis.

Originally posted by leonidas
this thread just keeps on giving. i've never cared one way or the other about her really, but i think she had enough good showings to warrant her being in the high meta tier. this current incarnation should likely be low or mid meta, and it seems like drax should be around that same level more than likely. not really. Cutrent drax has actually shrugged off punches from Terrax as well as fin fang Foom and several of his brothers. He shrugged off an explosion that downed iron man. He's closer to high meta.

doesn't sound like it according to style but maybe i guess. maybe the lower end of high meta but you didn't show him shrugging off punches from fff, though foom's feats and level are pretty much all over the place anyway.

@stilt--just takes one writer and she's back to...wherever she was. too many characters changing these last few years to rule anything out. and hopefully, at some point, drax and gamora will come to blows and settle the matter.

I'd take Drax. Close though. They're like the male and female versions of each other. Redundant power sets and power levels.

Originally posted by leonidas
doesn't sound like it according to style but maybe i guess. maybe the lower end of high meta but you didn't show him shrugging off punches from fff, though foom's feats and level are pretty much all over the place anyway.

@stilt--just takes one writer and she's back to...wherever she was. too many characters changing these last few years to rule anything out. and hopefully, at some point, drax and gamora will come to blows and settle the matter. I'd suggest reading his miniseries from 20(16?). He got some very nice feats. He was walking off punches from Terrax as well as FFF. Also Terrax was one of my favorite characters in his mini.

Originally posted by leonidas
@stilt--just takes one writer and she's back to...wherever she was. too many characters changing these last few years to rule anything out. and hopefully, at some point, drax and gamora will come to blows and settle the matter.

A cheap Wolverine knock off, that's what she was.

Metal skeleton? Check.

Healing factor? Check.

Enhanced physicals? Check.

"Mastered every martial art there is" thing? Check.

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Yeah, surprised they haven't fought already.

i don't think that was what she was originally intended to be though when starlin made her up. with the popularity of logan in the 80s not hard to believe they wanted a female version. seeing gamora go against laura would be pretty cool--or would have been. maybe still would be. who knows or cares anymore. lol

Originally posted by deathslash
I'd suggest reading his miniseries from 20(16?). He got some very nice feats. He was walking off punches from Terrax as well as FFF. Also Terrax was one of my favorite characters in his mini.
Terrax had a collar on that completely shut off his powers.

Like I said, Drax's feats don't really hold up under scrutiny.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
A cheap Wolverine knock off, that's what she was.

Metal skeleton? Check.

Healing factor? Check.

Enhanced physicals? Check.

"Mastered every martial art there is" thing? Check.

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Yeah, surprised they haven't fought already.
They don't want her to get diced by Logan.