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The Main Man.

Gladiator rips his head off.

Then gets KO'd by headless Lobo.

Gladiator is strong but he sucks at fighting. Lobo will beat him

Gladiator is physically stronger

If any character can deflate Gladiator's sense of confidence it would be Lobo. It could go either way, but I'd imagine that once Gladiator hits Lobo with what he thinks should be killing assaults and Lobo is still standing there mocking him, he'd begin to doubt himself and get beaten to death, or near death.

first of all, i dont think so, thats your opinion. secondly, being stronger doesnt mean shit if the strength gap is not significant, and when the other guy is the better fighter. of course, lobo being a better fighter is my opinion already. however, the point i made is clear. this is not a lifting contest.

Originally posted by cdtm
Gladiator rips his head off.

Then gets KO'd by headless Lobo.

Or after Gladiator rips his head off, he then freezes Lobo body. Definitely count as a forum win.

Originally posted by cdtm
Gladiator rips his head off.

Then gets KO'd by headless Lobo.
Ok that was pretty good.

Originally posted by Dareangel
first of all, i dont think so, thats your opinion. secondly, being stronger doesnt mean shit if the strength gap is not significant, and when the other guy is the better fighter. of course, lobo being a better fighter is my opinion already. however, the point i made is clear. this is not a lifting contest. strength does matter though. If I can lift 250 pounds and you can only lift 100 pounds, any part of a fight between us that involves grappling (you'd be surprised how often fights do) would naturally favor me. That's not to say that Gladiator is twice as strong as lobo, but with his slight strength edge, fair speed edge, and significant ranged edge, Gladiator can win this.

Originally posted by deathslash
strength does matter though. If I can lift 250 pounds and you can only lift 100 pounds, any part of a fight between us that involves grappling (you'd be surprised how often fights do) would naturally favor me. That's not to say that Gladiator is twice as strong as lobo, but with his slight strength edge, fair speed edge, and significant ranged edge, Gladiator can win this.

the example you brought is meaningless in this situation. you brought an example of a wide range strength between humans. actually more than twice strong. for 2 average guys, thats a big gap. however, when you take someone like lobo and gladiator, even if they have some strength gap, its not twice as much, and it doesnt make much difference compared to skills. for example, look how namor can step up to guys who are clearly stronger than him. best example is heavyweights in boxing or MMA. there is a super heavyweight class where everybody above 91 kilograms can fight each other. why? because once you reach a specific level of weight and strength, you can knock out the other guy as much as he can knock you out. once again, the amount of weight you can lift, in this situation is much inferior to the skill factor. and in the skill factor, gladiator falls. and to be honest, i dont believe gladiator is stronger than lobo either. i just used it as an example of why the strength gap wont matter. however, once again, i dont believe gladiator to be stronger than lobo.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Gladiator is physically stronger

Let's ask someone who's just as strong as Gladiator:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b98e91de42dfc6f033d531b1e17fd206-c

Originally posted by deathslash
strength does matter though. If I can lift 250 pounds and you can only lift 100 pounds, any part of a fight between us that involves grappling (you'd be surprised how often fights do) would naturally favor me. That's not to say that Gladiator is twice as strong as lobo, but with his slight strength edge, fair speed edge, and significant ranged edge, Gladiator can win this. What if you can only deadlift 250 pounds and he can db curl 100 pounds?

Originally posted by cdtm
Let's ask someone who's just as strong as Gladiator:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b98e91de42dfc6f033d531b1e17fd206-c

EARLY EARLY Superman is nowhere as strong as gladiator stop

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
EARLY EARLY Superman is nowhere as strong as gladiator stop
Why?

that version of superman wasn't even planetary, let's not reach here and act like that superman won't get his ass beaten by Gladiator. Gladiator bloodied Jane, that's far more impressive that what that superman's done

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
that version of superman wasn't even planetary, let's not reach here and act like that superman won't get his ass beaten by Gladiator. Gladiator bloodied Jane, that's far more impressive that what that superman's done
Is that so? Why don't you post feats and let's see who has better feats?

Why would bloodying Jane be such a good feat?

Sh!t just got real.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is that so? Why don't you post feats and let's see who has better feats?

Why would bloodying Jane be such a good feat?

Casually crushed Quasar constructs which was able to hold off Galactus temporarily, defeated Vulcan, and beat nova prime

What did THIS version of Superman DO?

I think we should compare Lobo feats to Gladiators to be honest.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is that so? Why don't you post feats and let's see who has better feats?

Why would bloodying Jane be such a good feat?

Yes, lets derail this into another abhi superman cock stroke, please!

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Casually crushed Quasar constructs which was able to hold off Galactus temporarily, defeated Vulcan, and beat nova prime

Quasar didn't use his hardest constructs against Gladiator and even Thing has broken his construct.

Superman casually oneshotted Maxima and punched out Lar Gand.

Also it was Nova Centurion Dick Rider. Not Nova Prime.

Everything better than Gladiator.

abhi Cock stroke...awaaaay.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Quasar didn't use his hardest constructs against Gladiator and even Thing has broken his construct.

Superman casually oneshotted Maxima and punched out Lar Gand.

Also it was Nova Centurion Dick Rider. Not Nova Prime.

Everything better than Gladiator.

lmao dumbass Richard Rider IS Nova Prime, Quasar was pretty serious against Glads, I cna post the fight if you want

Oh, the same Maxima who's just a city level telepath? her durability is pretty fodder. punching Lar grand is supposed to mean what exactly? I bet you can't even post a planetary feat for that time of superman we're discussing

I think that's about it for my Marc viewing. Yin and Yang every thread. Can't read this shit anymore.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
lmao dumbass Richard Rider IS Nova Prime, Quasar was pretty serious against Glads, I cna post the fight if you want

Not at the time Gladiator fought him.

Sure, go ahead.

And Vulcan has what exactly in terms of durability?

Sure I can. Why don't you post those feats?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is that so? Why don't you post feats and let's see who has better feats?

Why would bloodying Jane be such a good feat? can you please do us all a favor and not drag this conversation into left field with your insatiable need to suck off Superman?

That's not me who started it.

Anyway Lobo wins.

I don't think Gladiator can match Lobo's looney tune feats.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not me who started it.

Anyway Lobo wins. *sigh

If you're going to say things that only kindergartners say, then I guess there's not much that I can do. It's probably too much to ask that you occasionally turn the other cheek, but seriously, can you please stop being the drunk Randy at everyone else's baseball game?

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Not at the time Gladiator fought him.

Sure, go ahead.

And Vulcan has what exactly in terms of durability?

Sure I can. Why don't you post those feats?

What has Lar GRAND done in terms of durability?

sure, your turn.

http://i.imgur.com/Tj7dmnm.jpg

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
What has Lar GRAND done in terms of durability?

sure, your turn.

http://i.imgur.com/Tj7dmnm.jpg phuck's sake man. I just got him to stop.

Originally posted by deathslash
phuck's sake man. I just got him to stop.
Its okay, i reported the thread, so maybe a mod can sort this shit (and them) out.

Gladiator dominates.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Gladiator dominates.
Gud post Bazie.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
What has Lar GRAND done in terms of durability?

sure, your turn.

http://i.imgur.com/Tj7dmnm.jpg

Better than anything Rich Rider has done. Dude ripped out a white dwarf star out after all.

Sure.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Some info on the feat in the Superman:earth stealers.

First the earth and moon were not hold by any gravity-nullifying beam, they were just grabbed by an energy net which was bigger than entire earth-moon system

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0005.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0006.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0007.jpg

According to superman it must've been made by all the resources of a whole star system

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0010.jpg

Check out its size

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0012.jpg

This happened the first time superman went through hyper-space, he was almost drained of all his strength

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0015.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0017.jpg

Also when superman went to moving the ship, its engines were almost drained

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0041.jpg

Then superman went through hyperspace and restored both earth and moon to its places, the ship ONLY directed them

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_sup_tes__0043.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_sup_tes__0044.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_sup_tes__0045.jpg

Its an insane feat any way you cut it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Better than anything Rich Rider has done. Dude ripped out a white dwarf star out after all.

Sure.

so pushing a moon is impressive now?

Damn, you 2 are dumb as dog shit, arent you.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
so pushing a moon is impressive now?
Pushing Earth and moon is.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Better than anything Rich Rider has done. Dude ripped out a white dwarf star out after all.

Sure.
Hasn't this been debunked?

Debunked by who?

While Rich wasn't actually "Nova Prime" when he and Glads fought, it's worth mentioning that he was a "Centurion Prime" which was supposed to be significantly more powerful than his classic incarnation. The whole reason he and Glads fought was because it was Kal's job to test how well he handled his new level of power.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Pushing Earth and moon is.

and yet he's struggled to push earth later years

Is this my fault?

I was trying to rep Lobo with the "too strong.. too fast" line.

Didn't mean to set them off and drag this through the mud.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Debunked by who?
By everyone who read the story.


























Properly.

"Better than anything Rich Rider has done. "

Prove that claim right now. Prove how Lar grand have better durability feats

and Yes, I just used the search function. that earth+moon feat's been debunked already. abhi do you by any chance recycle debunked outdated feats because you can't find any more?

Originally posted by cdtm
Is this my fault?

I was trying to rep Lobo with the "too strong.. too fast" line.

Didn't mean to set them off and drag this through the mud. yes, it is your fault. You're faced with two options now; an hero and die with dignity, or sell all of your comics and movies on eBay for a really cheap price and live forever in shame.

Prove to me u used the search function.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
By everyone who read the story.


























Properly.
Again, by whom?

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
"Better than anything Rich Rider has done. "

Prove that claim right now. Prove how Lar grand have better durability feats

Are we including pre "five years later" here? Because I believe "Lar" is something they started calling him post 5yl, and before Zero Hour. Along with "Valor".

The star pushing feat is pre, ftr.

Anyways, the Atomic Axe not lopping off his arm is one of his better durability feats.

Originally posted by deathslash
yes, it is your fault. You're faced with two options now; an hero and die with dignity, or sell all of your comics and movies on eBay for a really cheap price and live forever in shame.

Look up "Tourney "british word for smokes".

Best article on the site.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
and yet he's struggled to push earth later years
Just like Gladiator struggles in almost every comic. Originally posted by Baziemarc123
"Better than anything Rich Rider has done. "

Prove that claim right now. Prove how Lar grand have better durability feats
Easy, he has ripped apart white dwarf star and even tanked it thrown on him. Originally posted by Baziemarc123
and Yes, I just used the search function. that earth+moon feat's been debunked already. abhi do you by any chance recycle debunked outdated feats because you can't find any more?
Mind showing it then?

Originally posted by riv6672
Damn, you 2 are dumb as dog shit, arent you.

Stay classy.

I've reported cdtm

Originally posted by Zack M
Stay classy.

The gentlest bear in the world will only take being poked with a stick for so long...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Again, by whom?
Anyways...

That ship generated a kind of null field that cancelled out mass/gravity. It's how the ship was able to tow planets to that gigantic star sized base.

He'll one of ure own scans show Superman making a sort of explanation for it.

This is the pertinent scan u conveniently left out.
https://i.imgur.com/SDojyKH.jpg

Abhi always leaves things out, thats his MO

But that should make Superman equally massless.

So how did he push the massless ship with his massless body?

Dunno. Comic skience? Whatever waackadoo explanation they used, the book was clear on the reasons why the planets could be towed.

The ship was massless too, but it towed the moon and earth didn't it?

Originally posted by riv6672
Damn, you 2 are dumb as dog shit, arent you. Warned for bashing dog shit

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Anyways...

That ship generated a kind of null field that cancelled out mass/gravity. It's how the ship was able to tow planets to that gigantic star sized base.

He'll one of ure own scans show Superman making a sort of explanation for it.

This is the pertinent scan u conveniently left out.
https://i.imgur.com/SDojyKH.jpg
You conveniently left out the part where the ship had lost all its power and couldn't tow the earth/moon system anymore.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0041.jpg

Not to mention the ship was said to only provide the direction to where Earth and Moon should be. Nothing else.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0043.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0044.jpg


http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0045.jpg


Because by your logic, the ship and all its cargo should be weightless. So why was Superman even struggling?

Originally posted by Badabing
Warned for bashing dog shit

Well at least someone got warned, dammit.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Dunno. Comic skience? Whatever waackadoo explanation they used, the book was clear on the reasons why the planets could be towed.

The ship was massless too, but it towed the moon and earth didn't it?
Right, so Superman struggled to move massless Earth, moon and the ship?

Must be some comic book science.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You conveniently left out the part where the ship had lost all its power and couldn't tow the earth/moon system anymore.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0041.jpg

Not to mention the ship was said to only provide the direction to where Earth and Moon should be. Nothing else.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0043.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0044.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0045.jpg


Because by your logic, the ship and all its cargo should be weightless. So why was Superman even struggling?
Why would I leave out scans u already posted? Lol.... I don't think u know how that phrase works.

Anyways, it's all right there. The nullifying field was still there. The astronauts first described it, Supes later explained it. He even added he was incapable of towing it under normal circumstances.



Originally posted by abhilegend
Right, so Superman struggled to move massless Earth, moon and the ship?

Must be some comic book science.
Doesn't matter with however much he struggled. It's all explained. If u wanna reach for this one go ahead.










DEBUNKED.

^^^All caps seems pretty convincing

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^All caps seems pretty convincing
not as convincing as the actual comic.

^^^lol true!

Reading this hot mess of a thread must be what its like to watch THE BACHELORETTE.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Why would I leave out scans u already posted? Lol.... I don't think u know how that phrase works.

Anyways, it's all right there. The nullifying field was still there. The astronauts first described it, Supes later explained it. He even added he was incapable of towing it under normal circumstances.




Doesn't matter with however much he struggled. It's all explained. If u wanna reach for this one go ahead.










DEBUNKED.
The astronauts never described the net being able to nullify mass. Just the ship being massless.

Also Superman hoped that the gravity was nullified. It's not a confirmation.

Superman also said he can't survive hyperspace and yet he did. It's just a story where Superman did what was said to be impossible. Not that he pushed a ship, Earth and Moon being massless.

There is no proof of that and you being butthurt about it (as usual) has no bearing on it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The astronauts never described the net being able to nullify mass. Just the ship being massless.

Also Superman hoped that the gravity was nullified. It's not a confirmation.

Superman also said he can't survive hyperspace and yet he did. It's just a story where Superman did what was said to be impossible. Not that he pushed a ship, Earth and Moon being massless.

There is no proof of that and you being butthurt about it (as usual) has no bearing on it.
facepalm
If the book can't convince u, nothing will.

Lol. Who are u Donald Trump? Throwing in this hyperspace argument that no one is arguing about...?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
facepalm
If the book can't convince u, nothing will.

Lol. Who are u Donald Trump? Throwing in this hyperspace argument that no one is arguing about...?
Concession accepted. Move along.

So what do u think happened?

Did he tow the earth/moon system plus the ship without any extenuating circumstances? Just want to legit understand what u think happened in the scene.

Haha Abhil 0, reading comprehension 1.

i think the score is a lot more lopsided than that.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So what do u think happened?

Did he tow the earth/moon system plus the ship without any extenuating circumstances? Just want to legit understand what u think happened in the scene.
So you think Superman struggled with massless planet and ship?

I'm still waiting for the proof where the energy net nullified Earth's mass. Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Haha Abhil 0, reading comprehension 1.


You of all people shouldn't talk about reading comprehension ragey boy.

Originally posted by leonidas
i think the score is a lot more lopsided than that.
Your face is more lopsided than that!

Byrne deliberately 'snuck ' in a Pre-Crisiis esque planet moving feat there over editorial trying to ban that type of stuff for a more Marvelized Classs 100 portrayal.. Superman's limits are defined by his self belief and force of will.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you think Superman struggled with massless planet and ship?

I'm still waiting for the proof where the energy net nullified Earth's mass.


Put two and two together. Don't worry it'll come to you.
https://i.imgur.com/SDojyKH.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0043.jpg





So again...
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So what do u think happened?

Did he tow the earth/moon system plus the ship without any extenuating circumstances? Just want to legit understand what u think happened in the scene.

Proof. Glorious.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Put two and two together. Don't worry it'll come to you.
https://i.imgur.com/SDojyKH.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0043.jpg





So again...
So the ship, Earth and everything was massless? Why would Superman struggle to move the ship along with the planet?

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0043.jpg

Hoping for the planet to be massless does not means it's massless my dear idiot.

Abhi does not grasp what words mean.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So the ship, Earth and everything was massless? Why would Superman struggle to move the ship along with the planet?

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0043.jpg

Hoping for the planet to be massless does not means it's massless my dear idiot.

Insane.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So the ship, Earth and everything was massless? Why would Superman struggle to move the ship along with the planet?


Hoping for the planet to be massless does not means it's massless my dear idiot.
Name calling so soon? Tsk tsk...

To answer your question, most likely(?). If they weren't completely massless, the energy field that was reiterated throughout the book neutralized mass/gravity to such a degree that it enables a vessel to tow whole planets and even planet/moon systems.

1. The Astronauts' instruments show that something had 0 mass. As to what they were describing, to be honest I'm not sure since Byrne's lines were a bit all over the place. It could have been the ship, the earth/moon system, the energy sphere, or the whole sphere including ship and system for all we know.
Fact is something had caused something to have 0 mass.

2. Superman noticed that the vessel was generating an energy field around itself and the earth/moon system.

3. The ship was able to tow the whole earth/moon system. Wow the earth and moon must have high herald level durability to withstand such an ordeal and the ship's engine must be producing trans tier level power to be able to rip the system from its normal gravitational path.

4. Supes admits he lacks the power to "push planets around".

5. He posits that the "holding field" can neutralize the mass of the planets being moved. And he further adds that the same mechanism keeps the planets from being ripped apart by "gravitational flux of movement".


Which brings us back to....

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So what do u think happened?

Did he tow the earth/moon system plus the ship without any extenuating circumstances? Just want to legit understand what u think happened in the scene.

Just checking in on the shenanigans.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Name calling so soon? Tsk tsk...

To answer your question, most likely(?). If they weren't completely massless, the energy field that was reiterated throughout the book neutralized mass/gravity to such a degree that it enables a vessel to tow whole planets and even planet/moon systems.

So it's now partially massless? To what degree and where is the proof?

That was before the ship had towed the earth and moon. So unless you think Earth and Moon have zero mass by default, it can be the ship only.



To tow both.

Comic book science as you so succinctly put.

That was a theme in Byrne run. Superman often claimed he couldn't do something but yet did that just the same.



He hoped, not said it. Hoping isn't confirming something.

You being an idiot?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So it's now partially massless? To what degree and where is the proof?

That was before the ship had towed the earth and moon. So unless you think Earth and Moon have zero mass by default, it can be the ship only.



To tow both.

Comic book science as you so succinctly put.

That was a theme in Byrne run. Superman often claimed he couldn't do something but yet did that just the same.



He hoped, not said it. Hoping isn't confirming something.

You being an idiot?
Which is why I leaned ship and mentioned it in the first place.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17

The ship was massless too, but it towed the moon and earth didn't it?

Then...? We know the ship generated that nullifying field on itself as well as the earth/moon system. The same field that neutralized mass/gravity.

Which brings us back to...
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So what do u think happened?

Did he tow the earth/moon system plus the ship without any extenuating circumstances? Just want to legit understand what u think happened in the scene.

And yes... Comic book science as in gravity/mass neutralizing field in order to move planets around.
Sad thing is this was pretty straight forward.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Which is why I leaned ship and mentioned it in the first place.


Then...? We know the ship generated that nullifying field on itself as well as the earth/moon system. The same field that neutralized mass/gravity.

Which brings us back to...

From where did you make the leap of logic? The ship was massless so Earth and Moon must be too?

What kind of nonsense is that?

Except there is no proof of that and you still haven't answered why Superman would struggle to move massless planet, moon and ship.

This is interesting.

I don't agree with abhi, and I've always seen this as their mass being nullified - but him pointing out that the ship wasn't mass-less is a very good point that pretty much short-circuited the other side into incoherence.

I like how he went from "full nullified" to "partially nullified" to "full nullified" in one page.

Trust rage to dick ride any Thorbag on anything though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I like how he went from "full nullified" to "partially nullified" to "full nullified" in one page.

Trust rage to dick ride any Thorbag on anything though.

It's why I said it's incoherent.

If he's consistent, he'd have stayed on what he used as evidence - that it has no mass. Now, that it clearly has a mass, and he's backed into a corner, he can't go back and say 'well, the scientists were wrong, maybe it has a bit of mass'.

Sweet, a new day of spam!

facepalm

Lol backed into a corner. Again u are trying to salvage the unsalvageable. I know he's ure boyfriend and all , but It's a sinking ship. Might as well continue to argue that Supergirl went into a black hole for the hell of it then came out.

U are arguing about the minutiae of whether the planets had 0 mass? The fact of the matter is mass/gravity was neutralized.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
The fact of the matter is mass/gravity was neutralized. If it was neutralized, it would be weightless and a 3-year old kid with flight could move it.

Superman was clearly putting in effort:
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0043.jpg

You got completely flabbergasted here and you're talking like a short-circuited robot.
How does this not compute?

Superman was actually rubbing himself on *unnngh* that *uuuhhhnnh* ship.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Superman was actually rubbing himself on *unnngh* that *uuuhhhnnh* ship. To be fair, I'd get a hard-on if I was saving the entire Earth, too.

I'll address the earth+moon feat soon.

LMAO the first scan alone debunks the entire thing

Superman: I have nothing like the power to push planets around

His own words, PERIOD.

But if it was marvel "HURR DURR HYPERBOLE"

Stop the hypocrism. Superman even confirmed himself he didn't move the planets, no need for the suppositions

Always amusing to see Phildo squirm when defending the indefensible.

Based SOLELY on Abhi's descriptions, I'm figuring the following thus far....

The ship, it's longer than the moon, it's also somewhat hollow, it also doesn't have the same volume as the moon.

Check it (rough calculations):

Volume of Moon = 4/3 x pi x r^3 = 4.187 x 1079.5 miles ^3 = 5 266 672 639 cubic miles.

Volume of Space Ship = 3.14 x r^2 x length = 3.14 x 300 mile radius x 3000 miles long = 847 800 000 cubic miles.

Assuming I have all of the calculations correct, the Moon has a volume about 6.5 times greater than the ship. The moon is also solid, the ship is not. Granted, the ship is probably made of heavier material, but realistically, the ship isn't going to be quite the same mass as the moon, unless the comic states such.

When he says 'Cannibalized an entire system's resources', he's talking about building a ship that size...which is presumably made of metals, various rare earths, and other things. But not all of the carbon, the silica, and other things that make up a system are going into the ship. Basically, it doesn't weigh as much as a whole system (impossible, anyway, if it's only a little bigger than the moon and not made of depleted uranium or something).

Originally posted by celeyhyga17



Always amusing to see Phildo squirm when defending the indefensible.

Superman did not believe he had the power to move planets. which is why he 100% made up in his mind that the mass was cancelled, in order to justify his ability to do so to overcome his self doubt. Byrne was sneaking in a Pre-Crisis level feat past editorial.

Nah, the scan makes it clear.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah, the scan makes it clear.

Yes, It does.

per Byrne, his Superman's self doubt would have prevented him from moving the planets. fabricating an explanation allowed him to overcome that established aspect of his powerset per Byrne.

But please, let's see how obtuse you are.

Did you really just make that up?

Panthergod, not sure why you still beat your head on these particular walls, lol.

and I'll wait til' somebody address this

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Based SOLELY on Abhi's descriptions, I'm figuring the following thus far....

The ship, it's longer than the moon, it's also somewhat hollow, it also doesn't have the same volume as the moon.

Check it (rough calculations):

Volume of Moon = 4/3 x pi x r^3 = 4.187 x 1079.5 miles ^3 = 5 266 672 639 cubic miles.

Volume of Space Ship = 3.14 x r^2 x length = 3.14 x 300 mile radius x 3000 miles long = 847 800 000 cubic miles.

Assuming I have all of the calculations correct, the Moon has a volume about 6.5 times greater than the ship. The moon is also solid, the ship is not. Granted, the ship is probably made of heavier material, but realistically, the ship isn't going to be quite the same mass as the moon, unless the comic states such.

When he says 'Cannibalized an entire system's resources', he's talking about building a ship that size...which is presumably made of metals, various rare earths, and other things. But not all of the carbon, the silica, and other things that make up a system are going into the ship. Basically, it doesn't weigh as much as a whole system (impossible, anyway, if it's only a little bigger than the moon and not made of depleted uranium or something).


I'll view the photobucket links later, and address that too.

Lmao these dudes ignore you when they get tired of getting debunked, just like I exposed abhi lies in 2 seperate threads at the same time to the point he couldn't prove his point and had to put the "I'M GONNA IGNORE YOU BECAUSE I WAS PROVEN WRONG AND DON'T HAVE A REBUTTAL!" button lmaoo

@panthergod, that's an absolute made up lie. Prove it right now, I've read more Superman than you and have never heard about anything like that

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
@panthergod, that's an absolute made up lie. Prove it right now, I've read more Superman than you and have never heard about anything like that The floor is his so since he made that claim the onus is on him to provide the interview otherwise he just pretends and this will hurt his credibility.

I'm really legit curious as to how people interpret that scene. For years that feat has been peddled by Abhi as a holy shiet type of feat. He brings it out every now and then and some people go oooh ahhh (w/some ejaculation involved) because he usually presents it simply as Superman literally tugging a huge ship, along with the earth/moon system.

Maybe it's just me, but the way it was presented, it ranks up there with the classic non feats. Maybe the best fans can hope for is that Byrne Supes survived a space warp while tugging something "sort of heavy"?

I don't see it as a pure strength feat. It's unquantifiable, to me.

This is retarded. Superman admits he cant move worlds but ABHI is neglecting common sense. Let it been Thor saying this or Surfer, ABHI would ride that statement until the end of KMC existence. He's a hypocrite.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I'm really legit curious as to how people interpret that scene. For years that feat has been peddled by Abhi as a holy shiet type of feat. He brings it out every now and then and some people go oooh ahhh (w/some ejaculation involved) because he usually presents it simply as Superman literally tugging a huge ship, along with the earth/moon system.

Maybe it's just me, but the way it was presented, it ranks up there with the classic non feats. Maybe the best fans can hope for is that Byrne Supes survived a space warp while tugging something "sort of heavy"?

It's not a ft. At all.

If we're talking about Pre Flashpoint Superman entire continuity, he ARGUABLY has about 2 feats that's above planetary without taking it out of context.

Most feats you see from Superman that people argue it's skyfather, or "solar system level" or so it's the usual known out of context ones that's been recycled and destroyed on forums like the holding black hole feat, and source wall for example

The guy is consistently portrayed as a planetary force threat at his highest, and that's coming from someone whos read ALOT of his issues including his solo

Originally posted by carver9
This is retarded. Superman admits he cant move worlds but ABHI is neglecting common sense. Let it been Thor saying this or Surfer, ABHI would ride that statement until the end of KMC existence. He's a hypocrite.

Superman didn't know how powerful he was Post Crisis,and his powers are based on his mental state, as Byrne showed time and time again, and outright stated.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Did you really just make that up?

No. It's a subplot of his entire run regarding Superman's power. Not up for debate.

Originally posted by panthergod
Superman didn't know how powerful he was Post Crisis,and his powers are based on his mental state, as Byrne showed time and time again, and outright stated. Cite the interview.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
@panthergod, that's an absolute made up lie. Prove it right now, I've read more Superman than you and have never heard about anything like that

All you're proven is that you don't read Superman comics, or are a hilariously poor reader. And that's ok.

Yes, This scene was meant to display Earth-Moon system power via implication. It's laughable that people are still pretending.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Based SOLELY on Abhi's descriptions, I'm figuring the following thus far....

The ship, it's longer than the moon, it's also somewhat hollow, it also doesn't have the same volume as the moon.

Check it (rough calculations):

Volume of Moon = 4/3 x pi x r^3 = 4.187 x 1079.5 miles ^3 = 5 266 672 639 cubic miles.

Volume of Space Ship = 3.14 x r^2 x length = 3.14 x 300 mile radius x 3000 miles long = 847 800 000 cubic miles.

Assuming I have all of the calculations correct, the Moon has a volume about 6.5 times greater than the ship. The moon is also solid, the ship is not. Granted, the ship is probably made of heavier material, but realistically, the ship isn't going to be quite the same mass as the moon, unless the comic states such.

When he says 'Cannibalized an entire system's resources', he's talking about building a ship that size...which is presumably made of metals, various rare earths, and other things. But not all of the carbon, the silica, and other things that make up a system are going into the ship. Basically, it doesn't weigh as much as a whole system (impossible, anyway, if it's only a little bigger than the moon and not made of depleted uranium or something).

Then address this Panthergod

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
If we're talking about Pre Flashpoint Superman entire continuity, he ARGUABLY has about 2 feats that's above planetary without taking it out of context.

Most feats you see from Superman that people argue it's skyfather, or "solar system level" or so it's the usual known out of context ones that's been recycled and destroyed on forums like the holding black hole feat, and source wall for example

The guy is consistently portrayed as a planetary force threat at his highest, and that's coming from someone whos read ALOT of his issues including his solo

Superman contained solar system destroying force in that black hole example. Again-- not up for debate to us literate people.

You read virtually no Superman comics to make that claim at this point, kid.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Then address this Panthergod

I couldn't possibly care less about your fabrications.

Superman actually didn't contain anything, but i'll save that argument for another time.

Hopefully you don't put me on ignore when I destroy that notion

Originally posted by panthergod
I couldn't possibly care less about your fabrications.

concession accepted then

Lol

During Bryne's Era, Superman was nowhere near that powerful to actually accomplish a feat like that, He powered up later, following his 'death' at the hands of Doomsday.

Byrne, the creator of the Post-Crisis Superman:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/JohnByrne-SupermansstrenghthI-asstrongashebelievesheis.jpg

Superman's power-level is detemined by his Force of Will:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20FebAction%20585%20-powered%20by%20lifeforce%20and%20will/th_ac_585_09.jpg


Superman's powerlevels go down and up again due to his mind:

Wolfman and Ordway

While unconscious he's invulnerable, while awake(with amnesia thus forgetting his powers) he goes down to being hurt by firel:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/02-%20Adventures%20of%20Superman%20426/th_AdventuresOfSuperman426p05.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/02-%20Adventures%20of%20Superman%20426/th_AdventuresOfSuperman426p06.jpg

Superman's holding back factor is not simple him pulling his punches, when he access his internal powers he gets more durable, etc.

He regains his power-levels-- due to beleieving he's mroe powerful thanks to Darkseid;s mental influence:

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations4.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations5.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations6.jpg

..Well yeah that's what happens when every hero stops holding back...

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
During Bryne's Era, Superman was nowhere near that powerful to actually accomplish a feat like that, He powered up later, following his 'death' at the hands of Doomsday.

.. due to his mental state and self belief, as the DoS aftermath make 100% clear in Adventures 500 per PA Kent, and which Jurgens went out of his way to make clear again time and time again, including in Infinite Crisis. with a stronger more confident midnset, Post Crisis Superman beats DD clealn, as is stronger than ever.

Byrne is the guy who started that concept Post Crisis. Subtextually, Post Crisis Superman IS the Pre Crisis Superman, albeit with a self limited humanized mindset due to having his history altered and born on Earth and raised among humans.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
..Well yeah that's what happens when every hero stops holding back...

So.. just lying, then.

Prove that exact claim, then.

Superman entire powerset was changed. He doesnt have that psi field anymore or the telekinetic ability anymore. With that said, your scans are irrelevant.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman entire powerset was changed. He doesnt have that psi field anymore or the telekinetic ability anymore. With that said, your scans are irrelevant. Oh, carver. Nice to see you there!

Please come here and say yes or no:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t653828.html

Originally posted by carver9
Superman entire powerset was changed. He doesnt have that psi field anymore or the telekinetic ability anymore. With that said, your scans are irrelevant.

I dont care about your fabrications, like I said before. Every single one of the events is 10% canon. Period.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman entire powerset was changed. He doesnt have that psi field anymore or the telekinetic ability anymore. With that said, your scans are irrelevant.

Yet Superboy still had TTK.

A clone of Superman.

Originally posted by panthergod
Byrne, the creator of the Post-Crisis Superman:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/JohnByrne-SupermansstrenghthI-asstrongashebelievesheis.jpg

Superman's power-level is detemined by his Force of Will:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20FebAction%20585%20-powered%20by%20lifeforce%20and%20will/th_ac_585_09.jpg


Superman's powerlevels go down and up again due to his mind:

Wolfman and Ordway

While unconscious he's invulnerable, while awake(with amnesia thus forgetting his powers) he goes down to being hurt by firel:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/02-%20Adventures%20of%20Superman%20426/th_AdventuresOfSuperman426p05.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/02-%20Adventures%20of%20Superman%20426/th_AdventuresOfSuperman426p06.jpg

Superman's holding back factor is not simple him pulling his punches, when he access his internal powers he gets more durable, etc.

He regains his power-levels-- due to beleieving he's mroe powerful thanks to Darkseid;s mental influence:

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations4.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations5.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations6.jpg

Except...that explanation is locked in with Byrne's idea that Superman's powers were based on his aura or something, and that he had a force field, etc, etc. But after Death of Superman, there was weird shit involving him absorbing more sunlight, growing into this monster-sized version of himself, assimulating that power or something something, and getting more and more powerful until he was the 'Post Crisis' level with which we are familiar.

Byrne's idea for the source of his power was basically dropped like a hot potato.

Also, it didn't really jibe with Clark's performance during Death of Superman, where he and Doomsday were going all-out, and Clark decided to stop holding back, and their clash did all of break all the windows for blocks around and make a small crater in the ground. Also, before his 'powerup' Clark needed to hold his breath in space. Afterward? Nope.

Basically, Superman wasn't nearly as powerful back then.

Basically, if one wants to use Byrne's Superman, one needs to say 'okay, this is Byrne's Superman only', because it doesn't match with the rest of post Crisis.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Except...that explanation is locked in with Byrne's idea that Superman's powers were based on his aura or something, and that he had a force field, etc, etc. But after Death of Superman, there was weird shit involving him absorbing more sunlight, growing into this monster-sized version of himself, assimulating that power or something something, and getting more and more powerful until he was the 'Post Crisis' level with which we are familiar.

Byrne's idea for the source of his power was basically dropped like a hot potato.

Also, it didn't really jibe with Clark's performance during Death of Superman, where he and Doomsday were going all-out, and Clark decided to stop holding back, and their clash did all of break all the windows for blocks around and make a small crater in the ground. Also, before his 'powerup' Clark needed to hold his breath in space. Afterward? Nope.

Basically, Superman wasn't nearly as powerful back then.

Basically, if one wants to use Byrne's Superman, one needs to say 'okay, this is Byrne's Superman only', because it doesn't match with the rest of post Crisis.


lol, so ignore the facts... because YOU say so..?



Bwaahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa!

Nothing I'm claiming is up for dispute. EVERYTHING about how Byrne wrote and portrayed Superman's powerset is relevant and canon.... Period. Byrne's described Superman's mental aspect strength as TK, others emphasized more subconscious muscle-control. the feats on panel are canon, period. TK has been apart of Superman's powerset since the Golden Age.

Doomsday was explicitly the most physically powerful being Superman had ever fought up to that point in Post Crisis history. area of attack, collateral damage, all that is IRRELEVANT, as actual literate people who read comics comprehend.

Did Galactus and In Betweener even cause city wide damage?

I guess Thor can beat them.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
facepalm

Lol backed into a corner. Again u are trying to salvage the unsalvageable. I know he's ure boyfriend and all , but It's a sinking ship. Might as well continue to argue that Supergirl went into a black hole for the hell of it then came out.

U are arguing about the minutiae of whether the planets had 0 mass? The fact of the matter is mass/gravity was neutralized.
Where is that fact made clear?