God Doom vs. Emperor Joker

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God Doom vs. Emperor Joker

Note: Both character at his peak.

Who wins?

Galan007
Joker.

Stoic
Why?

RealityWarper
Probably Doom.

Glorificus
God Doom.

DarthPlaguis12
Joker

spetznaz
As Stoic asked, why? To those who said Joker, why? To those who said Doom, why?

Astner
Originally posted by Stoic
Why?
Because five-dimensional imps don't get their ass handed to them by Avenger-level characters.

Stoic
Originally posted by Astner
Because five-dimensional imps don't get their ass handed to them by Avenger-level characters.

But Mxy was shitting himself over Superman's dad, and was even sent into void space. That's not a good enough reason imo.

cdtm
Originally posted by Stoic
But Mxy was shitting himself over Superman's dad, and was even sent into void space. That's not a good enough reason imo.

You said it yourself.


Superman's dad.

Superman himself was also the only being in the DCU who could fight Joker.

Stoic
Originally posted by cdtm
You said it yourself.


Superman's dad.

Superman himself was also the only being in the DCU who could fight Joker.

PIS is off in a forum setting. Doom would have blinked both Superman and his dad out of existence. So once again it really isn't a good enough reason.

Under plot a street level bow and arrow master was able to foil Krona, and Krona had just finished turning Galactus into a coffee table.

This is just a suggestion, but maybe it would be a good idea if we kept PIS out of this, or do you want to make the other side begin the low ball wars?

RealityWarper
Too bad.


https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111219076/5300679-2046675339-SnfNS.jpg

cdtm
Originally posted by Stoic
PIS is off in a forum setting. Doom would have blinked both Superman and his dad out of existence. So once again it really isn't a good enough reason.

Under plot a street level bow and arrow master was able to foil Krona, and Krona had just finished turning Galactus into a coffee table.

This is just a suggestion, but maybe it would be a good idea if we kept PIS out of this, or do you want to make the other side begin the low ball wars?

Nonsense. Do I look like Abhi? I mean, I'm not Indian, so I'd better not..

I'm just objectively taking note of the fact that in addition to being the only character in all of the DCU who Joker couldn't seem to stop, he's also done things like carry refined bleed in his mouth, which the cosmic Monitors insisted was impossible to bottle, carry, or contain. On average, he's certainly not far above high herald, but there's enough to suggest his variable cap is "high abstract", at the least.

And we're talking about Mxy being afraid of his dad anyways. Maybe Dr. Manhattan had something to do with it....

Galan007
Originally posted by Stoic
Why?
1.) Joker warped the entire universe in his image within minutes of originally obtaining Mxy's power.
2.) Caused multi-dimensional havoc that reverberated all the way up to the 5th dimension(per Mxy.)
3.) Destroyed the universe casually.
4.) Recreated the universe from nothingness just as effortlessly.
5.) Warped the Quintessence to his whims(who represent a greater authority than even Spectre.)
6.) Overpowered/imprisoned the Spectre-force itself, easily. And transformed it into a parakeet.
7.) Actually succeeded in collapsing the whole of creation(which was confirmed to be a multiverse in the same arc) into a singularity.
8.) Was only beaten by the insertion of a plot-device that Doom cold not possibly duplicate.
9.) Caused such extensive damage to the fundamental fabric of creation that it took adepts like Spectre and Mxy five hours to repair it... Which is just insane.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by Galan007
1.) Joker warped the entire universe in his image within minutes of originally obtaining Mxy's power.
2.) Caused multi-dimensional havoc that reverberated all the way up to the 5th dimension(per Mxy.)
3.) Destroyed the universe casually.
4.) Recreated the universe from nothingness just as effortlessly.
5.) Warped the Quintessence to his whims(who represent a greater authority than even Spectre.)
6.) Overpowered/imprisoned the Spectre-force itself, easily. And transformed it into a parakeet.
7.) Was well on his way to collapsing the whole of creation(which was confirmed to be a multiverse in the same arc) into a singularity -- and very nearly succeeded.
8.) Caused such extensive damage to the fundamental fabric of creation that it took adepts like Spectre and Mxy five hours to repair it... Which is just insane.
9.) Was only beaten by the insertion of a plot-device that Doom cold not possibly duplicate.

God Doom>LT>>>>>>>>>Mxy and Hal Jordan spectre whos arguably the weakest

Stoic
Originally posted by Galan007
1.) Joker warped the entire universe in his image within minutes of originally obtaining Mxy's power.
2.) Caused multi-dimensional havoc that reverberated all the way up to the 5th dimension(per Mxy.)
3.) Destroyed the universe casually.
4.) Recreated the universe from nothingness just as effortlessly.
5.) Warped the Quintessence to his whims(who represent a greater authority than even Spectre.)
6.) Overpowered/imprisoned the Spectre-force itself, easily. And transformed it into a parakeet.
7.) Actually succeeded in collapsing the whole of creation(which was confirmed to be a multiverse in the same arc) into a singularity.
8.) Was only beaten by the insertion of a plot-device that Doom cold not possibly duplicate.
9.) Caused such extensive damage to the fundamental fabric of creation that it took adepts like Spectre and Mxy five hours to repair it... Which is just insane.

Sounds good, and since I abandoned the Secret Wars due to the plot turning into liquid doodoo (diarrhea for those unfamiliar with the term), perhaps you or someone could compare these two super gigantic monsters, unless it's a stomp? I saw Doom wrestle with and defeat an IG user which is why I asked the question.

cdtm
Originally posted by Stoic
Sounds good, and since I abandoned the Secret Wars due to the plot turning into liquid doodoo (diarrhea for those unfamiliar with the term), perhaps you or someone could compare these two super gigantic monsters, unless it's a stomp? I saw Doom wrestle with and defeat an IG user which is why I asked the question.

Downgraded IG, compared to their peak showings.

The gems of the 616 were destroyed merely pushing against a universe. And Panther's wasn't a 616 Gauntlet, so who knows how strong it really was..?

SquallX
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
God Doom>LT>>>>>>>>>Mxy and Hal Jordan spectre whos arguably the weakest

Mxy at his weakest is far above the LT and God Doom.

Till this day, Mxy still posses the most outright and most absurd feats in comics with his finger snapping after destroying the DC Multiverse.

Baziemarc123
Originally posted by SquallX
Mxy at his weakest is far above the LT and God Doom.

Till this day, Mxy still posses the most outright and most absurd feats in comics with his finger snapping after destroying the DC Multiverse.

world funniest isnt canon

mxy has never destroyed the multiverse in any comic besides wf which was a gag too

xJLxKing

Baziemarc123
no it isnt

RealityWarper
Non-canon.

I can even post the writer of the story whom said that's non-canon.


https://s15.postimg.cc/ar6ejmjl7/Mxy_WFgag.jpg


https://s15.postimg.cc/oxm5f127v/Mxy_WFgagdreamup.jpg

Baziemarc123
LOL I honestly never knew it was a dream and i missed that. glad you posted it

Stoic
Galan was it canon or not? If not, it kind of changes things a bit.

RealityWarper
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
LOL I honestly never knew it was a dream and i missed that. glad you posted it

You are welcome.

Originally posted by Stoic
Galan was it canon or not? If not, it kind of changes things a bit.

Galan uses a scan from Rebirth that shows that Mxy is aware of all of his incarnations in medium.

It doesn't make the story canon for all that.

cdtm
Originally posted by Stoic
Galan was it canon or not? If not, it kind of changes things a bit.

The caption just says what Alan Moore said, that all comic stories are imaginary stories.

That being admitted as a "gag" doesn't make it non canon. It just means the writers thought it was funny.

Baziemarc123
yes which wasn't meant to be taken seriously unless we wanna use Deadpool insane gag moments including of him beating the whole marvel

cdtm
Wasn't 616 Deadpool in any case.

RealityWarper
Originally posted by cdtm
The caption just says what Alan Moore said, that all comic stories are imaginary stories.

That being admitted as a "gag" doesn't make it non canon. It just means the writers thought it was funny.

No.

You are actually misunderstanding it.

The writer of the story confirmed it didn't happen. Twice.

https://s15.postimg.cc/ivj422ddn/2017-03-10.png

https://s15.postimg.cc/e9mztq7a3/4789038-7011790474-47713.jpg

We cannot debate about it. That settle that.

Stoic
Originally posted by cdtm
The caption just says what Alan Moore said, that all comic stories are imaginary stories.

That being admitted as a "gag" doesn't make it non canon. It just means the writers thought it was funny.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
yes which wasn't meant to be taken seriously unless we wanna use Deadpool insane gag moments including of him beating the whole marvel

cdtm, Bazie has a point here. This new info kind of makes it difficult to judge clearly from my perspective. Anyway, I've always had a hard time understanding how one omnipotent defeats another one unless it is seen in a comic. Maybe it's just me though.

Baziemarc123
I always have a point. it's just you dudes are always too blinded by your ignorance

RealityWarper
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
I always have a point. it's just you dudes are always too blinded by your ignorance

They do that all the time.

They wilfully ignore proofs when they are posted and make personal attacks when people ask them to prove their claims.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=653823&from=thread&pagenumber=2#post16623848

cdtm
Originally posted by Stoic
cdtm, Bazie has a point here. This new info kind of makes it difficult to judge clearly from my perspective. Anyway, I've always had a hard time understanding how one omnipotent defeats another one unless it is seen in a comic. Maybe it's just me though.

I never understood that, either.

Should be a stalemate, or an inability to really fight/interact, like a higher level Wolverine vs Lady Deathstrike from Xmen 2.

SquallX

Baziemarc123
When did Mxy confirm in rebirth it was canon?

Baziemarc123
probably some metafictional shit again

SithLantern93
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
yes which wasn't meant to be taken seriously unless we wanna use Deadpool insane gag moments including of him beating the whole marvel [/QUOTE


Because Mxy is a legitimately op reality warper, who utilized absurd powers such as toon force and the ability to retcon outside of World's Funnest. Also, Joker displaying feats that are not that hax compared to what Mxy displayed in World's Funnest, canon or not, obviously further supports the assessment that Mxy is capable of treating 3d dimensional space as joke and causing dimensional haywire that affected even his dimension. Deadpool is not a reality warper and therefore his 4th wall breaking showings are illogical to use in battlezone, whereas Mxy's are not.

RealityWarper

Galan007
Originally posted by Stoic
Galan was it canon or not? If not, it kind of changes things a bit. The feats I mentioned for Emperor Joker are all canon, yes.

As for Mxy: ALL of his appearances(across ALL forms of media) are canon to him:

http://i.imgur.com/LDkey3Rh.jpg


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http://i.imgur.com/OEbo2n1h.jpg




The only people who still try to contest this are butthurt trolls. Pay them no mind. wink

RealityWarper
Originally posted by Galan007
The feats I mentioned for Emperor Joker are all canon, yes.

As for Mxy: ALL of his appearances(across ALL forms of media) are canon to him:

http://i.imgur.com/LDkey3Rh.jpg


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http://i.imgur.com/OEbo2n1h.jpg




The only people who still try to contest this are butthurt trolls. Pay them no mind. wink


It doesn't change the fact that WF Mxy never happened.

Hence it is not canon, whatever Mxy is self-aware or not.

There is no correlation with the canonicity of an event. wink

NemeBro
Mxy isn't just aware of the other appearances, he is physically dropping into other canons and physically doing shit, at least as far as Galan's scan is concerned. With that said, if the actual writer of wf stated it doesn't count, I think that supersedes the scan, unless there is reason to believe that writer's words have themselves been retconned or no longer apply.

Galan007
First off, social media comments are inadmissible on the forum -- especially in cases where they conflict with on-panel evidence(the writer cannot preform official retcons via Twitter.)

Secondly, multiple canon sources confirm that ALL of Mxy's appearances, across ALL forms of media are canon to him... Even the Marvel/DC crossover featuring he and Impossible Man(which was referenced in Impossible Man's 2006 OHOTMU bio.)

So yeah...

RealityWarper
Originally posted by Galan007
First off, social media comments are inadmissible on the forum -- especially in cases where they conflict with on-panel evidence.

First off, the story itself is said to be non-canon in the first page so there is no conflict with social media so that's admissible.

Secondly, Evan Dorkin, whom wrote this story, confirmed twice that his work isn't canon.

There is no discussion to have about it.

You are just plain wrong and can't deal with it.





This is as valuable as an argument in this forum as saying that Lobo or Deadpool knows that they are fictional characters.

So yeah, you can say what you want, this WF story isn't canon. Period.

Baziemarc123
How does Mxy being aware that there's infinite variations of him makes WF canon?

RealityWarper
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
How does Mxy being aware that there's infinite variations of him makes WF canon?

It doesn't.

That's what he don't understand.

Baziemarc123
it's just simple fictional awareness.

Galan007
Originally posted by RealityWarper
First off, the story itself is said to be non-canon in the first page so there is no conflict with social media so that's admissible. Most Elseworlds stories were premised with the "imaginary tale" line. Many(aside from WF) are canon nonetheless.

What's your point?

TheHulkster
Originally posted by Galan007
First off, social media comments are inadmissible on the forum -- especially in cases where they conflict with on-panel evidence(the writer cannot preform official retcons via Twitter.)

Secondly, multiple canon sources confirm that ALL of Mxy's appearances, across ALL forms of media are canon to him... Even the Marvel/DC crossover featuring he and Impossible Man(which was referenced in Impossible Man's 2006 OHOTMU bio.)

So yeah...

So does that mean that The Brothers amalgamating MXY and Wong is canon?

Zack M
Joker, casually.

RealityWarper
Originally posted by Galan007
Most Elseworlds stories were premised with the "imaginary tale" line. Many(aside from WF) are canon nonetheless.

What's your point?

The story is still non-canon thus the feats aren't admissible in the battle forum either ways.

Galan007
laughing out loud

This thread is a good reminder why I stopped posting here as much.

Baziemarc123
Probably because you're always getting corrected like you are now.

RealityWarper
Originally posted by Galan007
laughing out loud

This thread is a good reminder why I stopped posting here as much.

Are you an alternate account of Darksaint ? Sometimes I'm wondering.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Probably because you're always getting corrected like you are now.

QFT. thumb up

abhilegend
Joker wins, easily.

TheHulkster
Doom wins, no problem.

Baziemarc123
God Doom was above everybody in short of TOAA.

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Doom wins, no problem.
Proof?

TheHulkster
Originally posted by abhilegend
Joker wins, easily.

Proof?

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Proof?
Doom only replaced Eternity of a universe. Owen hadn't given him full power of Beyonders.

Zack M
Originally posted by abhilegend
Joker wins, easily.

thumb up

Baziemarc123
also @abhi I noticed you ran away from the Superman vs Spectrum thread, and the thread where we're discussing ng size hahaha.

Galan007
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Probably because you're always getting corrected like you are now. Nah, it's mostly because I was done wasting my time with idiots like you guys.

Troll on! smile

abhilegend
Putting trolls on ignore is now running away.

Good to know.

Baziemarc123

Zack M
Originally posted by abhilegend
Putting trolls on ignore is now running away.

Good to know.

thumb up

TheHulkster

Zack M
Beyonders are weak sauce. Joker takes Doom out with a snap of his toes.

Baziemarc123
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=578265&pagenumber=10#post16624138

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=653397&pagenumber=3


^the threads where Abhi gets caught in his lies/destroyed to the point he put me on ignore because I've debunked him too many times. When he regain his balls, i'll be here waiting LMAO! Took awhile for him to finally give up.

so much for "HURR DURR I've faced many of the best and won"

Stoic
Originally posted by abhilegend
Doom only replaced Eternity of a universe. Owen hadn't given him full power of Beyonders.

I don't want to put words down that you did not directly state, nor am I attempting to do so, but I have to ask, How many Beyonders does it take to equal one 5D Imp? All of them? From what you stated, I sort of got the feeling that you were implying this. So what's the deal?

Zack M
20 Beyonders to One Imp.

TheHulkster

abhilegend

abhilegend

TheHulkster
Originally posted by abhilegend
Lolwut?

Read the edit.

abhilegend
Still lulzworthy

Baziemarc123
The Ivory Kings solo'ed the entire marvel pantheon, skyfathers, and LT.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, it's just that. Because one Beyonder killed Eternity but Doom was only able to replace Eternity under Owen's power.

lolwut?

Baziemarc123
EJ best feat is recreating the universe. the spectre he beat was Hal who's the weakest

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheHulkster
lolwut?
Read Silver Surfer 15

TheHulkster
Originally posted by abhilegend
Still lulzworthy

Denial. EJ never destroys nor recreates the universe, but rather is actually trying to figure out a process to do so.

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Denial. EJ never destroys nor recreates the universe, but rather is actually trying to figure out a process to do so.
He was trying to destroy every universe at once. He destroyed and recreated universe in his image.

Baziemarc123
Universe was already weakened at that moment as was explained by Spectre, that's why Joker destroyed it easily.

Galan007
Early in the story, EJ was already causing cross-dimensional havoc that was reaching all the way up to the 5th dimension:
https://i.imgur.com/ufiSrTO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6U3HBRP.jpg

By that time EJ had already warped the universe in his own image:
https://i.imgur.com/BvDg0uu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MxE44ge.jpg

EJ destroys/recreates the universe casually:
https://i.imgur.com/4QbcOmu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Dh76eBR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/PBSYzYH.jpg

EJ overtakes the Spectre-force itself and warps it into a parakeet:
https://i.imgur.com/nOtIbeQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/goGRyrf.jpg

Mxy states that EJ was very close to compressing "all reality" into nothingness:
https://i.imgur.com/9V6ep4R.jpg

In the same story "all reality" was implied to be the multiverse itself(past/present/future):
https://i.imgur.com/F4w1zbr.jpg

At the end of the story, EJ actually DID succeed in the aforementioned:
https://i.imgur.com/3h1xKB7.jpg


So yeah...

TheHulkster

TheHulkster

Zack M
Originally posted by Galan007
Early in the story, EJ was already causing cross-dimensional havoc that was reaching all the way up to the 5th dimension:
https://i.imgur.com/ufiSrTO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6U3HBRP.jpg

By that time EJ had already warped the universe in his own image:
https://i.imgur.com/BvDg0uu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MxE44ge.jpg

EJ destroys/recreates the universe casually:
https://i.imgur.com/4QbcOmu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Dh76eBR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/PBSYzYH.jpg

EJ overtakes the Spectre-force itself and warps it into a parakeet:
https://i.imgur.com/nOtIbeQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/goGRyrf.jpg

Mxy states that EJ was very close to compressing "all reality" into nothingness:
https://i.imgur.com/9V6ep4R.jpg

In the same story "all reality" was implied to be the multiverse itself(past/present/future):
https://i.imgur.com/F4w1zbr.jpg

At the end of the story, EJ actually DID succeed in the aforementioned:
https://i.imgur.com/3h1xKB7.jpg


So yeah...

Insane. There really isn't anyone in comics that can match a top tier imps power.

quanchi112
Doom wins.

SquallX

quanchi112
That was a really weak Spectre.

Zack M
Hal is the most powerful one.

quanchi112
Based on?

abhilegend

abhilegend

SithLantern93
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
EJ best feat is recreating the universe. the spectre he beat was Hal who's the weakest

Dead wrong on both parts. Galan already addressed why you are wrong about EJ's best feat, so I will not. The weakest incarnation of Spectre is the Corrigan Spectre right after Crisis on Infinite Earths issue 10, Swamp Thing issues 50 and The Last Days of Justice Society Special. The Voice (the Presence back then) punished Spectre for failing to stop Anti Monitor and Great Evil Beast, which is explicitly stated in the very first issue of Spectre Vol 2. back in 1987. As result of that, he was severely depowered to the point of from being a Living Tribunal level to Deadman on steroids. Spectre would continue to operate under such limitation throughout the series. Hal Jordan ironically, given his underrated and poor reception, is the most powerful host that Spectre actually had. Jordan as Spectre would later remark that the power he wielded as Zero Hour Parallax was a the light of a candle compared to the power he then now wielded as the Spectre, which he compared it to an exploding sun. Jordan would later go on to stop a spell from reconfiguring reality, unconsciously create countless Spectre copies of himself with differing appearances and spread them to universe and beyond (which Corrigan was unable to do when he fought Dr. Fate back in 1980s), unconsciously create a Jokerized version of Zero Hour Parallax ( who was a bonafide universal and beyond level threat who actually erased Jordan Spectre from reality), come back after being erased from existence, unconsciously create countless realities using the power of Spectre, and connect with his inner aspect Logoz to the point of being nearly as powerful as the Presence itself, since Spectre is also an aspect of Presence and Logoz is his direct connection to it. Jordan accomplished all of that while still being short of achieving his full potential, which was referenced throughout Spectre vol 4, and in JLA/Spectre Soul War. Emperor Joker event was before the release of Spectre Vol 4 also. So Jordan at the time of Emperor Joker event was a total noob.

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