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Does the "future vision" of She-Ra killing He-Man count?

He was told it wasn't imaginary, just a road he was walking down..

When did she kill He-Man?

In the same Masters of the Universe series where he killed Superman.

Only, after an upgrade, and in a vision of what would happen if he refused to ever revert to Adam.

The answer was, become a military dictator, and force She-Ra to put him down, fulfilling the purpose the Sword of Protection was forged.

https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38745535_image.jpg





She-ra?

Wow.


I've heard scarcely anything about the character since I was a little kid watching reruns of the cartoon.

There's been a number of teases and plans for Adora announced over the decades, but nothing concrete ever seems to have come from it.

Is there finally a new She-ra comic or cartoon series after 30 years?


Know I stumbled across something where they told a story of Adora leaving Horde, but that version of her was just about as special as the Kara in the Aliens crossover comic.


Where does your image above come from?

Originally posted by Zack M
https://i.imgur.com/QP9Az8w.jpg

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https://i.imgur.com/3KMvXfc.jpg

http://www.alanrichardtextiles.com/store/media/OSBORNE/ss_size1/22.jpg

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/38745535_image.jpg





She-ra?

Wow.


I've heard scarcely anything about the character since I was a little kid watching reruns of the cartoon.

There's been a number of teases and plans for Adora announced over the decades, but nothing concrete ever seems to have come from it.

Is there finally a new She-ra comic or cartoon series after 30 years?


Know I stumbled across something where they told a story of Adora leaving Horde, but that version of her was just about as special as the Kara in the Aliens crossover comic.


Where does your image above come from?

She was a supporting character in the last Masters of the Universe series.

Didn't really appear much, but she got to fight an amped Hordak, do a few other key things, and her backstory specifically states the Sword of Protection exists to keep the Sword of Power in check, in case it needs to be reigned in/taken down.

Whether that means it's more powerful, or has some specitic anti "Sword of Power" properties isn't specified.

So no concrete solid feats for She-Ra? I'm going with Angela for the win.

Originally posted by cdtm
She was a supporting character in the last Masters of the Universe series.

Didn't really appear much, but she got to fight an amped Hordak, do a few other key things, and her backstory specifically states the Sword of Protection exists to keep the Sword of Power in check, in case it needs to be reigned in/taken down.

Whether that means it's more powerful, or has some specitic anti "Sword of Power" properties isn't specified.

Do you have the Hordak scans?

Originally posted by Zack M
Do you have the Hordak scans?

You bet.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ww_xPXQZyuU/VO36NS7YMwI/AAAAAAAII9I/2LyBGF_qeiY/s1600/p16_19%2Bcopy.jpg

More coming.

First, some backstory:

Hordak was dead before this. He was resurrected, and then entered the Forge of Grayskull:


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hY8vCQqcECM/VJrck_24EqI/AAAAAAAG_ok/f11N73Bpvek/s1600/p7_6%2Bcopy.jpg


This same forge turns Skeletor into a god, with a capital G. Warps planets and people, kills that stupid planet from Space He-Man with a thought, at a point in the far future from him.

More to come..

Think I'll post this first:



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IiuLxxtjBak/VWrjFRZbtjI/AAAAAAAL6qQ/cHsWriTvR8s/s1600/p47_11.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CrQhseMckO4/VWrjEYDkOcI/AAAAAAAL6qI/Qchof0_QN3Q/s1600/p47_12.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-15cm1TsOtEM/VWrjNKjhIkI/AAAAAAAL6qY/r3oZD_E0wSw/s1600/p47_13.jpg


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-C-R6y3Cr_AY/VWrjV1FqejI/AAAAAAAL6qg/vP-fhUt1F7s/s1600/p47_14.jpg


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JS-qua9dcag/VWrjV9CFpcI/AAAAAAAL6qk/Td3zfKCd6vk/s1600/p47_15.jpg

Originally posted by Zack M



When did kill He-Man?


Originally posted by cdtm
In the same Masters of the Universe series where he killed Superman.

Only, after an upgrade, and in a vision of what would happen if he refused to ever revert to Adam.

The answer was, become a military dictator, and force She-Ra to put him down, fulfilling the purpose the Sword of Protection was forged.


I did some research since my last visit here a day or so ago.

I thank you for letting me know there HAVE been actual appearances in-comic since the 1980s for She-ra where She-ra actually does stuff AS She-ra, and not simply as Adora, non-powered former captain of the evil Horde.

They were NOT easy to find, and, unfortunately, you were mistaken when you gave the specific "book-hunter's" info. It was only your insistence that an encounter with She-ra in her actual She-ra form occurred that kept me from giving up.

In point of fact, possible future She-ra kills possible future He-Man in a separate series that FOLLOWS the series where He-Man takes down Superman.

The series where He-Man took down Superman, and summarily Dark Orko and Skeletor, is actually referenced by Skeletor himself, when Skeletor happens upon She-Ra after her near-fatal encounter with a newly, unexpectedly super-empowered Hordak. Though Skeletor or his minions could easily finish She-Ra off, or perhaps even simply allow She-Ra to die in her weakened state, Skeletor instead gives She-Ra a 2nd chance at life, by following her instructions ...

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38748744_image.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38748745_image.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38748746_image.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38748747_image.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38748748_image.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38748749_image.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38748750_image.jpg

Source: He-Man, the Eternity War #5
Circa: June 2015

Yep.

I just found out myself, today, that it was Eternity War.

Of course, then Skeletor betrays her. I'm not entirely sure why he even needed her... He brought her to the "Well of Souls", made a bargain with them for revenge on Hordak, and shoved her inside so the Souls she killed could take their revenge.

So maybe she needed her for those few holdouts that could care less about Hordak, and would prevent him from leaving with the others?

Originally posted by cdtm
She was a supporting character in the last Masters of the Universe series.

Didn't really appear much, but she got to fight an amped Hordak, do a few other key things, and her backstory specifically states the Sword of Protection exists to keep the Sword of Power in check, in case it needs to be reigned in/taken down.

Whether that means it's more powerful, or has some specitic anti "Sword of Power" properties isn't specified.

Originally posted by Stoic
So no concrete solid feats for She-Ra? I'm going with Angela for the win.


Unfortunately, except for sword fights against powerful others, the writers of this series don't seem inclined to show She-Ra's prowess in any significant way.

This seems especially strange when considering the character before now was primarily known for feats of strength, and, in fact, often performed such feats as an alternate to sword violence (at least when dealing with nonrobotic opponents -- she wasn't too sparing of purely mechanical foes).

The following is the only thing I've found of note as far as She-Ra's physicality goes. On the other hand, we're provided yet another glimpse of how powerful the SWORD She-Ra wields may be:

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38748765_image.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38748766_image.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38748767_image.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38748768_image.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38748769_image.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38748770_image.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38748771_image.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38748772_image.jpg

Source: He-Man, the Eternity War #3
Circa: April 2015

If you've seen the fight with Hordak with The Power, you'll see how merely trading a few blows and surviving is a tremendous feat.

As Hordak literally cuts down a small army with a single swing.

Let's get to it.


Hordak forged his own "Dark Power Sword", and has the "Power of Grayskull".




http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SPmL1mgcLNQ/VRL-Y783acI/AAAAAAAJGJQ/mXJZtyvYIjY/s1600/p14_2%2Bcopy.jpg

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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MaqURp6SKmM/VRL-bcMK-zI/AAAAAAAJGJ8/VhPb8q8z-js/s1600/p14_7%2Bcopy.jpg


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I don't about you, but I think holding out as long as she did was pretty damned impressive.



Hordak had the FULL power of Grayskull. He had to be the same level as He Man, when he forged his golden armor and took on Cosmic Skeletor (Remember how Orko affected the entire DCU? That was power stolen from Hordak. Grayskulls fires of eternity, which is separate from He Mans power, and which everyone coveted, has to be even more powerful.)

Beastly.

Indeed.

This is basically a stealth continuation/ending to the 2002 cartoon, Hiss follows Skeletor, and was in turn meant to be overthrown by Hordak, leading back to Skeletor.

While the He-Man/Thundercats was more an end to the '80's cartoon.

Is your sister blonde?

Here's how much power Hordak had:


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HQ-BNcI8XnU/VlaAnse-njI/AAAAAAATLKI/kc7LkU-WSCo/s1600/76_03.jpg


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qqBzBdTyXgs/VlaAoKzssUI/AAAAAAATLKM/txUbyl6Gq14/s1600/76_04.jpg



World's exploding, from the shockwaves alone.


She-Ra has a mammoth feat here.

Originally posted by cdtm
She-Ra has a mammoth...

https://media.giphy.com/media/12Nv3nBSCAbLO0/200.gif

The "Grayskull" Hordak versus She-Ra encounter reminds me of a game called Soul Calibur (a play on "EXcalibur" of Arthurian legend) ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=40mVOVpZp44

I'll help out in your quest to inform us about the current Masters of the Universe.


In case someone was wondering about what a "Horokoth" was, this is what Teela reveals before showing Adam that "Future" vision where his sister ends him ...



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Source: He-Man Eternity Wars #1-7
Circa: 2015

The origin of Skeletor's havoc staff:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aH_bi6f07Ik/VZQBOJOl4BI/AAAAAAAMvm0/cASUwndR-M4/s1600/p_12_12.jpg


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9NwO-GCjC5o/VZQBUeP_LAI/AAAAAAAMvnM/Y8o-dn3vT0Y/s1600/p_12_16.jpg


It's his own damned head.

Originally posted by cdtm




Skeletor's havoc staff ... is his own head.





ermm

Not so sure I want to check this series out any more ...

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
ermm

Not so sure I want to check this series out any more ...

He's already a skinless guy with a floating head.


It's like the Finn Sword. There's a cycle of Skeletor going back in time, kidnapping Adora, raising her, rebelling, and dying. And Hordak has to ensure this keeps happening.

Only, this time, Skeletor doesn't do that. He never goes back, yet Adora is still here, so he breaks time and fate, and becomes "Master of Death".

Originally posted by cdtm


already a skinless guy with a floating head ...




mmm



I suppose you're right.




I started to put "This is definitely not your father's MOTU ...",
but then I started to think of how many horror elements are actually contained in the original Masters of the Universe series.

This series just makes more blatant what was already there.

Sort of like the Star Wars series and the 1st 6 movies, where people rate the 1st as arguably the most "fun" and "Happy Go Lucky" installment, especially compared to the darker 2nd and 6th films.
Then you think about what the active station the Rebels destroyed actually DID before it was destroyed, and realize more people died in that first film than in all 5 subsequent movies combined.


At any rate, moving past the one-eyed symbolism on the cover, as well as the skull and bones, and the "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven" motif intrinsic to the transformation sequence of He-Man and She-ra (I wonder far less now why many Christian parents were bothered by this show than I used to),

I'll go on and post a point in She-Ra's favor, by giving another demonstration of what her sword can do, which is envelop herself and an ally, and presumably allies plural if the area is not too great, in a protective envelope ...




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Source: He-Man, Eternity War #13
Circa: February 2016

Those are also semi-tangible wraiths, who she couldn't hurt with direct sword attacks because she passed right through them, yet they could attack her.. Sort of like Prince of Orphans John Aman.

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38752288_image.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38752289_image.jpg


I'm starting to wonder if the DC staff members writing this weren't let go by Filmation early in their careers or something. He-Man is leader of the Serpent Men now?!? Seriously?

Worser and worser still ...

I found the scene before what you were referencing on the following page:


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=382350&pagenumber=4375

Originally posted by cdtm

Another reason worth posting.

Look at Beast Man's cloak.

Look carefully.



Shame upon shame piled ...


Th-They killed Tigger!


https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/38753172_image.jpg

The scans posted by Cdtm changed my thinking from
"Comic-book She-ra has absolutely NO chance of winning this"
to
"This might be a straight 50/50".

Problem was, and remains, Angela's speed, which even She-ra's best showings imply will be a problem. Are we really to believe a woman who, after reluctantly slaying her brother, cannot effectively outrace a flowing puddle of water, will be able to take a strong and skilled warrior with reactions and speed so great that opponents who are faster than thought cannot overcome her?

With inherent damage soak great enough to endure impaling, and a carried weapon capable of instantly healing such damage, however, She-Ra just might survive, especially if, unknown at the moment, Angela does not mechanically go for kills but engages her opponents formally, as her brother and most Asgardians seem won't to.

One other consideration, IF the sword She-Ra carries possesses one other power her brother's displayed:

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38768272_image.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38768273_image.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38768274_image.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38768275_image.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/38768276_image.jpg

Source: He-Man Infinity War (#12?)
Circa: ~2016

From the looks of it, She-Ra might face off against Injustice Wonder Woman.


https://i.imgur.com/z2wkSZd.jpg

Unfortunately, I think you may be confusing Teela for She-Ra.

She-Ra versus Wonder Woman WOULD be cool, though, and establish Adora as a fighting force against an opponent that a majority of fans would agree would give Angela fits.

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/38772419_image.jpg

Speed is the lone reason I think Angela edges out this contest.
If anyone can convince me She-Ra has a legitimate counter to Angela's speed and/or can match said speed, Adora would get the nod.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'll help out in your quest to inform us about the current Masters of the Universe.


I'll keep my word by giving the last of what I'd gathered for discussion last week over the next few posts, a collection of about 20 scans:


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Does Angela have super speed?

I don't remember the Spawn version being a speedster.

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Originally posted by cdtm
Does Angela have super speed?

I don't remember the Spawn version being a speedster.


I don't remember EITHER version of the character and wonder how anybody could have much exposure to her.

But the episode with the Disir suggests she does have speed, and considerable amounts of it.

Originally posted by cdtm
You bet.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ww_xPXQZyuU/VO36NS7YMwI/AAAAAAAII9I/2LyBGF_qeiY/s1600/p16_19%2Bcopy.jpg

More coming. Wow that's impressive

She's nicely drawn, at least.

I too find it a little frustrating that a character so well known for her feats of strength has almost nothing to show in that area in the recent comics.

At any rate, the last of what I myself promised on the previous page:

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Source1: Masters of the Universe versus DC
Source2: He-Man Eternity Wars

I can't check the speed feats for Angela just now, so break it down for me.

What's the nature of the feat? Reflex's? Travel? Are we sure it's not akin to Deathstroke tagging Wally?


Either way,, the damage soaking could give her a shot to use the "Sword to Shield" area attack, which should be game over.