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Which was the better stand alone movie in the Disney era?

I'd say Solo. I don't quite remember all of rogue one, but I remember it kept me entertained throughout, introduced interesting aspects to the lore, had engaging heroes and villains, and had one hell of a climax.

Solo, on the other hand, I had lots of fun with. A lot of choices were pretty cool, although some ideas they threw in there were weird. I liked how they maintained SOME things from the legends continuity, but mostly didn't copy them. I know different people want differing levels of legends integration in canon, but this is this movie's take on it was just right for me. The fanservice was entertaining throughout and it had a decent story to tell. I really liked it.

Haven't seen Solo, but I'll side with Rogue One simply b/c it didn't lose 50+ million dollars

Getting Bored is one feeling I did not experience watching Solo as I did R1.

Solo had better characters but Rogue 1 was a better Star Wars film overall.

Solo.

R1 which is still by far the best Disney Star Wars film.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Solo had better characters but Rogue 1 was a better Star Wars film overall.

Neither

Rogue one is the most overrated sw film of all time, but solo was techincally worse than even aotc. It's not a moviem it's a highlights video.

Rogue One.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
R1 which is still by far the best Disney Star Wars film.

Last Jedi is the best Star Wars film. End of story.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Last Jedi is the best Star Wars film. End of story.


Last Jedi drove audiences away Loser.

Bus Driver Stan Lee is better written than most of TLJ LMAO

Pt 9 will depend on how much they have to rewrite out all the Kooky Kathy and Ridiculous Rian's SJW Bullshit out of it.

IN JJ WE TRUST!

The Lens Flare will Show the Way!!!!!!!

Originally posted by quanchi112
Last Jedi is the best disney Star Wars film. End of story.

Thanos is pure trash, little one.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Pt 9 will depend on how much they have to rewrite out all the Kooky Kathy and Ridiculous Rian's SJW Bullshit out of it.

IN JJ WE TRUST!

The Lens Flare will Show the Way!!!!!!! It is all in your mind. Media influencing your silly little mind into going a-reshot if there are women and minorities in the film. Let go of your silly little hate, loser.

Last Jedi gets way too much hate honestly.

Cry more, little one.

Originally posted by CuckedCurry
Cry more, little one. Concession accepted.

Why are you crying? I have done something to upset you?

Originally posted by CuckedCurry
Why are you crying? I have done something to upset you? Tears of joy in causing you pain.

TLJ drove audiences away. Perhaps in combination with TFA, but theres no doubt thats what happened. The box office figures clearly show that. As does the obvious divisiveness of those films.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
TLJ drove audiences away. Perhaps in combination with TFA, but theres no doubt thats what happened. The box office figures clearly show that. As does the obvious divisiveness of those films. False, unproven. It drove some away but you let the media dictate how you feel. Well over a billion is good no matter how you look at it, dummy. Solo had a host of other issues which you continue to ignore because you are so narrow minded and a confirmed Star Wars hater these days. Congrats you hate Star Wars.

lol keep crying Quan. The figures say it all. Lowest box office multiplier of any Star Wars film pre Solo. And a massive 35% drop from TFA. Then we saw what happened with the film following it. Compete flop.

The media isnt against the New Trilogy. Youre thinking of the Prequels. The fans are against these ones, and the audiences have already turned their back on it.

You bandwagoned onto the wrong films and wrong villain in the franchise.

I'm glad they did something different with Luke.
And his death scene was great and purposeful. He died saving resistance ( and his own sister). It was a nice ending to an iconic character.

Badass heroic OP Luke is too predictable IMO

^ His ending and fight scene were all fine.

Its the fact hat he just gave up on the Jedi way so damn easily. Even Mark Hamill called BS on that.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ His ending and fight scene were all fine.

Its the fact hat he just gave up on the Jedi way so damn easily. Even Mark Hamill called BS on that. Thats your opinion but opinions vary, fair weather star wars fan.

Originally posted by TheIndyJedi
Last Jedi gets way too much hate honestly.

No it doesn't.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
lol keep crying Quan. The figures say it all. Lowest box office multiplier of any Star Wars film pre Solo. And a massive 35% drop from TFA. Then we saw what happened with the film following it. Compete flop.

The media isnt against the New Trilogy. Youre thinking of the Prequels. The fans are against these ones, and the audiences have already turned their back on it.

You bandwagoned onto the wrong films and wrong villain in the franchise.

Rogue One was amazing imo.

Yes R1 was by far the best of the Disney Star Wars films.

Originally posted by CuckedCurry
Alright, Cuckchi, lover of Thakos. Your insults are as pitiful as your mother.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Last Jedi the best film. Cry all you want. It made well over a billion. Solo flopped but there were other factors as well as the butthurt crybabies openly boycotting their own brand. Sad state of affairs. Quit ignoring the other factors for your own butthurt filled agenda, snowflake.

Concession accepted, little one.

Originally posted by CuckedCurry
Concession accepted, little one. So you just make up lies as I hav ealways said about you confirming my claims. I won.

Originally posted by CuckedCurry
Concession accepted again, little one. Typical alternate reality poster. You ignore facts left and right like a certain president. Pitiful. Concession accepted.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I wholeheartedly agree that you know more about Thakos than I do.

Um...ok, Cuckchi

Originally posted by CuckedCurry
Um...ok, Cuckchi Your mom sure likes my cockchi.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My mom sure likes my cockchi.

Whatever floats your boat...

Originally posted by CuckedCurry
Whatever floats your boat... It also revs your moms engines.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It also revs my moms engines.

Your mother is a bus?

Originally posted by CuckedCurry
Your mother is a bus? Your mother is a -l-t.

Rogue One, but Solo was good, some of the best world building we've gotten in the films since the prequels.

Solo wasn't good. World building doesn't make a good movie. A good movie, first and foremost, needs to feel like an experience, not a summary of events. Solo utterly failed in this regard. All the dialogue was meant to tell the audience something. Nothing was set up in the first two acts with the movie rushing from "moment" to "moment" without he sort of meainingful development that would give these moments weight.

We never see the characters act like actual people so we never have any reason to give a shit. There's no narrative buildup for al the "dramatic" moments, so we still don't give a shit.

Solo is the only star wars movie which is guilty of this.

Rogue One had it's own issues, completely lifeless acting, terrile dialogue dilvery, ect. But at least it set up the moments in the third act. Solo was just an extended highlights reel, it wasn't a movie.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Solo wasn't good. World building doesn't make a good movie. A good movie, first and foremost, needs to feel like an experience, not a summary of events. Solo utterly failed in this regard. All the dialogue was meant to tell the audience something. Nothing was set up in the first two acts with the movie rushing from "moment" to "moment" without he sort of meainingful development that would give these moments weight.

Solo felt like an experience to me. Isn't the purpose of dialogue to tell the audience things? What about Han needing to go back and get Qi'ra? Was that not set up in the first act?

And imo, worldbuilding, in a franchise as big as Star Wars, can't MAKE a good movie, but it certainly can get it closer to being one, and in this case, it did.



All the characters have realistic motivations, actions to achieve their goals, and good dialogue/acting which shows what type of person they are. How else do you act like real people?



Rogue One had lifeless acting, and terrible dilevery? Well, then I must disagree with your definition of the words "lifeless" and "terrible"!

No. The purpose of dialogue is to have the character act in a way from which the movie watcher can infer info. Dialogue has to be natural, otherwise the character soeaking is no longer a character, but an exposition device. If a character is an exposition device, we have no reason to care what happens to them.

In the first two acts of solo, almost all the dialogue is exposition that you wouldn't otherwise expect of the characters to say. Solo sees his bae in the opening of th emovie but instead of a typical greeting or comment, Solo explicitly tells her
-> that they wanna get off world
-> he now has what they need to get off world
-> that they're doing jobs for a crime gang

This isn't what people would realistically say in this situation. And they certainly wouldn't say all this with a couple lines of dialogue.

We get another example of this in the campfire scene where, the mercs, having just met solo, start giving him explicit advice on love before kissing each other. This si constantly reinforced throughout the movie with different characters explicitly pointing out he likes her multiple times. At the firecamp, the son to die woman, randomly assumes the reason he needs to go back is a woman, when again, there's no reason for the character to think that based on what solo's actions.

We see this again with the characters constantly keep saying "you're good solo". Again, that's not legit characterization. Characterization is base don actions, not other characters going out of their way to tell the audience something.

Again, lazy storytelling.


Good stories let us see what the character experiences without trying to shove a message or info down our throat. Solo does the opposite.

This is actually a perfect example of what's wrong with this movie. As Solo sees her being taken away, he yells "I'LL COME BACK FOR YOU!" rather than something a human would realistically like, "NOOO!"

Then, Solo tells other characters, multiple times, "I HAVE TO GO BACK TO MY HOME PLANET FOR A GIRL!".

That's lazy storytelling and doesn't actually justify Solo's need to go back. It would be one thing if we saw Solo and his girl naturally and warmly communicating. We might give a **** if the movie ever bothered to characterize her in some sort of manner in it's first act. But that's not what happened. Solo kisses her once, telling us she likes her, and then they run away. There's no reason to find these characters or their relationship compelling, because the movie hasn't given us a reason to care. If you don't have a reason to care, then the "big moments", like the girl being on the plane solo was on, have no weight and our hence pointless.

Solo uses all it's dialogue to tell us we should care about something, and then doing something "dramatic" regarding what we are told to care about. That's what ads do, not what stories do.


The what is not important, it's the how. Actual people don't explicitly dump out all their goals and all the info people need to understand their character arc. A good story shows us what their goals and motivations are by having the characters act like who they are.

A character arc can start at a and end at b, but if you're not gonna show us how a gets to b and leave us with "he was at a, but now he's at b", that's lazy writing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You have a weird fetish, kid.

Changing the topic, Cuckchi? Disappointing.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
No. The purpose of dialogue is to have the character act in a way from which the movie watcher can infer info.

I don't know, felt pretty natural to me. Yeah, there was obvious plot reasons why the characters said what they said, but it's too easy to think "it's because plot" if you think of the film as a film. But I can see why you'd have a problem with that.



I'll admit, I wasn't a big fan of that, either, but I don't think that was meant to be just be characterization. Solo's view of himself and the world was being brought into question so that some necessary development could happen. And when Qi'ra said "you're the good guy", it was her understanding parts of him that he didn't understand and also representing her influence on his mindset.



It's strange to me that you pick this piece of dialogue, because to me, this was one of the more natural exposition moments. He did yell "no" at first, but he wanted her to know he wasn't going to leave her behind. Him doing that makes perfect sense.



I mean, sometimes, he loves her is enough of a reason to care. And then there's the completion principle side of things.



Point taken, I guess. It didn't bother me that much but I get why it bothers you.

Originally posted by CuckedCurry
Changing the topic, Cuckchi? Disappointing. You conceded already.